ascii_field: actually, i can see them trying to convert'em to 0.10 or what it was
thestringpuller: 20mb is only the limit!
mircea_popescu: there can not be a power ranger node that can run on a pogo.
ascii_field: this still doesn't give us a license to be retarded when making these
nubbins`: i was about to flash the nand when i recalled a nebulous something about this
nubbins`: brainfarted and thought you mentioned smth about a uboot being in there
mircea_popescu: trinque it autowins the fork.
mircea_popescu: "i wonder why that doesn't work, the allignm,ent was perfect!"
mircea_popescu: it does not work. might as well grab the moon with a tweezer
trinque: not "winning" in the sense of a fork?
trinque: is it just a matter of preserving the existing chain?
mircea_popescu: this is not a discussion of anything but the hard laws.
ascii_field: neh from my perch it looks like they're gearing up for an elementary meat war of conventional nodes
mircea_popescu: what's the pogo gonna do ?
ascii_field: ^ my puny brain does not get the meaning of this
mircea_popescu: actual hardware is useless for their purposes
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 17:39:09; ascii_field: i utterly understand the desire to 'tivoize' these things so they don't get turned into phoundation nodes by lamers. but this can be done without idiot waste.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070795 << there's no such thing desired or even possible. understand : the scam foundation is stupid because it is actually stupid, not because me or you or god said it should be deemed as stupid.
trinque: mircea_popescu: someone should have a business doing aftermarket mods on these
ascii_field: (they often unzip)
trinque: how hard would it be to break the accelerometer?
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 17:37:53; ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated << so, let's go into this in detail. they ship with all the seed ips they will ever have? for the record i proclaim this to be retarded. -keys- are the constants of our world, not ip addrs
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070794 << the SEEDS. nodes constantly discover their own peers. starting from a seed list.
mircea_popescu is unfamiliar with the field.
mircea_popescu: trinque im thinking the same, this is something readily resolved in court.
ascii_field: to the crapolade
ascii_field thought that mircea_popescu was asking why the machines are offered for purchase rather than, as often happens with such equipment, for lease
ascii_field: i thought mircea_popescu was asking why a firm would purchase rather than lease the machines
mircea_popescu: gotta love the systematic nature of stupid.
mircea_popescu: "a company, not a person - or in other words nobody"
mircea_popescu: 'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them."
ascii_field: (phun phact for non-u.s. folks: all u.s. dollar notes have exactly the same physical dimensions.)
mircea_popescu: so do these ?
ascii_field: different game. 'they wanted to believe'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they did try, and result could only fool a muppet
trinque: the great canon pixma revolution of 2018
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "Copy machine money" : this is a sad necessity. if it weren't present, muppets WOULD "try it", and discover "it works", and srsly financial collapse. for real.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> batorade (tm) << secreted by the batshit insane ?
mircea_popescu: trinque oddly that thing doesn't load any content for me. either im not drunk enough or you broke it.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> The User is Drunk ... << why not go all the way and admit it. "the user is stupid, therefore worthless. so am i. please pay me money because worthless idiots are people too. HUMAN RIGHTS ARE IRREVERSIBLE!!11"
jurov: <fluffypony> Romania: Internet vs. Roads << slovakia the same
ascii_field: ^ vintage thread. but reposted for the record
ascii_field: it will lock out the machine.'
ascii_field: 'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them. Due to some business changes, we want to move the machines around the shop floor to reconfigure our machining cell however as we've done more research, we've found that there is a small board in the electrical panel of the machine that houses a gyroscope so that if the machine is moved/tilted,
ascii_field: anybody recall the gps-boobytrapped cnc mills thread
trinque: bahaha, either works
trinque: get enough of those together and "progress concentrate" starts to form, which can be bottled and sold at Whole Foods
trinque: yep given the right spotlight, any hag becomes irresistable
trinque: Ideapod has given me courage to share my insights with its delightful community and made me realise that the problem wasn't my personal content, but my personal context. "
punkman: http://jpleary.tumblr.com/post/113925136153/keywords-for-the-age-of-austerity-16-flexibility
punkman: " Is this your only job? No. I have a full time job changing the world."
