Chillum: the thing is
Chillum: if she is a pet then so am I
mircea_popescu: methinks your theory may have some holes in it.
Chillum: though it is well established that nobody can prove their own self awareness
mircea_popescu: so they claim.
mircea_popescu: that's par for the course.
mircea_popescu: everyone is barely aware of their own existence.
BingoBoingo: <Chillum> asciilifeform: she contributes to the household, our cats do not << Do they neglect their anti-vermin duties?
Chillum: never known a cat to help pay the rent
Chillum: asciilifeform: she contributes to the household, our cats do not
mircea_popescu: Chillum likely you just use the term in a particular way i don't.
whaack: BingoBoingo: I actually just never got the email that I needed to verify with. Reregistered and I still don't have the email.
mircea_popescu: you think the cats are your pets ?!
Chillum: so getting along with someone makes them a pet? I think you skipped some logical steps there
mircea_popescu: are you saying the emperor's naked ?
Chillum: "all the proper females ARE pets in good homes"... ever had a wife?
asciilifeform: i wish them a speedy arrival at this step.
mircea_popescu: enter the world of abundance!
mircea_popescu: they transcended that.
mircea_popescu: cost is a figment of the scarcity world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, all the proper females ARE pets in good homes. the remainder are like unemployed "employees" that are not so much unemployed as wilfully *unemployable*.
mircea_popescu: well good for them!
asciilifeform: haskell, ml, the shebang
asciilifeform: it is called 'lazy evaluation' and is sop in the academiplague languages
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is ahead of the game as usual:
mircea_popescu: you know, alligned with the entire irigaray " e = mc^2 is a sexed equation"
mircea_popescu: rather than proceed from an imperative cause towards a computation
mircea_popescu: a processor that looks at what the EFFECTS of a computation would be
mircea_popescu: how long before the current processor (that acts from cause) is replaced with a new architecture, more femfriendly ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me : clearly the femspeak for male being "sociopath", ie, one who does not care about the consequences (this is the basis of the rape debate - men will fuck women for a cause, women wish to fuck towards a purpose), and the problem with "women in tech" being the aridity of the field to the femstyle,
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if all the currently existing ones are pets in good homes. e.g, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663930
mircea_popescu: ie, the ones that actually give a shit.
asciilifeform is presently wondering whether, if mircea_popescu's prescription 'be young and female' were an actual algorithm that folks could -execute- - how many would
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: whaack why would nickserv drop an account ? i never heard of this. << They drop registrations after just a few weeks of disuse, because Freenode
asciilifeform: the fact of the matter appears to be (ben_vulpes and his experiment, etc) that the folks who pay for ads are largely the old cargo cultists and have very little to do with bitcoin, for perfectly logical reasons of it being a bugspray against their species
asciilifeform: the only reasonable design.
asciilifeform: but in ip-over-gossip net, yes, pwned machine is solely the owner's grief, like his stolen bicycle.
asciilifeform: i live in the lands of beautiful freedom, where folks throw trash from moving cars etc
asciilifeform: and we so much need more of these.
asciilifeform: at the very least, it becomes a ddos drone
trinque: my end of that thread was that they're all shit
asciilifeform: there are several vendors
mircea_popescu: is that a reference to the rape article ?
Chillum: too bad advertising is one of the greatest evils going
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform methinks you might be seeing too much in there.
Chillum: you said people would have an account, goes to the highest bidder
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write << because i can see the hallmarks of educated mendacity. the man, whoever he is, knows that i know the history. and pretends otherwise, and that he has some sort of 'lesson' for old ignorant me. i know the type, they infest (or once did) my comments section.
Chillum: I know. You accept bids from everyone at any time. You get the amount of ad-time relative to the size of what you paid to the whole
Chillum: one of the great things about bitcoin services is that accounts are not strictly needed. For example you could send a request to a service without any authentication, it could respond with a price and address
asciilifeform: or the old 'choose your parents carefully' (TM)
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... actually being a woman, especially if young, and very very easy is what offers the best chance of survival. << 'how to avoid drowning at sea?' 'be water'
Chillum: it could sell specific time slots and the bidding could happen right up until it is chosen, then the losing bids sent back
Chillum: mircea_popescu: that is an interesting idea. How does bidding work? People just send their bid, then what happens when someone outbids them
mircea_popescu: Chillum so make them secure.
Chillum: because the chip can do runtime interpreting of code
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you did. i parse rather than compile, admittedly.
