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asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other.
asciilifeform: trimming down a unixlike to run therealbitcoin and other traditional proggies that we're stuck with - is one thing
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 08:35:04; gabriel_laddel: I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an
asciilifeform: what kind of respect does either 'top student' deserve ?
asciilifeform: folks who went there - either of these or any other top academies of usg - by all rights ought to pretend to have spent their youth in jail or army.
asciilifeform: and wish to see it demolished, the earth - salted, the inhabitants - lowered into pederasty
asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard.
asciilifeform: virtually 100% envirowhinerism, 'solutions' for the turd world, or 'accomplishments' of the Officially Sad
asciilifeform: to anyone who does not immediately apprehend the reason for my position, i invite a look into the 'mit press' catalogues for the last decade or so.
asciilifeform: to continue with mit thread: and to answer whaack's question: yes being associated with modern mit (vs 1980s and prior) is a serious strike against you. especially if you 'succeed' there. or, heaven help you, employed therein
asciilifeform: if this satisfies you, why are you even bothering with crypto
asciilifeform: williamdunne: keybase and friends (usg in the broadest possible sense) can read your mail and sign as you.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: we don't want invite to coprophagic restaurant either...
asciilifeform: ^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe.
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:44; asciilifeform: 'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.'
asciilifeform: re: the mit thing:
felipelalli: williamdunne: this was for me the icing on the cake.
felipelalli: williamdunne: "Oh, I was wondering the other day. What caused the removal of options from MPEX?" << I wonder the same.
williamdunne: Is the source for the WoT available? If I have some free time I'd like to take a crack at making it more readable
mircea_popescu: once the blog's back remind me an' i'll link you.
williamdunne: Oh, I was wondering the other day. What caused the removal of options from MPEX?
williamdunne: Yes I can remember reading something by you about the stupidity of beautiful code
mircea_popescu: " The ability to incrementally develop programs (featured in the first video) has been a cornerstone feature of Lisp since the 80s (or earlier). " << you know this is the only way i like to program in the rare cases i actually do ?
mircea_popescu: "mpex is from the future. you need internet exploder 28 to view its css v 9 1/3"
mircea_popescu: i should probably put a "if you don't see the css, please get the latest version of your browser"
williamdunne: "how do i use mpex - i think the css is broken1"
mircea_popescu: dux, more properly said. "interface with the stupid users". while i see a clear reason why all women should twerk, whether they like to or not, i see no reason any computer should ever twerk, whether women want them to or not.
williamdunne: Well yes, most of the time they take it overboard and it ends up being a suicidal ordeal
williamdunne: So the b-a WoT is separate to the b-otc WoT
mircea_popescu: and i could go on but whatevs. not like we're writing the encyclopedia of stupid.
mircea_popescu: fifth, the "web designer community" is ~= vc bezzle. it has exactly nothing to do with the web, relevancy, the future or anything else.
mircea_popescu: fourth, js was never a significant or worthy of mention part of the web, at no stage in its lifecycle and certainly not during "infancy".
mircea_popescu: first off, the ios bs is no thread to the web. second off, the web's reach was never a major factor. third off, the web is failing, on its dismerits, but those have exactly nothing to do with javascript.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, mod6 (others tracking the DNS seed thread as well): i'd like to hear from you all as well
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo?
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> ben_vulpes: what did mit do, eat your cat? << 'tis a tentacle of the beast slithering out of the lake, seeking to fasten its suckers onto and drag under those who'd otherwise fight by my side
ben_vulpes: <whaack> ((changes resume to name, bitcoin address, and gpg key)) << you only have the one addr, and plan to tell folks about it?
mircea_popescu: there is that.
ben_vulpes: does actually know how to leverage meatwot for work, could probably put a bolt action together, but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : if you get your job from the hr dept you suck. real men get their jobs from the ceo.)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and this person was under 30, and had never taken a virgin asshole, or planted a tree or butchered as much as a rabbit, couldn't put together a disassembled weapon of their choice if they had the whole day
ben_vulpes: somehow to this person body and brain are separate things. this person who's never actually watched the terminal trainwreck of cascading failures.