ascii_field: or the roaches and bedbugs
ascii_field: or the roommatez
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do they? or does the dependapotomus and its six screaming offspring wake'em
mircea_popescu: you know, stupid people sleep ad libitum by the definition of those terms.
mircea_popescu: if you b-a her name it's all in there because she's one of those (unfamous, anon irrelevant people that appear suddenly and on one topic. as opposed to say lenin.)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the ugly but aging sex in the city aspirationalist that "found satoshi's identity". then ascii_field thought she was rich then she wasn't.
mircea_popescu: leah goodman poor, which is to say he gets a few 100s of discretionary tspending a week and gets to - at the lord's pleasure - inhabit a decent mancave. for now.
mircea_popescu: and to round up the "sam altman is poor" thing : yes, he actually is.
mircea_popescu: since then or b4 ?
thestringpuller: ascii_field: so russian d00d works on implmentations team. he was in the break room and we go up to him to ask him random question about rapper or something, and he's like "I don't have time for this shit. Are you paying me to answer this question?"
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that kid.
mircea_popescu: considering how the entire subculture is composed of nothing but "transhumanists"
ascii_field: for extra mega-b0nus, the 'charity' is run by phriendz/childrenz/catamites of the 'donor'
mircea_popescu: (for poor people reading : "donating to a charity" = tax deduction = you didn't actually spend anything. because say my company has made 1mn revenue this year, and my tax accountant is bs so i have to pay like 120k in tax. if i donate 100k to a charity and pay 30k ish im all done. so therefore - whether i lose this bet or not decides whether i write a check to x or to y, not whether i write the check at all.
mircea_popescu: what's with the charity bs and what's with the sub million bs. is this the new jersey memorial golf circuit ?
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 17:13:12; punkman: http://blog.samaltman.com/bubble-talk "This bet is open to the first VC who would like to take it . The loser donates $100,000 to a charity of the winner’s choice." meh
ascii_field: danielpbarron: at first i though that the rear button was a cpu reset line
ascii_field: these are sata-less variant ?
ascii_field: foundation - therealbitcoin
nubbins`: so the switch from phoundation seeds to foundation seeds must happen after said pipes are tapped
ascii_field: the movability is like nukes, shouldn't ever have to be -used- - with any regularity
ascii_field: try to see, i don't suggest hosting therealbitcoin mega-seeds on dynamic ip consumer boxes
nubbins`: unit comes w/ instructions for use, that includes grabbing both the bitcoind tarball and a seed list tarball of choice
nubbins`: foundation could publish a list of trusted seeds each month w/ state of the union
ascii_field: but simply 'we can move these at zero cost to us and ours if we want to, so don't bother shooting at them'
ascii_field: but there is a reasonably sane solution that doesn't involve secrecy
nubbins`: at this rate you're gonna have to get in the wot before someone tells you a seed ip
ascii_field: hence the sheer lunacy of unchangeable ips anywhere
ascii_field: nubbins`: node ships with no seeds. even without bitcoind binary. user inserts a storage unit on which he has placed a therealbitcoin-signed tarball. this gets eaten up.
nubbins`: ascii_field so what's the path from rsa key -> seed node
ascii_field: there will be considerably less cat'n'mouse if enemy -knows- that there can be no effect from chewing on the mice
ascii_field: the only reason they are alive (and are they? i checked a good while ago) is that no one cared.
nubbins`: then those six are useless
ascii_field: until they're shot
jurov: if seedlist is to be signed, then it can download it automatically, no?
nubbins`: i think this is on the ml somewhere..
ascii_field: the only way to cut usg-controlled apparatus entirely out of the loop is to have the node get all volatiles (e.g., ip addrs) from files, on inserable media, -signed- by burned-in and prominently-advertised key.
