asciilifeform: the result ought to be a self-contained bag of shit that, when executed on any reasonable unix, eventually churns out a set of images suitable for flashing to a 'pogo'.
asciilifeform: that is, the same crosscompiler it builds, that builds kernel etc. will also build bitcoind and its deps
trinque: my pogo's promised to me by the 3rd
asciilifeform: my notion, as of a month plus ago, was to bake the entire orchestra into a buildroot
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> ben_vulpes mod6 mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << neat
asciilifeform: the thing is mega-configurable and very baroque
asciilifeform: 'buildroot' is this mega-automaton for building cross-compiled os for routers and the like
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, others :
nubbins`: recall fake bomb detector story, the one thing the guy always brought when he ran was the tooling
asciilifeform: now result might be a heap of slag where the logo was
asciilifeform: nubbins` laser then.
BingoBoingo: Does anyone have a python script for computing the odds of adult male of supplied height and weight versus (Y) pack of coyotes if armed with a tack hammer?
nubbins`: you wouldn't even need to apply the sticker yourself, people like doing that stuff
asciilifeform: or other parts of chassis
asciilifeform: nubbins` do you think you could do a print of some kind over the lid?
nubbins`: i've got some nebulous plans to kit-ify these & sell em
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in as far as it may end up the first battlefield deployment of 0.5.3.x - aha.
ben_vulpes: since when is the pogo my project?
nubbins`: if we end up jamming the os onto the nand, you could have it scan SD cards on insert for patches
asciilifeform: at the very minimum, development units ought to have it
asciilifeform: (not the net)
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes and mod6 decide that we must have an updater (signed, naturally) i suggest that the button be used to trigger it
asciilifeform: thought yours might have had a button under the lamp
ben_vulpes just cracked the craptop
asciilifeform: nubbins`: would you care to post a photo of the unit ?
asciilifeform: the designer made an entirely rational choice
asciilifeform: it just makes pointers take up 2x the space
asciilifeform: therealbitcoin chairmen, awaken
trinque: up to the operator to deploy updates later?
nubbins`: ah, i thought the purple logo'd one did
nubbins`: have the eject button send us a message on irc or something
asciilifeform: it is also of great importance to blink the correct colour led!
asciilifeform: the one ingredient that is still needed, that i have not attempted at all, is the formatter
mircea_popescu: (in the sense of having a miserable memory leaking low cost node)
mircea_popescu: so then, this + 32bit bitcoind and we're done.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there are some memory-mapped i/o iirc
nubbins`: actually, looking at the pogoplug-related entries in that patch, it's all trivial stuff
asciilifeform: the interesting parts were rolled in some time ago in mainline, apparently
nubbins`: THAT'S THE SPIRIT
asciilifeform: 2) mercilessly root out the idiot crud that gets rolled in by default
asciilifeform: tomorrow evening i'll 1) flash in the rootfs to get something like a working box
asciilifeform: didn't use any of the weirdo crap from above link
asciilifeform: that's the boojum, i think
BingoBoingo: JetA puts out fires pretty well though provided you are flicking a cigarette butt into a bucket of JetA most of the time
BingoBoingo: And the carbon tetrachloride fire extinguishing grenade
asciilifeform: the famous kerosene fire extinguisher.
BingoBoingo also learned today all of his most exotic fire extinguisher ideas have largely been incorporated into class D fire extinguishers already except for the DU based supressant idea
asciilifeform: anyway it's just as dead as the last maxint kernels
asciilifeform: (the extra mass in the config was actually from building every possible module. which went into the rootfs and had no impact on the kernel proper)
nubbins`: in other words, bring your own scissors :0
nubbins`: "for GoFlex Home/Net, Pogoplug E02/Mobile/V4, iConnect, Dockstar, Sheevaplug, NSA320, NSA325, Topkick, and all other Kirkwood plugs that are already in the mainline"
asciilifeform: i mean, it's 10x the size
asciilifeform: woah the sheer amount of turdage in that one
nubbins`: but i think the guide i used was for 3.18
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaLl9S )
nubbins`: this is the guy from http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
asciilifeform: but it means that there is no way to replicate the kernel build short of catching the perpetrator and slowly roasting him over a fire
asciilifeform: nubbins`: snipped to save space then
asciilifeform: note that this may or may not work depending on whether the kernel was built with this enabled
asciilifeform: please extract the config & post
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there most certainly was not.
