cazalla: i got part way through season 2 and didn't bother going any further.. the wire is the most overrated series evar
mircea_popescu: And studied all their OPSEC and legalities of what to say
mircea_popescu: i've been saying plenty about it, here and on the blog
mircea_popescu: not the throat tho
mircea_popescu doesn't really do this entire private thing. ask him here, it's what the here is for after all.
felipelalli: The mine was about Bitcoin :)
decimation: I think there were a few trilema posts on this point
decimation: mises & hayek were (classical) liberal statists in the final analysis
asciilifeform: felipelalli: the one whose sign levitates ?
decimation: outflanking usg from the left is a common pattern worldwide
mircea_popescu: of course, exactly how the color revolution's gonna go...
asciilifeform knows this. theoretically.
mircea_popescu: if they pack it and leave everyone else's reduced to hunting wooly mamooths with bows and arrows.
mircea_popescu: anyway, brazil's actually in a better position in sa than the us is in na.
mircea_popescu: decimation one that got pretty well corrupted at the petrobras trough
mircea_popescu: something like that, yeah. fucking scary by the looks of it.
felipelalli: BTCJam CEO is a Brazilian by the way
mircea_popescu: decimation you seen that btw ? delma found herself with like 2mn people in the capital.
mircea_popescu: for the howeverth time.
decimation: the 10 year treasuries are just under 2% in usd
felipelalli: this what they call APR
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the interest rates, there was a discussion recently, and no, business rates aren't per month, you want to pay what, 3ish% a year or some shit.
mircea_popescu: it's an accident, and from the equity perspective, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
mircea_popescu: and this is incidentally why i said earlier that they are not a business in the first place. it doesn't fucking matter what "others think". others don'tthink, others bray. thinking is above. and the thinking is, it takes two days for them to lose half the userbase that matters.
mircea_popescu: visible across the whole spectrum, how do you think myspace went from selling for a billion to turner to selling for 18 mn or w/e it sold off to.
mircea_popescu: and so then you leave, and so they lost like, one of the two guys that actually did something, and that's the end of it.
mircea_popescu: but for them, going from a 70 aggregate to a 100 aggregate is a net gain.
mircea_popescu: if they change it like they did, willy nilly it's 0.02 per, which comes to... 100. which is more.
mircea_popescu: that's it. the 500 sums up to 70 value.
mircea_popescu: there's another 48 dudes who are kinda derpy but still useful, their avg "wot added value is 1 each.
mircea_popescu: now, out of those 500, there's like ... 2 ike you. your "wot added value" is say 10 each.
mircea_popescu: well yes : suppose they have 500 users, which is about where intel puts it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063240 << actually, yes, i do. do you understand why they did that ?
mircea_popescu: felipelalli has the opportunity to become a sort of speaker for the dead as it were, for a certain set of dead.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the wot system is that it readily fragments, and whoever bridges bridges.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:50:53; PeterL: do the speak english?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063235 << there really isn't much requirement to speak any particular language or anything.
mircea_popescu: there are market forces pushing things certain ways and into certain niches, invisible hand and al lthat.
trinque: felipelalli: there was a previous iteration which I will soon dump the history into the present incarnation
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:26:33; felipelalli: and, of course, 4) there are better investments than BTCJam to you.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation.
felipelalli: trinque: why only 6 docs? Is that a new service, isn't it used that much or it is only the current day?
decimation: as I recall, colossus was the first fully electric computer, built by Flowers at the proto-gchq
gribble: Plankalkül - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plankalk%C3%BCl>; Plankalkul | computer language | Encyclopedia Britannica: <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/725632/Plankalkul>; Konrad Zuse - ACM Digital Library: <http://dl.acm.org/ft_gateway.cfm?id=290591&type=pdf>
asciilifeform: built out of phone exchange relays, in his mother's kitchen, iirc
mircea_popescu: ah yes, the v's.
felipelalli: !rate trinque 1 "the dwarf behind deedbot"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you mean the v-s?
