nubbins`: i had to modify makefile for osx because all the path stuff wasn't resolving, your gentoo might have similar prob
nubbins`: that's trying to include the same dir three times
nubbins`: danielpbarron here's a snippet from the last chunk of text you shared
mod6: i've never used gentoo before, but if this still a problem/not-resolved by the end of the day, I'll try to setup a new droplet and test the auto.sh changes there.
nubbins`: openssl is the first dep that should get downloaded and compiled, so if it's halting there it's probably a path issue
nubbins`: heck, skip pastebin and danielpbarron.com them
mod6: if you tried to build that version of auto.sh on an ARM arch, then i can see why you had issues.
mod6: Did you read this email? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000071.html << this /should/ work on an x86 arch
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Adlai: decentralization theater :P
chetty: <mircea_popescu> According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as țuică.//only 75%?
mircea_popescu: According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as țuică.
BingoBoingo is awfuly sure unregulated corn distillation products self has consumed in the past conatained far below te mandated fusile alcohols of the nao
mircea_popescu: you know these things get highly traditional / fixated.
mircea_popescu: well i was talking of the traditional process as used, not of whatever random strange one may try.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, properly fermented plums specifically are so and so.
mircea_popescu: jurov there's two things : one, what you use and how you ferment it. two, how you distil.
jurov: "for example apple juice can have 0.2-0.3% methanol, or if derived from pulp by enzymatic degradation, the levels can be 2 to 3 times higher."
BingoBoingo: I've drank 98+ proof corn whiskey aged right with minimal fusile alcohols. Everyone wants their tradition to be the saint
mircea_popescu: in the single digit ppm.
BingoBoingo: jurov: He has an idealistic image of the old country
BingoBoingo: My parents unlocked the scotch at 12
jurov: heh. my parents themselves started to give me wine.. at 15 or so :D
mircea_popescu: even if you start with a 50-50 mixture, keep the still open at ~75 degrees for half an hour, then you can just let it burn and collect the result.
mircea_popescu: anywya, if memory serves there's a good 10-20 degrees differential between ethanol and methanol boiling points.
mircea_popescu: seeing how one hundred thousand people made their own for decade upon decade without ill effect.
mircea_popescu: they probably tried to "concoct grappa" out of office chairs or something.
cazalla: prob for the best i don't bottle my own, i'd be in perpetual state of drunkedness
cazalla: "Initial reports about the four men's methanol poisoning suggest it occurred when they tried to concoct grappa, a grape-based brandy."
cazalla: mircea_popescu, must be making something else then, i have nfi, just hear in the media now and again
mircea_popescu: there's no methanol in this process.
cazalla: and whenever some dudes die from the methanol they produced, they make a big deal of it in the media to warn of the dangers of diy at home
mircea_popescu: romania (at least back in the day) was this place where nothing could be banned.
mircea_popescu: so when it's firing time... buncha very drunk dudes that swear they didn't drink a drop
mircea_popescu: most respectable older men run their own stills, and they usually leak and are in basements
mircea_popescu: romania (at least the nw, where i'm from) is all about this particular plum distilate.
cazalla: the funny thing is, i could've left him in there but i was so frightened that i opened it so that he could beat me
cazalla: yeah my opa use to make it, locked him in the cellar once, such a hiding for that one
cazalla: i suspek gypies sell non-alcoholic wine to young romanian men as american's sell oregano to the teens :P
BingoBoingo: Drink is totally not a big deal. In the same way standardized tests in the US are not a big deal. The cost to pass maximally is trivial.
mircea_popescu: i suspek that makes me a heavy drinker, at least at the time.
mircea_popescu: cazalla heh notrly. my high mark is putting away something over a liter of 50% moonshine and then walking out.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the thing, if it's not a big deal it just... isn't a big deal.
