(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: let me know what style inputs you have
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release
(trilema) ben_vulpes: configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://github.com/istib/helm-aws << ahahahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why so as to not get whacked
(trilema) ben_vulpes: occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'd love your code review as well sir
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah, take a look
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hehe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's not meant for curl2sudo broheims
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what, is my personal site not adequate?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: glad you like it!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: how would one ever know?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my 0.5.3 node hasn't barfed yet
(trilema) ben_vulpes digs through notes as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: why 0.6?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: guessing after the reveal
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no fith
(trilema) ben_vulpes: commitments
(trilema) ben_vulpes: deadlines
(trilema) ben_vulpes: features
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oop kakobrekla making product mistakes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i plead the fith
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah jesus what happened to my maths
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unhackable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: assbot must run on lisp machines
(trilema) ben_vulpes: foo\amazingh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fooamazingh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: foomazingh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't think these are exclusive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: year 0
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "the first year"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;calc 2014 - 2009
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: say please and thank you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up KayTheFlower
(trilema) ben_vulpes: puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jan 3rd, 2009
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
(trilema) ben_vulpes: block zero
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: irc.serenissima.butts when
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pwahahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ud french cleaning
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look ma, problems?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rm -rf / solves all problems
(trilema) ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1 warning, but i think it's fine: https://www.refheap.com/92127
(trilema) ben_vulpes: xCXXFLAGS=....$(HARDENING)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah k
(trilema) ben_vulpes: -f-stack-protector?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i can paste for you.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, it makes sensible output.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the compiler poops a binary onto disk.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh sorry, too much brevity.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no idea what's in the turd.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: compiler poops
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: build passes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: libqrencode-dev purged
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but baby steps
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oooh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: later pete
(trilema) ben_vulpes: updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: https://www.refheap.com/92126
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in the makefile?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well it builds quite happily.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i want to compile without it. period. full stop.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh oh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: do I?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rips out UPNP support.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yup.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: code review, please: https://www.refheap.com/92123
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ya there we go
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm trying to think of sensible use cases
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still working through the changelog
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah.
(trilema) ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as opposed to BDB
(trilema) ben_vulpes: was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm sure it matters to someone
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "oh nine three"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and i never say the decimal
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm retarded, it's fine
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah hue
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be "a zero"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: syllabic efficiency
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if an 0.9 *node*...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no it's totally in the transaction processing rules
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: varnish is okay
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "news" is all slant
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ya got it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: salad
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all i have is the github repo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it would be expedient to download miniupnpc 1.6 from http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/ but what do to prevent mitm of that source?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: am i reading this (https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/miniupnpc) correctly? debian backports only has miniupnpc-1.5?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: write-tracking os when
(trilema) ben_vulpes: immutable os when
(trilema) ben_vulpes: undata:
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i see only abstractions that help manage one set of complexities while making more complexities.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: undata: i see no security value add.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: could be dog
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?! << this was not obvious?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: from the derpotron: https://blocksign.com/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: paha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can't speak to the hasids or historically, but definitely in my experience.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'carry out the program' << yup.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: one can claim, but there's a trilema for that :P
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's been a decent tool for hacking mud, that's about all i know.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm getting the gist.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: riskspace is foreign code on box, exploits of running processes from outside world?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just a few years ago i was building wafer hosts - there is much i don't know about websec.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: would you enumerate the risks?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hm digitalocean doesn't even bsd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: related to asciilifeform's "must fit in head" problem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i guess at a high level stupid solution to stupid problems.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for instance, different versions of the python imaging library for different services.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, mats_cd03: ease of dependency management, resource isolation, cognitive overhead. i'm dumb and have to deal with crazy complex legacy shit that's most expediently put into 'containers for poor and time constrained engineers'.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mats_cd03> too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable << well enlighten my derpy ass
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just cause
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up CryptOprah
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how are you to fight the usg thusly?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> through which metaphore i am suggesting, of course, that coders are whores and money is a penis. << btc today, equity in thing of value mebbe tomorrow...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but -- digging nevertheless.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: write some tests
(trilema) ben_vulpes: booting is the first edge case
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks, thestringpuller
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so i'm not a a c professional by any stretch of the mind - where do the obj/*.o files come from?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pahahahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's precisely what i was banging into.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good question
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but uh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aforementioned libdb4.8-dev
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because that was released ca. 2013, roundabout when 0.6 came out
(trilema) ben_vulpes: considering using squeezy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wheezy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i'm building a container with docker, and a cursory search turned up no docker base image for openbsd.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: macos is its own crazy problem that I'm not about to impose on anyone.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nah, that's not what i'm doing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: specifically, 0.6.3 from source.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hm should i be doing this on debian 6?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yup.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: here's an interesting nugget
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but w/e/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hardly just a receiver then.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mkay
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bidirectional
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: please explain to me how you triangulate a receiver.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "This time it was encrypted but it was possible to determine the position of the transmitter and the reciever." << how would the latter part be possible?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/english-version-could-be-a-damaged-russian-submarine_4023511.svd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: slowly heating's supposed to do the trick
(trilema) ben_vulpes: starfish is worth a sight more than that
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can only afford hundredth-coin buys
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: well you see i am an utter pauper
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks mats_cd03
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;calc 0.03 * [[ ticker ]]
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;calc 0.03 * [[ticker]]
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;calc 0.03 * [[;;ticker]]
(trilema) ben_vulpes winces at the memory
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh the core
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ya, typo.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "kistmet", etc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i prefer ancient history
(trilema) ben_vulpes: subjective
(trilema) ben_vulpes: feelsgood.png
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "no."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "hey you live in new york? cool! do you know this other random guy i met one time?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fivezerotwo: now why would you think that?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i asked nicely for a staging environment so that we could keep working when they do this in the future
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cascaded into a whole-site-takedown
(trilema) ben_vulpes: with no safety checks or timeouts or anything
(trilema) ben_vulpes: client recently pushed a change to their frontend app that changed the rate at which the js called the backend
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah funny ddos story
(trilema) ben_vulpes: best response to ddos is to...not notice.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and y'all complain of tib and mor.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: worst part of ddos is noise in assets logs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i know
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyone giving me even money on undata being a chick ? << i'll take it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think the thing is pretty ambivalent to input media
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gotta dig the clay out and make the bricks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: guy's built and published the plans for a compressed-earth brick maker
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no no no, wrong takeaway
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: try w js?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> undata not just. houses too, if you build brick walls on concrete pillars... wtf is going to burn ? << http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/CEB_Press
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the secret fuhrer again?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/status/488885766001410048?s=09 << amusing honesty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: neat stuff.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's the background on "scientologists raped the usg in the 70s" claim?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed <<< which fails to explain why the us govt is not taking better care of staying out of our way. << "smart"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: being mean is the point of life.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dead $SACRED_COW
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dead feminists.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you're going for max shock, dead niggers.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not the hassling, the suiciding
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you could have them making human pyramids instead
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fivezerotwo: that's a waste of resources, dood
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol at your link and 'software' that's a decent joke albeit accidental
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: different link
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://m.gpo.gov/plumbook/ << this is a pretty good example of how the ussa builds software.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nubbins`: that's the one.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's just an arbitrary set of letters representing stuff...man
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kek
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i can't quit you"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this game is impossible.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: t/u/v/w, but w/e
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there was a vaporware around this, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and its actually scrolling into a dimension you can't really percieve correctly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: btc is ultimate arcade game
(trilema) ben_vulpes scrambles for coins