nubbins`: might be something of interest there
BingoBoingo: In other news I discovered apparently firefighting trains exist
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> nubbins`: one's a phantom limb, i think << Phantom limbs got me much less excited about the latest Sun hardware I'd been investigating when the problem of keeping a post 2016 blockchain would have been a big challenge. (IDE limited to sub 127 GB, USB 1.1, and Firewire ports unsupported in OS of choice which means gambling on PCI USB 2.0 card working for moar storage)
decimation: one sign that nobody is rich today is that nobody could possibly dream of floating the national debt of england
asciilifeform: use the two configs posted just now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is the -only- thing i was able to build from source and actually get a shell on
mircea_popescu: so basically no os whatsoever builds on these things ?
asciilifeform: just like the... 57? previous linux kernels i built for this thing.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron there wouldn't normally be huge differences.
mircea_popescu: "teach the faux controversy mayhap people forget shit doesn't have tyo be eaten"
mircea_popescu: so to conflate "modern idiotic usgtronics" with "capitalism" which in turn conflates with "everything minus stone age, feudalism, and the soviets" is...
mod6: going once... going twice ... SOLD! to the man with 3 letters and integer in his nick
BingoBoingo: Ah, we're unthreading all of the vocabulary today!
mod6: it seems a bit silly to post a patch also back to the original portatronic version for this. anyone have any objections if i just publish a full copy of the 32bit auto.sh and a patch of auto.sh to the previous version (v0.0.5 included in the -RELEASE) ?
asciilifeform: nor is there any ready means for determining which un-modern combination of tools it -did- build on
decimation: have none of it. ... Because he wanted to be known as the man who overthrew the gold standard and replaced it with a new, rational, managed international monetary system. So he very much had his own personal legacy at heart here. <http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/benn_steil_on_t.html
decimation: And in fact there was a rear-guard action, launched in May of 1944, just before the Bretton Woods Conference, by a group of influential New York bankers, who very much hated the Bretton Woods agenda. They offered to lend Britain at least $3 billion dollars after the War, in return for which Britain would walk away from the Bretton Woods Conference. Clarke and others in the British Treasury wanted to pursue this idea. But Keynes would
mircea_popescu: moreover, as late as during ww2, the west thought the war is mostly about preventing exactly that.
mircea_popescu: for most of the industrial revolution, late 1600s to early 1900s, this view was exactly not held.
mircea_popescu: "A new system of economic relations was brought into being, based on money that could be generated at will, in the form of debt" << this is EXACTLY unrelated to capitalism.
decimation: my male line lived under the landgraf hesse-homburg for at least 400 years
mircea_popescu: the centralised state can only be a centralised state after all.
decimation: polish calvary charging the motorized wehrmacht?
mircea_popescu: the merchant class was ascendant cca 1300!
asciilifeform: or, less crackpottishly, the idea of ascendancy of the merchant class probably equals capitalism in his head
mircea_popescu: this may be true, but the girl's still pretty badly bloodied.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with using a language is that you're stuck using it according to itself tho. this is like, orlov horribly mauled a teenaged girl and you're like "well clearly the bear thought her cunt's salmon."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can tell he's using the su version of capitalism (it being, 'what is left when you subtract stone age + feudalism + communism from the cosmic background hiss)
mircea_popescu: (in favour of the centralised state)
mircea_popescu: but basically, feudalism and metalwork almost look as a zero sum game : as the latter develops the former fades
decimation: Herr Fredrick took the "of" for himself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unapparent from the orlov piece.
decimation: The German titles of Landgraf, Markgraf, and Pfalzgraf bei Rhein are in the same class of ranks as Herzog ("duke") and above the rank of a Graf ("count").