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm not certain they were wrong
felipelalli: trinque: are you the dwarf behind him, han? :)
decimation: mpi-fg-koeln.mpg.de/pu/mpifg_book/mpifg_bd_36.pdf > " Einen Antrag zur Förderung einer elektronischen Nachfolgeversion der Z-3, den sein Mit- arbeiter Elektroingenieur Helmut Schreyer stellte, lehnte die deutsche Reichsregierung als »nicht kriegswichtig« ab (Petzold 1985: 316). " They tried to get the nazi gov to pay for the advancement of the Z-3, but it was deemed "not war-worthy"
felipelalli: trinque: now deedbot- will contact me sending the URL to blockchain published doc?
trinque: consider, the page has shitloads of html, is not raw text...
felipelalli: the doc was accepted, but and now?
mircea_popescu: think in terms of women, easier to think. "is this the right woman for me, for my life ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much irrelevant drudgery is the right amount? would we have more newtoniana if he had broken rocks at butugychag for p % of his day ?
asciilifeform: wasn't trying to describe a management method, but simply banal observation that kepler's day job (forget mine) is to be counted on the -sad- part of the ledger
trinque: hey lookie there
mircea_popescu: it would seem to me you are managing like an illusionist not like a manager, which is to say, comparing with some sort of null hypothesis / god's footsteps / whatever.
mircea_popescu: the proper form is, "here's the problem, here are 3 solutions, which do we pick", and he should fucking know this by now.
mircea_popescu: if an underlying comes to me with "here's the problem, what should we do", i fire him.
mircea_popescu: the burning question, however, is why do you think your seeing is the pivot of this matter.
mircea_popescu: "what's the use of square rooting to me!"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck should i know, and what difference does it make you don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least formally this irritates me, because it's the ancient "la ce-mi serveste mie radicalurile" sophomore complaint.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 00:52:58; asciilifeform: and am i the only one who actually checks sigs
mircea_popescu: maybe you have a point there.
asciilifeform: i don't see the inevitable dichotomy between 'world flooded with shit' and 'arbeit macht frei'
asciilifeform: shoot the shit producers, problem solved
mircea_popescu: so, this given : i dun care who dun like it, i'd rather have silence than the motherfucking deluge of shit
mircea_popescu: if you persecute gays, you fuck up turing. if you don't, you end up with that transhumanist singer-songwriter with the turkey hairdo schmuck.
asciilifeform wasn't even trying to sway anyone. but must point out the dismal history.
mircea_popescu: i am not going to be swayed by examples, for the following reason : of course you're going to lose something.
asciilifeform: so they didn't really need computer.
mircea_popescu: before you get to think you get to have "ideas" you must do sufficient useful work to support yourself with. whether you do it in a year or a decade or over rest of your life, your choice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me put it another way, maybe it washes better.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:06:05; felipelalli: Itaú normal interest rate: 7% PER MONTH. My interest rate in Itaú (because I am an old client): 4.8%. BTCJam: 2.8%. It makes a huge difference when you calculate the compound interest per year.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063202 << check it out, Pierre_Rochard gets the cookie for having asked the right question. i finally understand what felipelalli's usecase actually was.
decimation: the nazi gov. was too dumb to fund it though, or apply it to obvious uses
mircea_popescu: this, mind, isn't jus comptuer. computer is the adjunct.
mircea_popescu: there's no nazi fold@home. know why ?
mircea_popescu: and yes experiment is entirely unworkable without it. there's no nazi genome sequence variant. know why ?
asciilifeform: think this way: consider the palpable progress in chemical industry 1900-40
mircea_popescu: you don't need rocks for anything either, can just throw your own shit
asciilifeform: you don't actually -need- gas chromatograph for anything, in the sense of experiment being entirely unworkable without it
asciilifeform: because everything they can do, traditional analytic chem can also do
mircea_popescu: you can'treally use them by hand.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, pretty much nobody used these for the first 20 or so years they existed
mircea_popescu: recall that article about the new antibiotic found in soil sample ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of basic techniques, rather than products
mircea_popescu: shit, state of the art 1930 plastics was linoleum and ebonite.
