mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with jurisdictions discussed recentlier is deeper than it seems. plenty of usians do not think other places are "real places".
asciilifeform: 'Kazakhstan! greatest country in the world! all other countrys are run by little girls...' (tm)
PeterL: this is the best country evar, why would I leave?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just sayin', doesn't occur to them.
asciilifeform: or whether such a thing even makes sense
mircea_popescu: but o may gawd, leaving THE COUNTRY, unthinkable.
mircea_popescu: really it should be "leave the states and eat ... to your fill".
mircea_popescu: hence the idiocy of "eat nothing else but ...."
mircea_popescu: people still stuck in the soup get at the margins various such desperate cries from body.
mircea_popescu: im 100% sure this is where all the "Fad diet" stuff comes from too.
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mircea_popescu: sadly i don't have the patience or the tools to actually get into the microchemistry of it
mircea_popescu: i think it was either a protein or fat that was needed for god knows what. because phase passed.
asciilifeform looks for al schwartz's table of plant toxins; can't find at the moment, but recalls that chickpeas were near the top for something or other
mircea_popescu: one chick went through a chickpea phase where she ate > 100 cans over about a year. half of it within the first season.
mircea_popescu: then after a year or two as the body re-learns to associate food with micronutrients - all sorts of urges, as it approaches various layers of problems
ben_vulpes: what are the limiting reactants?
mircea_popescu: in general, you gotta overfeed to lose weight. because the only way the body is even touching some of that stuff is if the liver is full of all sorts of micronutrients to render it with
mircea_popescu: but you can readily notice the pure chemical osmotic source of "weight gain" when the woman eats 50% more calories and loses weight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all the classical symptoms of light poisoning.
mircea_popescu: not even malnutrition. simple sane diet will make the woman sick, anemic, the works.
asciilifeform: and malnutrition turns the organism uniquely underequipped to deal with the released crud.
asciilifeform: on account of various strange in their american diet
ben_vulpes: what's the gist, though
ben_vulpes: i'm unfamiliar with this hypothesis
asciilifeform: that weren't there in '40s
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is a hypothesis that this will not happen this time around. because of sudden release of fat-soluble poisons
ben_vulpes: you've seen the auschwitz photos...
ben_vulpes: by the time the corpses are available, they'll have scavenged their own fat prior to dying.
asciilifeform firmly convinced that there are no entirely useless things in this world
asciilifeform: then diesel.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what they claim in fight club, best fat base is like, various nut oils etc.
mircea_popescu: i know a girl that makes soaps and stuff. she wouldn't touch the coarse stuff.
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asciilifeform: (rendering various organisms for soap, a growth industry in the near future)
PeterL: once a few more stocks show up on the exchange
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was thinking about a hypothetical larger world where there are many worthwhile things
ben_vulpes: no, my hypothesis is that the current us style of "just stick the money in the market and get returns" is slated for the guillotine under the new regime.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: so is your hypothesis that allocating btc between investments is so difficult and/or uninteresting that no one can do it for you for a fee and there still be anything left over to work with ?
ben_vulpes: am i misusing these terms?
felipelalli: Let me ask one think out of the context: isn't gpg contract useless without some "proof of existence", published in Blockchain, e.g.?
asciilifeform: PeterL: where most of the things i take an interest in actually happened.
asciilifeform: PeterL: have you looked at open access journals like http://www.hindawi.com/ ? << even if, through divine intervention, everyone suddenly began to publish there (they won't) - this doesn't solve the 20th century
PeterL: but you can passively invest with a broker who is in the WoT
ben_vulpes: this "passive investment" routine is a holdover from the fiat days.
ben_vulpes: for their own continued health.
felipelalli: danielpbarron: I'm trying to convince some of them to use OTC system at least.
PeterL: do the speak english?
felipelalli: And it makes more impersonal and passive. Instead to make a spam asking for money to your family and friends (active and personal), you can just publish the list (passive and impersonal) and anyone can invest if they want, or just ignore. Like 5 people I know personally invest their first 30% and the rest was "friends of friends". It just worked to me because I had a good "outside WoT".
felipelalli: They were just like a tool to make easy contact 30 friends at the same time, and make it in 5 min. (actually in this 30 friends there were friends of friends, like level 2 in WoT))
felipelalli: Actually it was easy to find red flags in the lists. Unfortunately their system does not help that much, but if you are smart, you can see the clues.
felipelalli: But I could easily be found there. And I have personal friends there, that I know it is a secure investment. That's why I only had profit, very few lost.
felipelalli: and, of course, 4) there are better investments than BTCJam to you.
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: I thought it was a global problem, but I learned here that: 1) there are rich guys (you guys) that really don't care about it. 2) there are guys with rich friends :) 3) your interest rate are ridiculous cheap. BTCJam really don't solve anything to you.
