mircea_popescu: not fast enough for rayon to do anything. powerfdul enough to cut through leather, wood etc
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:34:58; asciilifeform: my understanding is that in usa, war machines that do not use pyrotechnic effects are not considered 'arms' and are not regulated at the national level
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order. << just wrapping up the regression of the static binary: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R and after this, we just need to bundle up this thing and sign patches & tar ball. gettin close!
mircea_popescu: strictly because of their sovereignity problem
asciilifeform: wasn't speaking, note, of whether usians will smoke weed mostly without harassment (they already have for years) - but of whether fed usg specifically will let go of the bludgeon
mircea_popescu: it's now going into senate. most states are going off the ganja bust.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they'd have to backpedal on 50 yrs. of forced treaties with most of the planet
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048036 << don't go there. marihuana is coming legal.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so teh usg-vc-turdatron is "building prediction markets" and usgavin is "building consensus" among the "core developers" of a meanwhile obsoleted branch of bitcoin core.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 18:16:24; kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment.
mircea_popescu: it's ok, they've been doing this for years nao.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047863 << the only one that solved the problem the usg backed "teams" are "working towards" i would presume without reading.
mircea_popescu: now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order.
mircea_popescu: everyone's well fed, including the bums.
asciilifeform: point isn't that gavin&co are 'winning', but that the absence of said winning is not driven home to them
asciilifeform: but they did replace it (with the headers-only crap) and even a buncha morons are running the thing
mircea_popescu: an internet retard who simply can not stop providing the lolz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the expression is, lolcow.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 18:08:18; ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047858 << that part was inevitable. what was evitable, and usually is avoided, but couldn't be and consequently wasn't here is - the whole thing critically failing and in the process exposing them, their methods and the whole farm to public ridicule.
asciilifeform: usg assets don't surrender, they keep doing their thing until the stool is kicked and the rope goes taught. or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: "i'm going to pretend like if i find five people that can be bribed, scared or fooled then that's all that was needed to begin with. just, the usg is so ridiculous, toothless and impotent I CANT EVEN SAY WHO THE FUCK THE FIVE WILL BE. hopefully we even find five idiots, or else... whatever, three's enough. one's me, one's me dressed as satoshi, one's me in my wife's panties. win!"
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assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 18:05:42; thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up.
mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed to wade into the merits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but formally, as far as writing is concerned, as far as the art of blogging is concerned, it's a good piece.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 14:59:37; asciilifeform: http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047818 << actually this is a remarkably good piece on the textual merits.
asciilifeform: ^ worth reading mainly for the slipping car anecdote
BingoBoingo: It might be the case linus wavers
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building.
asciilifeform: 'If however, anyone feels personally abused, threatened, or otherwise uncomfortable due to this process, that is not acceptable. If so, please contact the Linux Foundation's Technical Advisory Board at...' << linus begins to totter ?!!?
BingoBoingo: further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34
asciilifeform: (think about micrometeorites, etc. and occasionally there is a cosmic ray travelling with the energy of a well-thrown baseball.)
asciilifeform: jurov: that's the basic idea, yes
jurov: get a pipe, seal one one side but connect it to electrolyzer, jam bullet into other side,
BingoBoingo: These still require something of a piston system though?
asciilifeform: potentially bullet itself could even be molded during the process of firing
BingoBoingo: tooling in the big challenge it seems. requires a finer grit than bastard file offers
asciilifeform: but there is no particular reason why the principle cannot be applied to a man-portable small arm
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asciilifeform: where the propellant is H and O produced via electrolysis for each shot
asciilifeform: incidentally, to continue an earlier thread with mircea_popescu et al re: 'jungle bullet' - has anyone ever attempted to militarize the old familiar 'hydrogen cannon' ?
BingoBoingo: The oklahoma scam
BingoBoingo: Ah, you mean like that time Uhaul rented a truck from their yellow competitor to sully that brand
asciilifeform: what will almost certainly be usg-banned quite soon - and banned the way chemistry as a class was, rather than as specific types of small arm were - is flying machines
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but if sufficiently crazy/monied/intelligent crackpot produces solid state laser pistol with more than anti vehicle firings per charge that isn't too portable they would likely consider it a purchase
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:40:05; trinque: there's something there too about being able to outwit the regulators by virtue of them not having the imagination to conceive the necessary ban
asciilifeform: usg could and did put down rebellion even in the era when arbitrary hardware was permitted to whoever could afford it
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't like one could cut through a phalanx of usg stormtroopers and stay legally in the clear simply because the machine is not banned per se
trinque: there's something there too about being able to outwit the regulators by virtue of them not having the imagination to conceive the necessary ban
BingoBoingo: At the moment I imagine there is no explict ban because USG wants to see what Boeing might buy for them off of a sufficiently advanced crackpot while it is still safe to assume such things are minimally portable.