nubbins`: hardcode DNS servers and fill the seed list w/ hostnames instead of ips
ascii_field: at the risk of pissing off many, i will still say, screw ipv6
nubbins`: i'm sure we all have at least a reasonably narrow range of IPs that'll be assigned to our nodes, even if they're dynamic
ascii_field: ultimately the only proper box is one where the only magical constant is an rsa key, and same key is also prominently burned into the chassis
nubbins`: anyway, consider the statement suitably modified
ben_vulpes: and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: he use the phrase '.foundation nodes'
ben_vulpes: there is no friend/foe
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: user-flashed possibly, from vendor state, but not into a configuration that is reflashable in the same idiot (remote exploit) way
ascii_field: i'm fine with him having to buy a new box -then-
ascii_field: why would someone buy a box from therealbitcoin when he suspects we've been turned ?
nubbins`: now you're stuck with a box with OUR keys being the arbiter
ascii_field: to tivo or not to tivo, that is the question
nubbins`: suppose you get a box and then start suspecting we've been turned.
ascii_field: and where mircea_popescu wakes up and says 'now the machine is 1000x more complex, needs to know what wot is'
ascii_field: this is where you gotta make the call re: how much centralization you want.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: use their own keys for what ?
ben_vulpes: so if i might be forgiven for conflating things, should not any subset of the wot graph be able to use their own keys?
ascii_field: the only valid constant is keys.
ascii_field: warning that if we bake machines with unchangeable ip constants, this paints a fat blinking target on them
nubbins`: what sort of handshake happens when you find a live ip in the seed list
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: aha, there you are.
ascii_field: nubbins`: ultimately the first principle is that pubkeys are the only valid locators for anything purporting to be human
ascii_field: give or take a few months, enemy starts to bark up the vaguely-correct tree.
nubbins`: this is getting dangerously closer to bringing the whole seed thing back to first principles, you know
ascii_field: and i disagree with mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'enemy is stupid'. he is not stupid. he is being slow, so as to show off his sprezzatura.
nubbins`: ha, there you go
nubbins`: and there's you with half a blockchain
ascii_field: this is where the enemy excels
ascii_field: nubbins`: i am trying to knock some sense into the folks taking the 'no updates, throw'em out every time' folks
nubbins`: this brings us back to the seeds
ascii_field: user is free to examine the (signed) update on his own time
mthreat: after the land of chipotle
ascii_field: can't rely on anything on the net staying put
nubbins`: where's the seed list now, in a fucking .c file or something?
nubbins`: gpg and curl, at the very least
ascii_field: nubbins`: this means gpg on the nodes
ascii_field: nubbins`: there you go
ascii_field: or emplacing own turd there
ascii_field: one of the few things usg is reliably good at is making a particular ip unusable
nubbins`: whether i buy 3 or 50
ascii_field: (the vendor is selling a loss-leader, hoping to attract chumps to its 5/mo. 'cloud' crapolade)
ascii_field: right now some bezzlatronic idiot is paying the difference
ascii_field: once the twentybux boxes run out (and i expect that it will happen sooner rather than later) prepare to pay six times more for each node.
ascii_field: i utterly understand the desire to 'tivoize' these things so they don't get turned into phoundation nodes by lamers. but this can be done without idiot waste.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated << so, let's go into this in detail. they ship with all the seed ips they will ever have? for the record i proclaim this to be retarded. -keys- are the constants of our world, not ip addrs
ascii_field: danielpbarron: i'd like more specific info on how to make my own u-boot << i have a u-boot built from official source. the buildroot thing -also- builds a u-boot, as a matter of course, but i have not yet tested that one
punkman: http://blog.samaltman.com/bubble-talk "This bet is open to the first VC who would like to take it . The loser donates $100,000 to a charity of the winner’s choice." meh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` installs the dix first!
nubbins`: might be easier than figuring out why the docs won't install
nubbins`: here's the Makefile from openssl
nubbins`: if you're only doing the first step, ourlibs won't be fully populated
nubbins`: ourlibs is where things get put as they're compiled
mircea_popescu: they don't run
nubbins`: match the os
nubbins`: hey, the best swordsmaster who ever lived was bested by a farmer with a quarterstaff
nubbins`: just wetting the stones
nubbins`: yeah, find is one thing, build properly is another
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i've done the same thing tho. i only had access to 32bit windows for my gaming rig, and i have to wipe the entire thing to install a 64bit version.