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assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 00:14:17; felipelalli: thestringpuller: but "the repayment rate" does not depends (also) on the investor? He can choose the investments he wants to make. I was being lucky, or I made good choices.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063191 << prolly should read http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ and work the examples out by hand.
asciilifeform: folks are still wearing the same synthetic fibres used in german uniforms, made in same way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, we're not literally stuck with 1930s tech. for the most part. organic chemistry has not really moved very far since
decimation: asciilifeform: no, it was more the fact that turing et.al. had the pole's cryptanalysis to crib off of
mircea_popescu: your statement was, and i quote, ' we're still cribbing off their tech notebook and can never hope to match'
mircea_popescu: at the time.
asciilifeform: incidentally none of the allied crypto (other than vernam, aka otp, which was also used in germany) was in any way superior to enigma
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:41:48; pete_dushenski: i really don't know any other german speakers with whom to converse
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063179 << there's thirty million helgas out there, get your ass on tinder.
decimation: enigma was broken by the poles
asciilifeform: did not, iirc, have the klystron though
mircea_popescu: look at the stupid rocket-planor thing. etc. derpy as it gets.
mircea_popescu: look at what they thought radar is.
asciilifeform: works in the sense of 'were so l337 that we're still cribbing off their tech notebook and can never hope to match'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, "works" in this context is you saying "so there we go, c works"
asciilifeform: the occasional impalement also helps
asciilifeform: keeps the narcissomaniacs out, etc.
asciilifeform: so there we go
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:31:32; pete_dushenski: i'm generally curious about the merits of their decade and change of research
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only the unsuccessful ones that yet survive.
asciilifeform: by this token every hunter-gatherer should be newton
mircea_popescu: no, that's not it. theknowledge that there's going to be food at the supermarket destroys.
ben_vulpes: so there ya go
asciilifeform: certain kinds of life destroy the mind.
mircea_popescu: for the reason i stated!
asciilifeform: thing is, newton's 52 is not the same as american slave's 52
asciilifeform: aeneas was not a mathematician.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:28:44; asciilifeform: the folks not dead of drink have been driving cabs in nyc for so long as to have put their generative years firmly behind.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063130 << fwiw, i believe this "generative years" is bullshit. it only makes sense in ossified society, because older guys have stupid shit to waste their tiem with. otherwise, in catastrophic situation, age does not matter. how old was Aeneas ?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:28:17; asciilifeform: where is soviet physics? mathematics ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ah, i was thinking of the other taxation, where goons come and lift a penny out of every 3 i make
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: now i recall, there was a thread where one of you asked the other for a smoke in-channel
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, the thread kicked off at "<ben_vulpes> trinque's doing a major launch this week, i think we'll be lucky to get much of a peep out of him at all"
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:23:07; trinque: "don't be evil" has to be the cheesiest wink at the camera of all time
ben_vulpes: (and no, not really the latter)
asciilifeform has not yet met ben_vulpes in the flesh
ben_vulpes: taxation you, i trinque pay to la serenissima is rather small
mircea_popescu: o you two work together was it
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: so update the blog entry.
ben_vulpes: i'm just pointing out that pastebin's not allowed in these parts.
