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ascii_field: nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ?
nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0
ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'
ascii_field: re: earlier thread: i will point out that folks who got on the plane and left usa borders but still earn a living from something on which usg might exert pressure, directly or indirectly, are still inmates of usaschwitz.
mircea_popescu: "To those that suggest that the Sun has something to do with the weather, I say that is just a superstition. The Sun is far too far away to have any effect on the neighborhood. And besides, the Sun comes up in the winter, but it does not stay warm. But, as soon as people stop using lawnmowers, it gets cold. So, it seems obvious and irrefutable that carbon dioxide causes global warming, and lawnmowers are the main sourc
mircea_popescu: " Lawnmowers have a nearly immediate effect on the local climate, too. In my area, lawnmowers are rarely used at night, and even 8-hours of lawnmower inactivity can cool the neighborhood by 20-degrees Fahrenheit. The tight correlation between lawnmower use and temperature is so closely related, that the scientific debate on the subject should be closed."
mircea_popescu: just as good as any "earth science" out there.
mircea_popescu: most always hot weather. And, as lawnmower use starts to taper in the fall, it starts getting cooler again."
mircea_popescu: in other news, "It seems obvious to me that global warming is caused by carbon dioxide, and the main source of carbon dioxide is lawnmowers. I have noticed over the years that it gets really cold during the winter, and during that time I rarely hear lawn mowers. But, as soon as I start hearing the occasional lawnmower in the neighborhood, it starts getting warmer. By midsummer when I hear lawnmowers every day, it is al
mircea_popescu: if you derp much longer in there, yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, alligns incentrives correctly. "have you or anyone you know or care about been stolen from by the usg ? come join the people working to take away its shit"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred' << their favourite thing is not only to steal lands, houses (who even has these any more) but to freeze bank account and then have fun staying out of the street and the morgue, much less paying attorney
trinque: the "regime change" machine
trinque: and that in developing this capacity it was inevitable that they'd bring it home
trinque: yesterday I spent a fair amount of time thinking about how the US was already the totalitarian govt of much of the world long before I was born
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug << ru thug did not come to texas, arm the republic of texas separatists so they can shell dallas, and raise international stink of 'consensus' when the locals defend it
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 19:25:48; ben_vulpes: what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field oh meanwhile i recall who callas is. the reason i don't like openpgp!
trinque: notably though, all pretense of some exempt caste aside from the ruling class is now gone
ascii_field: what 'protocol' did he follow for the jp internment thing ?
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug.
ascii_field: arguably fdr was the first
trinque: did the president just decree himself able to steal property over any vaguely defined "threat" whatsoever
mircea_popescu: or to quote, "Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before.""
ascii_field: *synaesthesia
ascii_field: seriously synathesia here
ascii_field: but i could almost -smell- the mendacity
trinque: I'm thinking deedbot wants something other than http and dns if it is to survive
ascii_field: in the martian colony, circa 4000 ad, yes.
mircea_popescu: trinque bitcoin is factually a threat to the usg "national security". it exists to end them.
ascii_field: trinque is posting from the sea ?
trinque: when they declare working on a piece of open source a threat to national security, time to find a shore and start swimming
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you might want to have some other fella, who isn't to hang soon, maintain serenissima-linux.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let's up the stakes a little here.
mircea_popescu: but when a cow thinks itself a farmer and thinks the farmer a cow...
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, i take the same view.
ascii_field: like every criminal, the officials of usg do precisely as much as they can comfortably get away with.
mircea_popescu: no, rights are exactly not that, which is why the concept even exists.
ascii_field: he has the ability.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if there was, you'd know it by this sign, that he'd glass new york anyway.
ascii_field: but there is not at present such a king.
ascii_field: if there is and you can demonstrate readiness to use it - as in, 'we catch ONE more blackwater in donbass and new york is glass' - then possibly no
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and especially if there is.
ascii_field: as i've said perhaps a dozen times, if there isn't an icbm battery between you and the lunatic nato reich - you're fair game to them.
ascii_field: mats: schmuck on the street, if any of them read it, will mutter 'good, they'll hang spammers finally' or the like.