Chillum: mircea_popescu: there is a youtube video of a guy making a wifi controllable lamp
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> what exactly would prevent me from beating the shit out of the 'villagers' << i did try to point this out, l0l
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:16:59; Chillum: but if you ever wanted to add a webserver to your lamp, this is the device
Chillum: I wish others did
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: actually farting sarin gas and spitting bullets at your enemies would be your best bet. << Greatest challenge is storing it in the colon without absorbing it.
mircea_popescu: this is actually some prime rib right there.
mircea_popescu: uments" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Since you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride befo
mircea_popescu: nly make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arg
mircea_popescu: "The core problem is that C programmers think they can get away with doing much less than the Common Lisp programmer causes the computer to do. But this is actually wrong. Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will o
mircea_popescu: i use vi half the time.
Chillum: that is why they are so ugly
mircea_popescu: and none of those "public blog service" shits either,
mircea_popescu: plz blog this. pics, schematics, how tos, the works.
Chillum: I once made a "boss detector" with a raspberry pi. The bosses cell phone sent out wifi pings constantly, this told me if he was in wifi range by turning on a red light
Chillum: my raspberry pi gets 9 hours from a small battery, the ESP8266 with a low power gps receiver will run off a small battery for days
mats: you know there are war driving communities that have likely already mapped your entire region, right
Chillum: there is nothing illegal about listening to radio transmission on public bands
whaack: Is there a way to prevent NickServ from dropping my account? It says I'm not registered now
mircea_popescu: i gather. used extensively in gaming for this reason.
Chillum: the lua interpreter is of course just C
Chillum: the old version was C only and that was great, now they have a lua interpreter which makes handling network connections so much easier
Chillum: they get over a kilometer without an ext ant, more with
Chillum: ya, just reading what the website says
mircea_popescu: Chillum something's amiss, actually. the +25dBm needs to output >320 mW. your thing can't eat 300mW peak and also output 320. but anyway, usual commercial puffery.
Chillum: and that is to buy one, I am sure there are bulk discounts
mircea_popescu: pretty decent iirc 15ish is the norm. mebbe 20.
Chillum: there are several models, a few have external antenna ports
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:05:18; ascii_field: funkenstein_: if you know the organism in question, link him to my answer.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095442 << dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write, "warm smile and handshake" smarm, why would you despise people you also don't know on the basis of six lines ? what are you, mazarin ?
mircea_popescu: what's it power the wifi from ?
Chillum: they are mass produced
mircea_popescu: are they available in qty ?
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:04:58; Chillum: I just got an ESP8266, a $4 chip that has a microcontroller that can run either C or Lua with 512kb memory 8GPIOs and a wifi card with a high level interface. All the size of a SD card and running off 300ma(peak) at 3.3v
Chillum: particularly when they were in town
mircea_popescu: apparently the english canonical form is jalabiya
Chillum: but I will say even in the poor areas people were pretty well dressed
mircea_popescu: everyone wears the same thing and calls it sopmething else.
Chillum: notice the trees
Adlai: the child was clearly adopted from inner-city parents who couldn't afford to raise it
trinque: Chillum: kid in the pink jumpsuit, clearly
mircea_popescu: 'cuz they went.
mircea_popescu: whoever you send to war is gonna be the male.
Chillum: we could hold the war in a really inconvenient location so that nobody shows up
Chillum: it is their turn anyways
Chillum: we could send women to war and the guys stay home
Adlai: the disadvantage of having a threader is that it saves newbies the valuable educational work of thinking while they read
mircea_popescu: yes, war is about how the women will be left, and they'll reform society into an imbecillic construction that'll require the next war.
mircea_popescu: the quote.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the guy cares what alf says.
trinque: sure, all over the place
mircea_popescu: think in terms of impregnating women, trinque. why don't you do it ? because what it... means, what it implies. but imagine it implied exactly nothing. well then ? why not ?
Adlai: now lock the secretary in a room with no internet and logs
Adlai: mircea_popescu: no! envision a secretary, lurking in-channel, tagging each message with the 'thread' to which it belongs
Chillum: they invented zero
Adlai shares another one of his ideas that require more rocket fuel than he has to offer - something which inputs log.b-a, and outputs actual threads
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:57:55; trinque: I have my doubts that a mind which believes in the will of allah produces anything of long term value
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095423 << nonsense, this. the arabs produced the fucking algorithm.
trinque: mircea_popescu: what is the alternate phrasing?
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:57:02; ascii_field: trinque: why would any powerful man use himself as another's rocket fuel? << in so long as this is phrased this way in his head - never.
mircea_popescu: what's the big deal ? animals are versatile. pigeons do it, why wouldn't monkeys.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095416 << actually being a woman, especially if young, and very very easy is what offers the best chance of survival.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095407 << this has historically not been the case.
Chillum: the people I was with said they don't normally live in that area but that one lives in the park
Chillum: then a freaking baboon walked by our table and gave us a nod as it went by
Chillum: At this forest like park I was drinking(they have bars in parks there!) and there were these little monkeys everywhere
mircea_popescu: im kinda sorrty we don't have an ukr alf here, it'd be fun to watch the two.