BingoBoingo: trinque: With sufficiently good batteries laser, magnetic rail, and other exotica might finally be banned.
BingoBoingo: There's state level prohibitions on top of things. In any number civilian taser/stun gun ownership is banned
asciilifeform: not that appropriate text couldn't be crapped into the penal code overnight if lizardhitler wished it, mind you
asciilifeform: there are prohibitions on nukes (lol), poisons, and biowar - but that's, iirc, it.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that in usa, war machines that do not use pyrotechnic effects are not considered 'arms' and are not regulated at the national level
asciilifeform: (in usa - anything that has only one hilt it being roughly 90 degree to the barrel, iirc, is legally 'pistol')
asciilifeform: still not sure how anything the size of a 1990s laptop can be called a 'pistol' with a straight face
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That, but also 'smart' in the sense of authenticates user is defacto forbiden because of New Jersey law.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc 'smart' in the sense of electrical detonation is explicitly forbidden
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still a lot of blame for this goes to the fuckers who made AR-style pistols. Some feasibe civilian arms in the US are simply not made due to the legal/regulatory cascade which would follow. (ex. 'smart' guns)
asciilifeform: only retracted when found a new use for the armed thugs
cazalla: danielpbarron, it could be the beard, i'd wager there is a higher ratio of men with beards than not in #b-a and higher ratio of men with bikini wax at /r/bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Well, there was that one time they listened to women on booze and retracted, but it was an earlier time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They will likely try that yes. It's just very expensive politically to anger the gun lobby in this way.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reprieve << ahaha lol no. it's the usual 'we'll slip it up your arse later when brouhaha is over and nobody's paying attention' usg business.
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BingoBoingo: lol, looks like in the case of bullets vs. ATF bullets have recieved a reprieve http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2015-03-021015-advisory-notice-those-commenting-armor-piercing-ammunition-exemption-framework.html
thestringpuller: Ballmer was the Nero of MicroPoo
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Not at all, but it is interesting how the ghost of HP is trying to do anything it can to say "Butt weur gud guiz, buy from us"
ascii_field: davout: whatcha gonna suggest next, the 'foreign legion', lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, im off! tell all the stoyas.
davout: haha what about them?
thestringpuller: davout: although France is communist, they got style
ascii_field: davout: because anything other than usa
davout: thestringpuller: why do you want a communist nation's passport anyway?
davout: thestringpuller: marry a french chick i guess
davout: mebbe the haxxorer also changed other addresses on the same page, signing can't really hurt can it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field has an excellent point : this is a fine time to make new keys / reorganize the keyplan, make a master key which then signs other keys as you need etc.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of reusing addresses.
mircea_popescu: davout for one, it's the sameaddress everyone else paid to
davout: as for the signature, how do i verify your wordpress wasn't haxxored?
davout: mircea_popescu: i noticed the decimals thing on mike_c's quote as well :)
mircea_popescu would rather see stoya here than paul graham.
davout: and if we're doing signatures it's probably the payment address that needs to be signed along with the amount
davout: mircea_popescu: ty for the quote
mircea_popescu: btw - only a few days left, hurry up in case the btc collapses.
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cazalla: kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. <<< might be the funniest thing i've read for a while
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time! << they want you to buy a thing to make more holes
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PeterL: well, once you get a good system, then make it change slowly
PeterL: right, I am not saying the current system is good
PeterL: big changes get put in the news, usually
PeterL: ascii_field: there is something to be said for making it hard to change laws, if changing the law is too easy then nobody will be able to keep track of it
ascii_field: but the (very modern!) notion that the state would or could tie its own hands - lunacy.
ascii_field: the only thing statal (vs tribal) law ever was, is a '3 ring binder' affair to simplify peasant-herding
adlai: "fight fire with fire" breaks down when The Law is above itself
ascii_field: down in the sewer
ascii_field: not that it 'needs' to be in there
adlai: thestringpuller: you're missing the best part of the talk: "A tenth of a Bitcoin for anyone who takes the livestream and puts a pope hat on me during the stream. That would be awesome." http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
kakobrekla: re adapter, but i havent really bothered reading http://www.cnet.com/products/apple-usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter/
ascii_field: this is their most beloved gambit
ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable
thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the next major release, which wi
kakobrekla: i heard the 100 dorra device you plug into it can indeed charge at same time as you use usb or whatever it is
thestringpuller: ascii_field and danielpbarron: generals of the pogo army
ascii_field: literally. there is exactly one jack
ascii_field: in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time!