mats: "three govt officials can pwn your shit at will on the basis of evidence at least as good as obama's attribution of the sony attack to north korea"
ascii_field: re: mein Führer's decree: when i tell folks i have an expiration date in the none too distant future - they laugh.
mircea_popescu: not for being likely, but for it being exactly the way in which that unlikely'd be seen.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting.
mircea_popescu: for all we know, this is how the universally diddled compiler is discovered.
mircea_popescu: a) i don't think think this would have been caught by pretty much any other outfit on the planet and b) i don't see the proposition we've found a deep seated hole is readily dismissable.
mircea_popescu: well what is the ????
mircea_popescu: one's just gotta pick on which side they wish to live ilegally.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, donating to the irs is actually illegal.
ascii_field: 'I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of
mircea_popescu: welll hopefully you all got your propertah out of the us at any point during the many discussions as to teh effect.
ascii_field: significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States...'
ascii_field: 'any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber-enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a
assbot: U.S. Navy alarmed at Beijing’s ‘Great Wall of sand’ in South China Sea - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Canq5c )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ima read the qntra. usually better than original.
assbot: Executive Order -- "Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities" | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamuO6 )
BingoBoingo: https://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m << Geting qntra'd up but though I'd drop the original here nao
mircea_popescu: and this is a major political decision we are, as far as history knows, the ONLY group willing to make.
mircea_popescu: but the only way to have that
ascii_field: what i actually meant was 'one which is not actively insulting to the intelligence of practitioners'
mircea_popescu: all standards are, by the nature of what a standard is, irrational.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there is no such thing as a rational standard.
ascii_field: the real solution is iron standard and impalements for violators
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 16:36:53; pete_dushenski: plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082307 << only if you're not stupid. otherwise, works great.
ascii_field: now, i'm not saying we should all eat our nagants, nothing can be done. one can achieve some measure of stability. but as things fall apart, as they increasingly are, the fuzz at the edges will look like... this.
mircea_popescu: well, the good news is that serenissima really has no unemployment.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:50:22; asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious.
ascii_field: and the plague is ancient. it is how usg ended up with its attempts to standardize cpu
ascii_field: don't take my word for it. ask another schmuck who works with low-level iron.
ascii_field: in some errata sheet there may or many not be an explanation.
ascii_field: but the devil lives in the details. i have on my desk, for example, two nominally-identical microcontrollers which behave - differently.
mircea_popescu: so then.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if exactly same, then will. this is kinda my notion with 'pogo'.
mircea_popescu: a bitwise copy of your current system on an assemblage of the same hardware wouldn't boot ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: don't tell me we lost the "interchangeable parts" to THAT degree.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field shouldn't be any extra work really. just, bundle the software with a description of the hardware.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thing is, look how the 'freeze it all in amber' thing works on bitcoind.
ascii_field: try to understand how the original gentoo went to seed
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is only the 3rd or 4th fella to suggest that i take up maintaining a linux planet
mircea_popescu: or from a whole array of equivalent muppets all "doing their part".
mircea_popescu: he's not distinguishable from poettering trying to fuck up the linux userland
mircea_popescu: ascii_field exactly. which is why i said, "when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem but for all the problems derived from the same source."
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 04:00:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i am actually suggesting people move their day to day computing AWAY from "linux" or from "gentoo" which are MEANINGLESSSSSSSSS
ascii_field: the difference is not at all minute
ascii_field: emulated machine will run same on 'cray' build in '88 and on 'multivac' in the year 3000.
mircea_popescu: the difference is minute.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 16:12:29; jurov: pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody?
ascii_field: incidentally, perhaps you folks remember that i wanted to do this, in the beginning
ascii_field: and shuttling crud to/from the emu
ascii_field: but everyone will have to make peace with 30x lengthened build times.
