assbot: The Great American Passport Myth: Why Just 3.5% Of Us Travel Overseas! | William D. Chalmers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymYsVh )
decimation: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-d-chalmers/the-great-american-passpo_b_1920287.html < "The real story is that when broken down, those 25.8 million trips overseas were taken by approximately just 13.3 million American residents. And that means that in total, the real number of Americans that actually traveled (took trips) overseas in 2009 for either business or leisure, was about 15.5 million --o r just five percent of our
mircea_popescu: "shit, im not sorting all these"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu probably does not entirely apprehend the degree to which various folks in usa, myself included, are already in a sharashka. we work for scrip, every penny of which is centrally accounted for, incoming and out
decimation: mircea_popescu: I suspect that many usians go their whole life without touching non-usd currency
mircea_popescu: i was pretty amused at the notion, on multiple fronts.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> guy declared "golden helicopter" << i bet savages do believe that an airplane flies on account of some compact talisman contained therein
mircea_popescu: notably, i once picked up a us chick who at the time was engaged to be married.
asciilifeform: and then go and enjoy.
mircea_popescu: what agent is EVER going to wish to go work on a case where the emperor has dclared "huge value", wioth the full knowlerdge that if the value is somehoiw missing he will be imputed it anyway ?
asciilifeform: or more elementarily, they confiscate the usd with which you are to buy rent and food.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone directly realises what epic self decapitation the dpr was for the usg.
asciilifeform: depends on whether anyone buys.
mircea_popescu: they gonna send some agents to confiscate imaginary bitcoin which then doesn't exist because "the agents stole it" ?
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.
decimation: in order to sell such a thing legally in the us, you must explictly gain usg's permission, after suitably demonstrating that it works as claimed
mircea_popescu: eople can't appreciate why the machine is the way it is then they're stupid." Unfortunately, the potential buyers desired (drooled) to have them but few could afford them."
mircea_popescu: st for the monitor screen was $8K (at least that was what I was told). My recollection was that the manufacturing cost of a Symbolics machine was over $40K. Hence, about one-third of the cost of a machine was the keyboard, mouse, and display. I told people within Symbolics to consider using a dumb display as the front-end (something like a Datapoint terminal). I can remember one employee telling me something like "if p
mircea_popescu: "(4) When I was on the front line, trying to sell Lispms, we had a major problem. I'd try to sell Lispms to friends and former associates that cost a minimum of $90K, and generally $105K out-the-door. They were typically given $120K to buy computers. This left them with a choice of purchasing 1 Symbolics machine or 3 Xerox Dolphins. They generally selected the 3 Dolphins. Our cost for the keyboard was $3,200 and our co
mircea_popescu: so is the ancient failure it discusses.
asciilifeform: not entirely wrong, either
asciilifeform: lost interest quickly after seeing the pNohe
asciilifeform: wasn't even able to find immediately what they claimed to use.
asciilifeform: did someone link to the ancient 'symbolics, death of heterogeneous engineering' essay ? and i didn't notice
decimation: asciilifeform: re: gotenna < yeah I don't get why phone is needed either. why not simple 4 line lcd with 'thumb keyboard'?
decimation: re: smaller office < note that one disadvantage that mit has is that because they are taken superficially as 'the hotness', they probably encounter very little negative feedback on obviously fucktarded behavior
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098020 << you read the bit about why lisp company failed btw ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098014 << well, i hired (and paid, upfront) two different hosts. neither has managed to provisdion server yet.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:07:18; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion?
mircea_popescu: decimation in the endless words of george, "you will note that i am in the smaller office!"
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:06:58; asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator.
mircea_popescu: fairness is not on the agenda.
assbot: An Interview With Nadya Peek - Gallant Gcode Gerontology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWDrt )
decimation: you can listen to her being interviewed by the annoying australian here: http://www.theamphour.com/208-an-interview-with-nadya-peek-gallant-gcode-gerontology/
mircea_popescu: "It needs to be portable, therefore battery powered." << box.
asciilifeform: (ricochet modems could connect with one another without repeater, and i briefly searched if classical 'radiomodem' is still sold by anyone)
asciilifeform: http://www.gotenna.com/pages/how-it-works << commercial product, claimed. but begs question, why the pNohe is needed.
asciilifeform: like the mold that grows in public toilets
asciilifeform: organism inescapable for the niche
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:56:07; asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097986 << mit has little credit to claim there. all socialist states produce this variety exactly.
asciilifeform: (bottles, thermoclines)
mircea_popescu: the parasithic nature and the strict contempt of "law" it displays are essential for its success.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: second was thermal
mircea_popescu: no. thermal, cap and glue.
mircea_popescu: thermal power unit, + cap ?
asciilifeform: not even by bureaucrats, but by the first fool who loads 'youtube'
mircea_popescu: and feel free to publish your design on the unfairly neglected blog eh ?