mircea_popescu: it was ending just as the hansa was coming into its own.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the peak of feudalism is around the peak of things like the tournoi as a public sport.
mircea_popescu: "about half the power a count used to have back when the counts of belgium dominated france, for to protect the country borders"
asciilifeform: it's an ill habit, sorta like the elaborate rules for mistransliterating german and english
asciilifeform: sorta like those 'c' programmers who #define'd themselves BEGIN and END blocks
asciilifeform: and guess what other kind.
mod6: ok im gonna stop this thing, rebuild one more time for good measure, then will create diffs & publish.
mircea_popescu: marsh lord, what is known as marquis, actually outranked counts at court, chiefly because being the lord of a marsh he had much more legal power than the head of settled land
mircea_popescu: in any case : counts as in, counts palatine, counts of the hre, etc, were sovereign.
mircea_popescu: by the time anyone cares about this feudalism was long defeated.
asciilifeform: duke outranks count there, so.
asciilifeform: aha but the man's dictionary
mircea_popescu: russia did not exist. the various duchies were not even feudal ffs.
mircea_popescu: protip : no, it's not 1550, that's the cinquecento in italy, feudalism is already dead and rotting everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i am willing to bet, on the strength of that diagram, that his disneyland notions of "feudalism" preclude him even knowing WHEN in time this happened
mircea_popescu: find a fucking count that was allegiant to a duke in the entire history of feudalism.
mircea_popescu: this is why i don't like reading orlov. the propaganda angle doesn't bother me as much, but the millitant, sheer ignorance does.
asciilifeform: they are in violation of gpl and, if anyone were actually concerned with this, would be made to swallow a hammer or whatever it is that is supposed to happen to such hooligans
mod6: it's 1 change to the auto.sh file, & have to have the 3 vars at the top set correctly. I'll post a copy of this auto.sh, a diff to the 64 bit version and a diff to the original portatronic version yet tonight.
asciilifeform: where, for instance, is their config ?
asciilifeform: i would dearly love to know what kind of 'open source' the folks who built that archlinux kernel practice.
asciilifeform: now trying to find which of the 5 supported marvells is actually compatible with kirkwood
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah you did say, and yeah i guess pretty much everyone honestly trying has figured out the same thing, if not necessarily apt to express it.
asciilifeform: 'This might be unduly harsh, but if Atomwise can do what they say, why are they on Ycombinator? Pull up to a big pharma, ask for some minimally proprietary data, and let the computers go to work. It'd be like printing winning lottery tickets.'
BingoBoingo: Science isn't a big ycombinator fan either http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/24/a_couple_of_ycombinators_startups.php
Adlai: brendafdez: identify before joining the channel and you'll be cloaked
BingoBoingo: The local logs
brendafdez: Neteller will gladly take your bitcoin in exchange for their tokens, at no cost. You can proceed to then spend them through their debit card and such... http://www.coindesk.com/neteller-bitcoin-deposit-policy-reversal/
brendafdez: what does it mean I lose logging? local logs? bc I do see it in the online log for the channel
brendafdez: This is weird, do I lose cloak when using the web interface? :/
decimation: somewhat related, apparently you can order books, music, dvds from amazon.de for 3eur + 3eur per kg shipping (to the us)
decimation: heh I didn't realize there was a book
asciilifeform: can't speak for anything else in there
asciilifeform: very bad phrasing right off the bat
decimation: it's an utterly crippled version of 'linux' with all the crud stripped out
asciilifeform: that's another hour or three that i will have no useful output.
asciilifeform: nukes the toolchain (incl. gcc) too.
asciilifeform: hint to others: NEVER 'make clean' on a working buildroot cross-compilation tree
asciilifeform: or alternatively, 'quit believing the docs'
decimation: asciilifeform: did you get the remote u-boot console working?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants...