BingoBoingo has alway done the deception thing
cazalla: BingoBoingo, ya know i use to get carded when i was 16, but i was smart enough to know the guy working at the bottle shop probably couldn't subtract my age from the current year, so he would glance at my provisional drivers licence and ring up my drinks no probs
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> but if it's you turning up blind drunk and acing a test, i'd believe it << Since 1998 when the injun store stopped carding me
mircea_popescu: also, beneficial identity theft!
mircea_popescu: cazalla he probably only does it for the free rape
cazalla: and good luck getting rolling down drunk and turning up in person, at least you can do online tests and write for them at home while drunk
BingoBoingo: Do they, no
cazalla: how well can a student pay you for pretending to be them?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You never write for students, you BE the students
cazalla: BingoBoingo, ya know, big business down under in writing papers for uni students, big drama other week regarding it http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mymaster-essay-cheating-scandal-more-than-70-university-students-face-suspension-20150318-1425oe.html
BingoBoingo has never scored lower than 176/180 on the LSAT. I am the full package law school Fast Forward button.
BingoBoingo is sure most people's best chance at passing the bar is hiring me to ident as them through law school
BingoBoingo still takes the LSAT on commision for select bidders
BingoBoingo: I just think it is too early to surrender to the chicoms. Even though I could prolly bang out a qntra.chicom in 45 minutes if I wasn't so pickled atm.
brendafdez: black kiss, just what the doctor ordered
cazalla: i can just see you as the romanian vers of it's only smellz
mircea_popescu: fun fact : most large felines don't know how to shit as infants, so the mother licks their asshole to stimulate bowel movements.
BingoBoingo: You affraid of the poop muff?
mircea_popescu: cazalla he just doesn't want hair in the asshole is all.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am totally fine with the En language space surrendering except as a pidgin used in trade. If you let a single slant language into the acceptable trading space though. I sense trouble. Don't know of, but anticipate
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> I could see placing spanish well before portugese because fuck brazil if they aren't waxing <<< so muff is ok ya know
brendafdez: <mircea_popescu> brendafdez better get out of the defensive shell of stupid and work your butt off, i think. << oops ;)
Adlai: those who want more compensation for translators to some language, must buy shares in order to have their voices heard/regarded by the editors
mircea_popescu: Adlai how are the shareholders paying exactly ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo brazil is waxing yo. and btw, general point : girls get their tit implants age 16 down here.
BingoBoingo: I could see placing spanish well before portugese because fuck brazil if they aren't waxing
mircea_popescu: russian, japanese right ? then all the arabs will get pissy because why do we pick the one or the other ?
cazalla: but other than that, those are top 3 next to english i assume
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I hurd they were on US feminist diabeetus diet
cazalla: why would we want anything other than spanish and chinesey?
mircea_popescu: and before you dismiss that, you should see what fucking tits & ass lean tall blonde stuff they produce!
BingoBoingo: Finish not a lang either, it is a goal
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo the thing is, if you give them parity you'll end up with you know, hungarian translation of 500 qntra articles diluting you to shit << Editors discretion. Fucking hungarian sucks, not a lang
mircea_popescu: cazalla so then let them be 1:1 but only allow basically es, en, cn and mebbe portuguese ?
cazalla: but then seeing i can only speaka da english , i am prolly not qualified to "opine" on such matters lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the thing is, if you give them parity you'll end up with you know, hungarian translation of 500 qntra articles diluting you to shit.
davout: mircea_popescu: some languages are much shorter than others, dutch is much denser than french for example
cazalla: i really don't see the issue with matching it 1:1 on the basis translation is useful, es not as much as cn but still
cazalla: BingoBoingo, they have indian and greek too now!
mircea_popescu: the first time today i sat here and couldn't figure out a problem was when i tried to parse davout's proposal. brain just can't cope.
davout: mircea_popescu: half the shares of the original article? or half the shares of the translated piece? i'd say the former makes more sense
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cazalla i was thinking btw, on the general principle of translations. what do you think of a model where translations, be they en to es, or es to en or cn to en or whatever they may be count for half the shares ? << +10%vote unless that is horribly uneconomical
mircea_popescu: cazalla i was thinking btw, on the general principle of translations. what do you think of a model where translations, be they en to es, or es to en or cn to en or whatever they may be count for half the shares ?
