decimation: asciilifeform: especially considering it had like 1% of the modern smartphone's cpu
adlai: why should you trust an internal part of the brain any more than the grey stuff? it's not like you have [consciously available] stimuli re: what's happening there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That high up on the brain, thing could lie. Gotta trust the lizard brain and little higher
asciilifeform thinks that if BingoBoingo is going to 'don't trust your brain' he needs to share the good dope first
adlai: ideally, something where i could hold the device with one hand, and do all tasks with a single finger... you can enter text quite fast using gesture typing, and a program-aware editor can do much much much better than the current keyboards because namespacing greatly narrows the likely lexemes
trinque: you'd sort of crawl along the grammar
adlai: like the romans ate?
asciilifeform: just an actual computer that can be used other than on a desk
BingoBoingo: At some point faced with the twin maws of conspiracy and poisons one must choose discomfort of some measure.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you did, imagine the warfain you'd need
adlai: though it irks me to no end that the song is not in fact seven minutes long
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My fascination stems from it being the first vagually *nixy thing I encountered.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has said this in the past, and it boggles my mind - what posixy gadget of any interest whatsoever builds on a/ux ?
decimation: eh, I rather have one of asciii's genera boxen
BingoBoingo: decimation: If you get the chance A/Ux is a pretty fun unix
decimation: without it you just have a rather useless desktop
decimation: yeah the suspend mode thing is really annoying
adlai: s2ram is just a fancy way of saying "leave the dustoff at the bureau, all you need is quick hands and an evidence bag"
asciilifeform: (e.g. the suspend mode thing)
asciilifeform: i've ran across folks who claim to have done it - but on close examination, it always turns out that they're living with some 'small' imperfection that i find utterly intolerable
asciilifeform: decimation: hence total lack of interest in attempting to put a civilized unixlike on these
adlai: random retardation of the day: trade history has no indication of whether an action took place on margin or was an asset exchange
decimation: but it was pointless because of the driver brokenness
decimation: I did manage to hack the efi bootloader into 'dual booting' gentoo once
adlai feels that survivors of https://www.bitfinex.com/account/api are likely to be shot again, by their own trigger
decimation: even macports is failing to keep updates going, because they were 32-bit
decimation: they run 10.6.8, and will forever I guess
asciilifeform: i shit thee not
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Are there any open spaces? the cheapest .22 LR rounds tend to be more satisfying. If you have a camera that can capture slow motion, especially avoid the copper plate ones
asciilifeform: they EOLed a '09 box, yes
asciilifeform: decimation: problem is that the later turds won't run on that box
decimation: asciilifeform: the devilish thing about apple 'upgrades' is that the old versions no longer exist
BingoBoingo: The lead on glass on lead pop is a satisfying noise
BingoBoingo: Born of the same reasoning that leads one to jack off inside a pussy in a .gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the direct effect of shitgnomism where 'the doctor healed the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> me to colleague: 'mac has to be good for... something?' him: 'take it to the range, it'll make good target' << 9" model and .22 LR makes a nice pop when phosphors are too faded
adlai: (not yet convinced that real numbers 'exist' outside of theory and approximations)
mircea_popescu: worst fucking idea ever. but it's so much like "progress", and "what the consumers should come to expect"
asciilifeform: me to colleague: 'mac has to be good for... something?' him: 'take it to the range, it'll make good target'
BingoBoingo: * adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes << Aleph progresses in cardenality up through ALeph sub aleph
asciilifeform: was to be the ada-in-bed machine
asciilifeform: 'The darwin x86_64 gnat crashes with "illegal instruction: 4" on my macbook pro / OS X 10.7.5 :-(Edit: I upgraded to OS X 10.8.3. Now gnat works...' -- from a forum comment. shitgnomism.
adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes
assbot: It's not the sauce, it's the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKl6TD )
mircea_popescu: and ima link http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ here because it's muy related.
mircea_popescu: true that this is the pedestrrian definition given in school
adlai is still trying to get over the amazement that there's the 'same number' of rationals and complexes
mircea_popescu: cast down the heretic adlai, he means to leaven our numbers!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Actual line from text you though worthy of offering a solution to: "Currently she was being referred to as the Sparkly Unicorn Princess of the Noble and Most Ancient House of Sparklypoo."
mircea_popescu: why not f(a,b) = 1 then
mircea_popescu: why are all these derps so adolescent ?
