mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062597 << that's just the tenth of it, but yes, a major reason this doesn't work.
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mircea_popescu: felipelalli http://trilema.com/2015/autotranslated-spam-for-the-lulz/ << here, for you.
asciilifeform: jurov: be careful with the ecc thing. many boards will take the dimms, but won't actually -use- ecc
jurov: no, just could not believe there is nothing avail
cazalla: plus the mods for btc-e chat are well known for trolling so who really knows
jurov: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/ i dug out this
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asciilifeform: but we all know where the train is going
asciilifeform: and is the 'younger son'
asciilifeform: trinque: amd is not 'angelic', it is simply behind the usg schedule because, elementary, smaller market share
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cazalla: danielpbarron: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/ << is this a qntra article? <<< as far as i could tell, it's just a screenshot from btc-e chat, nothing came from btc-e themselves on the website, twitter etc etc, btc-e's email server was down too so people couldn't confirm withdrawal, so nfi if that link is even factual
trinque: yep knew they're american, hence curiosity
asciilifeform: trinque: amd is, recall, also american. but it does not have the history of outright warfare against its customers, or the surreptitious collaboration with microshit, that intel does.
asciilifeform: there are how many manufacturers of amd boards with support for ecc ram? 2? 1?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the parts aren't getting any more findable.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: you don't say!
ben_vulpes: well a) marginal in that if you can hack an os x box, you are able to hack a linux or bsd box, and why prefer the consumer os to something designed for use by professionals
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 03:33:41; decimation: osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars
asciilifeform: i think the japanese call this situation 'uncanny valley'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has weird and very annoying quirks. just like actual unixen but not exactly, is the best description
mircea_popescu: ie, macos too stupid to run software ? or, not enough people actually running it to bother with ? or what ?
mircea_popescu: the reason you're not seeing "anything very objective" is because you don't know all sorts of things you don't know, and so they don't trigger for you. for instance : in a village where there's no bank, someone offering loans is one thing. in a town where banks exists and works, someone offering "loans" is called a loanshark.
asciilifeform: there are inexhaustible many similar machines -without sata- for around 2-3x the cost of 'pogo4'
asciilifeform: and the cheapest entirely equivalent machine i was able to find on the market, anywhere on planet, is roughly 4x the cost
nubbins`: reasons that include dumping the hardware below cost? ;p
asciilifeform: i have reasons to suspect that the pogo-4 is not long for this world
asciilifeform: nubbins`: get a mega-crate while they're still around
nubbins`: 2 more pogos on the way here
nubbins`: brew install ld64 pulls down the following file:
nubbins`: i know there is/was an "opendarwin" project
asciilifeform: i used to have a passing interest, long ago. but for all i know you have to sacrifice a son to the crocodile god to get blessing from cupertino to distribute 'app' now.
nubbins`: at least they point you in the direction of what to do should you choose to ignore dad advice
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asciilifeform: 'Apple does not support statically linked binaries on Mac OS X. A statically linked binary assumes binary compatibility at the kernel system call interface, and we do not make any guarantees on that front. Rather, we strive to ensure binary compatibility in each dynamically linked system library and framework.'
mod6: <+nubbins`> mod6 the rest of the issues seem to be differences between bsd/osx 'ld' and linux 'ld' << ah ok, yeah.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform is actually the flash
vorandrew: so this BTCJAM (or any other one way market)
vorandrew: thanks... the problem with p2p lending - it one sided market
thestringpuller: s/the/a
thestringpuller: felipelalli: the scam is that reputation is built nominally on btcjam vs. WoT
felipelalli: is *their
felipelalli: and I didn't find anything very objective, but I guess you're trying to find clues that points something is weird. But after using the system, you can understand for example how joke is they reputation system.
felipelalli: the same to your pharmacy example.
felipelalli: but sometimes is hard to point objectivally where is the "bomb" inside the car. Sometimes we have just some clues. And they'll know only after explode.
mircea_popescu: it "seems to be working" because placebo effect, a sugar pill "seems to be working", and then six months later guy with tb is dead of iodine poisoning or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the only similar situation i can imagine is self medication in medicine, where person goes to pharmacy swallows random pill for random ailment.
mircea_popescu: the fact that it's not intuitively obvious is not accidental, but part of the problem.
mircea_popescu: the main problem in commerce is that the most dangerous of these is the last, and the most readily identified by the consumer is the first.
nubbins`: mostly surrounding the static-build part of it, fwiw
mircea_popescu: felipelalli there's a difference between making cars as in, making a trabant, making cars as in, making a cardboard cut-out of a car, and making cars as in, making ford pintos, which explode killing their passengers.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: just one question mark: do you call fraud what does not have the "min. quality expected for that service" or something else?