BingoBoingo a liter in deeper than when I last touched the skunkswork project
mircea_popescu: wasn't in there i dun think ?
mircea_popescu: brendafdez better get out of the defensive shell of stupid and work your butt off, i think.
brendafdez: didn't last more than a year in law school either, although it was in fact easier than math
brendafdez: back then i thoguth i was oing to study engineering but this made me change my mind and say, ok... maybe law will be easier, less numbers, no algebra. Sadly no calculator to cheat either.
brendafdez: i never got algebra, it was like as far as i can write notes, the calculator is ok for me
BingoBoingo: The -89 did algebra if you put it in right...
BingoBoingo: skipped it for the -89
brendafdez: <BingoBoingo> Feel free to ask in chan why Bingo loves the Motorola 68K chips
mircea_popescu: so they should be.
pete_dushenski: alright gang, off to dream about the next papal wars.
mircea_popescu: and it follows the bitcoin curve to boot!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> <BingoBoingo> I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous < << Ah, I'm just thinking he might have a better measure of the enemy's pulse.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous <
BingoBoingo wonders if anyone else here remembers when the Library marketed LOCKSS solution was based on OBSD
BingoBoingo: I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous because how much can it cost USG to rack 3 tons of banana pi's
mircea_popescu: b is a non starter because srsly, do the maffs.
mircea_popescu: a is a non starter because their demo is reddit demo = poor people. it has to be free or no dice.
mircea_popescu: you don't seriously imagine the rasbperry pi 150 dollar node a) can achieve critical mass or b) can support gavincoin ?
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 20:01:21; thestringpuller: ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> "Jordan has signed a $10bn deal with Russia to build the kingdom's first nuclear power plant, with two 1,000-megawatt reactors in the country's north." << someone is actually building nuclear reactors these days. << /me remembers when King Hussein was the "Good Guy" (TM)
pete_dushenski: "Jordan has signed a $10bn deal with Russia to build the kingdom's first nuclear power plant, with two 1,000-megawatt reactors in the country's north." << someone is actually building nuclear reactors these days.
pete_dushenski: hopefully the front isn't ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: well, i'll bug you another time i guess. i just tend to strike when the iron is hot, even if the iron is also blackout wasted.
mircea_popescu: lol there's little more amusing than seeing people try various fringe ideologies on b-a.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 18:24:31; ascii_field: nubbins`: payware costing money is by far the least significant problem with it, in my experience
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068333 << there's exactly one field where payware is the only weay to go, and that's games.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I thought I rated you earlier. If not leave a not. I'm too pickled atm to access important keys. Insufficiently skilled at the knife.
assbot: You rated user pete_dushenski on 08-Jul-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Pimp..
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I've met plenty of young jews and gotten along fine. The mythic old jews are something else
mircea_popescu: to the point in my head it connotes that, like bingo connotes old jewish women
pete_dushenski: you'll just have to trust me that i'm a decent singer then.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068229 << see! it bothers you when usians do it. somehow, orlov-tolerant.
mircea_popescu: well you don't win the lottery each year.
pete_dushenski: ^the 'gold rush'
mircea_popescu: note that out of that 1.6%, about 1.5% is state-sponsored crapolade a la zynga. leaving the other 0.1% with an accidental 55k this year, which is barely enough to you know, pay rent.
mircea_popescu: 'According to reporting, "1.6 percent of developers earn more than the other 98.4 percent combined. And the bottom 47 percent of engineers earn less than $100 per month." << o chjecxk it out asciilifeform! as jurov sayz, clearly this isn't working o.O
pete_dushenski: he's in far better condition to charge into battle than the hitler youth opa
mircea_popescu: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54bb4cfce4b045585ada36f7/t/5510d89ce4b0fda1fcf4a144/1427167390317/ << o look, overweight, impotent, irrelvant and fundamentally cowardly white middleaged men clining to the unwarranted pretense of relevance.
pete_dushenski: well i for one would like to see what the argentinian in the big house could muster as far as a military goes
mircea_popescu: those imperialistic dreams of the papal states were apparently never extinguished!
mircea_popescu: italy is massing army at the french border
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068157 << clearly shot down by the italian separatists under berlusconi
pete_dushenski: he has a couple other too, none do quite that well but i was reasonably impressed that he hadn't lost his shirt
mircea_popescu: and for the forum retards at that.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 17:04:54; nubbins`: anyway tl;dr their approach works well enough for them
brendafdez: I like it when they tell me right away that their security is crap. So I don't have to wonder. Here, hashed what?