mircea_popescu: and so what we're essentially doing when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem
mircea_popescu: the idea is, it seems clear to me that mere package-level specification is dysfunctional./
ascii_field: i suppose mircea_popescu wants one that runs on qemu or bochs or the like
mircea_popescu: the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for that matter, you know, why the systemwide one ? the correct one! downloaded from nist.will.pwn.your.box.edu
mircea_popescu: the cancer is so advanced x.x
ascii_field: thestringpuller: i only ever use it as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl
ascii_field: and not the systemwide one
ascii_field: has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ?
mircea_popescu: is there some obscuritas in tenebrae switch or something needed on gcc when REALLY statically linking ?
ascii_field: (which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does)
ascii_field: ditto the integer errors
mircea_popescu: and the failed static linking happens on both ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my tests consisted of two gentoo boxes, one 'old and grey', the other built in october.
mircea_popescu: this is the exact opposite of what statically linekd means.
mircea_popescu: that's one thing. the other thing is, what the fuck do you mean "x in statically linked application requires material from gcc used at the time"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: after discovering and eliminating several of the reasons for this, i discover a new one.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: to make long story short, therealbitcoin's release does not build on any of my boxes.
nubbins`: and i want him to prove he's the first owner
nubbins`: enough for me to verify that there exists a piece of paper with a bunch of pgp shit on it that i can't do anything with
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: after fixing a number of typedef bugs which, going BY THE FUCKING BOOK OF CPP ought to prevent the thing from building ANYWHERE
mircea_popescu: re " warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" ascii_field wtf is that shit !?
nubbins`: wow, a guy just sent me a photograph of a pgp-signed custody document, with a piece of paper over his personal info, saying "this should be enough, preferably you don't need to know the other 19 coin addresses"
ascii_field: ben_vulpes et al: so i fix the idiot integer bugs (despite which this apparently built on various folks' machines) - and now http://dpaste.com/3NA25E9.txt
mircea_popescu: (also, it's not just the shape. plastics are pretty much ideal substrate for microorganisms)
nubbins`: one result of the plastification of the world is that everything's shaped to harbour mold now
mircea_popescu: i think if isis took over say pennsylvania, and forced all sorts of bizarro stuff upon the citizenry, there'd finally be a huge sigh of satisfied submission.
mircea_popescu: of like, the mongols.
mircea_popescu: there's just no way any government can be organised to deliver the sort of humiliating, depersonalising, invasive experience the us folk have come to expect.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i seriously do not know why anyone thinks one of these machines is easier or tastier than a simple pour-over
nubbins`: the right to only pour hot water through authorized plastic widgets
BingoBoingo: They are too lazy, this is what Bush and Obama did
nubbins`: now the new coffee machines have DRM
mircea_popescu: dude who cares, just fill the filter.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ? << In usia measuring the coffee grounds to use one of those became "Too Hard"(TM) hence now people buy grounds in pre measured plastic cartridges
nubbins`: yeah, i obv don't carry the numbers in long-term storage, but they're incredibly pervasive and just as wasteful
mircea_popescu: i guess i don't date widely enough in the aging hipster crowd.
lobbes: I never understood those, either. Even if you want one cup of coffee.. just use one cup of water
nubbins`: the pod ones
nubbins`: if you cared anything about, say, not making these: you wouldn't use a keurig in the first place
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 12:32:18; nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows
mircea_popescu: hey, at least after calling out their usms scam, they're now forced to put dea agents "in prison" to try and certify ownership over imaginary stakes of btc.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082145 << "usg employee agrees to testify in court that the usg owns an amount of bitcoin that the usg wishes to be known it owns."
nubbins`: ascii_field there's also a very wide comfortable dose range
nubbins`: <+lobbes> <danielpbarron> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this. <<< oh, agreed, i find the ratio of thc to other cbds makes way more of a difference
ascii_field: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/02/09#l1328812405 << the schmucks having same problem
lobbes: ascii_field: I feel like I'm thanking you every week for some reading material, but thanks for the orlov introduction. It is becoming my latest addiction
ascii_field: the uint32_t thing is infuriatingly retarded
Chillum: I think about 6 in the city
Chillum: nubbins`: 2 blocks, another in 4 blocks
nubbins`: stores that sell dope to people who say they're sick
ben_vulpes: what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis?