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: aha, that's why all the butthurt
Pierre_Rochard: Pierre_Rochard: I think the worst credit cards run for 2% per month, 30 yr fixed rate mortgage with good credit will cost you 0.33% per month
felipelalli: PeterL: sorry, the question was to Pierre_Rochard
felipelalli: PeterL: what is the rate per month you can get where you live? I heard it is much less than here.
felipelalli: I had never thought that they did not deserve even taken seriously, but it seems to make sense.
felipelalli: I'm sure I could set 2% rate or less and my list would be fund, because my reputation in Brazilian bitcoin community is very good. But now I have no choice rather than get 3.5% calculated like magic by them. That's why I was disgusted. I would write an article about that, but after talking with you guys in this channel I was unmotivated.
PeterL: asciilifeform: on the topic of browsing lit, have you looked at open access journals like http://www.hindawi.com/ ?
felipelalli: But now, BTCJam simply eliminated the free market where the user could choose its own interest rate (and let it free to investors fund or not), and they automagically calculate the interest rate. With this new rule, I can get by 3.5% per month. That is not a huge problem for me, actually, I was using this more like a test. But they simply buried the "service". Even if it was a zombie's forehead shot.
felipelalli: Itaú normal interest rate: 7% PER MONTH. My interest rate in Itaú (because I am an old client): 4.8%. BTCJam: 2.8%. It makes a huge difference when you calculate the compound interest per year.
felipelalli: right lists, and the right rates. I really want to understand better why you guys dislike it so much. In my country the interest rates are very high. In my bank, for example, I can get a loan with 7% per month MIN! APR 125% and in BTCJam I made some tests and I could get my first loand with 3% per month (42% APR) and then the second 2.8% (39% APR). The loan is so fucking high in bank that I can say like mircea_popescu said: "we are
felipelalli: vorandrew: you said "you repay all year just to get max rating" << no, no. The service does not work like that. Actually, if you get too many loans your score can decrease. The score is very bad implemented / executed yet, but it is not SO bad like that. And 660K BTC? Well, they played in TOTAL until today 44K BTC. Total. I like the idea of P2P lending: it is not the most secure investment ever but at least is fun play choosing the
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: "felipelalli it actually already works like that." << what exactly "works like that"? Sorry, I couldn't link it. --- And thanks for the links, I'll read it.
felipelalli: thestringpuller: but "the repayment rate" does not depends (also) on the investor? He can choose the investments he wants to make. I was being lucky, or I made good choices.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: "felipelalli it actually already works like that." << what exactly "works like that"? Sorry, I couldn't link it. --- And thanks for the links, I'll read it.
felipelalli: thestringpuller: but "the repayment rate" does not depends (also) on the investor? He can choose the investments he wants to make. I was being lucky, or I made good choices.
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pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/14/the-world-is-fundamentally-hostile/#comment-13298 << heh. 'what makes me superior ?'
pete_dushenski: one of the trickier conversations to break up, i admit, but it's a little better now.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the quoted log in your post reads with great difficulty because of the choice of snips
pete_dushenski: but as i said earlier, reading comprehension would be the most valuable for my purposes
pete_dushenski: i really don't know any other german speakers with whom to converse
pete_dushenski: on the spendier side, there's always rosetta stone, but having someone to speak to other than my mother would be nice
pete_dushenski: trinque: haha i actually did a few lessons on there ! back when i started 'sabbatical'
trinque: barely toddler level, but the app's fun
pete_dushenski: in german, i have hello, goodbye, sorry, counting to 10, and a few other random words
decimation: asciilifeform: I know that the german chemical industry was also generally transported to usg
asciilifeform is not convinced that there was anything interesting in 'nazi academia' that we aren't already using in consumer tech (german chemical work, mostly, manufacturing techniques)
pete_dushenski: unrelated: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/21/cool-hand-luke/ << asciilifeform did i get the right grigorenko ??
asciilifeform: unfortunately pete_dushenski is right about the unavailability in english of most of the interesting material.
pete_dushenski: *there was
pete_dushenski: my digging was more concentration camp focused, but i guess you bring up a good point that there's was a huge breadth of inquiry at the time
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: plus the post-war rescue of virtually all of the weirdos (most famously von braun but many others)
pete_dushenski: what other cooperation do you refer to ?
asciilifeform: (not because it included superweapons but to conceal the amount of u.s.-nazi cooperation from day one)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: all the good stuff was taken to usa and is, for the most part, still secret
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: speaking here of the longitudinal studies of adopted children in usa
asciilifeform: but of the absolutely first-rate, never-equalled academic work
asciilifeform: trinque: not speaking of the rusty rockets at all
asciilifeform: the folks not dead of drink have been driving cabs in nyc for so long as to have put their generative years firmly behind.
