nubbins`: if so, why in the world did she think her ass was a good place for that to happen?
nubbins`: specifically, had she ever seen the release valve opened on a full one?
assbot: French Government Starts Blocking Websites With Views The Gov't Doesn't Like | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzsAt6 )
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 21:48:38; ascii_field: in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba
nubbins`: downside is that the book block is now much less securely held in place
assbot: Cisco posts kit to empty houses to dodge NSA chop shops • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1DI9V3o )
kakobrekla: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/18/want_to_dodge_nsa_supply_chain_taps_ask_cisco_for_a_dead_drop/
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 21:34:56; BingoBoingo: I have the most intense hangover
mircea_popescu: they have no users. just because the whatsapp scam was pushed by fb on the grounds of "users" (by the way, did the fantabulous "growth rate" continue after the acquisition ?) does not mean that the same sort of fraud will either work again in the future or is in itself any sort of value.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 21:10:47; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: Where can I find objective arguments against BTCJam? As a lending service and reputation system? And what are the alternatives for P2P lending or we don't have? They have 113,000 users, should they be ignored?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060745 << for the record, this user count bs... see stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-03-2015#1056265
mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zqrqe/update_on_my_foia_request_for_the_first_us/ >> "Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 16.8(d) and (f) , we initiated business submitter notification procedures.to provide the winning bidder (Tim Draper) an opportunity to object to disclosure of the purchase price. Mr. Draper submitted written objections to disclosure. "
RagnarDanneskjol: trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
jurov: and the vid, too, looks like punishment for mircea's slavegirl :D
assbot: Introducing Cryptosteel: The World's Safest Cold Wallet Storage - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xaq7YL )
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-03-2015#1061968 << if you like it, you oughtta put a ring on it. and pay her father 50btc http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_29a.html
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [05:48] but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/793d96d71ffd561915f8c9c49f321e8d/tumblr_mimit0y2OI1rpyycwo1_1280.jpg << you're repeating yourself
ben_vulpes: <trinque> jurov: had the thought once in meditation that I was always... hm... thinking everything I've ever experienced all the time << i've not read it but this was the proust routine, yeah?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen. <<< pete_dushenski, PeterL might be interested, personally i think while nubbins` would do a great job, it's something i would look at once, put in cupboard and forget about
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/acf990fa23a1a30bad4ca6c6e21af8a6/tumblr_ndu41h5Ot61ttr86so1_500.gif
asciilifeform: and retained the unwieldy bulk
asciilifeform: went with 'conversative' design where he took ordinary cannon of whatever kind, and sawed off the breech, replacing with funnel.
asciilifeform: it is worth noting what precisely kurchevsky (the engineer) did.
asciilifeform: (built in vast numbers, apparently all maldesigned, head engineer goes from hero - at one point, monopolizer of virtually all cannon factories - to zero - shot in the head - within 7 years)
asciilifeform: incidentally, any serious amateur historian of political engineering skullduggery will enjoy an account of the life and death of the recoilless rifle in '30s ussr.
assbot: Fighting Isis in Iraq: How British soldiers and other European troops are helping train the Peshmerga - Middle East - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd15rQ )
mats: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fighting-isis-in-iraq-how-british-soldiers-and-other-european-troops-are-helping-train-the-peshmerga-10096952.html << based on this, i thought it may be a folgore
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
asciilifeform: perhaps usg sent the cannon fodder to die
asciilifeform behind the times
asciilifeform: wai they made a prediction ?
mircea_popescu: they lost.
asciilifeform: l0l success is when they're here
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/793d96d71ffd561915f8c9c49f321e8d/tumblr_mimit0y2OI1rpyycwo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the caught ones, at any rate.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that crapware artists, by and large, oblige
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1001 variations on that theme
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually that was the lulz of all time, "malware detectors". except they didn't detect stuff half-register shifted did they.