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> this is a different one than the one that didn't have the db_cxx.h <<< ah
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron don't worry, you also put 64 bit on the 32 bit arm.
nubbins`: try that and paste the result
nubbins`: haha actually sorry, the pastebin i linked above has 1 error
nubbins`: then run it, see what errors it throws
nubbins`: comment out everything in auto.sh but the chunk where it builds bdb
nubbins`: danielpbarron at the risk of being silly, does db_cxx.h exist in /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs/include
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZyYqB )
mircea_popescu: moldavian count. famous pop singer of the 20s. after which, took up clay pigeon shooting, and became world champion 4ever.
nubbins`: instead of just mousing around the login screen with no kbd input :D
nubbins`: mircea_popescu hey who knows, maybe there'll be an osx build some time this summer
mod6: you may want to do like one at a time: Comment out 77-95 (for BDB) & 97-119 (for Boost) and just see if you get a clean build from OpenSSL. Then if so, comment out 58-75 (openssl) and uncomment 77-95 for BDB and just run that... etc etc.
PeterL: I have entertained the idea of trying to implant gut flora from herbivores to allow us to live off grass, could be fun, no?
nubbins`: other side of the coin is that i've stopped indulging in mcdonald's and plastic food for long enough that the natural desire to eat /living food/ has come back
nubbins`: coffee plantation was the first time i ever saw (and smelled) a smell sample kit
nubbins`: incidentally, coffee is up there with wine as far as variety of chemical compunds goes
mircea_popescu: guanine and ti something, almost 1/3 of the job
mircea_popescu: moreover, the variety of bacteria is actually staggering.
mircea_popescu: not that i'm contesting the importance and corectness of whatever, maillard, what have you. but nobody who looked at the matter seriously is claiming the problem to be even described
mircea_popescu: the vinegar thing is an industrial product and at best cattle feed.
mircea_popescu: pickes are cucumbers fermented in a saline solution in the dark and cool.
mircea_popescu: no, they are not.
mircea_popescu: it's "broadly this" and "mostly that" all the way.
mircea_popescu: at any rate : most actual foodstuffs, such as pickles, cheeses, cured and aged meats etc aren't even flora-enumerated, in the sense that we don't even really know what all grows on them
mircea_popescu: if you had a cistern to run through, and a few years and an infinity of budgets, you maybe could get something sorta usable some of the time. which is about wheree it is.
nubbins`: "it DOES taste like oiled leather and rustic tobacco"
nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present
nubbins`: now take a glass of house red and a glass of $5000/bottle red and ask the guy to do a blind taste test.
nubbins`: everyone's seen a sommelier identify the vineyard by taste
PeterL: sure, you can identify the differing concentrations of various chemicals
mircea_popescu: your competent oenologist can usually spot the year and most of the time the vineyard. not the region mind. the vineyard.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sure, soime cases are more advantageous than others. now go distinguish a glass of wine from another glass of wine, chemically.
PeterL: what about them? chemists can say what they are, but might not be able to recreate them in the lab
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this "chemically the same molecule" ... i can distinguish peppers and capsein.
nubbins` points out that "artificial flavor" and "natural flavor" can be chemically the same molecule, but must be labelled according to origin
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing chemistry describes about food is that it has no hope in hell of describing it, and here's some alternatives that 90% of people can't distinguish
nubbins`: or other marker
PeterL: you think there is some mysterious undescribed part of food?
nubbins`: then run ./auto.sh again
nubbins`: danielpbarron: add these two lines to your auto.sh, right below "export LDFLAGS=" at the bottom
mircea_popescu: <jurov> guess they hope to sell mining equipment with the key baked in << wouldn't this necessarily leak it ?
PeterL: but are there geneticists that specialize in behaviour?
nubbins`: there were behaviourists who specialized in genetics 8)
PeterL: and yes, there are chemists who specialize in food chemistry
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 04:52:20; mircea_popescu: but to belabour the point : one of the principal reasons "measuring iq" as it were height is so ridiculous, is because nobody has yet had an off day for height.
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061881 << my brother is ~6 ft tall, but usually slouches so he looks about 5'7
nubbins`: (might be totally not the issue but worth examining)
nubbins`: actually all three of your attempts show the same thing