mircea_popescu: So, in a bid to remain relevant in a world that didn't want their products, 3D Labs showed up to a Game Developer Conference wielding presentations for something they called "OpenGL 2.0". This would be a complete, from-scratch rewrite of the OpenGL API. And that makes sense; there was a lot of cruft in OpenGL's API at the time (note: that cruft still exists). Just look at how texture loading and binding work; it's semi
mircea_popescu: Which they did.
mircea_popescu: See, 3D Labs was a dying company. Their expensive GPUs were being marginalized by NVIDIA's increasing pressure on the workstation market. And unlike NVIDIA, 3D Labs did not have any presence in the mainstream market; if NVIDIA won, they died.
ben_vulpes: had an amusing conversation with a "transhumanist" the other day about life extension. counterparty had the notion that somehow we'd seen the limits of the body but not the limits of the brain. i asked if this person had actually ever watched an elderly person go through terminal decline, and the answer was of course "no".
ben_vulpes: and the second to pass while i'm in argentina, if things do play out that way.
ben_vulpes: this is the last biological one i have
ben_vulpes: anyways nonzero odds my grandmother passes during con3
mircea_popescu: irc is the largest challenge to blogging i ever saw.
ben_vulpes: it's the mircea_popescu show!
ben_vulpes reviews the logs
mircea_popescu: (much funnier in romanian, where sfrr is an onomatopeia for sizzle, as in a steak's sizzle, and thus implicitly a pars pro toto reference to "servants, friends, riches, reputation", ie the steak's sizzle.)
mircea_popescu: "if only you were a sheep" "but i'm to big to be a sheep!" "nevertheless" "but sheep don't get milk anyway" "well... they're in the general area of where cheese is made..."
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the bear wondering why he's not getting any milk and the shepherd dogs bark.
mircea_popescu: and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" and why is it that the retarded seem to be particularly offended at whatever you happened to write last.
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 19:14:20; ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase.
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 17:09:13; mats: this kinda con is on chapter one in the playbook
mircea_popescu: if you allow them to respect you on their own terms you end up buying into their stupidity sooner or later.
mircea_popescu: well, kinda poisoned. you don't generally want the respect of ignorant people on their own terms, but on yours.
whaack: so, if for whatever reason I want the respect of an ignorant person, I may reveal to them that I go to MIT
mircea_popescu: everyone's dumb at least some of the time.
mircea_popescu: well if you do it inappropriately it may well command the disdain of thinking people.
whaack: so revealing I go to MIT, for the most part, commands the respect of ignorant people
mircea_popescu: you can be the dean of aids-is-cured-by-raping-virgin-infants university of harare for all i care.
mircea_popescu: moreover,without specific cause, why would i judge the affairs of another to begin with ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to answer the general question : biases are a statistic concept, they are meaningful when discussing groups, not individuals. for all i know you're there to troll them, or the only pipe you can get water to your house in happens to be rusted, what are you to do, be without water at all ? gotta wash etc.
whaack: So... do you hold it against me for even revealing that I'm a student there?
mircea_popescu: even if they appear smart, that flaw is hard to wash. "he's dumb at least some times, apparently..."
mircea_popescu: still, a significant bias against anyone that offers their being a mit graduate does attach. one necessarily thinks "so this kid is dumb or what."
hanbot: brandworld problems. the moment people care more about being associated with the group than doing the group's work, groupname is a lost cause.
whaack: now we're going to excuse everyone on the grounds that hey, no matter how badly the perceptible mit sucks, there's a really cool meta-mit ? << basically, yes
mircea_popescu: now we're going to excuse everyone on the grounds that hey, no matter how badly the perceptible mit sucks, there's a really cool meta-mit ?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that historically kids that could add were excused from having to express themselves on the very flimsy grounds that "hey, not like they went to vassar, they're technical minds". hence the humanities-technicals division.
whaack: because if you are deeply invested in research you have no time for the podium shenanagins, so it logically follows that those who are not deeply invested in research are the ones who do have time for podium shenanagins
mircea_popescu: that's the crux here. why "logically" ?