ascii_field: 'subspace' >> 'Unfortunately, downloading all messages scales very poorly. In Subspace, we use a filtering technique that allows us to mix our messages with a user-defined subset of the total message space, reducing your bandwidth consumption while preserving your privacy.' >> shitgnomism
thestringpuller: ascii_field is with us live from the streets
adlai hasn't, beyond knowing that they claim to not require everybody to store everything (which bitmessage requires)
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PeterL: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plumgeek/ringo-the-palm-size-robot-with-real-personality?ref=video this looks fun
PeterL: asciilifeform:but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. << When writing such an integral, I use words in my head as I put down the symbols (eg. integral from 0 to 2pi integral from 0 to 1 integral from 4r^2 to 4 of xdxrdrd(theta) )
asciilifeform: incidentally, my explanation at 14:39:46 is a bit broken but i'll leave it as exercise for the reader.
asciilifeform: not sure what the word for it is
asciilifeform: and there's something palpably poisonous about that page
asciilifeform wrote a flame many years ago and the 'butthurt' over it never seems to abate
asciilifeform: '...we should start with cleaner hardware, then write a cleaner replacement for the JVM (same cross-platform capabilities!?, same performance optimisations!?), as well as all its libraries... we'd be busy at least for another decade and required backing from several large companies.'
asciilifeform: http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs)
asciilifeform: (that, afaik, is the limit of what anyone with actual funding has dared)
asciilifeform: but one can put together a few mil. of these, without any apparent daemonic possession of the machine, is what we experimentally have so far.
asciilifeform: rather than physical effect of individual gate
asciilifeform: unless novel hell is of some higher-level mathematical variety
asciilifeform: if never metastable, then no
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there;s a limit of how many you can plop together before you end up in some novel hell
asciilifeform: and was in fact the missing ingredient
asciilifeform: but i seem to be the only one who (publicly) realized that it is the very thing for building dataflow comp.
asciilifeform: exhibits other interesting properties.
asciilifeform: but at any rate they do not end up wedged in practice (folks with $maxint have built otherwise conventional cpu without clock using c-gate, they don't wedge)
mircea_popescu: and this is why i became a theoretical physicist
asciilifeform: but if didn't show, only explained why, the thing would have to be re-invented to be built
mircea_popescu: seeing how i'm not an electrical engineer, i'm prone to misinterpret. the boon of ignorance.
mircea_popescu: i'll note you'd have had a much more reliable response had you described rather than shown :)!!!
asciilifeform: because an ordinary logic gate can enter a 'metastable' wedge-state if it is given a 'pathological' input transition (i.e. you try to use the output before the inputs are stable)
asciilifeform: they have to wait for inputs to 'settle'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the function of the 'extra' gates does not become clear unless you understand why extant cpus (which do not use muller's c-gate) need 'clocks' at all
asciilifeform: i regard c-gate as among the greatest inventions in 20th c. electronics
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the c-gate !?!
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it translates to text quite perfectly well, and plainly : "if and only if". but this is familiar to people trained in humanities more than in cs i guess.
adlai would've had to use trial-and-error to figure out which gate was represented, if the filename hadn't specified it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reasons whereby ruby sucks have nothing to do with the representation
adlai: on the contrary
mircea_popescu: the only reason that picture is even meaningful to you is because you long ago digested its text
asciilifeform: know the saying 'picture is worth 1000 words' ? it isn't a joke
asciilifeform: adlai: a good chunk of the total world of engineering fits in this category
asciilifeform: where are the moles?
adlai: antecedent failure... for a moment, parsed that as [firstlook] cite thompson... but i guess they're just journalists
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asciilifeform: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2015/03/10/strawhorse-attacking-macos-ios-software-development-kit << at least they cite thompson.
nubbins`: "As well as targeting the iPhone and iPad directly, the CIA also claims to have developed a poisoned version of Xcode, the software development tool used by app developers to create the apps sold through Apple's hugely successful App Store. It is unclear how the CIA managed to get developers to use the poisoned version of Xcode, but it would have allowed the CIA install backdoors into any apps created using their version."
asciilifeform: jurov: think about how you can't 'ask' every machine word in your ram simultaneously whether it 'equals such-and-such'
jurov: the human memory is content addressable. computers are very poor at that
asciilifeform: removing bricks from on top another brick, will not make the latter a faster runner...
asciilifeform: it's only true in the opposite
mircea_popescu: minus the last sentence.
asciilifeform: y is, the more intelligent/productive you can be.'
asciilifeform: 'Whats the real difference between having a type signature in your short-term memory or prominently displayed in your second monitor? Whats the real difference between writing a comment in your mind or touch-typing it as fast as you create it? Just some speed. Just some time. And the more visible that type signature is, the faster you can type out that comment, the larger your memory gets. And the larger your memor
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't start with pharma, freud was closer to a fraud than anything. and all the way back.