Chillum: the elephant was very far away, but I saw it
Chillum: they still exist
trinque: mircea_popescu: is this idea of the colossal project a russian thing?
mircea_popescu: i been to egypt, never seen these towns.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking the modern villages in england built out of their various ancient druid stuff.
trinque: mircea_popescu: right, this seems directly at odds with the multigenerational, self-sacrificial quest for truth
mircea_popescu: the locals didn't. you know ?
Chillum: the pyramids used to have a lovely limestone cover
Chillum: any long term project will be cannibalized the moment it become inconvenient not too
mircea_popescu: what motivates the monkey to pick up the rock isn't some sort of contorted dream about becoming a rockthrowing revolutionary ceo.
mircea_popescu: most of human history, and the vast majority of everything nice and good, came out of cause-oriented. so common in fact it didn't even have a name.
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:52:08; trinque: funkenstein_: I'm not saying long term projects can't exist; however, I think they're doomed if they do not benefit the participants all along the way
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095398 << "goal-oriented" has appeared in literature recently. there is a reason for this.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095388 << about the same that happens to people who thing their feelings are important.
mircea_popescu: whitelabelling and dropshipping and all that is how the "service economy" operates.
Chillum: we call them "widgets"
Chillum: people would arbitrage book auctions compared to known prices and then ship it all to Amazon for them to handle the shipping. Pencil pushers buying us dying companies and selling with least effort possible
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:47:50; ascii_field: 'And so, the answer to the perennially annoying question “How do I invest my money for it to survive financial, political and commercial collapse?” is this: “There is no answer to your question. Try asking a different question, to which there might be an answer.”'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095371 << or to put it in actual cannonical form, "how do i ensure my personal relevance transcends gaps which specifically annull the relevance of things existing prior ???". get in line, every old guy since afanti wanted to figure this one out.
Chillum: some people are so dumb they insist on pricing their book at 1 cent below the lowest price every hour when we have told them that other people are doing that
Chillum: by that I mean I wrote repricing scripts that set the prices on millions of books
mircea_popescu: came to the same conclusion, apparently.
Chillum: I used to sell books for a living, they really don't
mircea_popescu: for that matter, politicians are pliable, policemen respectful and judges amenable. in all times and places. that's what these do.
mircea_popescu: books also had meaning. all through the dark ages.
trinque: Chillum: or it falls apart because the narrative keeping people doing it is bullshit
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:47:23; Chillum: mats: historically civilizations do collapse so far, and no further. Even after the fall of the roman empire gold had value
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095365 << gold had value in the sense prostitutes are pleasant. sure, in general.
Chillum: The danger of planning tasks beyond your lifetime is instead of grand stabilizing projects they turn into welfare
trinque: that was the thread with alf earlier
mircea_popescu: imo it's kinda dweeby, but hey. one doesn't get to choose the times
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:46:18; Chillum: It would be nice to be born into a society that had spent the last 20 generations engaging in long term planning to make life easy
mircea_popescu: shinohai dawg you're trying too hard. how about you get in the wot, settle down to some reading ?
Chillum: I had this job and we had to get our site certified for some credit card standard. They required anti-virus software, but we run linux. So we installed an anti-virus scanner designed to find windows viruses in attachments for e-mail servers
mircea_popescu: but also makes fun of them all day for it.
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:42:35; trinque: say I'm the firewall company, I'd not only make my thing, I'd spend money punching holes in everyone else's products all day
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095342 << yeah. or in simpler terms : suppose you're the foreign kid in class that not only throws everyone's curve to the point where most of them flunk
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:39:27; ascii_field: trinque: again can't speak for you, but i can't create the customer any more than can create the weather.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095326 << people certainly understand problems stated in terms of sex a fuckload better than they understand the same problems stated in "abstract" terms huh.
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:27:44; trinque: you could build a product that's an order of magnitude better than what they offer in your sleep
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095315 << and run into the 17th standard problem ? the reason they're horribru is because they're stuck working for dwim users who are very diverse.
shinohai: How if we wish to have nice things, we need to pay for them
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:21:41; Chillum: I wish I had a satoshi for everything in the channel that was required reading
shinohai: I am no one. Just a person that wants to secure the future of this tech
mircea_popescu: what exactly would prevent me from beating the shit out of the 'villagers' each day, having them digging out gold nuggets till they drop so i can have more guns flown in ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, same people actually believe the equivalent of beggars in a river somewhere are... a communal co-op!
