assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 14:20:01; danielpbarron: today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting
chetty: Saw a poll that 50% of americans still don't know health insurance is mandatory, wonder how they would pull off mandatory voting?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or anyone inclined, can we have a qntra piece discussing why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057797 is an attempted self-boon by fiat, which bitcoin will ignore like all the others ? and warn reuters and whatever idiot signed it to dessist from lying and misrepresenting while they still have their heads ?
mircea_popescu: jurov well... getting idiots to mind their own fucking business might be a bridge too far.
mircea_popescu: ^ maybe next they can has a referendum too.
mircea_popescu: i can see the argument.
jurov: but eventually some picture emerges. that would not be the case at all in 1600
mircea_popescu: jurov so wait, the fact that it was downed by a missile is not disputed ? then why's this relevant ?
mircea_popescu: "Investigation into the chemical composition showed that they are remains from a BUK missile, among which fragments from the warhead the pay load. The fragment of the warhead consists of a low-quality alloy of steel common to this form of ammunition. It appears from electroscopic enlargements that a fragment shows a cast-on Cyrillic serial number from the Russian language next to a partly broken number 2."
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't recall what the positions were there, was it the pro-russians saying the pro-nato downed it with a jet, and the pro-nato saying the pro-russians took it down with a buk ?
chetty: in 1600 there were still places to flee to
jurov: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile << example. and many others that prove putin's bloody hands
ascii_field: 'heightening the contradictions' aha
mircea_popescu: they really could use some whipping.
mircea_popescu: but in any case : i happen to think the attempt'd do a huge service to all usians.
mircea_popescu: this seemed a plausible theory for centuries at a stretch.
mircea_popescu: for all you know sperm tries to impregnate the tiles everytime someone jacks off.
mircea_popescu: but are you sure they can.
mircea_popescu: if you were a film producer you would filter the actors, yet reality doesn't care ?
mircea_popescu: the only way out is submission, abject.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the only reason we know about him is the gigantic crew of usg photographers and a usg planetary mediachumatron ready to endlessly reprint the photo
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the idea that as the skin fails away the body can move to a 2nd line of defense is ridiculous. people with burns over 80% of the surface don't survive on their own.
mircea_popescu: take, for argument's sake, the guy in tienanmen. now, the cost of the tank running him over ? w/e, five cents in detergent and ten cents in gasoline.
ascii_field: my model is more of a hypothesis re: what tools usg will pick up when the usual ones (magick away the universe with idiot media tricks) begin to fail
ascii_field: they died of ricochet (well, shrapnel) in 1915
mircea_popescu: your model worked fine in a world of lumberjacks and church bell towers a day's walk away from each other.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, her negotiating basis changed, and so now the victory of the opposition is incontrovertible.
mircea_popescu: plus, everything else, starting with the press and ending with... who the fuck wants to talk to her now ? kim ?
ascii_field: and she is closer to the jail?
mircea_popescu: what was the cost of this ? there's three working on it now. so the cost was, superficially, problem x3.
mircea_popescu: take an example further away, may help. so cristina ordered the death of a prosecutor that was going to put her in jail.
mircea_popescu: now, granted, a transhumanist in the audience aged about 11 and with an education consisting mostly of harry potter books may think himself so important that this is a bad deal.
mircea_popescu: who wins the next election ? jeb bush ?
mircea_popescu: the dod accuses him so and so,. he's all over al jazeera explaining what a poopyhead obama is.
mircea_popescu: suppose petreus didn't go down for it, went on a snowden tour. what then ?
mircea_popescu: the bitinstant schmuck did it himself also.
mircea_popescu: but these folk somehow get away with it.
mircea_popescu: but think for a moment through it. so, in a country where petreus can't have fun with an ugly stupiod old whore, there still exist these people who can do outrageous things.
ascii_field: rather, it brings it closer to.
ascii_field: used here as illustration that the imminent demise of usg and the broader zombie civilization that created it, does not separate ulbricht's arse from anthill
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: slightly misunderstanding example. the ru tanks emboldened the rebels, hastening their deaths
mircea_popescu: on the contrary.
mircea_popescu: you understand ? the ro revolution was not in the slightest hindered by the fact the ro army tanks were right there.
mircea_popescu: there are no tanks here.
mircea_popescu: i am saying two things. one is that your model of "folks involved" is actually inconsistent. the other is that for any consistent model, the -ev is so pronounced as to make any other alternative rationally preferable.
ascii_field: by 'save' meant the banal fact that to prisoner, his captors may as well be 'the universe'
ascii_field: or is mircea_popescu proposing that this is -EV for the folks involved
mircea_popescu: anyway, back on the "salvation" angle : is the doctor who cures your cancer savbing you ? suppose you die coming out of the hospital run over by a bus. what salvation ?