trinque: asciilifeform: silos are still there, as far as I know
asciilifeform: where is soviet physics? mathematics ?
asciilifeform: the 'fine things of life' invariably are destroyed in a proper collapse.
trinque: but to think none of them are, that's naive
trinque: lockheed martins and googles are what I expect to remain in the ashes
PeterL: I wonder if google is cacheing the info on servers outside the US, so they could outlast a US collapse?
decimation: I like moldbug's theory: those 'with a brain' are generally engaged in spending all their time battling each other
decimation: I don't buy that there is a meta-google
trinque: they'll be powerful for a long time.
trinque: asciilifeform's two govts observation about the US I think applies to Googles as well
asciilifeform: say what you like about library of alexandria, but usenet '85-'2000 was home to virtually all of the technically competent folks who exist today.
decimation: the assumption of competence when it comes to a big bureaucracy is generally a poor one
asciilifeform: trinque: they bought up the dejanews optical disks. and i'm be rather surprised if they didn't still have them.
trinque: quip above about the fall was that I'm sure inside google it's easy to access all this information, regardless of what levers the external surface has
asciilifeform: i still can't tell if it was mere neglect, or shitgnomery, or specifically the folks who posted silly things on usenet in the '80-'90s are trying to run for political office, or what.
asciilifeform: then - at all
decimation: 'deja news' was kinda like the original 'stack overflow' in terms of its usefulness to troubleshooting common computer issues
asciilifeform: trinque: it's in there, as far as i can tell, but quietly stopped being searchable a year or so ago
decimation: trinque: in the olden days it was expected your local isp would provide a usenet server and collect archives
PeterL: I used a couple "google groups" for a while, before I moved up to the bitcoinTalk forum
trinque: asciilifeform: is the situation that google bought deja news then didn't put up the whole archive?
asciilifeform: but i happen to live here. and to me the availability of this or that piece of dead tree - matters.
asciilifeform: i kinda wish i could think myself into the mindset of 'immortal olympian' that way
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will fill in for him and observe that library of alexandria burning is no loss, when cockroaches evolve and replace man they will rediscover everything.
asciilifeform: in the course of which most of it would be destroyed
asciilifeform: the only way it could really change hands is physical conquest of entire continent
asciilifeform: trinque: see their usenet archive to learn what happens to material that the 1990s-birthdayed morons don't give a damn about
asciilifeform: it's as uninteresting as the fact that the author might still have it on some ancient 8mm tape
asciilifeform: decimation: they have almost everything
trinque: there are a few attempts at doing it with a shitty alt-coin
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trinque: asciilifeform: I have long wanted a system where member nodes can all publish wads 'o gpg stuff, peers don't know the contents of the wad, give each-other redundancy
asciilifeform: and if it is ever there, it will almost certainly be because i will have found the time to scan it & post it.
asciilifeform: it isn't there
trinque: part of the interest for me working on deedbot- was to see how hard the next thing would be, publishing magnet link hashes, dht keys, something like that
asciilifeform: to anyone who ever wondered about what the net would look like if it were controlled by publishers, rather than telecoms: it would look like the academia web.
asciilifeform: we don't have a mechanism for producing the good stuff separately, yet.
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will have to fill in for him and point out that yes, 99.9999% percent of the material is crud
asciilifeform: and generally the answer is 'constantly'
asciilifeform: the frustration of the activity is directly proportional to how often i end up 'following a dead link' - that is, trying to access something - anything - referred to in any work, and finding out that it isn't in the collection or i'm not cleared for it
trinque: nor the interest
trinque: PeterL: depends on licensing I guess; I don't have the bankroll to get into any copyright battles for anyone
asciilifeform: but this is a case of 'the spittoon'
decimation: sure, or at least a hash/pointer to the same
PeterL: all the articles asciilifeform wants to read later
asciilifeform: decimation: the authors virtually never see any positive cashflow
PeterL: new #B-A need: print off all the articles and store in a library
asciilifeform: and if it takes ww3 to eliminate the reasons for this - then i am enthusiastically in favour of ww3.
decimation: but that was when only people who knew wtf they were doing could even read
asciilifeform: to 'shorten the ooda loop'
asciilifeform: the whole point of a library, originally (ancient and medieval worlds) was so you don't have to write to phriend across the sea 'please send me work xxxxx' and get it two years later when you forget what it was even for
decimation: and then if patsy discovers the volume/paper/whatever wasn't useful, how do you think they will react?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mildly surprised there's no market for os-free laptops of somewhat rugged construction << iirc the term of art is 'lemon market'
asciilifeform: most of the time when i go to that library it isn't even for a specific rational purpose
asciilifeform: speaking of the online stuff, really
PeterL: you grep the dead trees?
asciilifeform: rather than 'fetch me XXXXX'
asciilifeform: (who would put it there, and why?)