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-03-2015#1064748 < yeah, this might make more sense - a conventional drone with missile. the important point is that these would be loitering at random radii and altitudes, making apriori 'air defense' clearance difficult
asciilifeform: ('i want too!' -- then see listserv)
asciilifeform: considerably easier now that i have it booting off the lan
decimation: well, it doesn't short, and has serial-ly output somewhere, these are good things
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 13:10:21; asciilifeform: in other news: http://imgur.com/YqbQh33,VN8dqBv,xJ6WGhl,nTPgWYW,WX6hpiT#4
decimation: where's the pics?
asciilifeform: Adlai: starting to warm... << one of the two practically-usable programming -systems- (note, i didn't say 'languages') designed by and for thinking people
decimation: asciilifeform: have you tested the boards?
asciilifeform: <jurov> these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening << jurov has it, unfortunately. we are in the jungle still.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...the original dispute that created this place... << now i'm curious
asciilifeform: getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society << funnily orlov is 100% with this program, in his own peculiar way
asciilifeform: but then again it is rather like saying that sewer rats could read reddit (yes, the occasional iPnohe falls into a street drain.)
asciilifeform: office rats can't really have honor << wtf sure they can
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert << aha see pics
pete_dushenski: ^yup. that'd be the one
mircea_popescu: why would anyone partake ? "i am not taking part in your kangaroo mockery. you want to either win or flip again, i dun have time for that"
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 14:22:59; asciilifeform: 'Longo said the case is suspended, not closed. He said the fact that investigators could not find evidence doesnt mean that something terrible didnt happen to Jackie.'
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067737 << so wait, the case can only close if man = bad, woman = good ? no other outcome available ?
pete_dushenski: "Get ready to ride in style Singapore, we’ve added supercars to the Uber platform. Starting this Saturday, March 21st, you will be able to request a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder or Maserati GranTurismo Coupe to come pick you up." << yew moves out, uber moves in.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 14:20:55; asciilifeform: the kind involving armoured trucks, rockets, demolition charges
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067728 << they had one here last year.
funkenstein_: i just watched "under the dome" documentary on china air pollution
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 13:56:10; asciilifeform: reminds me of how when clinton was half-heartedly prosecuting microshit for antitrust violations, some 'think tank' (cato? i forget) had a 'microsoft defense fund' that the public was invited to contribute to !
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 13:45:18; nubbins`: put another way: those who are unable to judge the character/nature of others are more likely to wish for escape, and their disability follows them to their new life, where they make the same sort of mistakes they'd make at home
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067669 << quite. except, there's a difference between understanding and controlling.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 13:28:54; asciilifeform: in other news, lee kuan yew is dead
mircea_popescu: but no, i dun think its meaningful without the film
mircea_popescu: lemme find you the quote
mircea_popescu: in the end, different people.
jurov: fuck the starvation
trinque: mircea_popescu: the permanent social memory thing; that's what interested me in deedbot
trinque: good documentary about the band Death that invented punk rock
mircea_popescu: money comes after the glory.
mircea_popescu: read the case in point in say henry millers' books. the guy DROVE the sexual revolution,
mircea_popescu: gossip networks and fault tolerant pow. stuff that was there for decades. "we don't understand what matters but we'll stick to clutching at the straws we recognise"
jurov: these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening
mircea_popescu: for lolz, contrast this with the entire "we don't understand bitcoin but are excited at the blockchain technology" thingee.
mircea_popescu: we're getting a new body, it's wot-innervated and bitcoin-perfused and im starting to guess the musculature etc.
mircea_popescu: and so on. it's not just the dusk of "america", it's the end of "democracy" and liberalism etc.
mircea_popescu: as that shit's coming to hit the fan with its "equality" and whatnot, the whole tectonic plaque's going to come this way again.
mircea_popescu: since somehow "tradition" was for a while cognate with "don't need to read or write or even know history, tradition is what i say it is", there was a major, multi-secular migration towards "liberalism"
mircea_popescu: if they buy into the entire "socialist nice" thing, as exemplified by say the original dispute that created this place, or whatever recent quiote from some linus criticism of poettering's or w/e, you get one sort of failure mode of science.
trinque: hm yeah, and the thing has inertia. places with scientists are better places for scientists, that sort of thing?
mircea_popescu: so, on the score of "what is bitcoin disrupting" : getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society.
