asciilifeform: even 'elite' pistolero has wrists, they aren't made of stone
asciilifeform: why not at least give it a wooden folding stock like the old 'mauser'
mircea_popescu: it is just about at the tolerance level of a physically elite man.
asciilifeform: sorta reminiscent of the late-medieval 'hand cannone'
asciilifeform: the .5 pistol is considered a 'crackpot' curio in usa
asciilifeform: where, at the airfield ?
mircea_popescu: but the ap variant cuts through any practical armor, and generally can be used against lightly armored aircraft as well.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the thing is just on the margin : the common "action express" .5 round is generally stopped by a level 3 and always by a level 4 vest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bmg is a machine gun round not a pistol round
mircea_popescu: apparently the de .5 ap, explosive, incendiary etc rounds are secret on internet.en ?
asciilifeform: (the one found worldwide, actually used in everything from light aircraft to sniper)
asciilifeform: rather than what is called .50 bmg in usa
mircea_popescu: except the thing pictured is not a proper ap round.
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg/275px-50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg there.
asciilifeform: iirc most of the famous stockpile is '.40', a caliber unpopular outside of usg afaik
mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of smokers.
mircea_popescu: why ? they banned smoking alright
mircea_popescu: usg survival plan once shtf ? "well...we got the largest stores of ammo of anyone...so..."
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone put together the "usg will target ammunition rather than small arms" with the "various agencies bought and stored millions of rounds at the beginning of this decade" to come to a "usg will ban ammunition period" thing yet ?
asciilifeform: then unadulterated idiocy
mircea_popescu: they specifically said bitcoin tho
asciilifeform: (they typically do nowadays)
asciilifeform: also - until we hear otherwise - safe to assume that it was mining a crackpot alt
mike_c: it'll be interesting to see it after another couple 10x bumps
mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, the demographic that supposedly "doesn'ty exist" and "doesn't matter" and "never wins elections" and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: (in fact it's mostly white with more asian than "normal", which considering the normal is gawker-and-wikipedia dumbternets... )
cazalla: what's behind the push for such things?
mircea_popescu: the demographics of qntra readership as depicted by quantcast never cease to amaze me.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044250 << holy shit this is the stupidest thing ever. srsly, cpu mining ?
mircea_popescu: right. the tlp described phenomenon of "oh, this class of medicine is now generic ? guess what, on a review of the data available it turns out it wasn't effective anyway, so we're using Y now instead".
asciilifeform: they're permitted industry, just under very... different terms
asciilifeform: there is always some joker standing ready to take over from whatever widget is up for the ban hammer
mircea_popescu: anyway, to imagine the "ban smoking" thing is an isolated incident is naive. no, there's a shitton of these underway, continuously, and generally unreported.
asciilifeform not diligent scholar of the subject
asciilifeform: what did they decree? NiMH?
asciilifeform: pretty much the only remaining use permitted worldwide is battery
mircea_popescu: then they run for 4 years and have to replace the batteries, and run for another 2 and there's a lightning strike and have to replace them again. tru story.
mircea_popescu: some of the cleverer dcs use them bnecause they're so very tolerant. which makes it the best heuristic to evaluate the operational wisdom of any dc.
asciilifeform: same story as the rest of technocivilization
mircea_popescu: people generally went for the "cheaper" solutions that rarely last 5 years
asciilifeform: wonder what they charge.
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mircea_popescu: cazalla hardest thing for a fraudster is to keep the story straight.
mircea_popescu: and the human civilisation is organised around the implicit currency of "Stored joules"
cazalla: related to running out of something.. techcrunch reports yesterday's bitcoin auction was the last of dpr's coins.. bloomberg quote usms as saying otherwise
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not to mention the earth is about 80% nickel and iron by mass.
asciilifeform: iirc there are 100+ year old examples which still function as rated!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, S.CARS would be pretty cool. a company that a) aspires atmospheric H2, b) fuses it into Li c) which it uses to make car batteries while d) the energy so produced it uses to make the cars and fill them up.