asciilifeform: because 'anyone who's anyone can read on www' or the like.
asciilifeform: because even the things still issued in print - many of the print subscriptions at this place were allowed to lapse
asciilifeform: there has been a very sharp decline in the past few yrs in what i am able to access at the library
nubbins`: even if you could read 'em online, look what happens if you read them too fast
asciilifeform: and i pay actual money just to be permitted in the library
PeterL: asciilifeform:and to the extent it isn't a problem, it is solely because academia is mostly dead as a going concern << and here I go trying to get back into it :(
PeterL: decimation: in fact, it makes things worse, because they can positively identify to whom 'reading privileges' belong << people share files, right?
decimation: in fact, it makes things worse, because they can positively identify to whom 'reading privileges' belong
PeterL: btw, I'm a couple days behind in the logs
PeterL: asciilifeform:the same folks who were paying the parasites (i will not call them publishers, they withhold only - performing not a single one of the traditional functions of a publishing house save the physical printing) - will continue to pay. << what is this "physical printing"? everything is online now
PeterL: it's the only place close enough to be commutable
decimation: the issue is that it might suck if you don't run osx
decimation: they might not have sata drives, you might need an ata ssd
nubbins`: breathed some new life into it
nubbins`: planning for the future, yo
pete_dushenski: well then why stop
nubbins`: who knows how they were treated
pete_dushenski: glued battery wasn't there 3 years ago
decimation: well, the 'plastic body' fails almost everything
trinque: my cellphone gets too close to this machine and the display starts flickering, disk remounts read-only
nubbins`: i honestly abhor the idea of a plastic laptop
decimation: my recommendation is you purchase a laptop on the 'coreboot' list & flash your own bios
nubbins`: otherwise, your choices are (a) give MS $25 or (b) fuck off
trinque: asciilifeform tells me there are no trustworthy components with which to re-do the garage build, and I don't doubt him
decimation: which explains the need to sell 10k watches, and cars, bespoke helicopters, etc
nubbins`: mildly surprised there's no market for os-free laptops of somewhat rugged construction
decimation: the argument being that even if every 'middle class' person in the world purchased a new apple device they would still only be 'holding steady'
pete_dushenski: decimation: new product offerings grow their pie just as well
trinque: decimation: the apple watch gadget etc
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: not since the state stuck its fingers in
nubbins`: *i* won't buy it, but since when does the market cater to rational actors?
trinque: sure, that was my reaction to the latest win10 signed boot bullshit
nubbins`: it's their hw/sw
trinque: nubbins`: heh, I tend to argue the contrary
nubbins`: <+trinque> decimation: a friend of mine always says it's a matter of time before they remove the terminal entirely <<< a friend of mine says obummer is a reptilian
decimation: on the other hand, perhaps apple is just trying to 'enumerate goodness' in its 'forced wot'
decimation: right, but apple just wants you to know that it sees what you are doing there...
decimation: nubbins`: that's still the case
nubbins`: decimation a couple releases ago (maybe 1-2), the default behaviour for applications downloaded by "unknown developers" requires you to right-click,open
decimation: yes, the path is obvious
trinque: decimation: a friend of mine always says it's a matter of time before they remove the terminal entirely
trinque: you make your own self-signed cert then flip a setting that allows you to run such things
trinque: whether this much fuckery should be involved aside, it can be done
decimation: now, perhaps I was just unaware of the proper method of 'unsigning' someone else's code, but it wasn't an obvious feature if it existed
decimation: the developer in question had already made a deal with apple to publish the app apparently. I couldn't even compile my own version unsigned for my own personal use
decimation: asciilifeform: I tried to compile an 'open source' app using the osx devel tool once
asciilifeform: (some newer cars can actually be reflashed through the music player, famously.)
nubbins`: been fermenting on the counter for 6 days
asciilifeform: actually i have no idea if flashable. could very well be. but no vendor upgrade has ever been released, nor is there any obvious means of applying one
nubbins`: ^ homemade kimchi on the menu tonite
nubbins`: they shoulda made it reflashable!
asciilifeform: incidentally, buggy+nonflashable is common as dirt. my car, for instance, has a buggy cabin thermostat controller.
nubbins`: those drives, you prolly can't reflash the fw 8)
trinque: not that it avoids any other diddled components
trinque wonders what relevance running from ramdisks might have to the situation involving hd firmware
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/autotranslated-spam-for-the-lulz/
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asciilifeform: http://www.servethehome.com/unbuffered-registered-ecc-memory-difference-ecc-udimms-rdimms << likbez re: ecc & buffering
asciilifeform: (ddr3 is the type of dram affected by 'rowhammer')
asciilifeform: though i'm uncertain re: whether ddr3 even exists in buffered-ecc variant
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