asciilifeform: or anybody who ever jumped in the middle of x86 instruction
asciilifeform: it's not just a perverse kind of engineering, where it's the plastic that matters
asciilifeform: nubbins`: once you understand how their religion works, it sorta clicks
nubbins`: my position is that wtf is a plastic bag doing that the fuselage isn't
asciilifeform: and i have not been able to figure out why it is there on certain times but not others
asciilifeform: 2) the rope is ill-maintained and often it is down or even in pieces
nubbins`: seems taking once-practical advice to the point of absurdity
asciilifeform: the interesting thing, from where i stand is, 1) the rope 'counts' but the sidewalk it follows, or the line of trees - do not
asciilifeform: there is a little hassid enclave here where i live. they have the 'eruv' (ceremonial rope boundary) that establishes a zone where they can sorta do things on shabat
asciilifeform: nubbins`: notice that only the 'graded for effort' hypothesis explains why the cellophane 'counts' but not the plastic in the fuselage
nubbins`: mircea_popescu guy's protecting himself from the cemetery he's flying over
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 00:07:42; nubbins`: examine the utter failure of logic by this man
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061226 << i agree, the first thing i'd want to ask my long lost twin is if they wanna fuck.
mircea_popescu: we'd be a new sort of furry : the soulless! better than emo!
mircea_popescu: if i were 20 years younger i'd take the sluts to whatever cons on this premise.
mircea_popescu: "and then everything failed because well... everyone was in a bureaucracy, because the souls were like loist behind"
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 00:01:13; asciilifeform: re: teleporter: there were actually people who refused to travel on steam locomotives because the soul can't keep up and will get lost
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061201 << ironically, this would actually explain the modern age.
asciilifeform: something like that. but now we've lost the specificity
mircea_popescu: ok. "sort of wankery they abusively call intelligence, cause they're dumb and ambitious" ?
asciilifeform: the u.s. being collectively enamoured of anything that could be described as 'intelligence' is mega-news to me
mircea_popescu: plenty of good examples, no argument they move faster.
mircea_popescu: actually i watched mosquitoes bite, and the head movement really resembles a tank tower.
mircea_popescu: if survival depends on, say, spending a week in a fox hole paying the fuck attention, "intelligence", especially the dreamy "creative" sort the us is so enamoured with, is the topmost liability.
asciilifeform: well no. but it's rather like the difference between 'die in car crash' and 'die of exhaust fumes in garage'
mircea_popescu: well... you can now divorce these ?!
asciilifeform: of intelligence, or the inevitable cost ?
decimation: no doubt. 'curiousity killed the cat'
decimation: the intelligent one survived long enough to be presented
asciilifeform: but it threatens to make some logical sense based on the tiny size of the 'phase space' of 'healthy/intelligent/strong' vs a world of possible organism, living and dead, which is none of these
mircea_popescu: so of course she does, so now there's a copy,
mircea_popescu: chick falls in love with geek, he takes her home and tells her to fuck any toy in the lab except this one,
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:54:55; asciilifeform: and then mircea_popescu walks in with a '45 and asks which one to shoot
asciilifeform: at any rate, it was a hypothesis, and i only know of any support for a restricted version of it
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:54:02; nubbins`: there's a large chunk of the book that could be misidentified as schizo by the unqualified observer
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061162 << ftr, this "qualified" does exactly nothing. i dunno who thinks themselves qualified in the topic.
asciilifeform: or rather 'general fitness factor'
assbot: Intelligence, Personality and Genius: The decline in general intelligence estimated from a meta-analysis of the slowing of simple reaction time ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfx5Hq )
decimation: http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-decline-in-general-intelligence.html
asciilifeform: very loose analogy for the myelin matching thing
asciilifeform: now vary how much sand in the gears.
mircea_popescu: iirc i said then, i mostly measure intelligence in person by derived units, such as reaction speeds.
asciilifeform: incidentally, my (i don't exclusively claim it..) myelin impedance matching hypothesis - is testable.
decimation: nubbins`: folks who have looked into the matter tend to disagree
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but strength, you wiull notice, is VERY capped at the top.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that won't fucking do anything. ANYTHING. you are to be traced to lucy, the stupidest chimp that ever lived.
nubbins`: if you think genetic predisposition plays a bigger part than whether you're surrounded by idiocy in your formative years, well...
decimation: whatever the causality between 'genes' and 'intelligence' might be, the story is shrouded under layers of ignorance, and it is thus good to be humble on the subject
nubbins`: all i'm arguing is that stupid people have kids, and their kids are given stupid food and provided with stupid stimulation and forced to interact mostly with their stupid parents and their stupid friends
mircea_popescu: but to belabour the point : one of the principal reasons "measuring iq" as it were height is so ridiculous, is because nobody has yet had an off day for height.