mircea_popescu: most of the "mind science" is pure gunk, ftr.
asciilifeform: the original '7' thing was re: short-term memory and juggling arbitrary symbols as strings
asciilifeform: i promised yesterday to say why i quit the ibm green phosphour terminal; this was why
adlai: 7 is some average (mode?) though, rather than a neurological law.
jurov: and mnemonics is all about replacing the stuff eith rememberable *visual* interpretation
asciilifeform: i think he was speaking of the 7 levels of stack thing
mircea_popescu: there's no understanding involved in mashing the bits together. i also teach cooking by example only.
mircea_popescu: adlai not coincidental either.
adlai sees a surprising parallel between processing a long string of characters and the von neumann approach to executing a linear sequence instructions referring an array of memory...
jurov: there are cases linguistic processor may require storage of more than 7 items
asciilifeform: when you teach the pets to reassemble kalash, will it be visually (tactile!) or verbally ?
mircea_popescu: the more important point here was if you're somehow going to leverage the visual processor to think with, rather than whether it sometimes saves representative space for the linguistic processor to conveniently symbolize.
asciilifeform: human languages as a class aren't even automatically unambiguous structurewise, and to hammer them into this shape results in the kind of verbiage that led people to invent 'squigglies' in the first place.
asciilifeform: or simply to the fact that straight line of alphabet yes, can unambiguously describe everything. but it takes titanic space for a large class of concepts
mircea_popescu: (/me could have been deformed by years of insisting pets verbalize as part of their education)
mircea_popescu: the very general case where it's easier to show me than to tell me reduces to pr0n.
asciilifeform: let's suppose they weren't implicit.
asciilifeform: and what of the bounds ?
asciilifeform: there is a reason why newton and leibniz both came up with new symbols for this example
asciilifeform: http://www.tutapoint.com/kcimages/TripleIntegraParaboloidPlate_.jpg << pulled out of the aether arbitrarily for folks who had too many years from school
asciilifeform: but used 'weird symbols' not found on my keyboard, was the point
asciilifeform: it isn't nonverbal in the sense of what geometers liked to do
mircea_popescu: i still dunno why you think the current notation is somehow nonverbal.
asciilifeform: but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang.
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: well actually, under the "least bugs in code" criteria, the best programming was done 1100ad - 1700ad.
asciilifeform: batch programmers typically never even saw the machine...
asciilifeform: because that was surely the ultimate 'derp zapper'
asciilifeform: (mathematically - in 'batch mode' - yes. usably in real time - no)
adlai: the basic idea is an obvious limitation of von neumann
asciilifeform: but perhaps the basic idea is clear
asciilifeform: adlai: if you're curious, i quit the emulator when i realized that even the text output absolutely trivial on a dataflow machine cannot be rendered in real time on a von neumann box (simply attach dependency graph to each rectangle of video buffer ram)
adlai: in this case, the problem is that limitations push upwards
adlai: that's nice, for the shelf
adlai: until then, i'm here
adlai: eh, the information in a video can be reliably conveyed through a transcript
asciilifeform: yet another example of an item for which you absolutely need a moving picture
asciilifeform: because thing wasn't just some idiot talking, but a film of the machine in use
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asciilifeform: adlai: but the original google video was censored
asciilifeform: now all of this probably plays into mircea_popescu's thesis, because it turns out that the main use of graphical bitmaps in a 'symbolics' box or in my emacs is to better shovel text around
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well then that's all i got, because i've never spent considerable enough time with one to say anything cogent.
mircea_popescu: no it didn't. modern mathematics began once they gave up the "mysticism" and "unexpressible" and "obvious" visual/intuitive nonsense and started putting everything in words.
asciilifeform: or for that matter mathematical symbols. modern mathematics -began- when they switched from naked words to the occasional piece of graphical 'garbage'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will use your own body to defeat you! how long did you spent with the box, and how much did you make in that time ?
asciilifeform: but pray tell what were the 'timewasters' on a 'symbolics' box ?
asciilifeform: i understand the appeal of 'this is the fucking army, you will paint the snow white until your fucking beg'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't << why not goose quill pen, then
adlai: i've not yet encountered something which worked better for me than text, but i'm not sold on it being the global maximum, short of sticking wires in the brain
adlai proposes nothing, just dumps links in the logs
mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't. exactly the opposite service of a powerpoint presentation.
jurov: the original discussion was that having X*Y fixed terminal is sufficient for every intellectual endeavor
mircea_popescu: to be fair, i loved the "visual equalizer" in whatever program first played mp3s on 386s, single session. and obviously computers are for pronz.
mircea_popescu: let's move it in a different field. you acquainted with the happenstance that iconoclastic civilisations prospered intellectually whereas iconocladic civilisations failed ?