mircea_popescu: people mostly don't believe the usg statements in the case of ulbricht. what when they're actually made up ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and who will believe their cover ?
mircea_popescu: i surmise you don't use it in the christian sense, but what do you mean by it ?
ascii_field: see, the rectoanalyzer will not be used by conventional 'daylight' usg, no
mircea_popescu: like, one year in prison ? costs you nothing, costs them 100k or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: every anything you propose costs the usg way more than it costs you.
ascii_field: but this didn't save the girl
mircea_popescu: the situation isn't magically changed just because we're no longer shooting.
ascii_field: germany was also not 'the universe'
mircea_popescu: think for a second of the "antisocial struggle" example : every shot cop costs the state millions, and the shooter a bullet.
mircea_popescu: the situation is that some guys are trying to torment the universe. this is dysfunctional as a plan.
mircea_popescu: your ideas work in this situation where the usg is "the universe" and the guy it torments just a guy.
mircea_popescu: you misread the incentives tho.
ascii_field: for quick - rectothermics. anything in between, also.
ascii_field: anyway i bring it up because it seems almost certain to be tried. cryptoanalysis is the one kind of peine forte et dure where answer can be instantly verified by machine. so torment can be very efficient - for slow, 'humane' variant, just put it on the door lock
mircea_popescu: who ordered them made and what's his faith based on that he won't be the first they'll be tried on ?
mircea_popescu: well its mere existence. so who made these ? robots ?
ascii_field: other is key for user.
ascii_field: quite possibly 'raytheon' or the like is even now marketing a fully-automatic ecdsa rectothermocryptoanalyzer.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron : Sep 24 21:32:22 <asa1024>send them moar porn! that should keep them busy for awhile! ( 2012)
ascii_field: i won't pontificate on whether the past century of usg work on tortures, dope, etc. came to anything, but this is more or less the kind of situation it was all ultimately waiting for, to try.
mircea_popescu: and i don't intend to give them THAT easy way out either. let em fucking work for their keep. what, keep me in prison for fifty years ? cool.
ascii_field not expert game-theorist, but this point seems pretty clear
ascii_field: so may as well. you still need the cyanide
ascii_field: just the one you happen to have on person when besieged
mircea_popescu: well then what do you destroy ?
mircea_popescu: it must stay there, forever, inaccessible. let em fucking twitch in agony.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly the same thing, for a new, and "dark" generation.
mircea_popescu: jews have all the money and power, men have all the money and power, jews have secret conspiracies to keep aryans down, men have secret conspiracies to keep womyn down, real aryans wouldn't fuck jews, real womyn wouldn't fuck men,
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this is why i made the panel switches removable. easy installation of pull ring for zap toggle.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron anyway, nazism also aimed to make the wortld a better place. this is indisputable. and it also aimed to do this by empowering a subgroup at the expense of other subgroups, which it perceived , falsely, as oppressive. the identity between internet feminism and fascism is quite indisputable.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field maybe i'm veering into insanity by now, but i tell you honestly, i wouldn't give it to them if the whole country fucking sunk for it.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:45; davout: i recall it being mentioned that this was only the "default" deposit address, too lazy to !s it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer.
ascii_field: ah, britain, the home of the peine forte et dure - perfect for recalcitrant kulaks clinging to keys...
mircea_popescu: ascii_field because they're not actually tyhinking
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:19; danielpbarron: "It's offensive. While feminism is a movement that aims to make the world a better place by promoting equality, nazism is a movement which is linked to one of the darkest periods in history" << lol "darkest periods"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057737 << technically correct : a period they know least about would be dark.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:02:53; danielpbarron: (c) in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057732 << yeah, they figure they can pass laws substantially going "if we need your money you must give it to us" and that'll do anything more than dissolve the uk as a legal entity.
trinque: lol @ the face of mischief
thestringpuller: there are two asciilifeform 's ?
trinque: that's the spend for what'll be your bundle shortly
mod6: is that the funding addr for deedbot?
trinque: and ty for the rate
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to 2 with note: Balancing increased IRL load-average!
trinque: mircea_popescu: I am doing the work of about 5 regular code-monkeys
assbot: You rated user mircea_popescu on 01-Mar-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: upgraded to mah nigga.
assbot: You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: <undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation.
trinque: but yeah, totally agree on the feedback so far, just balancing increased IRL load-average
mircea_popescu: what's the worst that can happen!
mircea_popescu: just sed 's/://' over the codebase
mircea_popescu: mostly because autofill adds a space then i have to delete it etc. serves no purpose either.
mircea_popescu: trinque : a) could deedbot be registered so it autovoices ; b) could the website be edited so as to be arranged as discussed ; c) could the syntax of this thing be fixed so i can actually use it!