felipelalli: I also tried to paste my key there and I was disconnected due to "flood"
felipelalli: why deedbot- is rejecting my key? I sent http://pastebin.com/R0cK3111 and it says: "Bad URL or network outage." I also tried http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=R0cK3111 with the same effect
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at some point a roman army was defeated, a total of three aquillae (legion header) were lost. the romans spent a century trying to get them back, at one point famously excavating a few square miles o land
ben_vulpes: decimation: "schmoes" << that they have anything to invest in the first place is due to the american democracy/communism thing, from there we quickly hit the "one day bitcoin will make us all royals, and when can i lop the peasants heads off again?" checkpoint
asciilifeform: the 'day job' thing is more complicated than looks on the surface. a medieval serf, for instance, served for a much smaller fraction of his waking time than i or ben_vulpes do
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> three vultures lost in the east. << i do not get this reference.
mircea_popescu: three vultures lost in the east.
decimation: ben_vulpes: no, my hypothesis is that the current us style of "just stick the money in the market and get returns" is slated for the guillotine under the new regime. < the problem isn't the passive returns, the problem is that schmoes off the street can invest
mircea_popescu: if you look at it, the entire history of rome, from kingdom to empire, was basically this : they had a set of benches under some trees somewhere
mircea_popescu: in the fucking bus ?
mircea_popescu: exactly like we met. in the forum.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sipahi is the turkish term.
ben_vulpes: by their own stolen children.
mircea_popescu: that way, at least you know why you're bothering.
asciilifeform: decimation: re: footballist and maths << napoleon has at least one theorem to his credit
mircea_popescu: let them rebel over it, and be mowed down periodically.
mircea_popescu: like army. take the children women weep for. or men, in this case.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you mean, as in latium, then note octavianus didn't adopt random orphans a la dick tracy.
mircea_popescu: well then why take its dregs ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the outside world is despised << in the book, this was underscored on every page. and the degeneracy depicted also.
decimation: there's some genetic intelligence for you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just making the point that if you're going for your reagent, make the relative situation obvious : the outside world is despised.
assbot: John Urschel, Ravens Offensive Lineman, Publishes Math Paper : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhuZeI )
decimation: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/20/394340722/john-urschel-ravens-offensive-lineman-publishes-math-paper < big black guy who plays linemen for the baltimore ravens just published a mathmatics paper entitled "A Cascadic Multigrid Algorithm for Computing the Fiedler Vector"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063103 << this. they hire "the best", ye, young schmucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: collect the most desirable children from outside : teenaged women with big tits << building harem then, not mathematical monastery, i take it.
mircea_popescu: fuck the outside.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this modesty... fuck that. collect the most desirable children from outside : teenaged women with big tits.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:17:58; asciilifeform: and before that, they glommed it into their idiot 'google groups' thing
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063096 << yet another google failure at mattering in social.
asciilifeform: and grew them with discipline
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in stephenson's world, they didn't need to. collected unwanted children from outside.
mircea_popescu: took a while, but i suspect more due to slow comms at the time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, neal stephenson (in fiction) proposed a pill against 'the moment creation is +EV, all the narcisists flood in' - monasteries
mircea_popescu: as discussed in the pseudoscience bit : unless you folks start quoting it to me, it's just another bit of anglowank, couldn't care less.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:10:54; asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will fill in for him and observe that library of alexandria burning is no loss, when cockroaches evolve and replace man they will rediscover everything.
ben_vulpes: "proof of existence" << sad story of not being in the wot and ergo not mattering.
asciilifeform: no sane ceo actuallyhas to work, ever << so then!
ben_vulpes: the americans "CEO" on hookers and blow.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: even the CEO will drain his accounts after...10? 20? years without income.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless.
asciilifeform: but, typically, not 'day job' in the 'schmuck who will starve after N paycheques skipped' sense
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:59:35; felipelalli: Let me ask one think out of the context: isn't gpg contract useless without some "proof of existence", published in Blockchain, e.g.?
ben_vulpes: cazalla, felipelalli: identity is not the important bit. trustworthiness is. no drivers license or electric bill proves trustworthiness.
mircea_popescu: all the schmuckodon in "bitcoin business" comes from the completely irrational expectations of all these schmucks that they can earn a living "being" "ceo"s.