brendafdez: hough you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you."
brendafdez: I was just approved to join the linux for women mailing list. In the welcome email I'm both reminded that 'what happens on list stays on list' (no archives or sharing) and they also say literally "You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: XGx4#KmI#HeF%P7C^ Normally, Mailman will remind you of your linuxchix.org mailing list passwords once every month, alt
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you wouldn't complain that the strippers don't wait on tables properly, would you ? as a woman ? << Serious labor problem here in the Middle West. Strippers aren't table servers
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't complain that the strippers don't wait on tables properly, would you ? as a woman ?
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 16:47:19; pete_dushenski: on one end is disinterest, a la paris or w/e, on the other end is entitlement
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as in, i don't think so i can go wallow in the mud. i think so the mud can't come wallowing on me. << I wasted years 19 to 27 with the contrapositive here pls don't make the mistake
mircea_popescu: as in, i don't think so i can go wallow in the mud. i think so the mud can't come wallowing on me.
mircea_popescu: the point of a functioning intellect isn't to make one one with the universe. the point of a functioning intellect is to make it impossible for the universe to make itself one with one.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 16:27:38; mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068045 << no "figuring out" is contemplated or desired. that division is desired, so that the loafers can dangle.
BingoBoingo: Even then Rubidium standards are cheap. Run Ntpd as Stratum 1.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 16:22:37; mats: the claim i'm most concerned about is that the weakness was engineered by NSA, and that, by having approved it, NIST was complicit, thus casting doubt on all other NIST standards
BingoBoingo has an M.I.Forget.All.The.Letters
nubbins`: i know, and all they gave me was a b.sc.
trinque: nubbins` | <+ben_vulpes> http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list << it vanished, dpaste sux << had the tab http://dpaste.com/2MAHAB9.txt
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 15:13:34; mats: show me the motherfucking evidence! you mean to tell me these bureaucrats decided not to commit anything to paper this go-around?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067925 << a request not unlike "so you found drugs in his car ? but where's the notebook ? no notebook, no conviction!"
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 15:01:59; asciilifeform: yes, some crypto designers make mistake, they are good people, sure, whatever. i will borrow from slavoj iek and say then 'we put them to a good wall, shoot them with a good bullet from a good gun, and bury them in with a good shove in the good earth' - since sure, they are good people.
mircea_popescu: well alternatively a) deedbot b) set the damned timer.
mircea_popescu: the cm field issue is probably the most concerning, and if there's a baked in backdoor (something like, say, nsa is able to directly see through maybe 10% of all keys ever generated ?) that's where it'd be, that 3= -1 * 3≈ -2^1.6 property it shares with weak curves like bn(2,254) etc.
nubbins`: <gmaxwell> ugh: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30562s/bitnodes_will_be_releasing_plug_play_bitcoin_node/ ... we removed bitnodes as a dnsseed in bitcoin core because they kept engaging in sketchy behavior, and IMO dishonest. (e.g. we'd ask them to stop connecting at super high frequency to monitor every node in the network, and they said they would.. and a month later they instead had a perpetual
assbot: Risperdal (risperidone) & Invega (paliperidone) - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkTKD4 )
BingoBoingo: DJB also has inherent paranoia to the point http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/forum/23-risperdal-risperidone-invega-paliperidone/ to the point of lactation may be a substitute for grains of salt
mircea_popescu: particularly the ladder... so it's not a montgommery curve. so what.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, Daniel J. Bernstein is merely going by ec2, which is based on cm field discriminants / laders and indistinguishability
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067856 << all the excitedness about it recently re bitcoin does make it look suspicious.
mircea_popescu: but for the fate of a random usg muppet ? dude, burn him down, his name won't even be remembered.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 14:54:16; fluffypony: I think it's very hard to tell the difference between mistake and malice.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067841 << and more importantly : improductive to try. the guy who we hang if we consider it malice doesn't belong to us anyway. if he were in the wot maybe the point would be remotely worht considering
mircea_popescu: but importantly, your skepticism, while amply affirmed, is not supported by anything else. so you're skeptical of x theory, as an aesthetic matter. good for you. what's that do ?