asciilifeform: the (very old!) nickel-iron battery is superior to Li (and all other extant chemistries) in all respects but energy density
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know how, then yes!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if you're gonna fuck, might as well make the chick you're fucking in the same go" ?
asciilifeform: if gonna fuse H to get it, may as well do it right in the car...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, practically, the peak oil thing is a lot less interesting now that electric cars have been demonstrated than 20 years ago. (dunno if you know, but this has been a fringe theory for > 50, almost 100 years by now)
mircea_popescu: you can't run out of carbon, ie, the element. but you can run out of, say, sugar. venus is a fine example.
mircea_popescu: but once the saudi flood is done, imo that's it, oil will only ever be expensive.
asciilifeform: no mineral 'runs out' like the air in a diver's tank
mircea_popescu: cazalla this decade is out of the question.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, whether you care or not would be influenced if you are to run out tomorrow or 100-200 years from now though
mircea_popescu: for that matter... it turns out there's not enough rare earths on earth to make an ipad for each person alive.
asciilifeform: cazalla: it is worth your while to become acquainted with the actual theory (vs the popular disinfo presentation of it) - rather than 'running out of oil', considerably more complicated (approximately, running out of -economical- oil)
cazalla: asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs
mircea_popescu: janyary my foot! omg! I GOT BUGS! THEY'RE MULTYPLYYNG
asciilifeform: (assuming one does not partake in the braindamage of using a node as a wallet)
asciilifeform: there is some conflation of unrelated things here
airgapped: I have been loking for minimal node for some time but there is no good option it seems
asciilifeform: and if you went to school and they didn't teach why this is, go and get your money back
asciilifeform: doesn't even matter if the radio is switched on
asciilifeform: jurov: just built to get us in the rape pens quicker.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 21:52:21; asciilifeform: 'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2014 22:42:52; asciilifeform: re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'raspberry pi' << terrible machine for the money, plus long history of disinformation and hype bordering on outright fraud: >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540882 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988359 etc
airgapped: the only option is airgapped machine and nothing beyod
asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ?
asciilifeform: rather than an object that -categorically- does not exist, like a box inside which 1 == 2.
asciilifeform: airgapped: you still appear to be talking about it as something that could exist in essentially the same form pushed by scammers
asciilifeform: if somebody walks in and 'i drop screaming nuns out of helicopters for their insurance money' there'd better be a good story at least.
asciilifeform: or 'free energy machine' as they tend to be called now
asciilifeform: if you are neither of these things, it is still useful to know who is one of these two things.
asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer.
pete_dushenski: so the more specific the task of the chip, as is moreso the case with arm then general-purpose cpu, the easier it is to attack
asciilifeform: to make long story short (i am quite uncertain that making it longer will improve the understanding of anyone who does not already grasp the above) -
asciilifeform: then the question of what changes he ought to slip into the masks at the fab becomes absolutely trivial
asciilifeform: if i'm buying 'fpga', and he doesn't have the exact bitstream, he's more or less shit out of luck
asciilifeform: if i'm buying a general-purpose cpu, and he does not have a precise bitwise knowledge of what i intend to run on it, his options are rather limited
asciilifeform: say the enemy is baking custom silicon -just to slip into my supply lines-
asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate
asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling.
asciilifeform: if you own electron microscope and have a couple of years free, and wish to do nothing else - then yes, possibly verifiable.
asciilifeform: if 'secure' but not user-verifiable, the only people against whom it attempts security is: you. the owner.
kakobrekla: its there
kakobrekla: at this stage they wont check vms as they are pretending to check if device is real device or real bomb only.
jurov: but really, do they routinely rummage through photos and documents? and when i have virtualbox on desktop, will they ask me to fire all the vms, too?