mircea_popescu: let them ddos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a largely complete design for this and 5 other similar items, will confess.
mircea_popescu: this is phase 1. phase 2 is when we target all the cars ever seen parked by a nsa building. give meta-nsa something to fret about.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of the little toy : i wouldn't mind putting a few coins behind a project dedicating to actually creating an array of p2p relays operated "alegally" in the manner described (glued to peoplke's cars without their knowledge).
asciilifeform: evidently the crown made a gift, to someone.
asciilifeform: though the last time i walked by, sticker was - gone
asciilifeform: just like -someone- knows who owns that house down the street from where i sit
decimation: I wonder if some entity gobbled up those 'assets' and is preventing their removal
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it is unclear who, precisely owns them, and the contract for their emplacement - iirc - was perpetual, somehow)
asciilifeform: and, interestingly, no one hurries to remove them.
asciilifeform: virtually all of the boxes in my city - still work.
asciilifeform was, for a while anyway, the owner of a ricochet repeater which 'fell off a pole'
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. as it is, it is very much pegged into the traditional 2.4G band.
asciilifeform: the backhaul nodes which connected these things to the ordinary net, naturally died years and years ago.
decimation: asciilifeform: what would be useful wrt this ESP8266 would be if one could modify the waveforms it used
asciilifeform: they answer pings
asciilifeform: there are a dozen just within range of where i sit now
asciilifeform: but the boxes still work!
asciilifeform: the firm went thoroughly broke, through - iirc - embezzlement - long, long ago
decimation: asciilifeform: one trouble is that open wifi is not easy to find these days
asciilifeform: climb up, then break tube of cyanoacrylate glue.
asciilifeform: futher in the 'vandal' theme, i will point out that it is not difficult to build a very cheap apparatus for climbing up walls with a few dozen grams' payload, quickly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : best way to find out of magic packeted or not - actually deploy it as p2p relay as described. once wash dc is full of them you'll find out alright.
asciilifeform: (the wild cats in my neighbourhood run on this energy)
mircea_popescu: it WOULD run on the gradient of exhaust
asciilifeform: - run on thermal gradient
asciilifeform: very much leads into the ancient dream of 'p2p relay you can superglue to undersides of parked cars and other vandalisms'
mircea_popescu: so fuzz them!
asciilifeform: if i had any reason to believe that these did not have magic-packet anal hole circuits, i'd be buying by the kilogram.
asciilifeform: also unrelated, the ESP8266 mentioned last night is a very interesting item.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you ever watch 'the president's analyst''?
asciilifeform: there is a set of english subs floating about.
decimation: I find it fascinating that a human can be invented from whole cloth, and then inserted into the political ladder
asciilifeform: these people do not even -have- identities
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems the idea of 'not ghostwriting' is unthinkable with modern political types
asciilifeform: when the idea of ghostwriting is even thinkable, we know we're dealing with a class of muppets.
decimation: "In Dreams, written two years later, Obama takes an unlikely detour to the exact spot on the parallel East River where the north-flowing tide meets the south-flowing river. There, improbably, a young black boy approaches this strange man and asks, "You know why sometimes the river runs that way and then sometimes it goes this way?" Obama tells the boy it "had to do with the tides." "
decimation: that it flows both north and south, and they had visited the exact spot where the tide stops its northward push." "
decimation: "In To Teach, Ayers recounts the story of an ambitious teacher who takes her students out to the streets of New York to learn about its culture and history. These students ask to see the nearby Hudson River. When they get to the river's edge, one student says, " Look, the river is flowing up." A second student says, "No, it has to flow south-down." Upon further research, the teacher discovers "that the Hudson River is a tidal river,
mircea_popescu: hm... i guess in the context "color me" is a faux pas ?
mircea_popescu: obama didn't know his father ?
decimation: 'dreams of my father'
mircea_popescu: the one on polymers ?
mircea_popescu: it's funnier (to me) than the old soviet confusion.
mircea_popescu: most nobody knew who he was. so fucking funny this shit, whenever something happened, the us "public intellectual" has to show up
mircea_popescu: or with the - horror of horrors - sensitive, lonely, loving geek.
mircea_popescu: one thing i don't think anyone can blame the whorish co-ed for, not getting involved with the bros.
asciilifeform: 'young' being 10 yrs. her senior, rather than 35.
asciilifeform: when she runs into young man with money - goes there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the normal rationale is 'we rob banks because that's where the money is'
mircea_popescu: and you will notice that even as an amateur - she ALSO charges for queing, ie, after the fact.
asciilifeform: everything else re: whores may as well be at nsa in the vaults, as far as my incomplete education is concerned.
mircea_popescu: that's usually the amateur.
asciilifeform: the other whore, is a college gurl who occasionally 'dates' old man in exchange for tuition money.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i live, at least to the 'street computer shop' level of apprehension, a whore is an abject and usually physically revolting creature who fellates what may well be gorillas for a hit of 'crack'
asciilifeform: when i land on mars i would like to meet these !