mircea_popescu: i've formed a psychological aversion to dividends because i keep fucking the sums up ;/
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: and Usagi (megalol) << "Usagi the insurer" along with "Kludge the banker" and others
mike_c: well, there was also MPOE
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> BingoBoingo:BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen <<< ah, maybe. there are others? << X.EUR (more limited scope) and Usagi (megalol)
lobbes: asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 << thank you for this introduction on the writings of Naggum. Likewise, I feel it is my duty to spend the next decade learning Common Lisp
trinque: mod6: I've got 'em from punkman, have not had time to throw them in yet
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re: youtube videos for dumb people << i've started thinking because Videos are much easier to consume than words, dumb people are more attracted to it cause they can "watch it" instead of "read it"
nubbins`: what in the
nubbins`: danielpbarron that's the sense i get.
fluffypony: and it can observe the exchange and you get your money
fluffypony: the fulfillment is easy
fluffypony: I mean it's good in theory
nubbins`: i'm curious to know if this idiot had a broken example in mind, or if he just mashed words together
fluffypony: nubbins`: the smart contract must magically be able to solve self-disputes
trinque: my both immediate and long-term strategy has been to identify markets where the software has languished, and to raid the space with something built well
assbot: Sure smart contracts may replace lawyers, but because they're 'smart' you can't break the law either, so you'll need fewer police.
nubbins`: that said, holding the stop sign all day is no fun. can't listen to headphones, gotta stand up!
nubbins`: asciilifeform:phun phact (also noted by al) - fella who holds the 'stop' sign all day makes 2x what a typical postdoc makes. <<< fella w/ the sign is also arguably providing more value for the $
lobbes: Slowly, I'm starting to understand/absorb the reasoning in: trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense
nubbins`: BingoBoingo:BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen <<< ah, maybe. there are others?
nubbins`: asciilifeform:ben_vulpes: where i went it was the 'credit-hour' <<< same, standard 3h/wk course was 3 credit hours
lobbes: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politics/obama-mandatory-voting/index.html << So dumb. Yes, let's force the uninformed masses to contribute to the problem
asciilifeform: mats: if you desperately need this, the popular hobbyist 'arm' dev board 'beaglebone' features a usb slave controller and comes with code example. wire up on the the gpio pins to a toggle switch and you have your drive.
asciilifeform: mats: USB drives with hw write switch << i do not know of any commercially-available items which fit this description (you will find switches on a few, but they are merely a 'polite request' to the host machine)
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 19:09:16; mircea_popescu: xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :)
funkenstein_: is openbsd the only reason to have an optical drive?
chetty: <danielpbarron> today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting//was that on purpose or an oops?
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:12; davout: jurov: by default they should come with the first deposit according to the FAQ, so to the deposit address
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057736 << have you looked on the 1Fx addy? that would mean no new accounts since november
chetty: The Treasury further announced on Wednesday a new research initiative on digital currency technology, and said it would inject an additional 10 million pounds ($14.66 million) into the area. It will work with the British Standards Association to develop a set of standards that will protect consumers, it said.
funkenstein_: but they already convinced me of that with "papers please"
assbot: I was detained by CBSA, required to give passwords for all my devices. They wanted to "inspect" devices in some closed room. [1/5]
funkenstein_: excellent. I hope Mr. UK does a good job of making sure there is one block every 10 minutes
Asa9t1: i had to use the bitcoin program
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Asa9t1: that was the bot for bitcoin
Asa9t1: then i wondered if it was a bot who auto voiced
danyalos_: danielpbarron thx for the up and for the tw follow. At first, I thought you were here in BA.
davout: i recall it being mentioned that this was only the "default" deposit address, too lazy to !s it
davout: jurov: by default they should come with the first deposit according to the FAQ, so to the deposit address
assbot: Mozilla approves Nazi-themed, anti-feminism Firefox extension [Update] ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8U40H )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the fees for new mpex accounts go to publicly known addy? if it's secret, why?
jurov: ;later tell mircea_popescu the fees for new mpex accounts go to publicly known addy? if it's secret, why?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: and in the meantime, i'm going long this girl.
mircea_popescu: hence the importance of making corpses.
mircea_popescu: they make corpses.
ben_vulpes: they make no money.
ben_vulpes: not the shared hosting company.
ben_vulpes: the dropshipper.
mircea_popescu: they will get you ~anywhere~
ben_vulpes: lol the biker is aware of this.
mircea_popescu: on very long distances they suffer from low desnity problem (ie, if you want this sent 5000 miles away, odds are there's not a road leading to your destination)
mircea_popescu: on very short distances they suffer from high density problems (ie, if we live three blocks from each other in manhattan anything';s better than trying to ship you stuff)
mircea_popescu: (length in this impoverished model means nothing other the inverse of density : the longer the distance the lower the density)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let me put it this way : trucks are an excellent midrange solution. if the distance they travel is neither too long nor too shoirt, they do fine
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the (national) gas tax hasn't even been bumped to account for inflation since...93?