mircea_popescu: and in particular the race -> intelligence one has, in my experience so far, about a thousand times more often worked to illuminate the idiocy of the proponent than say anything about its intended topic.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the issue : a plethora of persuasive arguments can be made starting with genetics and ending with behaviours. however, the most commonly encountered ones are neither persuasive
decimation: of course not, but the skeptic is still informed
mircea_popescu: but that is an argument to sink a competing theory with,
asciilifeform: but state of the art, which has to be dealt with as such
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, re twin studies : they're great because best we got
mircea_popescu: are you saying the whippets are no no2 ?
asciilifeform: can't magick them away
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the twin studies -happened-
asciilifeform: but of what in the english world is usually called 'shitflessness' etc
mircea_popescu: note that my observation about where the gaussian's bound is not idle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the genetic explanation of stupidity is certainly not in dispute here.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the differential of quality between the definitions of pregnant and intelligent.
nubbins`: turned out to be the 60th bday of this philosophy prof at local uni
decimation: mircea_popescu: "pregnancy comes from copulation" is a fairly workable theory
nubbins`: covered sections in various number theory courses
asciilifeform: nubbins` owns the complete r&w 'principia' ?
nubbins`: and even that... the axioms
mircea_popescu: well so then.
nubbins`: didn't they retroactively expunge turing's homosexuality conviction within the past couple years
decimation: well, we have a warning to others
mircea_popescu: but wouldn't you agree that had the apples made him gay, THAT would be the most interesting thing about them ?
asciilifeform: thinking of the kcn apple
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but maybe the apples made him gay ?
mircea_popescu: this is damaging to the explainer.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing : any attempt to explain behaviour by genetics ends up bending the notion of "explain" the fuck out of place
asciilifeform: the most interesting fact about it - absolutely
asciilifeform: can still explain the behaviour of turing's apple with chemistry
mircea_popescu: some attempts will be made, but srsly... whadda ya want. shit's hard and chemistry has other stuff to do.
asciilifeform: ^ ahahaha there we have it
nubbins`: aka the double cuckold
mircea_popescu: less dramatically, people adopt all the time.
mircea_popescu: the behaviour is not so much different from whatever, altruism. speech. etc.
mircea_popescu: (there's this entire subculture of [mostly white] men that aim to raise other peopel's children)
nubbins`: the singularity
mircea_popescu: among other things.
asciilifeform: and the twin studies - happened.
decimation: re: genetics of intelligence < the post makes a good point, in that there's nobody who can tell a story about how some genes 'cause' intelligence. But that doesn't really address the observation that when you give a test to ethnic groups A&B, the resulting distributions are different.
mircea_popescu: no one would dispute the true lenin is in the transhumanist facility at dark pink plaza right ?
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:51:31; Adlai: well, you do become 'less yourself', until there's nothing left... although it's a more complex process than just cells dying
mircea_popescu: "rationalists" indistinguishable from flatearthists, except, perhaps, by the color of their guts ? sign me up.
mircea_popescu: "so then what is this nobility again ?" "oh, their blood was a differentcolor." "ic."
mircea_popescu: the same sort of thing as "well... french nobles had lice. just like the peasants. and died of tb"
asciilifeform: the lulz comes from operating using undefined thing
mircea_popescu: that's the animism here, the naive proposition that harm upon the wax statuette will visit the subject.
mircea_popescu: but that aside : you will note that if i make a bitwise copy of a running system on anothjer system, eiteher will continue independently. if i then set the second on fire, the first is unharmed. whether the 2nd "Thinks" that "it" = "the first" is harmed oir not is irrelevant.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:46:09; asciilifeform: the answer to 'is the copy you' is 'shutthefuckup you're asking a broken question'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller sort-of. why /
mircea_popescu: jurov you ever considered doing stand-up comedy ? something in the stewart vein mebbe ?
thestringpuller: anyone watching the friedcat story developing
decimation: there was a time when the husband could appropriately wait outside to receive the new little one after the moment came
mircea_popescu: http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind << fwiw, i am still not convinced that the electric neuron is not the correct approach. the problem is that it should be stateful. i am half tempted to model what happens if you run a grid of these with say 255 states per.
mircea_popescu: the us equivalent, of course, being mammie to rhett butler : "theis ain't a man's job, buzz off."
mircea_popescu: quite out of the field.
mircea_popescu: thur posing at Guinevere becomes Don Quixote grovelling before Dulcinea. You must admit that here Nature beats Comedy out of the field: the wildest hominist or feminist farce is insipid after the most commonplace slice of life.