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:30:18; mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it.
pete_dushenski: or other 2.0 thing
pete_dushenski: is there such a thing as 'secure' arm ?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpois << alf proclaimed it as depending on binary turd (that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable), thus unworthy
pete_dushenski: airgapped so are you working in the field currently ? or is this more of a hobby of yours ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: Working on the pogo thing.
assbot: Signing a shoe is the same as signing the papers. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg9mKe )
pete_dushenski: purim scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/06/signing-a-shoe-is-the-same-as-signing-the-papers/
airgapped: should do the same with assbot?
mircea_popescu: if you were in gribble pre 2015, you were imported. otherwise, gotta reg your key with assbot.
mircea_popescu: <airgapped> I'm in the wot < since when ?
airgapped: I'm in the wot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo enjoy :) i didn't end up drinking last night so no issues there
airgapped: danielpbarron: nice, mised it in the logs
mircea_popescu: airgapped you should prolly get in the wot while at it.
mircea_popescu: the pi is currently being worked on as a first example of a fully fits in head machine.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron more a case of "there's all these people who got pis because excitement, now have nothing to use them for", i thought,
trinque: mystery binary blob drivers are required to run the thing
mircea_popescu: i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpoise, but it's in teh logs.
sjsqd: but I do find this channel and the websites/sources surrounding it interesting
mircea_popescu: sjsqd also, get in the wot.
sjsqd: I'm pretty sure I tried another figure but yes you're correct it works now
mircea_popescu: if however you explicitly specify the default...
mircea_popescu: if you fill in with something other than 10k or with nothing at all it works.
sjsqd: I tried a few different options on my computer but got the same result
mircea_popescu: $ curl -IL http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/trilema_credits.php | more
mircea_popescu: also, make sure you typed the email address correctly.
sjsqd: the page that shows as being blank = http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/trilema_credits.php
sjsqd: otherwise still also trying to read through 6 months of IRC logs haha
mircea_popescu: but even admitting this were done correctly, the problem still remains of what txn the client should order broadcast.
asciilifeform: that is, the extant wallet&node combo kitchen-toilet is pure lunacy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: though i still insist that 'red' cryptomaterial should not touch the networked box
asciilifeform: (see the numerous old 'exit tax' threads here and elsewhere)
asciilifeform: trinque: i'll be the last to disagree that it's still possible, today, to squeeze out a 'living' doing something in usa. question is how long it will remain true, for one's particular profession, for particular locale (do you like drilling for oil?), etc
trinque: plenty of retards out there owning strip clubs, parking garages, snow plow companies
trinque: ehhh, you can still start businesses in the US
asciilifeform: trinque: if you don't understand that this costs ~$trillion and requires a sovereign country in your pocket, you have not thought the matter through.
trinque: point being that no matter what's going on in the world at large, there are products to sell
trinque: for example if there was a tiny rasp-pi sized lisp machine, I think that'd be sellable
asciilifeform: anyone who offers to 'help you get rich' in specifically these terms is either a imbecile or sc4mz0r
asciilifeform: trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich'
cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol
asciilifeform: jurov: the loose set of all banks that play ball with usg, all locales where there isn't an icbm battery between you and usg, etc
asciilifeform: if you -actually- tally up the costs, realistically
asciilifeform: getting just one person (not even talking about family, friends, pets, possessions, etc) permanently out of not only usa but the nato financial octopus - is probably more expensive than launching it into orbit
asciilifeform: trinque: escape from gravity well is the most personal matter imaginable
trinque: asciilifeform: I'd think there's enough talent right here to escape a gravity well
cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:54:35; danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies?
cazalla: danielpbarron, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044264 <<< i've managed to watch maybe 2-3 movies from start to end since son was born.. maybe the guy's kids are older but that just seems to take even more free time away
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:19:50; asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit
asciilifeform: iirc we spoke re: the sewer pumps here at least once
PeterL: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before- << surviving is dependent on having useful skills and wot connections to others with skills, the time to gain these is also strictly -before-
trinque: but, one will still try to increase his chances even as lowered into the oil
trinque: no worse than the situation was before though, right?
trinque: this is more a question of what to do until then
trinque: danielpbarron: someone will just beat the private keys out of you
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm specifically addressing the fantasies of 'survive' rather than 'die with honour' (there'll be death of every kind available to all-comers, then)
trinque: asciilifeform: well you at least fight back as the knife's plunged in
asciilifeform: when the planes are still flying
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before-
asciilifeform: somehow everybody (at least every adult male) thinks that he's the clever bugger who will notice the things everyone else has overlooked, survive catastrophes that put the rest of the area to bed for good, etc.
