asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have no evidence that the two events are connected. mere suspicion.
nubbins`: asciilifeform the unit's got an rtc tho, it's just not seeing it?
decimation: via the same interstate commerce clause
decimation: after all, the fcc claims to regulate your wifi
decimation: how can the state of michigan regulate interstate commerce?
decimation: actually this raises an interesting jurisdictional problem - the faa claims jurisdiction over all airspace above 0 feet
PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits
mod6: ok one last thing before I rebuild... I needed to add the "-nodnsseed" to bitcoind upon start up otherwise it would just start and exit without doing anything
decimation: why does this even need to be a law? isn't it obvious that if a flying object is 'harassing' you while you are armed, the proper answer is to shoot it?
PeterL: "The Michigan Department of Natural Resources hasn't received any complaints of hunters using a drone or getting harassed by a drone" << my representatives, hard at work solving problems they just invented
decimation: to be fair, I guess neither intel nor amd 'support' linux
decimation: the problem with open source is that the source code might as well be on mars if nobody can read/use it
asciilifeform: i dropped the link to that turd here. can go and see for yourself
asciilifeform: decimation: they think their 2.6.something built with proprietary (segger?) buildatron is 'open source'
mod6: there are some different warnings than i've seen before though. i'll rebuild the entire thing again for good measure and use `script` to record the build.
decimation: asciilifeform: if marvell are so keen on supporting 'open source' devel, why don't they support a proper kernel build?
asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.'
asciilifeform: (and no, it is not available in any format other than pdf, nor is it remotely readable if put through garbage compactor and turned into text, fucking deal with it)
decimation: my perception is that there is some science to it, but it's mostly bs
asciilifeform: while trying to init the rtc
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts it ends up switching on the watchdog countdown.
asciilifeform: (i built it with rootfs cemented in kernel just as a quick test, to avoid having to flash the nand. i have kernel load from lan via tftp for tests. with rootfs and all contents, it is around 21M.)
nubbins`: "[armel/kirkwood]: Enable DEBUG_MVEBU_UART_ALTERNATE to match the behaviour
asciilifeform: this box is iron-stable running other items
asciilifeform: watchdogs aren't evil, they are a sad necessity in the world of typical c programmers
asciilifeform: there is nothing random about this crash.
asciilifeform: it wasn't the ill-fated sandisk sata flash.
mod6: i just used the auto.sh (v0.0.5-32)
ben_vulpes: hm. i'll read your documentation before embarrasing myself further...
nubbins`: now the banner fits on my screen :D
mod6: (removed the size attribute)
nubbins`: <font face="courier" color="#00FF00" size="+1"> <<< size should be either not present, or -1
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:40:01; asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill.
nubbins`: who maintains thebitcoin.foundation website?
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 19:19:30; asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.'
asciilifeform: to the point of outputting how many days in cask of what wood
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd... << There's a burrowing and colonizing Vespid species endemic here. When they nest in the yard it is time for the serious chemicals. Eradicating a nest will scar that part of the yard for years.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:16; asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked.
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 15:00:24; *: nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present
nubbins`: asciilifeform there's 140 "master sommeliers" in usa
mircea_popescu: ah lol. so then my suggestion best avenue.
asciilifeform: my thesis is that i've not a clue.
nubbins`: asciilifeform the genuine articles are few and far between
mircea_popescu: so wiat, is your thesis that this doesn't exist ? or what ?
asciilifeform: not sure if the test was ever attempted in a 'serious' wine country
asciilifeform: thing is, i'm not sure if we have 'the genuine article' sort of expert around here
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was famously and publicly done not long ago, but i've misplaced the link
mircea_popescu: there's no way they don't have that shit in dc, with all the dumb money floating about. take the girl out for a wine tasting show once
asciilifeform: i think the 'wine experts' who don't get nailed by the food colouring experiment live in the same place as meta-nsa
asciilifeform: the wine thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends on the wasp, but not very well known really.
trinque: they drained quite a bit of death out of my asscheek and thigh
mircea_popescu: europe is particularly mild on this shit. you get stung by the tiny polen wasps that live ther,e it's like... mk.
