asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read the ClF3 link again, notice that it is used in si fab solely for cleaning tools.
decimation: re: petraeus < I said they would never prosecute, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not
BingoBoingo: decimation: Of course it is, but... semiconductor lithography... In the neighbor's shed!
BingoBoingo: And the only thing about Javascript that matters is >> http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm#AEN562
BingoBoingo: But M$ in particular hit the same issues that sent Apple away "Red Ring of Death"
BingoBoingo: Then again the PowerPC console generation came as Apple left the architecture and IBM wanted anyone else to jsutify its continued work there
Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amazing the damage a single decade does
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And the previous generation PowerPC. Pure Apple style trechery.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: notice how the remaining consoles are lightly-modified x86 boxes internally ?
assbot: Canadian Securities Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELp1Ec )
nubbins`: pete_dushenski re: quadriga going public, here's the exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Securities_Exchange
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
gabriel_laddel: as for the original PSP, 76.3 million sales (as of March 31, 2012)
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: I’ve split the accounting logic from the webapp so that it’s just a python package. Cleaner and decrufted. Getting close to a stable-enough version to write up documentation
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 08:58:24; mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard anything new on your end these days ? any accounting software updates ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform i'm guessing after the fact.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may have to watch again less drunk, but I believe Poitras was behind the camera most of the time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club; think about hassling beria in that manner << to be fair, p. was no longer heading anything when he was 'flushed'.
asciilifeform: or was it idiot after-the-fact mock-up
Pierre_Rochard: not necessarily the same entity but in practice yes
pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation
pete_dushenski: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19465/breaking-canadian-exchange-quadrigacx-become-worlds-first-publicly-traded-bitcoin-exchange/ << i met the owner of this thing last year, gerald
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard they plow, sweep, etc. plus i have blizzak winter tires
pete_dushenski: lol it's rock solid in the winter
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: hello! how’s the new ride been treating you?
pete_dushenski: guy on twitter, lemme find the link
cazalla: no offense PeterL but scoopbot is the worst bot evar
NewLiberty: "free project management support" = they'll spend your money for you and won't charge more than the money that they spend for you?
mircea_popescu: lobbes ideally, colocate. but otherwise, sure, get a dedi, if they start discussing what you run on it tell them to get lost./
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:48:15; NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039918 << i dun think the guy's much online anymore.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: it's like the nsa. a corpse.
mircea_popescu: so, logically speaking, if the cia were anything like a secret service, we'd know who exactly is^H^H was the lizzard hitler by grepping sudden deaths for warfarin.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off.
ascii_field: kryuchkov had nobody either
mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club.
ascii_field: the very concept that software could actually work in the sense in which other engineered objects work, is nearly forgotten
mircea_popescu: entirely besides the point.
mircea_popescu: the " cost of replacing naggums" way.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing all the castrato "experts" with "degrees" fail to grasp. it doesn't matter what "reality" is, may be thought to be, could be inferred etc.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it doesn't count unless it's on the pointed end of a stick.
ascii_field: and much higher than would've cost otherwise.
ascii_field: the cost of replacing naggums with 'code monkeys' to prevent the guild will be paid for 1000 years.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ancient article on trilema, back in romanian decade, "half of the revenue or gtfo".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039838 << interesting'd not be the word i use.
ascii_field: interestingly, he understood the fact, the how, and the why - actually studied, at one point before he gave up, to become a lawyer (in no.)
ascii_field: (programmers blew their chance to establish a guild long, long ago)
ascii_field: folks who are in one of the traditionally recognized guilds - possibly
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 18:38:25; *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 16:25:01; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 15:33:29; fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30
mircea_popescu: they're great at wearing coats and hiding in hallways.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039772 << this reminds me of the s.dice / s.mpoe duel of yore.
ascii_field: their magical wand of 'let's all the folks who Know How The World Works (TM) pretend this Never Existed' still works great.
assbot: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgaO7 )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ << grep for "further update" in the same line.
mircea_popescu: the current foundation is an embarassing shell, nothing but obligaitons for them so they're trying to shed it.