PeterL: I was just trying to finish trinque's idea of hiding in the woods for 3 weeks
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't mean that I'd return to the city 3wks later
asciilifeform: even in a very optimistic scenario like ussr, the disappearance of 'business as usual' could last for decades.
PeterL: wait out collapse, then return to scrounge resources from ruins?
trinque: pick a spot far enough that no one hungry is going to wander there on foot
trinque: that sounds like surviving 3 weeks in the woods at most though
asciilifeform: the heat - mostly stayed on; etc
asciilifeform: no one in ussr could be evicted from their income suddenly zeroing;
trinque: actually "in advance" would make sense if there were ongoing shortages
trinque: asciilifeform: I would want to know whether that was mostly a reaction after collapse, or something which people had in advance
asciilifeform: trinque: accurate data is hard to come by, but at one point something like 80% of the calories consumed came from amateur gardens
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 17:41:46; asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'
trinque: asciilifeform: were all (former) Soviets growing their own food?
trinque: I mean if we're headed back to the stone age, might as well eat a bullet in that situation
trinque: PeterL: you don't need infinite amounts of tools, once you have them
PeterL: danielpbarron: I imagine they have to import metal to make their farm implements, or are they doing mining and refining too?
trinque: danielpbarron: my parents have a farm that produces far in surplus of what they need
trinque: bitstein: nice! I lived there for years, grew up in houston
asciilifeform: what are the folks 'fighting for texas' eating?
trinque: enough for pieces of the military to break off and start fighting for texas?
asciilifeform: when they go to the forest and blast away at bull's eyes, it's really a psychological release
asciilifeform: what's more, the would-be mutineers mostly know this.
asciilifeform: washington doesn't need to 'waco' them - just to stop sending the trucks (command economy, recall?)
chetty: right? left? too the moon might as well be. right and left don't make sense anymore
asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc.
trinque: invoke the "end times", etc
trinque: I could see someone clever turning them into a far-right movement of some kind
chetty: yeah, need the bubba effect to kick in
asciilifeform: it doesn't. ergo, there isn't.
asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq
asciilifeform: the 'hordes' are dealt with in the same way as anarchists 100 years ago - moles, stoolies, provocateurs, and, if these fail, massed attack with costly 20th c. armour/aviation
trinque: and people who actually know how to use them
chetty: walk softly and carry a big stick won't ever change, at least not the big stick part :)
trinque: I don't see how national-scale weapons control could be implemented in the US
asciilifeform: sorta like the logic of nuke war
asciilifeform: PeterL: small nuance here, also. the 'jungle shells' don't have to actually be made to work, in a sense. think about how the 'gavin fork' thing, which died - or at least went into hibernation - merely from knowing that response is ready
PeterL: Apparently the government has started changing the rules, then asking for public comment (which they then ignore)
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 17:54:22; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
BingoBoingo: The proposed a guarenteed payment pool for GPU miners where once ASICs arrived the GPUs would be aimed at other computing tasks
BingoBoingo: There's been a number of these things. This was actually one of the business's "CoinLab" explored
asciilifeform: but the sheer lameness, worth a discussion
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Possibly. Mentioned by name in the linked TorrentFreak piece.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.epicscale.com << the spamatronic 'cpu broker' used in the crapware described in recent qntra piece
trinque: I have a family member that's tagged for harassment at the border for political involvement in the 70s
PeterL: just needs a >S.MG</a> in there
PeterL: BingoBoingo: the link for s.mg is not closed, could you fix?