ascii_field: Adlai: http://nosuchlabs.com/prod << the maths engine is actually using boring old gmp -- same as gpg's
ben_vulpes: ah it's so nice to see people building and running the RI
funkenstein_: nubbins, re: 0.5.3.1 after a couple days i am up to 220k blocks. just like the old days isn't it?
PeterL: or you think it would be easier to hold the s.qntr price down so no wins?
PeterL: unless you convince somebody to put some money down on no before you do the manipulation
PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc?
PeterL: but still not worth it as the bet currently stands
PeterL: there's not a whole lot of shares trading with which to dump
jurov: yes, but with risk someone notices and will try to dump the shares on that price
PeterL: but it wouldn't take much coin to push it up above the s.mpex price, and then you just need a bit of self-trading to keep it there a month
jurov: lol current qntr sell depth is just bitcents. if i wanted to sway it for the bet to win, would have to start trading with myself
PeterL: it just seems like it should use a resolution source which can be checked later on, like when the bet ends
thestringpuller: if the middle value on 30d for S.QNTR > correlated value for S.MPOE
PeterL: so for the yes side to win, somebody has to do !t for each here while the qntr is a higher price
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PeterL: https://bitbet.us/bet/1127/qntra-to-the-moon/ uses assbot at a resolution source, does assbot keep historical price records?
nubbins`: i can't imagine they did :D
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s. << Incredilol
punkman: Adlai, and for extra fun "Short strings, given simply in quotes as above, are treated as numbers; long strings, surrounded by the text keyword as above, are treated as array-like objects"
Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums
nubbins`: Serpent, the ideal language for businesses who don't need more than 2,256 of anything
Adlai: at least they pay out bounties in btc
funkenstein_: i think line number two is pretty important and looks like a common theme from the ethereum team
funkenstein_: what do you bet they use 32 bits or more to model that behavior?
punkman: lol "Python numbers have potentially unlimited size, Serpent numbers wrap around 2256. For example, in Serpent the expression 3^(2^254) suprisingly evaluates to 1"
Adlai: aiui, you could only stall nodes of either network up to the amount of computation you're willing to subsidize
funkenstein_: so I can put a non-halting program into the blockchain, and all counterparty nodes will stall?
Adlai: no, it's the nail in counterparty's coffin: https://github.com/ethereum/serpent/commit/f509f4d
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Adlai: nah, they're the same: http://counterparty.io/news/counterparty-recreates-ethereums-smart-contract-platform-on-bitcoin/
fluffypony: well ok then
fluffypony: the 20th most exciting Bitcoin startup is something trying to replace Bitcoin with a massively centralised system?
fluffypony: "20. Ripple: Fixing the flaws in bitcoin"
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fluffypony: http://www.businessinsider.com/25-most-exciting-bitcoin-startups-in-the-world-ethereum-21-coinbase-coindesk-2015-3?op=1
trinque: anyhow, clarity of the morning is; I'm through with her
nubbins`: well then!
nubbins`: fwiw the detection algo would be impossibly easy to replicate
nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!)
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who was sleeping in a cave for the past decade
asciilifeform: of them have explained exactly how it works or what information is conveyed. No law requires printer companies to help track printer users this way, and no law prevents them from stopping this practice or giving customers a solution to avoid being tracked.'
asciilifeform: 'Most color laser printers made and sold today intentionally add invisible information to make it easier to determine where (and when) a particular document was printed. This seems to have been done as part of a secret deal between the United States Secret Service and the individual manufacturers. Some of the manufacturers have mentioned the existence of the tracking information in their documentation, and others haven't. None
asciilifeform: yes, same printer makers as had the yellow microdots
asciilifeform: 'eurion' is just one of the unknown number of traps
punkman: there was also some guy with an anti-CV face makeup art project
asciilifeform: and also, 'Both PSP and Photoshop identify this image (from an Adobe Forum discussion) as being currency and refuse to open it, despite there being no instance of the Eurion constellation...' << 'eurion' is only the -publicly known- trick of this variety. no one knows how many other boobytraps lurk in idiot closed-source image processors
punkman: W.Gibson has a fun bit about "the ugliest shirt in the world" which allows the wearer to not be recognized by CV systems
asciilifeform: 'If a new image was identified as a particular class with more certainty than the original, the researchers would discard the old version and continue to mutate the new one. Eventually this produced images that were recognized by the DNN with over 99 percent confidence but were not recognizable to human vision.' << i though everybody's tried this as a student. works great
asciilifeform: 'We realized that the neural nets did not encode knowledge necessary to produce an image of a fire truck, only the knowledge necessary to tell fire trucks apart from other classes, he explained.' << no shit
Adlai: doesn't need much fiddling, just checksum the federated database into a deed
asciilifeform: trinque: (re: earlier thread) why would the woman object to your having money? or was it that you earned it 'sinfully' ?
Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...
bitstein: danielpbarron: why aren't you signing the kitchen sink?
nubbins`: incidentally, i tried to sell some gold on the forums a while back, no takers
nubbins`: these days, you don't get to see the BTC price (and thus the exchange rate) until the last step in the checkout process
nubbins`: i've ordered from them 2 or 3 times
nubbins`: have bought Au from a couple of the above
funkenstein_: not that I expect the other ones too, but just happened to read through some of the coinabul complaint threads
funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated".
funkenstein_: "The gold market marched into the 21st century Friday with the launch of a new electronic platform designed to make the daily market price benchmark less vulnerable to manipulation."
funkenstein_: new kunstler out: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/kicked-to-the-curb/
thestringpuller: nubbins`: doesn't cache their passphrase << i change my passphrase every time I use my key. /tinfoil hat
nubbins`: because the NSA sort room at the mail facility is scanning the send address instead of the return address, or something.
nubbins`: <+Adlai> and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby <<< vs trusting that their pgp implementation doesn't cache their passphrase 8)
thestringpuller: bitstein: yes we know there isn't a federated system yet :P
bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data.
Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby
thestringpuller: cause you are authenticating with a GPG interface
bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed?
nubbins`: tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s.
nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true)
brendafdez: "The gold market marched into the 21st century [...] me banks reluctant to participate" http://www.wsj.com/articles/gold-market-launches-electronic-pricing-mechanism-1426874345
nubbins`: Adlai "20x raise" generally makes people VERY suspicious as to the absolute value of your starting salary
nubbins`: please tell me that this isn't the case, and if it is, please tell me that you're not just upset at your girlfriend because she called you a moron for making this decision
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mircea_popescu: anyway, the wp stuff is more of what i thought we had discussed many times.
mircea_popescu: punkman theoretically. i just had nfi anyone had actually done it.
Adlai: a few darknet markets have used such a system too, which raises the question of why anyderpy used any of the markets that didn't
punkman: on that note, Enigmail has warning message that they will only support gpg2 soon
mircea_popescu: still, more pgp flowing through the tubes is a net gain
mircea_popescu: punkman probably cheapest approach to diddle the js to encrypt to two keys. transparent enough to do, and then get somewhere else the msg.
Adlai: you could probably give this audience an identical security theater with js that sends plaintext
punkman: if they have to mitm the javascript, sure that does raise the cost, but is it worth the false sense of security
Adlai only refers people to hanewin after explaining that they're just trusting some random site, instead of google or facebook
mircea_popescu: i suppose the communication starts with "gtfo off windoze"
punkman: the problem is how do you communicate to derps that they should use actual PGP for the "important" stuff
mircea_popescu: as in, random derp w/o gpg installed wants to send mp stuff encrypted to mp's key, there's page on mp's site with javascript
Adlai: bitproof has an interface for 'signing' using the mouse
Adlai: must be the hostile ddos bot
mircea_popescu: almost there.
davout: trinque: just wanted to see who'd actually read the deeds :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up drawingthesun
brendafdez: Oh, suicides are also common over there? :P
brendafdez: punkman back in the days when we still didn't have to go through this amount of bureaucratic shit to receive shipments from abroad, and when I was doing it very often, the ones from the UK used to be the fastest. I'm surprised that your experience with the RM has been bad.
brendafdez: yes, but sometimes it's not worth it. Having to cross the river to send a letter with "an object inside" to a recepient in Argentina would be hilarious. That time they insisted letters were paper only. :D
brendafdez: punkman I've had all kind of bad experiences with the post, from them stealing from a box of alfajores I was shipping abroad, to them refusing to send a letter (even though it was within weight and size limits) because "there was an object inside" (!!). Long delays is the success scenario.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re earlier thread, check this out : http://trilema.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/#comment-113249
mircea_popescu: it's either a txn that for mysterious reasons din't get to propagate or i can't imagine what else. anyway, i'm on it, give it a day.