cazalla: felipelalli, also i don't place much faith in how they identify people, a driver's licence, electricity bill.. worth just as much as newly created wot identity with no feedback.. plus the sort of person who needs to borrow $500 is the sort of person who would lift things such as a drivers licence from parents/friends/partners wallet anyway
mircea_popescu: stick with the day job.
asciilifeform: they ALL stem from the mistaken idea that creators should be able to eat << mircea_popescu suggests they should photosynthesize ?
mircea_popescu: they ALL stem from the mistaken idea that creators should be able to eat, and the typiocally american (ie, fucktarded and grossly ignorant) solutions attempted.
mircea_popescu: looky here : ALL the problems of modern academia, from faux psychiatry used to cover up for govt failure to faux "earth sciences" used to cover up for govt failure to the diploma mill etc
asciilifeform: [insert army of the dead scene from 'lord of rings']
mircea_popescu: what is this, the future ?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:04:58; trinque: asciilifeform: I have long wanted a system where member nodes can all publish wads 'o gpg stuff, peers don't know the contents of the wad, give each-other redundancy
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 22:59:27; asciilifeform: we don't have a mechanism for producing the good stuff separately, yet.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063048 << same mechanbism as to produce the good code separately. sign and wot.
mircea_popescu: but i can envisage the day when a) all science is published via b-a, and to read... get in wot
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 22:51:01; PeterL: new #B-A need: print off all the articles and store in a library
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063019 << nah, only some of them. we're ignoring most of it : http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 22:40:21; asciilifeform: most of the time when i go to that library it isn't even for a specific rational purpose
ben_vulpes: one of the reasons i'm not targeting macos for RI builds.
mircea_popescu: the idea... died.
ben_vulpes: and the ghost of steve is yet prepared to rip it out from beneath us
ben_vulpes: we've been looking into the apple "enterprise deployment" story of late
mircea_popescu: think of the children!
mircea_popescu: how are silk road copycats supposed to make enough to run away with if you won't give the pillheads "loans" yo ?
cazalla: felipelalli, if you only use it to borrow, i don't really see the problem with you using it, but i'd never lend
cazalla: felipelalli: I ran to qntra.net to read something about that and for my surprise I didn't find anything. But now I understand why. Not fully yet, but I can at least understand your point of view. <<< fwiw i would never lend bitcoin to people on btcjam regardless of their ability to pay back, i'd never use the site to borrow either, so i guess it's not so difficult to see why i would not write a story on it either
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062896 << this is kinda how the illegal racing world works.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 21:59:40; nubbins`: *i* won't buy it, but since when does the market cater to rational actors?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062877 << since no more welfare, so idiots either starve or slave.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 21:56:58; decimation: on the other hand, perhaps apple is just trying to 'enumerate goodness' in its 'forced wot'
mircea_popescu: apple "open" : we'll give you some fiction to read while the thing boots ?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 21:47:01; decimation: the developer in question had already made a deal with apple to publish the app apparently. I couldn't even compile my own version unsigned for my own personal use
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062825 << how the fuck is this open source.
mircea_popescu: lots of "unthinkables" needed to keep the soviets going.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 02:22:03; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with jurisdictions discussed recentlier is deeper than it seems. plenty of usians do not think other places are "real places".
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 21:00:49; asciilifeform: the option of not having the bugs is presented as not even thinkable.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062798 << you know ? just as unthinkable as the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063368
ben_vulpes: nearer that southern port city
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: "but muh jerb" << when you open a metal shop in #b-a, perhaps i can go and work sweeping floor there.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh hey can we do the whorehouse cafe?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because they stick to the touristy traps anywhere. stopped for coffee earlier at whorehouse cafe, table across two lost derps with ipad propped on "south america on a shoestring". muy confused.
mircea_popescu: for a good chunk of the audience, this is actually so. it's not even a real country.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not accidental. folks who travel from usa to english-speaking (or most western eu in general) aren't actually leaving the empire