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 14:51:20; mats: look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067830 << the "tor stinks" evidence is in the public record.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 14:41:46; mats: ive personally confirmed with schneier - in person - and have second-hand confirmations by others who have interacted with recipients of leaks
ben_vulpes: "two decades of malicious microsoft sales. you have to expect the attacks, and the schools are simply the widest-open targets."
ben_vulpes: just had a "don't blame the hackers" conversation.
BingoBoingo: Or Coindesk/buzz could stop inflating the typical numbers ransomeware demands
mircea_popescu: alternatively, they coul;d just ditch shit-o-soft...
assbot: ButterNubber comments on An entire US school district is having its whole network held hostage for a 500 bitcoin ransom. The FBI and Homeland Security are getting involved. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GifYv8 )
ben_vulpes: and you can take fifty of them with you in a backpack...anywhere.
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 00:37:43; assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants...
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069289 << no man, the solid *is* the drone.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes) << Many ground pounders in the extended family, slosest one to using chute at all broke ankle on helachoppa repel
asciilifeform: (anyone considering -actually- pouring electronics into cement - remember that it dries exothermically! need cooling)
nubbins`: slab+post case could hold the heat sink too
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: case holds the heatsink
nubbins`: you could put whatever lid on the pogo you wanted
asciilifeform: if it is used in the exact form we are accustomed to - i see no issue with it
mircea_popescu: it's not even just that. gotta make sure it correctly takes and verifies the sigs now. etc etc.
asciilifeform: these - no
asciilifeform: (my boxes have an arrow pointing to the lid, 'removable and has sata')
asciilifeform: -may be- the right
mircea_popescu: it's the no disk one innit ?
mircea_popescu: ah yeah not the right kind
mircea_popescu: then you complain that no time and stuff. srsly.
mircea_popescu: no dude. you're trying to raise the engineering bill by 1000s of dollah to save pennies.
asciilifeform: and getting physical objects from one place to another is still pretty hard.
mircea_popescu: so then we buy more.
asciilifeform: but they aren't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if these were still made and we could parachute them around the world - that'd be one thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gpg fits handily on the nand
asciilifeform: and no other behaviour
mircea_popescu: once they make a 4gb unit for ~25 we'll think about it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if 'humane' can open shell when that programmable button near the jack is pressed
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 04:29:57; asciilifeform: at the very minimum, development units ought to have it
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069747 <forget it, user can load new brew like he loaded the original ois.
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 04:21:10; trinque: up to the operator to deploy updates later?
ben_vulpes: anyone who runs without -connect is asking for it in the arse.
asciilifeform: and did the dns seed snip ever get merged ?
ben_vulpes: then send *from*
asciilifeform: eh i know it isn't 'sexy' but don't forget the seed list.
ben_vulpes: i get to strike #1 off the foundation todo list!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? << this actually raises the all-important question of priority list
asciilifeform: the photo mats randomly posted today is, incidentally, a picturesque metaphor for what we're doing.
nubbins`: whoever survived the first time they tried the signatures was deemed an expert and dispersed throughout the other units
asciilifeform: (fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the implication is that various internals are accessible, and flow can be stopped
nubbins`: there's no POSIX standard for bitcoin
asciilifeform: (i for one will happily jump with the parachute i packed for self. but my carcass isn't worth especially much)
trinque: asciilifeform: will also be useful to out any fuckery of the phoundation client later down the chain
asciilifeform: or at least the fate of truly serious folks with much to lose
asciilifeform: trinque: because of the difficulty, and ultimately the very real practical limits of programmatic proof, tandem is likely our fate for many years.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and one of the folks here (not guaranteed that it'll be me) writes a spiffy 'ab initio' bitcoind
asciilifeform: that is, one which (or, even better, its subcomponents) can be ran in lockstep with another nominally-equivalent program
asciilifeform: i will admit that, with regards to the reference version (let's call it 'traditional') i am especially interested in a tandem-operable variant
ben_vulpes: k well write a bitcoind then shiva
asciilifeform: there we go
ben_vulpes: it pins the protocol
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference << see, reference y'all