ben_vulpes: who knows what strange is in the former.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: a distributed binary is not the same a binary cooked up on ones own box.
ben_vulpes: no but that's not actually a cost to aws business either in the glorious communist states where more dollars are simply printed to maintain infrastrucutre.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ << might be worth calling out why a static build is noteworthy << Vessenes foundation seemed to have been doing static builds for the binaries they distribute... Needs more informed finger too elaboarate why this is different...
mircea_popescu: ie, do you count what it costs to run the trucks starting with what it costs to build the roads they run on ?
ben_vulpes: (only efficient use of a jetpack is to go up as high as possible and then glide sidways as far as possible.)
ben_vulpes: quadrotor not even having a glide rate so to speak, and suffering from the jetpack problem.
ben_vulpes: anyways. point i'm trying to make is that the fuel cost for putting boxes in trucks and moving them around is vastly lower than fuel costs for putting boxes on quadrotors and derping them around town.
ben_vulpes: so they've been banging on in public about delivery of small packages by quadrotor.
mircea_popescu: i know there exists a us corp by that name. it originalyl did books, then junk, now hosting.
ben_vulpes: up there with aapl in drop shipping.
ben_vulpes: counterparty fell back to "but don't you see the value in being the company that builds out quadcopters that can actually fly shit places?"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> but they dont understand what the calculations are really telling them, like Searles chinese room but with numbers. << i tried to have a conversation about amazon's quadcopter delivery system, using an ergodic analysis
ben_vulpes: also probably i have to write an opinion piece as to what the fuck a reference implementation is for
ben_vulpes: which given their water problems should surprise precisely nobody.
ben_vulpes: the good veggies, provided you step outside of the corporate-blessed brand sanctuary and actually go to a "farmers market" or the "first permanent tent structure within city limits" are -- surprise -- cheaper than the lettuces shipped up from cali.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ^ this is solvable, albeit at astonishing cost << near you maybe. not out here in the sticks.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> besides, something tells me you'll salivate after the vibe of any place that's not washington fucking dc. << no but you see "muh jaeorb"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> timisoara. it thinks itself a major romanian town, but it's more like... well... portland, basically. << dude the capital of the occupied coastal territories is remarkable only for being isolated from the retardation of both california and seattle
ben_vulpes: build roads out of shit with high thermal expansion coefficients in washington dc, shit's going to crack before your eyes.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> five-six thousand years later you'll be launching the titanic! << this is precisely what the "domes in the outback" routine is all about
mircea_popescu: so in this perspective, not knowing what the sky is makes one ignorant, not dumb.
asciilifeform: ke a distinction between their observations and their conclusions, such that they are unable to change their conclusions about what they observed. They walk around like they had CD-Rs for brains.'
asciilifeform: ment in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things, seems not even to be underststandable -- they somehow believe that the order they run into them is universalizable and important, that first impressions really tell you everything you need to know about something. I have seen people who have the mental capacity only for the transition from "have not experienced" to "have experienced", and who are unable to ma
asciilifeform: 'Much could be said about this affliction of the mind that causes people to assume that what they do not understand does not matter, that they have reached such a level of omniscience that they no longer need to observe and listen and learn. Having learned enough, some people evidently stop learning altogether. What they learned first is the standard for everything that comes later. That the probably only _truly_ random ele
mircea_popescu: it's also the deep reason women have been throughout human society and the centuries been regarded as intellectually inferior : it just so happens that for very good biological reasson they're primed to accept new circumstances.
mircea_popescu: which is why things like "x animal sought to find its home" makes the animal seem smart, or w/e the opposite of dumb is.
mircea_popescu: dumb in my head is the situation of one who takes his circumstance, whatever it may be, as the complete story.
asciilifeform: and were was the numbers thing from ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo, the " and why do you use that weirdo archaic word 'sky' anyway, it's 'ceiling'" is exactly definitorily dumb.
mircea_popescu: it bothers most thinking people, on a very fundamental and not necessarily conscious level, to interact with anyone exhibiting this particular idiocy.
mircea_popescu: it's a) exactly my experience and b) the fundamental reason the cattle is despised, actually.
mircea_popescu: but they dont understand what the calculations are really telling them, like Searles chinese room but with numbers.
mircea_popescu: ilometers. No one would notice when answers were wildly wrong. [...] Since I began working in the business world Ive noticed that most people never develop that skill. Stick a number in a sentence and people just mentally run right over it, you might as well have inserted some klingon phrases. Some of the better actuaries do have some nice numerical intuition, but a surprising number dont. They can calculate,