mircea_popescu: ut of the house to outface his ignominy by drunken rejoicings. But when the crisis is over he takes his revenge, swaggering as the breadwinner, and speaking of Womans sphere with condescension, even with chivalry, as if the kitchen and the nursery were less important than the office in the city. When his swagger is exhausted he drivels into erotic poetry or sentimental uxoriousness; and the Tennysonian King Ar
mircea_popescu: There are no limits to male hypocrisy in this matter. No doubt there are moments when mans sexual immunities are made acutely humiliating to him. When the terrible moment of birth arrives, its supreme importance and its superhuman effort and peril, in which the father has no part, dwarf him into the meanest insignificance: he slinks out of the way of the humblest petticoat, happy if he be poor enough to be pushed o
decimation: heh. no one can shrug off their own humanity
mircea_popescu: which doth mean that even across religious conflict, the pregnant woman trumps the imam. imagine that!
mircea_popescu: (put the husbands in the most visibly awkward position too - once that hand to chest gesture's done they can't refuse, but on the other hand... their wife's sexuality was just referenced by these half-satan pigdogs. was pretty lulzy to observe)
decimation: there is some of that in the us, in a fossilized way. sometimes pregnant women are given priority for parking, for instance
mircea_popescu: the idea's widespread.
mircea_popescu: but, in turkey, at the height of the syrian refugee crisis, i numerously observed various people selling food gifting items to pregnant syrian women.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the revolutionary french actually put it in the code that pregnant women may steal food off market displays.
decimation: a few generations ago it was considered everyone's job (in the family tree) to assist with the young children
decimation: well, paying for young families has the further advantage of being a limited-time affair
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY the same thing, except state doesn't pay for mother's year off, pays for gramma's years off.
decimation: instead of endowing the next generation
decimation: there is something weird about the us, in that the grandparents often think that their responisibilities end after seeing the children off to college
mircea_popescu: i dun think there's anything that can be done in a whole decade of "education" that's as valuable as kid having mother at home first year.
mircea_popescu: people go nuts. as if babies are required to come from the stork, and for free, because htey're wrapped up too tightly to consider fucking.
mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, giving a mother a year off at childbirth is perfectly reasonable.
mircea_popescu: decimation other than the genetics of intelligence, the children is another way i get conservatives enraged.
mircea_popescu: what's different is a bunch of ideological spew clouding the issues.
decimation: well, it excludes the quite legitimate work of raising children
mircea_popescu: in your classical "ancient tribe in the caves" about 2/3 of the tribe did something.
decimation: well, that net catches a good portion of the us when considered in its wide sense
mircea_popescu: you, if your paycheck comes from the governent, YOU ARE NOT A WORKER.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares shitheads are called workers ?
mircea_popescu: people object to slave hard drives being called slave hard drives, in spite of the accuracy
decimation: well, they get paid
mircea_popescu: why exactly are these idiots called "workers" ?
mircea_popescu: "And those workers are different from the ones who decide whether or not to give out a free"
decimation: asciilifeform: not to mention you gotta setup a bureacracy so the people can grovel before it for trinkets: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/02/28/massachusetts-bureaucracy-gets-1-in-13-households-to-come-in-and-beg/
asciilifeform: (dropped here for the lulzrecord)
asciilifeform: ly assasisnate foreign leaders to destablilize small countries around you, and run drug running operations to generate even more revenue for more black projects, and tell your people its for their own security. Waterboard and torture your enemies and call them terrorists.'
asciilifeform: ourts and judges to pass laws to forbid everyone around you from killing, lying, enslaving or imprisoning people, and stealing, but make it all legal for you under different names. Congratulations, you have just founded a country,also known as a state! Go to war with other states, to get rid of surplus wealth and attempt to grab more land to tax more people, when you find an opportunity that they are weaker than you. Secret
asciilifeform: apons and back up your operation, because you're making more an more enemies, but that's okay, you have all the high tech weapons. Start passing laws to prohibit others from owning anything more than a rifle or shotgun, while you buy gunships and tanks and jets and cluster bombs. Hirer very intelligent people who are ready to sell out humanity in exchange for trinket amounts of wealth to fatten their own pockets. Setup c
asciilifeform: b: 'Build your own, so you too can become a state. Then build a prison to house it, and start capturing people, accusing them of shit, and holding them for ransom. Print lots of worthless IOUs and start paying for stuff with them, and extorting money from your neighbors to pay you with your own IOUs every year a tax on their land, or you will imprison and guilotine them. Use your growing wealth to stockpile more and more we
decimation: forward to 2:57ff to see the old dude scold some chick about 'war crimes'
decimation: linked from ascii's youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20 < Wehrmacht soldaten describing their point of view, and pride
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> idea is that they 'have the choice to surrender to usg' and didn't make it << myeah. they gotta be supported.