winner1: Yes, thank you for your quick response. I think I am the only one left. I bet 3 times in this bet. I got paid in two, But I did not get paid in this one.
mircea_popescu: winner1 thanks for pointing this out, it's suspicious as fuck. dunno what happened there yet but will look into it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's that the inmates collude with the prison guards. obviously I should just let that fact go
winner1: yes, here is the link: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b228
winner1: The bet was resolved 5 days ago.
trinque: I was talking about the future
mircea_popescu: anyway. if you don't like her, get rid of her. if you like her, talk to her. that'll either sort out whatever or else make you not like her.
trinque: problem is I've been with women that *adored* the rants
trinque: yet the cultural context causes her to barge into places she does not belong
trinque: this girl is utterly intimidated by the fact that I might actually be holding some real money in my hands
trinque: mircea_popescu: the dysfunction here is that male-female relationship here is taught as parternship
trinque: it is not happenstance that this cunt is attacking me the week before I increase my income by 20x
trinque: because the part of me that stopped identifying with this place in the first person singular hasn't had enough of a conversation with the second and third person
trinque: mircea_popescu: the xx beg to be shown the line, invoke the protection of the state in the same breath
mircea_popescu: like sex and the city with better horseface ?
trinque: I said Lena Dunham should be burned alive and my erstwhile significant other had a meltdown
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/f54460da0cbc358c33a1304125119cb4/tumblr_mmwqr9Y3Ty1rsze6qo1_1280.jpg << the birth of an idea
mircea_popescu: ah i was looking at the wrong list.
mircea_popescu: "Incidentally, the private key of the first address in your list is 5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEtHwQJ6fmT7"
BingoBoingo: Seriously makes "home brew semi-supercomputer with 128 gig ECC ram and 10 quad core intel processors with haswell architecture." Yet wants to avoid anything linux, python, or otherwise not MS Excel
mircea_popescu: maybe he should put them in excel.
mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses"
mircea_popescu: t is, he's free to enlighten the world - I am curious like anyone's curious. What he can't do is pretend like "it doesn't matter". It does."
mircea_popescu: "I have no idea what he's been doing for a living in the years elapsed since then - if anything, then definitely not anything related to Bitcoin as a free entreprise. Maybe he's working a garden or teaching yoga. Maybe he's earning his living as a Bitcoin expert in the pay of those who do not wish to see Bitcoin free entreprise generally, and certainly not to the degree displayed by the free world. Whichever of these i
mircea_popescu: if the guy wants to interview...
brendafdez: Apparently the father of one of the founders of this space operated one such "Luna Park" in the early 20th century. And they picked the same name for the stadium.
brendafdez: The first park to use the name was Coney Island's second major amusement park, designed by Frederic Thompson and Elmer "Skip" Dundy and opened in 1903. They named the park after the spaceship in their Pan-American Exposition ride "A Trip to the Moon".[1][2]
brendafdez: Vexual in a way it does refer to the moon. From derpipedia: Luna Park is a name shared by dozens of currently operating and defunct amusement parks that have opened on every continent except Antarctica since 1903.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/
Vexual: i resepect the sisters costyume
brendafdez: Otherwise I might have to go back to church. Don't force it upon me by not donating.
brendafdez: I was also raised Christian. Was horrible. Care to help? Even 1 cent you could spare helps me forget the terrible thing 14EVtRAFWTcDutoeHBLPjLewfMxGgPHcLv
Vexual: this is whhen fluffy pony should describe something useful about that other ocean, approachin brazil
Vexual: did they meann kunar?
trinque: but having something that says "there is objective truth"
trinque: I was raised christian, reacted against the restrictiveness of that
mircea_popescu: which is kinda how the thing works.
mircea_popescu: turns out you weren't actually hating "the christians", but merely grew up in a restrictive environment where you could never talk to one.
trinque: mircea_popescu: they at least have a semi-coherent set of symbols to reason with!