whaack: About half the students don't show up to this stuff, and when they do it's just because it's a place to socialize while someone is rambling in the background
whaack: right, but you collect a lot of people into the group "mit" The people who are in charge of running the quasi-religious graduation ceremony are logically always going to be the ones who are not pursuing interesting shit
mircea_popescu: an earthworm taped to an empty box at the grocer's is at least unrelated to academia, rather than the exact opposite of it. they would have been better served by the earthworm.
mircea_popescu: a more grievous insult to what mit aims to pretend it is could not be devised. even if they invited elena ceausescu to hold that podium.
mircea_popescu: i do not read in the original speaker even the faintest glimmer of intellectual life.
whaack: also, he is likely stating this to try to fight against "sure, to a certain degree the problem with the world is that idiots are cock sure while mit graduates are full of doubt." Whether or not he's having an internal struggle and displaying it or trying to help others with their internal struggles idk, probably the former lol
whaack: well for starters the person who winds up on the podium is going to be the one who spent his time trying to make sure he was on the podium instead of doing something interesting, so he/she will always be amongst the least interesting people at MIT
mircea_popescu: it's really a very well constructed piece, what with this classical parts of discourse, reinforcements of thesis etc approach. the guy that made it handshakes with me, and that's why i believe the piece to be important. it's not a matter of the wikified "was it or wasn't it", totalitarian superficialism. it's that the guy that made it clearly knows what he should be saying, and how.
mircea_popescu: it's a sort of self-parody, that thing. the lightbulb segment merely drives this point home to people who aren't accustomed withj judging discourse : the guys are making total fools of themselves. the way they do it reminds the way the original guy did it.
mircea_popescu: if we shall excuse him for this, then why is he speaking at all ? he should show, right ? he's a technical guy, riught ? how come the only way his technical achievement reaches me is through rhetorics ?
mircea_popescu: but he doesn't. why does he do it then ?
mircea_popescu: well for one, rhetorics is more than praxis, it's also the voice. that is NOT how you speak, if you even know what speech is.
mircea_popescu: the important part of that video isn't even (to my critical eye) the "light a bulb" segment. the important part is the opening sequence. a dweeb dweebing about how "we are the premiere bla bla". o yeah ?
mircea_popescu: to a sadly larger degree however, the mit graudates' professed confidence rings hollow, like the posturings of the tiny dicked.
mircea_popescu: sure, to a certain degree the problem with the world is that idiots are cock sure while mit graduates are full of doubt.
mircea_popescu: now what might be the cause of that.
whaack: it's marketed that way due to the widespread lack of self-confidence in the community
mircea_popescu: so there we go.
mircea_popescu: and that problem is present, and that problem is the deep reason i despise mit as an intellectual approach.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that they are selling themselves wrongly : as an achievement rather than as an attempt. which is what allows stuff like that video to *denote*, whether it describes or not.
whaack: MIT duped a bunch of old guys to give us ~1,000 coins. Sure there are many "bad apples" but MP is definitely hating. Idk what's up with the lightbulb video it is a selected subset for the segment IMO
mircea_popescu: "During the last decades the American Departments of Computing Science have severely suffered from a discrepancy between what society asked for and what society needed, but, be it slowly, the gap seems to be closing."
mircea_popescu: "exactly like the bible was driven. before was before, but this is after."
mircea_popescu: someone early may be excused because the word did not exist, is all.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne someone late may not be credible if they do not get in the wot.
mircea_popescu: I knew a girl once, she was very smart. She went to mit, then returned but never came back.
mircea_popescu: to go with the "how to fight pseudoscience : ignore it" stuff on trilema.
mircea_popescu: but people we don't know from before 1980 MAY NOT EVER BE CITED unless they get in wot.
mircea_popescu: "knowledge" without source is gunk. ideally the source is a pgp signature. absent that, it may be a name pre 1980.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel see, the djikstra quotes are great. because they are SOMEONE.
mircea_popescu: an' all that's really missing is someone willing to go to the trouble.
mircea_popescu: if you can spend half your tiem on your farm and half the time shooting socialists in the head and still be a region leader, clearly the region's not much of a challenge in the first place.
mircea_popescu: rhodesia is the informative example on this topic. the white guys could survive the attack of outside blacks with the support of the inside blacks, even as the outsiders were being sponsored by the usual "helpers".