ascii_field: if anyone actually gives a fuck about these, cache'em - archive.org can and has been prevailed upon to do the 'polite society' thing before
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the bit of history they're trying to purge is that vessennes was the head and treasurer of the thing, in total outrageous breach of common practice, and he got all the early bitcoin donated to it in his own name and used it for his own purposes.
ascii_field: because 9 out of 10 times it only existed on the original author's machine
ascii_field: because the info re: what combination of p,q,r,s,t...that add up to a working z is lost to the sands of time
mod6: it used to be that everyone built from the source. yah, now most people just rely on their package system
ascii_field: and everybody else just chumps along using the binary pkg
ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
ascii_field: it's built as part of the thing
ascii_field: is there -any- worthwhile piece of software entirely unafflicted by this retardation ?
thestringpuller: at the end (it's trailing)
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: typo strip the " mark
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: added
ascii_field: and likewise the spiffy editor, 'gps
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell lobbes 1) Yes, provided we make sure we have the right keyfinderprint to attribute work to. 2) Hard to say unless you write it up and see what comes out of it.
mod6: anyway, no worries. thanks for the write up.
mod6: np. i just want people to get from your article that we're focused on publishing the release as soon as possible. hopefully this month.
thestringpuller: Cause the address is very well detailed.
thestringpuller: I was just trying to highlight the big wins without pulling too much away from the address itself. Cause I'd rather people go the address for more information.
thestringpuller: (wasn't the spotlight)
thestringpuller: ah a tad confusing. release milestone wasn't highlighted so I trimmed it out of the article :P
mod6: Eh, well, it's what was meant by the Regression Testing section :]
thestringpuller: but that relates to the OpenBSD patch
thestringpuller: except at the end with the implied "Work is halting on this for now as the main focus will be the v0.5.3.1 milestone release. Stay tuned for more on this.
thestringpuller: mod6: yea the milestone release isn't mentioned in section 0x3
mod6: thestringpuller: Maybe the Address wasn't clear enough, but the main goal for March is to publish the milestone release. We have some regression testing ahead of us though.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/highlights-from-february-2015s-state-of-bitcoin/
ascii_field: jurov: i don't think i will ever -enjoy- ada. but the more one studies it, the less escapable is the conclusion that 1) it is a necessary thing 2) for which there is, at present, no credible alternative whatsoever
vhost-: then you don't have to maintain your friend's services
vhost-: mike_c: thanks! I plan on swapping out redis pub/sub for zeromq so I can add authentication. basically you can run an IRC bot for a community, then your friends give you a public key that allows them to connect to the pub/sub.
assbot: Awesome new scripting functionality for Bitcoin: Violations of the first sale doctrine http://t.co/p4mN7tw6md
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: you left out key detail in petraeus article - the 'black books' were the man's own notebooks
trinque: so uh, how does a brother get in assbot's L1
NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
kakobrekla: vhost- drop the spaces
trinque: yar, I think it takes the fingerprint
trinque: vhost- is a friend of mine who wrote the bot deedbot- is based upon
lobbes: er page 4, rather
assbot: Shocking interview! - In the mind of an altcoin developer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGBLYf )
lobbes: edis changed its TOS to ban IRC bouncers and "BitCoin" activities; I am in the market for a new vps provider
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: My impression is that once one assents to the role of directing and agency, they are forced to become insulated from actual charge over their subordinates to prevent 'antihills'
ascii_field: lol, most of the lawbreaking seems to involve... the man keeping his own notebooks after retirement
adlai: it seems to be a stylistic choice, everything in the basis is past tense
adlai: you mean section 10 of the factual basis?
ascii_field: in the petraeus document
adlai: if you look at the officers that defected from assad's army together with their troops, higher ranks are increasingly rare
adlai isn't sure how much ability somebody so high has to call the _men_ to arms
ascii_field: neither judge, nor prosecutor, nor any of the various 'preets' involved thought about anthills
adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
adlai: guy's not heard of the waterfall?
chetty: <jurov> strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy// strip miners ..also know as gubermint
jurov: strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?
fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30
jurov: ikr, the database is supposed to index the blockchain so that getting transaction history for a wallet does not require to scan gigabytes of data
jurov: 🚽 🚾 wtf there are two? i'd say one is supposed to have lid open and other one closed, but that's not what standard says
jurov: ethereum server has become incredible hog...trying to run it on same hardware than some years ago, it's now impossible to sync
jurov: spill the beans, nao!
mike_c: not that i am masterminding the conspiracy
jurov: isn't d.cbse the highest share price?
cazalla: so when did vessenes become involved in the foundation, from what i'm reading, it was gavin that floated and promoted the idea of it back in october 2011 (piecing together some history as suggested by.. who, i forget)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "what the consumer has come to expect" and related delusions, http://33.media.tumblr.com/ec04311fc14329e1162bffca1aa5b58c/tumblr_nbtmv2PZqK1segoz0o1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands.
mircea_popescu: e money has to go somewhere, and its not going to go to the providers of capital because the providers of capital to professional services companies have no negotiating leverage."
mircea_popescu: "If you think bankers make too much money, focusing on how much they are paid will get you nowhere. If they are not paid 50% of firm revenue, they will go to another bank that will pay them that much. If no bank will pay them that much, they will go start a new bank. If that sort of compensation is outlawed at any bank present or future, they will start a bank where they are the equity owners and get paid that much. Th
mircea_popescu: "When reading, keep in mind that I have so many conflicts of interest that I have conflicts in places where other people dont even have interests."
mircea_popescu: oh gawd, the 80s, time of bad hair, bad clothes and people who thought stapler discounters are a hot vc idea.
mircea_popescu: "One of the hottest venture capital investment ideasbankrolling office-supply discount chainsis starting to sour. In the past two years, investors poured nearly $200 million into at least 16 office-supply supermarket chains. But today, the flood of entrants threatens a market-share war, and the result may be hard times."
mircea_popescu: of the population.
mircea_popescu: a theoretical knowledge osama experimentally verified.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, best sort of equity there is.
ben_vulpes: i don't know, man! it's one fifteen in the morning and i'm tearing my hair out over how to plan for just the next decade.
ben_vulpes: "fuck everything that happens, i'm in the wot."
ben_vulpes: hm, mebbe that's the attitude.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> dude, i have nfi << me neither, i'm just a millwright trying to not starve this decade.
ben_vulpes: it's *gotta* have another 5 years left in it.
ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards the fiatbezzle right now.
ben_vulpes: and there's this impossible time horizon estimation problem that the "end of civilization" brings with it.
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-assets, by the way, has made investing *harder* for me, not *easier*.
mircea_popescu: currently, that all the same means equally bad.
mircea_popescu: cash has this advantage, that it's all the same.
ben_vulpes: so here's the thing about shartups:
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally what makes people chase college degrees instead of being plumbers ; and the impulse that makes people quit their job and take up gambling after a neighbour strikes the powerball.,
ben_vulpes: 99% of that is likely attributable to simply how much longer they've been doing it for.
ben_vulpes: i can think of fifteen utterly moronic doodz doing running precisely the same hustle and making vastly more money at it.
ben_vulpes: here's the thing that makes me discount my own equity though:
mircea_popescu: hence my comment about "redoing mpex". the proposition that any two things are the same thing has serious problems in the marketplace.
mircea_popescu: you do, yes. " except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc"
mircea_popescu: that reason having a lot to do with the equity of your position, which you don't account for.
ben_vulpes: on the other hand, during those thing months, the "bankers" walk with hours*rate, and i lose money.
ben_vulpes: the linked article on one hand doesn't make a terrific amount of sense to me because for whatever reason (perhaps i'm a particularly well-doing con man), i can sell into the buy side of "professional services" at rates that my "bankers" can't touch on their own.
mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
ben_vulpes: instead, i coordinate work of the type i could perform on my own. that work costs me, let's say .8B. i bill at ~1.8. on volume, my take home is ~1.5B/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk, 50wks/yr. salary equality assumptions, etc.).
ben_vulpes: perhaps the dillema isn't so clear to me, likely due to symbolic confusion.