decimation has fond memories of downloading warez from tucows back in the day
mircea_popescu: and obviously, the usg doesn't like it. how surprising.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> no if you read the article, the 'startup' is actually a division of tucows, the domainame freeware site << you know twocows i actually like.
decimation: just like the same ones burden the death penalty with layers of bureaucracy and then claim that it's too unwieldy to use
decimation: asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: hidden execution in the US was that those who wanted to end all executions encouraged it so that they could then argue that it doesn't have a 'discouragement' effect on crime
decimation: thanks for the recommendation.
asciilifeform: specifically, how the purpose changed
asciilifeform: the books was actually about this
decimation: asciilifeform: note that keeping the execution behind closed doors greatly diminishes its intended effect to encourage the others
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 17:39:58; asciilifeform: so from this it follows that the current ceremony (injection with not-quite-poisons in an elaborate pseudo-medical setting) also symbolizes something about modern usa, re: national character.
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'
asciilifeform: because of the fundamental duplicity of totalitarian state
asciilifeform: even while it was still used, was hidden behind closed door for most of the 20th c
asciilifeform: ^ described, among other very interesting things, the decline & fall of the guillotine
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 00:39:01; *: asciilifeform has been enjoying 'Seeing Justice Done. The Age of Spectacular Capital Punishment in France.' (Paul Friedland.)
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't get why we don't still use the guillotine
nubbins`: man, i remember tucows from back when i had to buy a book to use the internet
nubbins`: if i wanna see a card trick, i don't want you to hold the deck face-up
nubbins`: wonder will the town wait to be sued before giving up subscriber info
decimation: yeah I guess that's the idea, but it seems dubious that usg will tolerate such behavior
assbot: Inside the 'Notorious' Canadian Internet Company Targeted by the US Government | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOFnfA )
decimation: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/inside-the-notorious-canadian-internet-company-targeted-by-the-us-government " As previously mentioned, Tucows landed on the US Trade Representative’s annual list of notorious markets due to the company’s practice of not responding to takedown requests from companies alleging that Tucows registers domains for sites selling illegal goods. This is despite the fact that a domain name registrar has
asciilifeform: verizomcast is doomed to play 'bad cop' to the 'good cop' of usgnet
decimation: " "We want to blow this thing up, and we want disruptive services at disruptive pricing," Robert Wack, Westminster's city council president, told me. "We've got Comcast and its usual suite of services, Verizon DSL, with its patchy service areas, and dish and satellite services. Nobody is happy with any of it, and none of it has the capacity we need to take this city into the future.""
decimation: no if you read the article, the 'startup' is actually a division of tucows, the domainame freeware site
asciilifeform: show me a town where anyone freely digs up the roads.
assbot: A Startup Offering Gigabit Fiber Is Expanding to a Second Comcast-Dominated City | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEpQt )
decimation: asciilifeform: re: conversation about neighborhood isp: turns out there is a town about an hour away from you that is attempting to provide its own gigabit fiber service: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-startup-offering-gigabit-fiber-is-expanding-to-a-second-comcast-dominated-city
mircea_popescu: just about at the 5ish nm level it takes over iirc
asciilifeform: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/barr.html << for folks who like to play with the numbers
asciilifeform: the short-distance (tunnel) on the other hand is one of the weapons by which 'moore's law' is dying - http://www.iue.tuwien.ac.at/phd/entner/node23.html
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asciilifeform: the long-distance one behaves exclusively like a pair of synched rng.
mircea_popescu: but then again in qm, your existence is not so distinct from your energy.
nubbins`: this is all the sort of thing i understand while reading it but don't really copy it over to long-term storage
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yes, something like that. as if you could only be right before or right after the door but not in between.
mircea_popescu: as a rule of thumb, the first occurs over tiny distances, the 2nd is distance-invariant
mircea_popescu: quantum entanglement is the property of two apparently distinct "particles" to share more than they should.
nubbins`: quantum tunneling is when i go outside but skip the door
mircea_popescu: anyway : quantum tunneling is the observed property of quantum "particles" to interact at a distance without ever interacting with whatever's separating their first position from the second.