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mircea_popescu: kinda the subhuman indolence discussed in http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm is its problem. not teh "violent disorder".
mircea_popescu: "africa is still trying to work around the genetic/epigenetic/cultural relationship that leads the inhabitants to destroy anything resembling order."
mircea_popescu: no, this the excerpt.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "this" the distro?
mircea_popescu: people don't want to sign code, even code they've written. trinque doesn't want to vouch for bundles he inherited. yet you're willing to vouch for this. why and how come ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel " I've assembled some quotes from Wikipedia which paint, from what I could tell, an accurate picture," what is the meaning of "from what i could tell" in that sentence ? because the follow-up, "I've lived in the US for 22 years and heard nothing about" seems essentially an appeal to ignorance. but that aside, how does the "From what i could tell" construct emerge here ?
mircea_popescu: you can waltz straight to the devil on x axis by bouncing from -1 to +1 on the y axis.
mircea_popescu: if you think about how a split is driven into wood, i mean the newtonian mechanics underlying the process, you have the model ready : each advancement of the split is a "reaction to" one side or the other overbalancing.
mircea_popescu: is the carefully managed "reaction to".
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, which i insist on the score. the way the brokedness system has propagated itself since at least hamilton, ie two centuries ago,
mircea_popescu: ow sheit look at that. linking to... "the myspace anyone can edit" from your foundational document ? what happens if tomorrow that thing reads "laddel eats c0ks lawl" ?
mircea_popescu: Googling "Leeland Yee", "California IOU", "Keith Jackson" or "mexican gangs" paints a rather grim picture. << i thought the web was broken.
mircea_popescu: " Prior to this, the IRS scandal, and currently the administration is refusing to take action on the illegal immigration problem. " << the main clause lost its verb.
mircea_popescu: regarding the following questions: [basic, sensible questions] … doth not work, for one.
mircea_popescu: ... rather than provide for him the illusion that he has something new while saving him the effort by merely renaming the old shit in his head.
trinque: how could the student know how to construct a scenario which will teach him something he does not yet know
mircea_popescu: kinda how "brainwashing" in the harem works. or body washing, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's definitely something to it. taking people out of a social context which forces and incentivizes them to be stupid usually results in shock, and then significant improvement.
mircea_popescu: so... you do in fact agree self directed doesn't work, and the shit has to be stomped out. just don't wanna say it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: my old boss called it the "end-user/developer divide."
mircea_popescu: "The technical apartheid."
trinque: that the right computing environment would just naturally de-derp the user
trinque: ben_vulpes: 6.1 was eric's thought on the matter as well
ben_vulpes: mostly that curating a distro and then building a lispy "os" on it is a bugger of a task.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i hope you appreciate i hit you over the head because i like you.
mircea_popescu: he really got something there.
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mircea_popescu: at the time they were spending massively on some sort of "re-whatever" urban thing. turned a bunch of the old mills into artist lofts and whatnot
mats: lowell is the anus of greater boston, yo.
mircea_popescu: unless they found some sort of unction in the intervening decade, you can't find a single soul on the entire communist autonomous enclave of cambridge that can speak latin.
mircea_popescu: i've been there yo. i lived half a year in lowell, mass. i ate half my meals in the house of professors there. i know the place, as it happens.
mircea_popescu: so i should be careful with my windows 7 - ready laptop around them ?
ben_vulpes: writes haskell, wanks in ever more theatrical ways, no doubt.
mats: what i know is that i encountered the single largest number of talented folks with skills in weaponizing exploits at MIT
mircea_popescu: well, that's the function, financially, whatever. i mean you know, in its own privacy.
trinque: persuade the usg to cut them fat checks
mircea_popescu: dubious if even the head has a clear picture. mebbe,
ben_vulpes: but simulacra that pass the sniff test at palantir and other usg sinecure production theaters
mircea_popescu: mats the presumption is merely that any remaining brains are there IN SPITE of mit
mats: presuming there is not one functioning brain in the lot is fantasy.
ben_vulpes: all of the other smart kids now know - MIT murders those who step out of line.
mircea_popescu: uh. this is like saying "these drama nerds are very sexy, i know one writing for sex in the city"
ben_vulpes: feeder schools for the meatrobot farms.