trinque: it's as mine as it is some other fuck's
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is the thing; I will never accept death
brendafdez: mircea_popescu I never mentioned it bc I felt very flattered that you added the password input field in the "Paid Content" notice at my request, but seems weird to me that after inputting password it takes you to the homepage. Expected behavior to me would be reloading the page, to see the article one intended to read in the first place. Otherwise one valuable credit goes to waste by loading an unwanted article ;)
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trinque: the whole govt's set up to get as little done as possible
trinque: the thing people don't understand when they look at people like ted cruz.. the goddamn texas legislature meets every two years
trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that
trinque: can't fucking stand the pacific nw
trinque: nothing would fill me with greater joy than seeing a place like texas thrive while the rest of the insane federal system rots
trinque: mircea_popescu: why? because it feels like admitting suicide is the only option, but being too cowardly to pull the trigger.
mircea_popescu: (but i am writing something for your, and others', bile)
trinque: +mircea_popescu | trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive. << holy fuck, does this social phenomenon fill me with bile
brendafdez: There's no point reeducating it, because anyway...
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/
mircea_popescu: then it turns out... self-parody.
mircea_popescu: omfg... at first i thought it's someone mocking the guy.
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ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants...
mircea_popescu: just talk to some supposedly ignorant, unintelligent and unskilled ghetto dwellers on the topic of "getting prescriptions", see knowledge, cleverness and skill unmatched.
mircea_popescu: trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive.
mircea_popescu: exactly the sort of thing.
brendafdez: think of the children
brendafdez: the press is just as shitty
mircea_popescu: brendafdez somehow the title is "no browser is secure" instead of "use linux. now. everything else is shit"
brendafdez: "No browser exploits were successfully demonstrated on Linux or other open-source operating systemsÇ"
trinque: kakobrekla: please autovoice the deedbot- if you wouldn't mind
trinque: doesn't really bother me to not have a mask, as the firewall on the thing doesn't have open ports
asciilifeform: there's one 'genius' who will never need his mandatory day job.
mircea_popescu: (i didn't really understand most of the stuff but whatever)
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mircea_popescu: srsly, put it in the wiki
asciilifeform: ^ l0l! what is happening in the picture ?
decimation: ^ that was a juicy line so that the median 'la times reader' would know that these guys were nutso
decimation: no I think it's a misspelling for 'other'
mircea_popescu: the media and ocher institutions
decimation: isn't necessarily bad, she says, noting that dinosaurs became oil deposits -- and depletion of the ozone layer, a point with which some mainstream scientists agree."
decimation: "Consider the environmental movement. On the surface, it appears to be a collection of "wonderful, benevolent people trying to help and save the Earth," Koehle tells the campers, who range in age from 13 to 20.In reality, she says, it's a plot to unite humanity against a common enemy, pollution, and lay the groundwork for a world regime.Koehle urges students to ignore doomsday hype about-such things as endangered species - extinction
asciilifeform: phun phact: 2nd president of birch society burned on the famous korean airlines 007.
mircea_popescu: nice link to the brejnev speech tho
mircea_popescu: "He should consider himself fortunate that he hasnt yet been targeted for a drone strike." fortune has nothing to do with it. the bumbing us navy lacks the operational capability to carry out drone strikes where he lives.
asciilifeform: rather unusually for engl. media
asciilifeform: piece describes the nato 'stop smashing your nose into my fist' tradition
decimation: he was a journalist before he had enough and joined the 'john birch society'
decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/21/cold-war-ii-this-time-the-commies-are-in-washington/ < ron paul's man rants about commies
decimation: moldbug has a quote that implicates FDR in covering for the soviets for Katyn
nubbins`: the fun ones have tiger stripes
asciilifeform: (what's the term of art here)
asciilifeform: are the legal 'hempseeds' found in hippy foods somehow inactivated ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nowadays. not then.
mircea_popescu: a fine example of the insanity is the life and times of one little, aka max hardcore
nubbins`: oh yes they are
mircea_popescu: well the difference beeing that seeds were also not illegal.
asciilifeform: neither did noriega
asciilifeform: quite possibly this was the juridicial basis for the fella sitting in a ca jail for a us violation
nubbins`: and what the UN says, goes!
asciilifeform: and hence the pretenses of differing laws are just that
asciilifeform: nubbins` et al: of course this is a trick question, because canada (like the rest of the 'civilized' - and even the orcish - world) is signatory to the nacro convention
nubbins`: none of these sound great ;/