pete_dushenski: already warming up for life post-2016 and the endless tours of conferences and speaking engagements
assbot: A Conversation with President Obama and The Wire Creator David Simon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhHgjA )
ben_vulpes: trinque: are you familiar with the story of ninjashogun aka robert viragh?
ben_vulpes: spamgun bothering anyone else recently?
jurov: as other people did
pete_dushenski: jurov i just noticed that the february qntra disbursement didn't end up in my coinbr acct
Chillum: they should make it more inclusive
nubbins`: this may be the last one before i just try crosstools-ng
mike_c: ognasty, ok, i can live with that. kakobrekla: for the record, i'm laughing :) good one.
mike_c: aw fuck me, i got buterin in the logs? that feels dirty.
mike_c: i will now smack myself in the face for 30 minutes.
mike_c: here i am reading the logs thinking "april's fools is so dumb, who falls for this crap.. ZOMG 700,000 btc?!?".
nubbins`: okay, the boost compile was throwing errors around some of the python stuff, but it's still going
nubbins`: phew, got that in just under the wire
The20YearIRCloud: i'll send you a certificate in the mail at some point
nubbins`: got an ssd on the way
nubbins`: is the latter a 5400?
The20YearIRCloud: We just did a april fools on our FB page about buying a property and removing the houses so we can put down hotels
nubbins`: !up The20YearIRCloud
nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite. <<< they did, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
trinque: cazalla: there ya go; had to kick it from both sides
trinque: cazalla: give it the txt version; that's an html page
BingoBoingo: Also... The NY jews that raised Fisher lost US chess to St Louis http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/chess-championships-take-cue-from-televised-poker-move-to-live/article_b512b3a8-0122-5d26-9853-80d6597e5302.html
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't even keep the local ones straight
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 02:50:05; BingoBoingo: List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081991 << theres lots and lots and lots of wars going on in the rogue state.
hanbot: asciilifeform> hanbot: no, they can't be ignored << ah okay. noted!
cazalla: will deedbot qntra march once it comes back otherwise http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only avenue remaining for elder us folk.
mircea_popescu: hopefully he gets his guts together and flies another plane into another usg office.
mircea_popescu: Because I had to hire TWO law firms, one for the criminal case and another one for the civil forfeiture case, so far, defending myself against the charge of not having a license in order to trade on localbitcoins has cost me almost $200,000. This is a large chunk of our retirement fund and our daughters college fund. This does not count the property (Bitcoins, cash, etc.) I may have to forfeit in civil forfeiture."
mircea_popescu: "The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
BingoBoingo: So HBO scientology doc, not so bad. Jason Beghe's parts are the best.
asciilifeform: cheaper if you can pay the original to do it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The problem with pankakke keys is faking pankakke would be expensive
ebriusinanis: pankakke would like these logs
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc) << I'm not sure moiety isn't undead and normant.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: PM behavior pattern. Not strongest authentication, kinda suspicious, but psych profile almost checks
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway? << Vexual, especially coherent tonight
asciilifeform: who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway?
asciilifeform: these are fucking utils
asciilifeform: but these aren't processes crammed into one box
trinque: I think some might look at it and compare it to the systemd situation
asciilifeform: 'busybox' is closer to the smaller incarnations
trinque: so as long as the commands it's providing aren't insanely tangled, no big deal
trinque: the distinction between separate programs and well-separated functions isn't a huge one
asciilifeform: did you ever even use all the possible flags for 'less' anyway.
asciilifeform: essentially cut-down versions of all the customary userland utils but rolled into one binary, which then gets called from tiny scripts each of which pretends to be, e.g., 'top' or 'ls'
asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> ... Busybox is boring. << it wasn't built to be interesting, but to take up the least space possible while still doing, approximately, the job.
asciilifeform: <hanbot> ... it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining << half the addiction potential of gentoo right there
asciilifeform: hanbot: no, they can't be ignored
trinque: BingoBoingo: this I think is the saddest thing about fuck-ups like systemd, "cram everything into one program" is not novel. I wouldn't mind trying unix-like systems which *actually* tried something (novelly) different
BingoBoingo: trinque: Best contrast I can find to OpenBSD. Gentoo is pure (theoretical)Linus-linux. Slowaris and OpenBSD are both... different
trinque: BingoBoingo: not at all; fun in the same ways?
nubbins` sighs, attempts 3rd cross-toolchain build of the day
nubbins`: then try again?
hanbot: not even sure i asked that correctly. suffice it to say, want to install a package, have been looking at successive blocked package and slot conflict warnings at each resolution attempt (for said pckg's dependencies), am (naively?) hoping at least some of these can be ignored
lobbes: kakobrekla: aha, thanks for the lulz. I was thoroughly confused for a second ;/
hanbot: asciilifeform / gentoo-friendly folks: on emerge, do slot conflicts where the listed package is followed by 0 actually require manual resolution?