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you for the answers and the link. I'll have a look on it before comment again.
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2014 17:49:10; mircea_popescu: "After scoring a major grant awarded by the Bitcoin Foundation, Coinpunks beta version is finally available. The project, which is being developed by the veteran startup founder Kyle Drake, intends to build the first fully open-source, self-hosted do-it-yourself Bitcoin wallet service that you can run on your own server."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2014#643118 << and since we're digging through logs... remember back when the scam foundation was "giving generous grants" ?
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#footnote_3_52853 <<< ahahaha.
mircea_popescu: whats the typo ?
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asciilifeform: re: bios: every portable computer i've opened in the past decade or so had the system bios stored in an eight-legged spi eeprom. one of the legs is a write-enable. in principle, not so hard to desolder & ground it.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2014 16:43:16; mircea_popescu: since you can by design make zero-delta bets, and since the fee is 1%... bitbet is partly the reason why mixer services sort-of died last year, i'd guess.
mircea_popescu: and where the heck's that 2013 bitbet discussion
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2014 02:34:16; mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out.
mircea_popescu: "The LightEater attack would take an unskilled attacker such as a maid or border guard two minutes of physical access to a target laptop."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: need the magic eyeglasses to see that point, apparently
mircea_popescu: "The point is less about how vendors don't fix the problems, and more how the vendors' fixes are going un-applied by users, corporations, and governments." << orly. how about the point is all about how "vendors" create bugs.
mircea_popescu: "them" addresses. so ?
asciilifeform: or, say, sr is busted and a number of addresses turns up there. then link between them and sr.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except when a man is sitting on a stake, and they have his decrypted wallet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no relation between addresses and identities.
mod6: i feel like the pogo is hugely important for getting a large amount of nodes out there with 0.5.3.1, that's really exciting.
mod6: yeah. ok. so supporting stuff like VAX/Amiga/SGI/Sparc etc are going to take time and resources ... maybe someday we get there, who knows. but first we just wanna get it working for like x86 obsd, and other Tier1 platforms first.
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mod6: but maybe someday we can get builds/patches created to build/configure for these seperate arch's. who knows.
mod6: eh, i'm not sure on VAX either. i've never used it. it doesn't look like boost supports it.
mod6: but others might have faster/better-luck/more knowledge on that than ole mod6
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mod6: im probably least clue'd on the mac side. if I had an environment to play on for a while, i could probably get it to work.
mod6: well, we'd have to spend some time just making sure we have the correct configure/compile flags set for openssl/bdb/boost and then create a patch or derivative of auto.sh for ppc-mac
mod6: danielpbarron: hmm. well, first, you'd have to get the libs to build for the correct arch. does mac still use ppc? thought it was x86? but either way, you get the libs built, and then there might be some tweaks that can be done to get the makefile into shape for osx or w/e.
mod6: <+nubbins`> so 0.5.3.1 auto.sh will compile everything up to bitcoind itself << ah! ok. log/breadcrumbs help here : log output with uname -a and other important info is good to capture for a solid bug report.
mod6: <+funkenstein_> some testing notes for mod6 http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << thanks for the testing notes!
asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to recite the proverbial 'if it hurts, don't do that' doctoring.
nubbins`: then i guess you better not use bit(bet/coin)
asciilifeform: the info on, e.g., 'bitbet' www, -could- be random garbage - but it -isn't-
asciilifeform: random thug is going to make randomly unsubstantiated claims << here lies the boojum. it isn't unsubstantiated. mr thug is looking for which arse to stuff the soldering iron in, rather than trying to prove something to a jury
asciilifeform: not interested in persuading thugs of anything through any method other than clubbing to death << what exterminator do i call. we're overrun.
asciilifeform: list tim draper's stash as the output? his coins will be ruined << no, they won't. because he's aryan.
asciilifeform: the "this is just text on a betting website" doesn't get the 'electric anthill' any further from your anus << aha. this was also my objection, if anyone recalls.
mircea_popescu: not that any of these are critical, but yes, some hopes are fun to ruin.
mircea_popescu: hence the bitbet model, hence the reusing of addresses etc etc, numerous specific measures to hinder the little solace idiots a la power rangers etc are trying to give the "defungibilize bitcoin" party.
nubbins`: <+Adlai> there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
Adlai: in the case of 'taint', it's: treat bitcoin as fungible, but don't make life easier for those who don't
nubbins`: do you measure your other-cheek-turning in x1000 rpm or what?