ben_vulpes: the notion that google/facebook/mentorgraphics/ibm feeder schools produce dangerous individuals is *laughable*
trinque: my comment was sarcastic; I'm sure there are those at MIT that can manage a lightbulb
mircea_popescu: well... "danger to himself and others"...
mircea_popescu: mats how's the mit grad dangerous ?
mats: trinque: underestimating dangerous people is how clever folks get killed all the time.
ben_vulpes: "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax (detect false positives short a full parser)" << this strikes me as a special case of the "cannot simulate a universe without a universe" claim.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, moocs are made for the wiki generation of broken heads, and a necessary outgrowth from the brokedness baked in the pseudo-encyclopedism.
ben_vulpes: eerie parallel to the "disqualifying bad teachers" thread.
mircea_popescu: the kid who wants to go "in all directions" just ends up making wall pizza
mircea_popescu: this is of course silly, in the abstract. in practice, it's the only way to have research, by cutting paths out of the unknown.
mircea_popescu: the scientific method exists to provide support for research BY DENYING RESEARCH. that's all it does : marks wide swaths of perfectly valid human inquiry with a tar brush reading "STUPID SHIT WE DONT CARE LALALA"
trinque: mats: the US is literally idiocracy throughout
mircea_popescu: for that matter, another important hook is the scientific method. (kuhn's book on the topic is absolutely required here, and really it's 100 pages or some shit.)
ben_vulpes: ask them to wire a lightbulb up
mircea_popescu: take enough of these you will never ever know anything.
mircea_popescu: which brings us back to my point : tourist in kenya is not more knowledgeable on "the country of africa" than obama. guy that went through "mooc introduction to chemistry" has NOT been introduced to chemistry.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you wish the path analogy, moocs are like tourists : they go "to a foreign country", spend their time between local mcdonalds and local starbucks in the "idiot foreigners" quarter.
mircea_popescu: mats nice spring here too, which means cooler o.O and for some reason they call spring autumn.
mircea_popescu: this can not be fixed by making the path itself different. it is outside the path. yes chemistry is the same.
mircea_popescu: irl, there exists such a thing as gravity. you can't float broadly over a path. gravity pushes you down into it.
mircea_popescu: the path analogy is very misleading, imo.
gabriel_laddel: While I think that the whole submitting to a teacher thing is important in some cases, we have 100ks of people running through e.g., introductory chemistry courses. There are only so many paths to walk.
mircea_popescu: see, THAT is fundamental. what you're describing is not fundamental in any sense, but merely technical. which may be whats' wrong with them, for that matter
mircea_popescu: in those cases where they exist.
mircea_popescu: becoming something in the style of wikipedia : a great way to batten down the ignorance of users. after a mooc they're just as ignorant as before, but now it's much harder to fix.
mircea_popescu: in trying to insulate the learner from the hot core of education (the rape), moocs succeed in educating the learner from education altogether,
mircea_popescu: they purport to be learner-driven. this is as idiotic as it gets. education works in the following stages : learner picks a teacher TO SUBMIT TO, blindly. teacher rapes the learner. this is education.
gabriel_laddel: Let's say that you sign up for a course. You cannot possibly learn anything interesting because they've got to execute all code in the browser, or barring that, you're aping youtube videos.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, i could tell you what's fundamentally broken with them :
mircea_popescu: appalling completion rate, but fuck their mothers.
gabriel_laddel: Completion rate is really irrelevent, the problem is that they've created this new "format" and books are still superior.
mircea_popescu: in the "completion rate" sense, esp if ill defined, b-a is a failure.
gabriel_laddel: they're failures.
mircea_popescu: seems besides the point, but no and yes.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: or seen their completion rates?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "MOOCS (massively open online courses and the like) have failed due to fundamental issues with their technical perspective - a perspective shared by nearly the entire fiat world. New frontiers have opened, Masamune provides a technical foundation for mission critical programmes of the future."
mircea_popescu: the nj dudes were just wasps, an irrelevant, far removed margin of the idiocy pie.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you wish to blame someone for the new jersey approach, blame constantine. it is HIS fault he stopped throwing idiots to the lions.
gabriel_laddel: It is the good sword. However in the game I stole the reference from - it was the sword of the villain.