BingoBoingo: ebriusinanis: That didn't start until my first grad school stint and it wasn't mainstream until the last sememster of the second stint
BingoBoingo: List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list
BingoBoingo: Pretty much, though some public schools make it like Southern Illinois University's Carbondale campus. But that example is mostly because Illinois is American Somolia
BingoBoingo: Differnce is financial disinterested Board of Directors, vs. trying to save their investment Board of Directors
asciilifeform: they do appear to be sorted by state, for instance
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have yet to discern an order. Part of the reason why link dropped here and not on Qntra as "Oh look at how USia Squeezes Struggling Schools"
asciilifeform: (even if no order. if the complete list can be found anywhere)
asciilifeform: because, if so, it may be possible to determine the snipped entries
BingoBoingo: But seriously if given 3 decades the Iranians lack the foundries and forensics to duplicate the parts... Maybe Allah doesn't want them to be a nation-state
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are these listed in any discernible order ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: US colleges whose every finaid dollar is "watch listed" except for the ~60 schools on the most severe watch list
asciilifeform: and notice how all the 'severe findings' (?) entries were censored.
decimation: there's a difference between 'a machine shop' and the metallurgy required to make a high-performance jet engine
asciilifeform: see also the gigantic pile of soviet jets in timisoara
BingoBoingo: Well, the Iranians also fly F-14's
decimation: the iranians probably manage it too
asciilifeform: the near east, for instance, could certainly benefit from a few boats of 5.56
decimation: wouldn't surprise me if the north vietnamese were supplied with american 5.56
decimation: most of their 'allies' were communist moles
decimation: usg was hustled by the vietnamese
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if pre-dates the ru switchover, probably built for expert to hanoi
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There is a variation of the Chinese type whateverthefuck chambered in American 5.56, Russian 5.xx didn't exist yet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was actually chambered in the american 5.56 ?!
decimation: point is, there's a third party involved. but crypto doesn't require a third party to machine the keys
asciilifeform: these get mutilated.
asciilifeform: the thing is there for the convenience of locksmith so he doesn't have to mutilate your car or whatnot with picks
BingoBoingo: <trinque> in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing << Knowing that a thing fails deadly is a value all its own.
decimation: but in that case the end user isn't capable of crafting his key
decimation: asciilifeform: makers of fine locks often retain the 'master key list'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16242
trinque: in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing
trinque: rather, should something attempt violation
trinque: I hear ya; still I always like systems where I can declare constraints and have the thing blow up should the constraint be violated
asciilifeform: trinque: in my (since '04) life with gentoo, many times the only 'fix' was to go barbarously outside of portage
trinque: ^ there are plenty of times when portage just tells you to fuck off and fix it yourself
asciilifeform: portage is 'easy' until the first multihorned merge conflict
BingoBoingo: <trinque> that imo is the killer feature << Portage seems too much a user friendly feature for OpenBSD. They have features, but avoid the kind that attract users with "easy"
asciilifeform: that is, absence of particular varieties of otherwise-ubiquitous crapolade
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/
asciilifeform: trinque: if you put aside 'portage', gentoo is largely good for the 'unfeatures'
trinque: that imo is the killer feature
trinque: ports seems almost the way there, but I don't see a way for example to globally mask a package or option as you can with portage
trinque: gentoo is a labyrinth within which one transcends the derpitude
asciilifeform: a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not
mod6: (is it the only hold out left?)
trinque: the nature of gentoo makes removing it a lot easier
asciilifeform: mod6: there's be substance to that if i hadn't just built a 3.18 kernel and full userland into <5MB with no systemd crapolade
mod6: what about all the "linux is dead" memes?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. << I'll go on the record as saying OpenBSD should not be considered "gold standard" unix in the way gentoo is. OpenBSD goes way out of its way to prevent user from hanging self.