nubbins`: (on jungle walk. woman in front of me says "aah! ants!" then proceeds to try brushing them off WHERE SHE STOOD)
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants << for one thing fire ants are more exotic than vipers in carpathians. for the other, i would bet a lot more painful. poor snake's drastically overhyped
nubbins`: once, while on vacation, my mom got bitten on the face a couple times by some sort of spider
mircea_popescu: this is about as sustainable as a tower of liquid piss in the shape of roosevelt's wheelchair.
mircea_popescu: plus drugs. hours out of the lives of a dozen + people, all supposedly skilled.
mircea_popescu: notice that the idiots in question cost an emergency call, an er visit plus an emt visit later
trinque got ass-bit by a brown recluse once, didn't bitch as much as the story
asciilifeform: it is always the available suction.
asciilifeform: the problem, if we continue with this valuable train of thought, - is almost never the bug, per se.
mircea_popescu: their mouths don't work.
jurov: dunno if you can get any chich to suck out the bug
mircea_popescu got bit by viper, chick in group sucked it out the next moment, me was fine.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that reddit is the most retarded shit i ever read.
nubbins`: i'm sure they had at least a turkey baster
mike_c: mircea_popescu: life's too short to read the foundation forum. i flipped the bozo bit on them, no more research required :)
mike_c: so use the ami..
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey, changing the world right ? like that chick changing they into whey or w/e
mod6: ok so what version of stage3 are people using from the mirror? 12.1, 12.0, 11.2... ?
nubbins`: "My husband pushes me over to the sink and shoves my head under the faucet, trying to flush it out, but every millimeter of space in my ear is full of horrific cockroach. For some reason, he pulls my pajama top off. I still ask him why, but he doesn't know. Either he didn't want my shirt to get wet, or titties."
mike_c: ah, the great accident was around that version.
nubbins`: 'cause there was totally a hard fork duod.
mircea_popescu: dawg... you wanna see comedy look through the foudnation voting thing. what justification ?
mike_c: and/or the phoundation.
mircea_popescu: who they ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9c8248cf59d3897128ba0917e70e831a/tumblr_njxlug21jx1r3tor7o1_1280.jpg
nubbins`: and also only measuring the head of each household
nubbins`: <nubbins`> anyway, only counting 0.8.x and above, that's like giving a population count of every country in the world, but excluding everyone under 5 feet tall.
mircea_popescu: ie, most infrastructure nodes i know of work on SOME SORT ofload balancing or othewr, necessarily thus exposing variable ips to the world etc.
mircea_popescu: they change the words. but the song fprever the same. no matter what happens. this is the song.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: maybe not. could be a much dumber reason. "It's all one node just with 600 addresses. This is what happens when you fucking pay people to sybil attack the network."
mircea_popescu: yeah, the competition is called "mp said the nodes are the weakest point of bitcoin, bitcoin ppls are fixing it"
assbot: Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoHWoX )
jurov: mod6 alternatively you can hire someone to configure the system *nudge* *wink*
jurov: "Starting in January 2015, we will ... cease building the 32-bit images"
trinque: mike_c: yeh that's the one I linked
mod6: i wanna just work on bitcoin, not learn the in's and out's of gentoo :P
jurov: mod6 what's the problem with handbook?
trinque: otherwise those bootstrap instructions are in order
trinque: mod6: these guys have their own gentoo AMIs if you trust 'em http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/gentoo-in-the-cloud/
trinque: with some handwaving along the way
trinque: great way to become acquainted with the internals too
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: I kick there ass in cod
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/4be4d9998c39d363099cc70e5b73b674/tumblr_nlrycyiKM21sgp77yo1_1280.jpg << the ows movement that didn't make it into gawker.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who was that dude << no idea, my best hypothesis is that he isn't alive at all but a script
trinque: probably chinese bots just crawling the internet for hostnames to poke
trinque: notably the thing never tries any username obviously associated with public info about me
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (me last year, waiting for cab with dude in timisoara. cab kinda late. me : "check it out, i'ma light a cigarette and by the magical magic of smoking, it'll show up immediately. << Most well known phenomenon associated with tobacco use
asciilifeform: (just as much as the cig is a cab-summoner!)