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:13:36; ascii_field: or the absurdity you were asked to believe, that villagers could have 'food flown in' in exchange for collectively 'picking up gold flakes'
shinohai: are we going to defeat the bitcoin foundation and build a real btc wallet?
mircea_popescu: which one is ultima ? the one with vi domina etc ?
assbot: Battle for the right to play old multiplayer games take shape. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0cEoK )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, it'd be http://qntra.net/2015/04/battle-for-the-right-to-play-old-multiplayer-games-take-shape
funkenstein_: thanks.. but it seems it is not taking the public key which was given to me
ascii_field: funkenstein_: likely means that there is a revocator packet in there for some key you don't have in your collection
ascii_field: 'Kids need to learn the consequences of embarrassing powerful people. That is one of the golden rules of modern society; thou shalt not embarrass thy superiors. Snowden forgot that, and this little punk forgot that. You respect your betters, or you get tossed in a cage. That's the law. Ingrain that into your kid's brains before puberty hits, or they will wind up in a cage too.' << from commentz
trinque has to run, will pick up the thread upon return
ascii_field: s last name, and the teacher had typed it in in full view of the students. The student said many other students used these administrators' passwords (their teachers' last names) so they can screen-share and video chat with other students. The student was briefly held in a nearby detention center, and the county Sheriff warned that other teenagers caught doing the same thing will "face the same consequences."'
ascii_field: 'A 14-year-old middle school student in Holiday, Florida, was arrested this week and charged with "an offense against a computer system and unauthorized access," which is a felony. The student reportedly used an administrator password to log into a teacher's computer and change the background image to a photo of two men kissing. The student also revealed his secrets after he was caught – the password was the teacher'
funkenstein_: the world that exists after your birth is imaginary <-- makes more sense
trinque: ratting comrades might make a person feel the same way about himself, so he choses death
trinque: has nothing to do with the situation after death
trinque: since they are infrequent I do not feel this way, but if they were daily I'd gladly end my life rather than continue in those conditions
trinque: the dehumanizing, laughing at nothing, vomiting kind
trinque: yeah but there are perhaps circumstances less appealing than death
ascii_field: the world that exists after your death is imaginary.
ascii_field: in actuality, there are two kinds of human activity. 'i will do this because my cock will be sucked, or to avoid whipping', and the other being 'i will do this because it is right'
ascii_field: trinque: that is a formulation for the simple
trinque: "I will bring about the glorious *it*"
ascii_field: to wrap up the thread, when i spoke of 'fanatic' i was referring precisely to mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' maxim.
ascii_field: trinque: this is not a question that anyone has any use for the answer of, even if i could convincingly answer it. but otherwise - chetty has it.
chetty: <trinque> right so what arrangement produces the longest-term supply of wealthy, educated, cultured patrons?// afaik feudalism
trinque: right so what arrangement produces the longest-term supply of wealthy, educated, cultured patrons?
ascii_field: what particular state religion is in use, is unimportant so long as ufimtsev et al can do their thing.
ascii_field: arguably in christendom, but he did write 'i do not need that hypothesis' when asked where the place of the creator was in 'principia'
chetty: same answer for all of the above, believers
ascii_field: how did aztecs stay in business long enough to build their pyramid temples?
ascii_field: and every other mega-empire
trinque: how does that thing run long enough for your zealots to produce the computer?
trinque: ultimately consumed by the rot of central economic planning?
ascii_field: note that herr ufimtsev did not go to a venture capitalist and ask for money to live on so he could study mathematics and live a long life of possibly not amounting to anything that could be cashed in to pay it back.
ascii_field: the (meanwhile obsolete today but that is another conversation) 'stealth' airplane - lives and dies by this paper
ascii_field: P. Ya. Ufimtsev, Method of Edge Waves in the Physical Theory of Diffraction, Soviet Radio, Moscow, 1962.
trinque: ascii_field: ah, I am not also saying that because something's not at walmart it doesn't really exist. the market being skewed towards morons is a separate problem which needs to be solved
ascii_field: trinque: interestingly, there are quite a few technologies which, in the popular mind, 'don't exist' because you cannot get them at the corner store.
trinque: ascii_field: looks like his capitalist was the soviet state
trinque: how bout producing more than one of the thing
trinque: I am not questioning whether people solve problems simply because of the satisfaction of doing so
funkenstein_: the interesting bit is what you guys actually do with your lives, not who says they have what in which accounts
trinque: ascii_field: was he permitted to benefit from the fruits of his own labor, or did this belong to some all-owning state? I am not familiar enough with Russian history to say.
mats: there is such a thing as frictional force business you know
funkenstein_: if you are in it for the money you are an amateur
ascii_field: the economic actors came second.
ascii_field: the only reason you are reading this by electric light, instead of mumbling to yourself in a field, is that someone had the freedom to counter-economically pull his mental dick by experimenting with strange.
trinque: mats: I think scientists might just tend to think themselves above commerce
mats: there is not always commercial value in incremental science