BingoBoingo: Are we sure the fanfic propaganda guy isn't a teen girl "As it turned out, nobody had worked out that her challenging Neville to a Most Ancient Duel meant that she liked him. She'd thought it would be obvious but no, nobody else had even thought of that apparently."
adlai: uncompressed ECDSA key = (x,y) on the curve; compressed = a single number that can have the coordinates extracted from it, because the lines described by the range of compressed keys each intersect the [top half of the] curve at one point
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of space in that pretty much.
adlai: eg, "compressed ECDSA key" is pretty much the same general idea as the proof that there are 'as many' rational numbers as integers
BingoBoingo: <adlai> slightly related, friend who worked one of those shit-selling carts in a canadian mall, hocking 'Dead Sea' products, got asked by a straight-faced mark: "isn't that where captain jack sparrow was from?" << At our local malls those were all hookers at the carts
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040368 << everything's a number, in the sense of , ennumerable.
decimation: it's hard to say, because who can divine the intent of usg?
BingoBoingo: adlai: Maybe the point is you can't know.
mircea_popescu: the common law has some categories. there's robbery, with violence. there's theft, without violence but with the knowledge of the victim. there's fraud, without the initial knowledge of the victim. there's embezzelment, where the victim isn't a person per se. and there's defalcation, which is merely negligent or reckless, rather than intentional.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Modern Israel is nothing more or less than the average middle west resident imagines gryffindor to be
adlai isn't sure whether BingoBoingo is talking about geopolitics, ideology, or some mix of them; and to what degree trolling/mockery is distinguishable from his own actual opinions/beliefs
decimation: perhaps 'theft' is more appropriate
decimation: 'theft of money lent'
BingoBoingo: adlai: You are kinda in the USian ideology testlab. sounds dangerous
adlai: BingoBoingo: i've lost track of the snowden's of yesteryear
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:22:22; decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary
mircea_popescu: they lay fucking eggs.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Snowden successfully contacted Poitras first. More than a year after attempting Greenwald the frist time. Not sure, but second snowden seemed to contact Greenwald while snowden1 in Moscow. Disappeared.
adlai wonders how much longer the business model of leak-digestion will survive, before leakers just... leak
decimation: snowden might have contacted wikileaks acting as a foil for the russian security services
BingoBoingo: decimation: I mean Petraeus was on track to be the next two term president following Obola based on his opposition to Obola which would have followed both without consequence
BingoBoingo: Snowden2 though contacted the wrong one of the set of journalists first and was quieted.
gabriel_laddel: Germane to the discussion of "humanity sucks", http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/crap.htm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more studies needed, this is the controversy, progress and change, all sortsa gunk.
asciilifeform: to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But you haven't even heard the loving narration.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i muchly doubt anyone ever fucked the poitras chick.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No greenwald loves the cock. Talking likely Snowden Poitras affair
mircea_popescu: the usg essentially consists of this : "instead of doing anything, why not sit on your ass and ruminate the future ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the two aren't distinct.
mircea_popescu: adlai all this "evangelist" bs. they should just hire linda for an evening's outcall and stfu already.
asciilifeform: i see them as fellating usg actively, plain and simple
adlai: the state of "digital signatures" in the fiat world is quite sad... if anybody wants a sad laugh, https://boards.greenhouse.io/hellosign/jobs/5726
BingoBoingo: decimation: May also be infered from film that he prolly fucked the Poitras chick to here positive reception
asciilifeform: greenwald is the same animal as every other creature who 1) had a copy of The Goods + 2) sat and continues to sit on it
adlai mourns the pun's sad lonely death
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe have one of the more socially perceptive girls screen the citizenfour thing to see if it is worthy of your eyes. Nothing about it suggest weakening opsec in the slightest. Just do they get the same Greenwald was the snitch vibe that I did.
adlai: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2014-September/022803.html < tlsnotary overview by the author, conveys details better than a tl;dr
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think the idiocy of a bureaucrat is remarkable to any degree ?
asciilifeform: that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp'
asciilifeform: anyway, you lot missed the only remarkable fact about this tale
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha they took reop as is... Even with the part where it only exists as a "go" turd
BingoBoingo: decimation: Snowden is still you enough for an Anerican to be angry about his circumstances of origin. Provided the documentary interviews actually involved him he seemed personally slighted that his HK room hotel phone listened.
adlai: tlsnotary [purports to let you]*, (but they seem to know what they're doing, as far as i can tell)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, today at $censored_firm we were suddenly excited to learn that a very, very costly $censored_guild_professional will accept a document via 'pgp'... only to learn that he was speaking of a 100%-proprietary turdware
adlai: tlsnotary lets you turn any bank with functional online services into the fiat side of a wot-based exchange
mircea_popescu: can you explain the difference ?
gabriel_laddel: adlai: No, but looking at the website.... why do you mention it?
decimation: ah sorry, ^ one thing that bothers me about snowden
mircea_popescu: the correct solution probably is to simply put someone in charge, and have them answer with their head.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:47:14; Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040271 << tbh, i suspect there are fundamental problems that prevent functional implementations of this segregation in functional currencies. you're essentially stuck choosing : either fiat currency and imaginary "segregation" (of definitionally worthless "money") or else strong currency and no segregation.