trinque: look at how she was dressed; the slut was asking for it -> niqab
mircea_popescu: what you're describing is the exact avenue to encourage terrorism.
nubbins`: geez, where'd the counter-argument go
Adlai: one approach to combating terrorism is to refuse to be terrorized, on a societal level. another, on an individual level, is not to "ask for it". these are not mutually exclusive.
nubbins`: this is like pasting up a leaflet that says "main street intersects 3rd avenue" and then arguing that's the intersection you lost your wallet, even though the map says impossible
mircea_popescu: i guess it's "good for the economy". heck, they're tracking "uniques", for all the good that did anyone. we still have to see the extra ounce of soap or w/e that was sold because of it, but hey.
mircea_popescu: let 'em "profile" until they fall over.
mircea_popescu: Adlai never interrupt the enemy while he's making a mistake.
nubbins`: Adlai a random website taking two random unlinked transactions and placing them side-by-side on a random page does not constitute even the /scent/ of proof
Adlai: if you know that an enemy is profiling you, one approach is simply to evade the profile
mircea_popescu: obviously whatever random thug is going to make randomly unsubstantiated claims and pretend like they hold water. so what of it ?
nubbins`: show me where the "winnings" were transferred
mircea_popescu: so then why is ANY oif it relevant lol.
mircea_popescu: cause i am really not interested in persuading thugs of anything through any method other than clubbing to death.
Adlai: not if he doesn't touch the winnings
nubbins`: so then why don't we just ask mp to create a dummy bet page, and list tim draper's stash as the output?
Adlai: the "..." *defense
Adlai: the "this is just text on a betting website" doesn't get the 'electric anthill' any further from your anus
trinque: RagnarDanneskjol | trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. << no problemo; deedbot- works for me
Adlai: there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt that after he ignored the "if one wins now you've gotta taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track." bit he's in a position to grok this one, but hey.
nubbins`: does that mean they exist?
nubbins`: i could just create a static copy of bitbet w/ a web crawler and create all the "links" i want
nubbins`: so now you're left with... some random betting website that says the two addresses are owned by the same entity, with no further evidence to back it up
Adlai: no, here's the link: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b2
nubbins`: examine the first "no" bet, which won 0.05280995 btc
mircea_popescu: i understand what you are saying, and i also understand why it's stupid. you have the option to pretend like you don't see it, or not. nothing i can do thar.
mircea_popescu: the "signing history" is entirely meaningless. the TOTAL information it conveys is already conveyed, and spent. there is NO MORE in there, at all, nothing whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: uniquely among dumb implementation of "smart contracts", this doesn't even involve the actual parties to the txn, but third parties.
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Adlai: it's much more complicated than a single number, same as you can't scalarize "trust" - but taint as i've defined it exists, in the blockchain - outside of the mind.
Adlai: a better word for this could be "signing history", but whatever it is, it exists. you can ask what the history of any utxo is, and you get a graph of signatures
Adlai: ok, what i'm calling "taint" is the tree constructed by recursively collecting the inputs that led in to each utxo
Adlai: no. you're confusing between value in the minds of people holding a bill, and fingerprints on its surface. one exists in the mind, the other is evidence. it could be misleading evidence, but it is there.
mircea_popescu: like any other stereotype, like the nigger thief/rapist, the dumb woman, the jew cooking christian children etc, it "exists" in the minds of the stupid,
mircea_popescu: yes, some idiots have trouble with reality, replace it with neurosis. this to the detriment of them and anyone trusting them.
Adlai: but whether or not it's meaningful to a specific incident, it still exists
Adlai: taint in as meaningful as the person you're trying to do business with thinks it is
mircea_popescu: but really, the notion of taint is only recurring because people are stupid, and do not wish to think. otherwise, taint is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: Adlai didja eat dumb this morning ? i put 100 btc on one side, of your taint, and 100 btc on the other side, you don't know about. if one wins now you've gotta taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track.
mircea_popescu: some idiots can't cope otherwise.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of "lalala taint doesn't exit". taint exists exactly as much and exactly for the reasons god "exists"
mircea_popescu: you really should read the logs, this was discussed ad nauseam.
Adlai: let's say i've identified a certain address A as coins that are "not welcome here". i see it move coin to address B, so i sniff around and notice that B is a deposit address on bitbet, with winnings going to C. i add C to the list of unwelcome money.
mircea_popescu: not sure why we put it in, but i think it was the usual "customer request" stuff
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dun recall one either.