mircea_popescu: this should readily resolve the apparent dilemma : if i do in fact have equity in your firm, it means i did something useful.
cazalla: Vexual, no idea, some people are pinning the theft on friedcat and provided a supposed chinese police report but turned out it was a .. random birth certificate
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the article does the valuable service of reminind people of volcker's potion. yes, interest rates WERE 20% in 81.
ben_vulpes: for tax reasons, i clock infinity hours, get paid exactly the same amount (for medicare/aid purposes) each month.
mircea_popescu: if THAT is what is meant by "equity" the speaker is a retard.
ben_vulpes: "the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits" << painfully true.
ben_vulpes: "when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital" << this is absolutely true, except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc.
ben_vulpes: but at the same time, because i'm not a nightmare to work with, i have a near-infinite sell wall of talent.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i'm insane or a particularly good scammer, but i can close deals that none of the programmers on staff could ever dream of. hilariously, because they're on staff.
ben_vulpes: the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits. This view, while not the standard economic view, has the advantage of being supported by reality. (It also accounts for why non-partner-owned professional services firms tend to conglomerate, but that’s another post.)”
ben_vulpes: I don’t believe payments to owners in professional services firms are the residual profits. And why should they be, when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital? In the implicit negotiation over distribution of revenue, the employees have all the bargaining power. The equity will be paid a fair return, but will not receive any structural
mircea_popescu: how it worked in romania of the 80s too.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dude on one hand i constantly bemoan this: 'oh if only i were just freelancing i'd be rolling in the dough'
cazalla: the new australian chinese mums have a good scheme going on.. their mothers come here from china to cook/clean etc for a year so new mum can take it easy, explains why all all the other mums look tired but this china doll looks as good as ever
Vexual: im on the same money as one year ago
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: anyways as a point of data, it's year 1.5ish of this insane enterprise, and i'm just now beginning to approach the salary of a "programmer" in my geographic region.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the man is complaining about tin women ffs
cazalla: missed a , there
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol nothing i say here would surprise the missus sharing pics of her friends would be one step too far, even for me
Vexual: the lass is verily full
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/aa13ad927f6b26d190b1d5440478a721/tumblr_nc9kj7QjZj1tq8yp3o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: for the record, being chinese doesn't make them special. they get as much access as obama gets.
pete_dushenski: "In an interview with Reuters, Obama said he was concerned about Beijing's plans for a far-reaching counterterrorism law that would require technology firms to hand over encryption keys, the passcodes that help protect data, and install security "backdoors" in their systems to give Chinese authorities surveillance access." << 'but it worked for the us (tm)'
pete_dushenski: on the inside of a silvery wrapper
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "The money has to go somewhere" << this argument is also be based on 'the problem of too much money'
ben_vulpes has purged the scambuffer
pete_dushenski: when in fact that market is a result of too many and too perverse of regulations, not the result of a lack regulation
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 07:05:35; pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to my eye that article is about why the author doesn't like 'the market'
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:58:20; cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039455 << you can link her to source, so as to explain why you want em. im sure she'll love the logs :D
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: bankers being bad guys or not is really not part of the linked piece.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:56:08; gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo
assbot: Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnJ3oD )
ben_vulpes: i've read them, found them interesting and full of insight, but submit them for the forum for my own education.
assbot: Why Bankers Will Continue to Make Just as Much as They Used To | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIzyT )
assbot: How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GL3HgY )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/#comment-11997 << thread re: my unwarranted self-confidence as an investor
pete_dushenski: hmm, a theory developeth
pete_dushenski: or maybe it was around the same time
mircea_popescu: cazalla / bingoboingo : just in case you were wondering where the ftp server went, turns out cpanel decided to upgrade stuff on the 23rd, failed to get pureftpd upgraded correctly, decided it's no longer needed and nuked it.
pete_dushenski: "Pete, you should either give your money to a qualified money manager or go back to work." << kids and their ideas about success
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: analogous to "The fraud came as a surprise. He seemed like such a nice guy. I definitely didn't expect him to scam anyone."