mod6: the build im trying to work through on openbsd uses like (I can't remember off the top of my head) 4.2.x or something
hanbot: it is unlike any other income you have made before.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Seriously. I haven't seen the old lady sockpuppet though in a while
BingoBoingo: platform specific patch sets may end up being a necessary evil, even if there isn't a full split
mod6: iirc ascii mentioned it, said he'd maintain the pogo project. it's not a horrible idea.
nubbins`: the two auto.sh are close enough
mod6: these projects are diverging.
nubbins`: i suspect the latter
mod6: so i got everything to compile on obsd, but getting segfaults when trying to run the static binary. core dump looks like its something with threading...
mod6: yes, was tested on a hand full of environments ( as stated in the ADDRESS ): deb6 (64/32), gentoo (64/32), ubuntu 12/14 (64) and apparently macosx too. not sure what you're running into.
BingoBoingo: I thought last year was good, buy kako puts the cess in success
pete_dushenski: alright you jokesters, i'm re-heading back out into the world. until tomorrow!
pete_dushenski: sounds suspiciously like "taxes are good for you and the economy"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that's what they WANT YOU TO THINK
pete_dushenski: lmao here i was thinking to myself "someone haxxed the logs! and is going to ruin our searches!"
pete_dushenski: because HOLYWTFBBQ happened to the logs!
BingoBoingo: I mean there were discussion on making Kurdistan a thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. A number of people love Dubai while hating the current fallout of the British/French partition of the region after the empire
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo arabism is still fashionable. just another exoticism.
BingoBoingo: America's history with Islam is weird. The Founding fathers found Muhamadean culture and scholarship fashionable while the the grandkids can't think of anything worse.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: He's actually looking at new employers that pay less, aren't located in East Saint, and where he coworkers won't force him into the contest of his license versus theirs.
pete_dushenski: jews, having grown up with the devils, should know better
pete_dushenski: wait, who said that it's a jew dating the jap ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah. So the sort of Jews who don't come here.
mircea_popescu: 100mn. because you don't want the schmuck getting ideas.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo people who don't dare tell the bitchy jewish princess girlfriend to moan like kournikova watch tennis.
BingoBoingo: All together probably half a million dollars and 16 years of higher education time has been flushed by people who don't realize my brother is a boring square.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies << Dentists are also junkies. In his first year dentisting at the medicaid clinic my brother has twice has had other dentists forge prescriptions for themselves off of his numbers.
pete_dushenski: i dunno what it is about dentists and gambling, but they seem to be bosom pals
pete_dushenski: in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies
ben_vulpes: must be the murderous type, though.
ben_vulpes: just convince the band that it's god's gift to free humanity.
BingoBoingo: Now hockey maybe. All kinds of people can afford to sponsor hockey, also the ball is small and flat.
pete_dushenski: they're all well heeled too
pete_dushenski: tennis/golf on the weekends
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin. << Gold and Tennis are too expensive. Also no one watches tennis, bet only sport.
Pierre_Rochard: alas, whatever the chairman/ceo is interested in is what gets sponsored. Those fancy seats ain’t free!
mircea_popescu: tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: prolly not worth the 100mn, but hey.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, if you're ready to drop 100mn on this, pick some random christian rock band from mobile, make a movie about the lead vocal, send them on tour,
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo on my qntra article there, it looks a bit odd on the front page without a "continue reading" link...
ben_vulpes: "it's gold! that the government can't take! or stop you sending!"
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: they were let go
ben_vulpes: a bitcoin messiah'd do pretty well in the south.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard definitely. but i dunno who's in charge of spends there. they have nfi what the job even is.
BingoBoingo: The great appeal of American Football is exactly a gladiator show. A gladiator show where fighting is disallowed, the competitors wear personal protective gear, and they are charged some how in spite of that still crippling their opposition. It is grand and it appeals across classes.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, bitpay is probably the better in that space, on a purely ops/technical perspectrive.
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: I know BitPay is in the South, but... that seems a bit lowbrow...