mircea_popescu: funny that all the west knows of a millennium of craftsmanship perfection and perhaps the matrix for all human accomplishment is "but which was the bad one".
mircea_popescu: was masamune the "good" sword or the bad sword ?
gabriel_laddel: unless I give someone the direct link, as in here they'll only see it from that code path.
ben_vulpes: i think it's a note for people reading via the repository browser
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "If you're reading this on github there is a more attractive HTML version here." but "here" IS on github. subdomain.gutrot.io
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trinque: ben_vulpes: it's still all out there
ben_vulpes: is the dust getting collected?
trinque: easy to verify whether it did too
trinque: not saying the old one didn't work, just wasn't my work
mircea_popescu: craftsman allowed to put a history mark in there, <hr /> is quite reasoanble actually.
ben_vulpes: at the same time...it's la serenissima's list of deeds. the notary in question is somewhat irrelevant.
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 08:35:04; gabriel_laddel: I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an
trinque: I just didn't run the old one, so was going to maybe mark these as having come from the old thing
mircea_popescu: remember ? people can spend the dust ? so you or anyone knows what address proves any claim ?
mircea_popescu: the address they COME FROM dun matter, just the address they GO TO
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 08:35:04; gabriel_laddel: I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an
trinque: ben_vulpes: strictly speaking it's not, except to answer the question "were these supposed to come from a different address?"
ben_vulpes: why is the "from" address necessary?
mircea_popescu: i don't get why you'd do anythin other than a db import
ben_vulpes: did the encoding of deed bundle -> addr hash change between your and punkman's versions of the thing?
trinque: I'll just add a "from" address column, which is always the same for new bundles, but will be the old address for these
ben_vulpes: more rows at the bottom of the table, with block, addr and bundle.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they were published in certain blocks, you/re not re-deeding them
ben_vulpes: the block in which a deed was published is actually important
trinque: publish them like they're new docs, and put an additional doc in there saying "hey here are the original txns for these"
trinque: ben_vulpes: I could just make another deed with the original transaction data too
mats: is there a direct equivalent for docview in vim?
ben_vulpes: do you think it'd be adequate to publish the block, the address and the bundle in the same table on deedbot.org?
trinque: arguably this is the first time this deedbot has seen any of these docs, so I don't think it makes sense to use old transactions as the timestamp
ben_vulpes: well the embedding transactions already went out
ben_vulpes: buuh you and his popescuity have a better handle on the thing
trinque: is that what's desired, or should I involve the old transactions somehow
trinque: ben_vulpes: as I understand it I'll just take the old deeds and re-bundle them?
ben_vulpes: it's be stellar to have them in place before con3.
ben_vulpes: ey trinque, d'you have time to get the legacy deeds in this weekend?
ben_vulpes: bigger deal than the declaration of sovereignty.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not saying that it will happen, merely planning for the unlikely
ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase.
gabriel_laddel: They are guaranteed to have an agent one or two handshakes away.
gabriel_laddel: y linux kernel via sneakernet produced by ? who didn't interface with the kernel devs and originally uploaded his modifications from several drones abandoned on coffee shop rooftops."
gabriel_laddel: "A single procedure call being all that is necessary to bundle the entirety of the (possibly heavily modified) sources into a redistributable bootable USB stick installer or network download. Coupled with meaningful extensibility, the unsophisticated interests that have taken ahold of the bureaucratic process of all linux distributions are bypassed. Imagine hunting down 1000s of individuals distributing a less crapp
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 19:02:01; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel why are you in particular doomed for the alphabet soup?
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097455 << I'm not "doomed to it" anymore than anyone else. But I am looking for someone in the silly valley to pay my bills. When I explain what it is that I'm doing, let's say that this individual truely understands the implications of
gabriel_laddel: the distro has been curated - the development on top of that has not been finished
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i was under the impression you were in the process of curating a distro, was i mistaken
funkenstein_: sorry i didn't get through reading the references in the references in the start of your material <-- how slow i am
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel why are you in particular doomed for the alphabet soup?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: this kinda con is on chapter one in the playbook
funkenstein_: mats, sounds like "the secret agent" by joseph conrad
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