nubbins`: ascii_field "med shops" and "compassion clubs" will offer dozens of strains, each with different percentages of the various cannabinoids
nubbins`: the unit works best when packed fully but not tightly, which is generally around this weight
ascii_field: i.e. is there a volumetric gauge ?
nubbins`: the serious types upgrade to a large t-shirt heat press
ascii_field: what's next, smoking out of the desoldering iron sold at ratshack ?
nubbins`: it's their pogo
ascii_field: at least in the recipe i was taught
nubbins`: i'm asking Chillum about a specific regional variation thereof
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: isn't that the stuff with which you enfrictionalize your bow?
nubbins`: Chillum you hear of this "rosin" stuff all the west coast hippies are on about?
ben_vulpes: mind you my whole env is structured around reproducing what would have been in the wild ca. the 0.5.3 release
ben_vulpes: i built the damn thing before we shipped that tarball.
nubbins` envisions a .foundation standardized build environment in the near future
ascii_field: uint32_t is not defined by anything in or linked from the bitcoind sources.
ascii_field: fact is, that thing - as written - should build on NO ONE's machine - given as util.h is using a type that is not defined therein, nor anywhere else! (stdint.h is not included in -any- of the files)
ascii_field: i was trying to build the release.
nubbins`: are you using your auto.sh or the 0.5.3.1-RELEASE one?
nubbins`: er yeah, there's that too :S
ascii_field: error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options.
nubbins`: seems to be as many different solutions as there are people asking the problem, which is never a good sign
ascii_field: 4.9.2 on other
ascii_field: because of changes in the build system
ascii_field: as far as i can tell, the behaviour of gcc is somehow minutely different
nubbins`: might be worth reverifying the couple that you didn't write, maybe even the manifest trim thing
nubbins`: out of all the patches included in 0.5.3.1, only one of them actually adds code. all the rest just snip.
ascii_field: the new static build won't crank even with my patch.
nubbins`: yeah, the -l z line was removed
ascii_field: at any rate, my patch no longer fixes the build on my boxes.
trinque: jurov: nope, just until the next time I have a spare evening
ascii_field: without it - the barf quoted last night.
ascii_field: this is -after- i apply my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch << the second half, you folks did merge the first
trinque: also up the thing; I will let people know when things have changed
ben_vulpes: thanks again for the accounting, jurov
pete_dushenski: the film definitely had some moments that are hard to imagine happening today
pete_dushenski: man they can hustle!
bitstein: The Ministry of Analytics keeps a score on everyone's social media success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNnRBksvOU
bitstein: pete_dushenski: indeed. suddenly thoughts turn more back to work and play rather than how to amass fake internet points
pete_dushenski: plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live
pete_dushenski: speaking of pe, the ontario teacher's pension fund continues to kill it
mike_c: they got bought out by PE that wants its money.
pete_dushenski: "GoDaddy shares opened at $26.15, 31% above its initial public offering price." << wait, why the fuck are they going public in the first place ?
hanbot: "I am barred by the SEC settlement from doing anything securities related for two years anyway." oh help me rhonda
pete_dushenski: i genuinely thought that everyone in here was scrambling their words in some kind of pattern, eg 5-3-4-1-2 but i couldn't crack the code
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: same... the tallest structure is now maybe half what it was 20 years ago
pete_dushenski: trinque: first deedbot deed for pd in the record books!
ben_vulpes: oh funny - assbot gets the right handle
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2014 02:27:44; mike_c: omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic.
trinque: pete_dushenski: yer thing's up on deedbot.org as of the last block
ben_vulpes: also didn't the log thing happen last year as well?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the 25' steel twirly slide i once clambered upon the outside of as a child has been replaced by a 5' doofy plastic thing
jurov: cuz the srares alread y are on coinbr, just not yet claimed
assbot: The Internet is a playground. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhIZW8 )
pete_dushenski: unless you mean sometime other than 'transfer to pete_d's coinbr account' when you say 'custody'
jurov: pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody?
pete_dushenski: yours for the low low price of $100k
hanbot: jurov:hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction << the what now?