SquirtPrincess: deal w/ dicks either way lol
BingoBoingo: Prolly better that the Bitcoin Bowl ends after one game. At least it ended on a very watchable game.
mircea_popescu: prolly the spring of next year.
mircea_popescu: clearly reddit is a legitimate source of news and commentary where actual people post things that legitimately interest them.
mircea_popescu: aren't now filling it with news and commentary about bitpay's neobee-esque failure mere months down the road.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski speaking of which, funny how the spam accounts overflowing reddit (specifically reddit, not any other random social spam platform) with news and commentary about the epocal all-important move of bitpay to waste some money
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Article up, patch applied to other article
mircea_popescu: did we end up with the first version control issue ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform re: uint32_t : 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't include portatronic patch from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
mircea_popescu: this doesn't makle them fit for a wife. just, work for some purposes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's the principal advantage set of the qr pass : 1) widely available for cheap 2) limited size.
asciilifeform: qr << and yes, i know what they are used for. but with the transparency they give, may as well be magnetic cards.
pete_dushenski: "Consider this bit of circumstantial evidence which the government which it alleges connects Force to one of his extortion sockpuppets" << this sentence is borked, BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: e.g., human readable, but even if you can't be bothered to read - there is some rough correspondence between the length and the payload size
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. << complicated. 'dacha' literally means '[that which is] given.' as in, granted as reward by the king. in soviet times, it was of course not 'given' (except to officials, but even then was not their personal property but more like obama's car.) but for normal folks, the standard was an unheated cabin and the regulation 100 sq. metres of garden.
jurov: i thought the requirement was you're able to visually(or otherwise) check what you're transmitting throught the gap?
asciilifeform: often there is even compression.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will recall the discussion was a narrow use case : you print them, you use them etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can do the square one also without a cpu, << not qr as we know it!! read the standard, srsly
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i only recently encountered the "qr code in qr code" exploit family
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. << not arguing that anyone should do this, but that qr as we know it defeats the purpose of optical barrier
SquirtPrincess: some weeks bring 700-800$ and others $100-200 but i only do it part-time
mircea_popescu: so do you make a living at the cam thing ?
SquirtPrincess: i was searching for tits for bits and it was like the 4th or 5th link down
mircea_popescu: i suppose the only thing to do
ben_vulpes: DEA being very accustomed to "doing things their way", and the IRS wanting a rather tight grip on the bitcoin thing.
ben_vulpes: and i suspect this IRS action to be in line with (asciilifeform? decimation? mircea_popescu?)'s forcast that bitcoin will split the g-men who can from the g-men who can't
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [22:00] now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me << keep in mind he came from the DEA, the most notoriously corrupt arm of the militarized 'anti-drug' brigade.
pete_dushenski: well mebbe you should ask them before assuming things.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the russians want our moneyz!
pete_dushenski: this is for the 11th conference, ya ?
Pierre_Rochard: well we’ll settle for that then
mircea_popescu: dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. du nthink the lot of us would fit.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, "advertising" will probably survive in the charity part.
Pierre_Rochard: how much did putin pay you for the russian debt informercial you ran earlier? ;)
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: indeed, larry ellison was not sponsoring America’s Cup boats in the late 70’s
mircea_popescu: "let's advertise for the industrial revolution111!!!"
pete_dushenski: hm, what other sports can b-a sponsor ? i vote for jai alai
Pierre_Rochard: because you see, one guy buys the sponsorship, ESPN buys some apps, VC makes money, circulate circulate
mircea_popescu: but anyway, my two bits would be : do not sponsor the stupid shit of the old world. so what if the plebs like to watch basketball ? we don't like plebs.
Pierre_Rochard: nah, VCs give you money so that you stimulate the economy
pete_dushenski: i hear there's this roi thing that businesses are supposed to worry about
mircea_popescu: then a week later the thing blew, because the cleanning lady disconnected the power and the data sockets, and reconnected them backwards.
pete_dushenski: bitcoin+cans of fish = the future of money!
pete_dushenski: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison << shrem derping from behind bars.
pete_dushenski: wide grate, yes, and seeing the balloon get pricked is pretty satisfying
pete_dushenski: i didn't see it in the logs, figured it was freshish
pete_dushenski: haha! that's the article in fact
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski speaking of which, didn't the bowl thing they sponsored ditch the bitcoin logo recently ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pity it's the same 2-3 derps that keep pushing it. i recall some goon or other was having fun with them on tardstalk last year. "really, it's not mps fault X scammer touched you"
mircea_popescu: jurov why not ? and no, i said have a bank of them
mircea_popescu: i was like... o look how nice, he did that on the toilet.
mircea_popescu: i guess lots of touch-typist-securitists out there.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` have you ever lelled at the circumstance that if one ever sees pgp used like we use it, it's invariably with a ridoinculous line-and-a-half signature ?