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> how is that any good? if you know somebody's betting address, you can see their winnings on the site << not how that works.
kakobrekla: i dont recall if there ever was an approved one
kakobrekla: also, there are none.
nubbins`: at which point incompatibilities in ld crop up and grind the thing to a halt
mats: there are private bets
Adlai: how is that any good? if you know somebody's betting address, you can see their winnings on the site
Adlai: the next difficulty adjustment is critical
Adlai: dogecoin rallied after they added css3 moon rocket upvote animations
thestringpuller: smoke and mirrors make the derps go oooh and ahh
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mircea_popescu: ;;google "Legion Theory"
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nubbins`: i like these guys
nubbins`: "This second pillar of Legion Theory might appear to be an unnecessary complication to our model. Dare we say, an “intellectual wank”. "
mircea_popescu: about as sensible as the "paradise" of xtians, or ragnarok or w/e.
mircea_popescu: and yes the brain's not a leviathan. nothing is. that only exists as a first line of fantasy, no place ever worked like that except in the bookish literotica of state-wankers.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, people working on computational theories of human intelligence are basically correct and broadly irrelevant, yes people who were working on this 30 years ago are too stupiud to follow it, because hey, they didn't grow up with a computer, like i did, and yes culture consists of a lot of fleas and relatively little treasures.
funkenstein_: We're beginning to come to grips with the idea that your brain is not this well-organized hierarchical control system where everything is in order, a very dramatic vision of bureaucracy. <-- i liked that part
mircea_popescu: there's some reasonable if banal shit floating around in a sea of very annoying nonsense. wtf is "out of whack" even supposed to mean, and since when is an ipad a better model of computing than a desktop.
mircea_popescu: http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind << you know this is easily the most disjointed, ridiculous and overall pointless piece of crap. "out of whack" three times ? the whole thing's an exercise in content-free derpage.
nubbins`: i'm not sure that's the word you're looking for
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is the local numismatist
funkenstein_: so no bitcoin numismatics then? 2 BTC for my coin which was mined in 2010?
mircea_popescu: "how about you fill in the paperwork while i keep on being in charge."
mircea_popescu: but this is exactly it, usg trying to insert itself into the process by "blessing bitcoins"
nubbins`: i wonder will they halt withdrawals when draper's stolen SR bitcoins start moving to exchanges?
mircea_popescu: no one ever will survive trying to make one bitcoin unequal to another bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem a terribly legit reason to stop withdrawals, who knows if they're piggybacking on it to excuse their own failure.
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assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 12:59:54; mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zqrqe/update_on_my_foia_request_for_the_first_us/ >> "Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 16.8(d) and (f) , we initiated business submitter notification procedures.to provide the winning bidder (Tim Draper) an opportunity to object to disclosure of the purchase price. Mr. Draper submitted written objections to disclosure. "
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062107 << moving eh ? all the better.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 07:35:50; cazalla: mircea_popescu: im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen. <<< pete_dushenski, PeterL might be interested, personally i think while nubbins` would do a great job, it's something i would look at once, put in cupboard and forget about
nubbins`: Tetra113 what is "them"?
Tetra113: so nubbins` where did you buy them?
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 22:02:49; danielpbarron: one of the best places to get like-new Bibles is a used book store
nubbins`: generally, one gets in on shares by buying them
mircea_popescu: the crash is only important if it can be used to poison the stack. otherwise... it's just annoying.
nubbins`: on the surface, it looks like a plain kettle-stitch binding, with the addition of those stress strips
mircea_popescu: ahh, the sweet innocence of presnowden.
mircea_popescu: "In fact, all the boring normal bugs are _way_ more important, just because
mircea_popescu: ie, we've built a much larger % of the computers that could be than there's been people alive as a % of the people that could be.
mircea_popescu: i wonder idly if anyone even realises that the turing machine space has by now been explored MUCH more in depth than the human genetic space, for instance.
mircea_popescu: the monkeys ain't going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: you'd be amazed how many monkeys click the blue e, too.
nubbins`: (you'd be amazed how many people who don't know what DNS stands for know what it does these days)
nubbins`: given that more people are familiar with changing DNS servers as a result of wanting to watch american netflix, you'll see the turnaround on these things get shorter
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla used to work in china. for the first coupla years.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know just like who ? just like putin, except not the real one, the factitious version that "is holding country back" jurov was talking about.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno man, to me it's the crowning achievement of a particular sort of technopunk, which is what 50 years of soviet industry really is.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i don't get it, is the french govt running an isp ?!