mircea_popescu: mp lights cigarette, cab turns in immediately, mp is revered as god by the kid in question.)
mircea_popescu: (me last year, waiting for cab with dude in timisoara. cab kinda late. me : "check it out, i'ma light a cigarette and by the magical magic of smoking, it'll show up immediately.
mircea_popescu: i think you may have a genetic explanation of intelligence there.
trinque: asciilifeform: the notable part is that attack stopped for both of us when I mentioned it
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: sshd-fail.txt << a balanced diet of 1) nonstandard port for the demon 2) 'fail2ban' or equivalent 3) just not giving a fuck - works for me
mircea_popescu: that's the big deal here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only option agents have is whether to exist or not exist << their purpose is to un-exist us.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the ancient discussion re "what if nsa held a bunch of btc" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there literally is no enemy... << this is a tough nut to crack, could use explanation
asciilifeform: sshd << i will include 'dropbear' (cut-down sshd used in routers) for the dev build. i don't expect to see it in the battlefield build.
asciilifeform: trinque: blockchain telegraphy << bootstrap flyer. you don't have a blockchain when the thing powers up
assbot: Moderator asks audience, "Who here thinks there will be a hard fork missile crisis?" /petertoddbtc raises his hand.
jurov: just move the sshd to alternative port (best if it isn't in nmap shortlist)
mod6: is there a preferred version of gentoo that I should test on?
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 18:04:58; ben_vulpes: and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers
mircea_popescu: there's no lever to toggle from enemy to friend or w/e.
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 18:04:25; ben_vulpes: there is no friend/foe
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070912 << this bit of nubbsy wisdom is perhaps the pivot for understanding what's to understand in this pogo debate.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> did you solve the clock, does it need time sync at all? << REAL CLOCKS KEEP THEIR OWN TIME!
BingoBoingo: The insanity would really be not filtering
brendafdez: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
trinque: my VPS has something attacking it at the moment, lol
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> if the thing ascii is making will not sshd, anyone who wishes to help test will need to "adulterate" their pogo <<< plz to sshd!
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2015 01:58:25; asciilifeform: ^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ?
jurov: did you solve the clock, does it need time sync at all?
trinque has simply read too much loper os, the blockchain telegraphy one in particular
trinque: the guy who buys this either can service, can buy a new one, or fuck off.. there's no support staff
trinque: the disposable RTS unit thing rings true
trinque: if they're fire and forget anything that needs an open port is an attack vector
mircea_popescu: just forget it, srsly. seed list can live on hdd with blockchain if the notion of hardcoded magic ip numbers makes you retch
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: dude keeps exposing himself to these cardano by xmas type of things. why all the self hate yo!
mircea_popescu: let's do only the things that are useful.
mircea_popescu: it's just more hard work to read the shit. which is work. which we don't fucking hasve the time for.
ascii_field: as in, e.g., the 'der' idiocy
ascii_field: rather than cryptobreak
trinque: beat the thing one more time... publishing say a magnet link from a known address to an address or addresses representing a bittorrent magnet link seems a fine way to be able to trust shuffling bits out to nodes if that were wanted
mircea_popescu: they ARE making political parties and getting various lawmaker seats because of it.
jurov: i see, it actually helped thepirateby immensely
assbot: Countries blocking access to The Pirate Bay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nhf4PC )
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1071312 why, yes, this has been done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_The_Pirate_Bay
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the (actually sound) argument is that they won't be 20 forever, we're eating up a bubble of externalised cost.
nubbins`: obviously if the foundation is still producing new releases, it's going to be maintaining a seed list for that release, rather than just continuing to let the dead nodes build up
mircea_popescu: you know, like industry works since fortever. not like ford mondeo got recalled because hey, they got ford fluence out, so they'll conver them
mircea_popescu: and if you want to change, derp. change the production flux.
mircea_popescu: i propose whoever makes one puts w/e the fuck they want in there and that's that for the damned unit in question
nubbins`: then it's sort of a self-solving problem
nubbins`: mircea_popescu so are you proposing that all pogos ever sent out will contain 0.5.3.1 or w/e current release is when the first one goes out?
mircea_popescu: trinque they can be empty blocks, still a fork.