BingoBoingo amazed building python2.7.8 from ports much less pain than building sbcl whatever the available was.
gabriel_laddel: adlai: apparently the text editor rocks
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "xerox" is still how you say copier machine / to copy paper by machine in most of the world.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I watched citizenfour at my drunk and most socially aware BAC. They talked about the shortlived Snowden2.0 in Russia. His opsec failure was making any contact with Greenhole.
mircea_popescu: but ibm did succeed, making computers = their micros.
asciilifeform: adlai: who the fuck needs regex when you have set-macro-character ( http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm ) and brain
mircea_popescu: they had a chance at making games = consoles, prior to 94
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "dead" in the sense of, "not what gaming is"
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics"
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:26:15; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040238 << it's never the case that you can find one of these "things that be" (as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-03-2015#1038150 ) that doesn't have a mole ready to go wherever.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: with respect to the claim that console gaming is 'dead' - yes.
asciilifeform: in fact, it requires program to behave in exactly the same way on any platform, if using only what is contained in the standard
asciilifeform: if asking about ada, the standard requires platform-independent 100% usable threading
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the one built into gcc yet?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040220 << beria is the better comparison point.
gabriel_laddel: interestingly, the common lisp standard doesn't contain regular expressions. Why? Because they're unnecessary when you don't ever have to parse input.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha fawks was evil. << The phoenix, no. Chaotic neutral
BingoBoingo: adlai: A number of technologies produce by a factor of ten more probems than they solve, why would regex be so bad. Not like it is python...
asciilifeform: for instance, the console was really a powerful computer in its own right (contained video rendered and sound card) and could be separated from the (very loud!) machine by, iirc, 200 metres!
asciilifeform: lispm gives an interesting feeling straight away - of computer that cost what a business airplane cost, and intended to maximize the thinking power of an economically-important thinking person
asciilifeform: there was another, later white kbd, which i have, with entirely different internals - but protocol-compatible with the old scanned-matrix one pictured here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were people inquiring about qntra submisisons on the firstness of that, but when pressed to source... saw necessary hedges unnews'd it
adlai: you used a regular keyboard with the lispm?
asciilifeform: (not available commercially. i reversed the keyboard, then some german fella made adapter)
asciilifeform: adlai: though if you want a '100% authentic' experience with the emulator, you'll need a symbolics keyboard and an adapter
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:10:36; pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040208 << it's only like the... 5th or so to falsely claim firstness on that score.
asciilifeform: adlai: for just about everything else, the emulator
asciilifeform: adlai: for satisfying curiosity about what it actually felt like in the period
BingoBoingo: One of these days, would love to use as main online computter http://webspace.webring.com/people/a7/717171/Blacky.html
adlai: asciilifeform: what's the lispm good for these days? i'm intrigued by them but (as you yourself have said) software sim is much more practical these days
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040184 << obviously, their ada wasn't tested.
asciilifeform: as in, every single one of the executables.
asciilifeform: speaking of the ada foundation, i randomly tested their mac port ( http://mirrors.cdn.adacore.com/art/ee55f5eb79cb118552c03fc83fa2d5c1580f5353 ) and it only segfaults.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: software that kills < http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319903 < the toyota thing was discussed here in the past
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's an implementation of cifs, which is the standard windows network filesystem
asciilifeform: ^ don't keep windblows box in the house. then no need for 'samba' and the associated idiocies
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you insist on the ada foundation's bleeding edge thing - that's another matter that i can't help with
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go"
asciilifeform: which ought to work on others
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a set of ports for 'dragonfly bsd'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC
asciilifeform: ada's the only game in town for this not-uncommon set of constraints
decimation: "no, I want the writef() that does the stuff, not the writef() that displays singing monkeys"
decimation: asciilifeform: well, this is a general problem in C programming - the failure to provide a global namespace
asciilifeform: (yes, let's call things by their true names - sabotage)
asciilifeform: decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library.