mircea_popescu: it all flows from packaging and selling other people's added value, and those other people are pointedly not part of the democracy, nor is their donation necessary in absolutely any sense.
mircea_popescu: that scientists happened to prefer working with one of the available ideologies rather than the other. there's nothing ~fundamental~ about the "well being" of democracy.
mircea_popescu: but not subscribing to that particular silly manicheism allows one to see that really, the modern story of "libertard society driving out honor society (aka, amusingly, honorata societa)" has everything to do with a happenstance :
mircea_popescu: and this is where it comes out that mp sees only very moderate problems with "honor killings", for instance, as atrociously intoilerable they may seem to the libertard set. meanwhile mp sees some problem with say "hospital deaths", as totally benign and normal and expected they seem to the same set.
mircea_popescu: then again, pirates invented the "honor among thieves" thing which is what we're fundamentally continuating here. "how could there be rule of law otuside of usg ?!?!" "same way there was rule of law in the fucking bahamas"
mircea_popescu: jurov not sure socialisation is the key here. for instance, navigators perfectly honorable, except if not.
mircea_popescu: so i agree that punishing the plebs for being "bicurious" or "metrosexual" or "gender confused" or "Transsexual" or w/e is really silly, they're simply sexless.
mircea_popescu: for that matter - being A DOCTOR is becoming more like this, and wasn't like this before at all - it was the very pinnacle of liberal profession.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i dunno that there's something magical about the office automatically requiring this.
mircea_popescu: now, you're right in saying that gender is not really an attribute of lower life forms, and if one becomes a part of some sort of machine the gender's useless to them, which is how we got bees and ants in the first place.
nubbins`: you see some wild setups. like shirts being hung on a clothesline and wheeled across a 30 foot bank of hung oven elements
mircea_popescu: besides, historically, every new job was deemed to be "devoid of the possibility of honor"
mircea_popescu: see, to propose honor is somehow in the job ie external rather than i nthe person seems nonsense.
nubbins`: which everyone thought was odd, until one guy from there explained how many ovens an actual flash cure would cost
mircea_popescu: jurov why couldn't they ?
nubbins`: philippines in particular has a massive amount of small-industry silkscreen and almost all of them are using dismantled ovens for curing
nubbins`: THAT SAID, people can and do use the huge-coil ones
nubbins`: dwell 10s while i print the next one, rotate again etc
mircea_popescu: if you do 1k of the things, metal is actualy very reasonable. just the right sort of q inertia
Pierre_Rochard: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/24/apple-acquires-durable-database-company-foundationdb/ < NoSQL just became NoDB. Everyone who jumped on that bandwagon got their comuppance
nubbins`: mircea_popescu huge slab of steel = unreasonable heat-up times, plus the thing'd fall over frontwards
mircea_popescu: actually americans used to be pretty honorable as far as these things go.
mircea_popescu: more points scored for japan than everything the us state dept did past decade put together.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 13:21:38; nubbins`: the $300 one has... a domestic oven element. http://imgur.com/KJqDivg
mircea_popescu: im sure it's the damned forum bug.
mircea_popescu: o look, 403 didn't work either.
assbot: Finding the Treatment Options that Suck Less | The Good, the Bad & the Funny of these Crazy Meds ... ( http://bit.ly/1y36v43 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's his othersite with woes http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently he popped a RAID earlier this week and started his rebuild with the site still up
nubbins`: SBC and 160GB hdd for $149, how they makin money!
nubbins`: re: bitseed node, are they using refurb HDDs or something?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert ?
assbot: Bug in forum software let people on while set offline DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF GOING OFFLINE TO SPEED REBUILD! Now my IP only hence 403 msg
mircea_popescu: "just gotta find the right zit to pop, and out she goes"
mircea_popescu: you know, like the american beauty notion that somewhere in the obnoxious bitch that's anette benning there's still the girl that flashed helicopters.
trinque: time to time I regress to the delusion that somewhere within the state's there's still actual entrepreneurship
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have a policy to take out libtards and shoot them. so it's doomed.