trinque: nubbins`: you can declare you've spent my coin? and others will be able to verify this?
nubbins`: trinque for all you know i forked the blockchain 2 years ago and am still shuffling my forked coins
mircea_popescu: "this thing breaks iof there's a bug found in gpg. or if we didn't implement signature checking correctly. or or or or"
mircea_popescu: in any case, the "this thing breaks if it runs out of power at any point after the enemy (or more likely plain old rust) has destroyedall seed ips" proposition is better value than
trinque: rather, fork which was abandoned
mircea_popescu: in general. not when you're signalling how to get the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: it breaks if you turn it off && fort meade floats in the air above your house.
mircea_popescu: this is hopw the problem is solved in this space : buy more units.
mircea_popescu: buy two plug them in diff bedrooms.
trinque: "fucking around behind the TV"
trinque: if they're consumer turds no ups
mircea_popescu: how often does your 1.8 watt thing drain the ups ?
mircea_popescu: (im kinda nonplussed that nobody even seems to realise seed list is only interesting on boot and these aren't intended to ever reboot, really.)
mircea_popescu: jus' the tip!
nubbins`: i'm just also saying that /new seeds can be published in the future by the .foundation, if they want to/
nubbins`: i'm suggesting shipping them with a hardcoded seed list *just like you are*
trinque: if you wanted it to connect to other somethings later, either the natural way or some means of signaling
trinque: obviously the thing has to connect to something first
nubbins`: <+trinque> what if the seed list was encoded directly as transactions? <<< how you gonna get those transactions?
mircea_popescu: they could make dildos while brushing gf's teeth.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
nubbins`: "feel free to update the seed list that came w/ your device"
nubbins`: monthly state of bitcoin address, "check out these sweet seed ips"
trinque: what if the seed list was encoded directly as transactions?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if it's not narrower just make it the seed list. bam back to square one.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> right but you're adding a narrower version. << so "check the usual places monthly", w/e
trinque: and yeah, then somebody is a point of failure
trinque: of the seedlist, whatever
ascii_field: the key in mircea_popescu's ring, or wherever
nubbins`: the original seed list is a "here"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's a concentration of the problem.
mircea_popescu: wron side of the scoreboard, but sure, profit.
nubbins`: so deploy them with magic ips and "check here monthly for updated seed list, the walls have eyes, sam is in the trees, etc"
ascii_field: 3) ages pass and we notice nothing. they switch theirs off when ours go off, etc. direct mitm
ascii_field: 2) usg redirects them to exact copies of our own boxes sitting in ft meade
mircea_popescu: because they only exist halfway, like competent usg and able nsa ?
ascii_field: the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable than the damned pogos << they are not valuable because we can never prove they exist
ascii_field: there is no mechanism for distinguishing a correctly operating node from one that will be until day X
mircea_popescu: dja see how the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable than the damned pogos ?
ascii_field: just for mircea_popescu's pleasure they will do straight sinkhole
mircea_popescu: for the cost of this project, i wish to see large scale ip diddling
mircea_popescu: but anyway : forget argentina, and forget the anecdotal peculiarities of my odd choices in things.
mircea_popescu: i think you misunderstand the term.
ascii_field: rather than fabbing single-chip node
ascii_field: thestringpuller: we're repurposing obsolete hardware
ascii_field: or do i misunderstand the term
mircea_popescu: the mexican billionaire w/e his name is has his own ic fab made out of driewd cunt juice./
mircea_popescu: these are different problems omg.
mircea_popescu: fuck the third world with a spiked club. if it wasn't made by retards it wouldn't be third.
ascii_field: and that's while the 20bux machines last.
mircea_popescu: they can run fucking madonna videos on it
mircea_popescu: wtf people. srsly. if anyone WANTS TO run a pogo they can
ascii_field: they -will- be ddosed and sinkholed to usg machines.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah thought in the shower today that giving an easy way to dump other code into the thing later was a terrible idea
thestringpuller says other pseudo arguments
mircea_popescu: but if you imagine there's any room in the spec of this thing for the end user to fiddle with it you're ourgiht nuts.
ascii_field: and keep us off the stage
thestringpuller: until then!
thestringpuller: the blocks will be much smaller