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages.
asciilifeform: decimation: but i didn't create the universe in question, nobody asked me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'widely' is mostly uni students
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but didn't you once say that package management can only be properly done at the language level?
mircea_popescu: what's widely, 50 actual usecases which all depend on the same three contractors ?
asciilifeform: decimation: subject of thread was yet another case of gizmo that won't build on account of 'obsolete' things having been removed from something
adlai: fwiw, 'private language' has served organisms rather well for countless generations, we've only been toying with information hiding for an instant in comparison
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform overheard right now "o yeah ? well the gentoo manual was down for likle... 3 days. i don't think this is a good sign"
decimation: asciilifeform: how can you 'do' package management without keeping track of the symbols
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obscure fucking sides of an obscure place << widely used gizmo. but apparently everybody but me just takes the binary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf it's supposed to be << it's precisely what it looks like to the unarmed eye: a perfectly good symbol that a shitgnome whose arsehole pines for the stake decided to zap to boost his feeling of relevance and be '1337 contributor'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. << Is any truly dark art otherwise? When you surrender the truth of mathematics to language?
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of a "deprecated symbol" boggles my mind.,
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mircea_popescu: and i have some practical experience wiht the issue.
nubbins`: ^ me from the future
BingoBoingo: If anyone has a time machine to lend I have all kinds of trans cholonolgical arbitrage opportunities that can enrish you provided you give me exactly one whole minute longer than it takes to start the machine alone with it.
BingoBoingo: IN the very worst case and RSA fails at least private languages aren't too bad compared to DES, provided the grammar and semantics are unique
BingoBoingo: 70's and 90's RSA is the strong stuff
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Even with GPG not everything is RSA. Some people are stupid and use version 2-ish though it lacks backwards compatibility or they use 80's fail crypto which breaks easily.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron in the rsa scheme
adlai: ok, so the confusion was on my end :)
mircea_popescu: looking in the logs, apparently alf created a new word nao, "portatronic"
adlai: not really, there's just a single prime in bitcoin crypto, and there's no need to factor anything
trinque: +BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. << my world ends whether "the" world ends or not
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They keep getting voiced, bumped to guest*** and rejoining
mircea_popescu: roseebit are you in the wot ?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. Tis the extraordinarily rare prophet of doom who gets to see the doom while living. Jeremiah didn't
trinque: I could see myself in the past saying "well, if this 'authority' is not godly, they're no real authority"
trinque: danielpbarron: the passivity in romans 13 is the kind of thing I rejected on the way out of the church
BingoBoingo: Depends on how good their time machine is
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I'd need to know if they have a time machine or not.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Could even the good doktor mark such a large keyspace as RSA as his numebers?
decimation: who exactly is to be the object of your submission? the law as written? or as interpreted by bureaucrats? or as voted by your neighbor?
trinque: danielpbarron: I enjoy thinking of the usgov as the whore, though I've heard people argue thats the catholic church
trinque: danielpbarron: heh I could project the beast's key and my key onto that too
decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary
BingoBoingo: decimation: And I did not write the woodchipper fanfic. Merely found it searching for tales of awesome machines.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Had the virtue of being short. At least blood has a lubricant quality all its own.
trinque: right-o, it's a sort of techno-atheist christianity
decimation: trinque: as a Christian I find their statements abhorrent
BingoBoingo still only on chapter 66 and closing chapters, which ought to be expected as I'm from a town with "auf wiedersehen" on the signs at its borders
decimation: “There is light in the world, and it is us!" Eliezer Yudkowsky, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality << "We are the ones we've been waiting for" Obama
BingoBoingo: Oh, the Harry Potter thing updated with two new chapters and still isn't over yet.
decimation: at any rate, I suspect the whole petraeus affair is merely designed to pour encourager les autres while simultaneously dinging a potential political rival
BingoBoingo: decimation: Hasn't been sentenced yet. Anyways UCMJ provides for the occasional death penalty
decimation: I don't get how that is even in the same ballpark
BingoBoingo: decimation: Higher you go the more UCMJ hit if it is applied
BingoBoingo: decimation: But UMCJ would have applied. Part of the way to defanging nation.
decimation: BingoBoingo: yes, but under the ucmj
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these only get 'clintonized' if someone wills it to happen
decimation: agents took nearly all of her personal papers and 'decided' which ones were actually classified at their own discretion
BingoBoingo: decimation: The thing is he took the post as an active duty officer and the affair itself presented another potentially chargeable crime.
asciilifeform: decimation: how many usg employees that were once dealing in official secrets would come up entirely clean if their belongings were searched ? as in, not even a 'post-it note'
decimation: of course nearly everyone in washington is guilty of exactly the same crimes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cutting out completely looks rather like this: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg
asciilifeform: no one was in a great hurry to buy - but there were designs
asciilifeform: it is interesting to compare, in this respect, the semiconductor industry to... nuclear one
BingoBoingo: decimation: Basically it seems the objective of the scandal was to keep him out of national politics. Mission accomplished as it rarely is.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but cleaning after the fact is the next best thing to starting from a clean workspace