mircea_popescu: what'd be the difference ?
asciilifeform: so, much as 'software' to naggum et al means something quite other than what it means to the schmuck who goes to the 'computer shop' to buy antivirus etc.;
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is at best naive to imagine whore is whore "because the money". not so. whore does not give a shit, at which point might as well be paid. because - queue. has to be sorted somehow.
asciilifeform: i am told that there are men who have sex for pay
asciilifeform wonders if 'whore' means the customary thing, to mircea_popescu, or if it is a mistranslation of something
mircea_popescu: thus whore always finds herself in the position where the cheapest avenue is to ask master for a hammer to shut the dumbasses up.
mircea_popescu: it's a very simple thing : whores are, in point of fact, for the fact of having been whores, superior to "mere women", ie, the usual vanilla nitwit. this is a fact, incontrovertible as the fact that the sun is glowier than the moon.
mircea_popescu: i suppose neither of you ever kept whores ?
asciilifeform: (al schwartz, incidentally, was quite fascinated with elena c. and her 'chemistry' in much the same way i am)
asciilifeform: aha. the question of whether elena actually thought that being a chemist is being what she was, and mr o - professor of law, i will leave to the shrinks
mircea_popescu: i prefer to refer to that other thing as kim-il-nigger. seems adequate.
mircea_popescu: when the necks are [self]squeezed to the point a supposed "law school" publishes that tripe it is ANOTHER thing.
asciilifeform: mr mold found (and then retracted, somehow) some fairly convincing evidence that mr o never actually attended classes, as student
mircea_popescu: istinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."
mircea_popescu: "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is d
mircea_popescu: but the point is... lemme find it.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the muppet in chief : anyone ever recall that embarassment when he was calling himself a "professor of constitution" while having been a lecturer, so eventually chicago came out with "he was REGARDED as a professor" ?
mircea_popescu: see, they're all selling the same snake oil, but! harvard is "for humanity', stanford is "patriotism", mit is "for the economy", the chicks one whatever it's called is "for the arts" etc.
mircea_popescu: also for the economy.
asciilifeform: in gurevich's system, there was no iron piston, as in the later 'СП'. instead, there was a small quantity of... water.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:52:11; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097977 << stanford is the patriotic one.
asciilifeform: http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=815 << original, afaik, example of the principle.
mircea_popescu: in fact, most sentires do not even realise they've been shot at if you miss before you reload.
mircea_popescu: for the obvious reason. bette than a knife
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or these well-known items, http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-r.html
asciilifeform: my mental image was inevitably a hog-tied fella, extracting a little pistol from his arse houdini-style, to end it all and avoid the torture chambers.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do they not say "gunmanorwoman" ?
mircea_popescu: introducing the gossipd style of comms changes nothing at all, merely makes this divide palpable, like that famous japanese butcher's following of the lines already there.
asciilifeform: i walked right by, saw no more than the usual amount of stormtroopers.
mircea_popescu: the problem with ascii being like naughty bits is merely a reflection of the much larger problem : everything about a text is like that. by itself.
mircea_popescu: tyvm. meanwhile, i can't fucking remember where the tread on X is. so what do i do ? i ask here. and someone remembers and links.
asciilifeform: but only the pretty pictures, perverted to taste
asciilifeform: sorta like the monks who copied geometric tracts without any comprehension at all, or any regard for the actual content
asciilifeform: the 'digital vellum' think is maddening precisely because of the idiot scholasticism implied
mircea_popescu: it may be that they wanted to forget for the reason you suspect, but i do not think so.
mircea_popescu: however they may try.
mircea_popescu: well, so there you have it.
mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that preconceived notions must be shared, for the text to be readable. these preconceptions melted.
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest.
asciilifeform: if what mircea_popescu is alluding to is that the design of usenet allowed for the possibility of 'parallel universes' where folks carry on a conversation that never reached my server - then yes.
asciilifeform: google's snapshot was 99+%, for them.
asciilifeform: the thing stopped being searchable roughly two years ago.
mircea_popescu: the perceptible part was not.
asciilifeform: and the process was -not- continuous, as in lenin's case.
mircea_popescu: it is a property of the ice.
mircea_popescu: this is true of the lenin mausoleum as well.
asciilifeform: there were no flies before.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, there was a pretty useful and fairly complete snapshot in the ice. and now i look in the cryostat and find rotting gibblets and alive with flies.
mircea_popescu: otherwise...
mircea_popescu: much like any living organism, the text can only be interpreted in its environment (here - the people who wrote it), and only as a functional, living thing.
mircea_popescu: the usenet : you can not "preserve in ice". this requires two naive presupositions : one that the text is self contained, the other that the text is fixed. neither is true.
asciilifeform: so it was time to desaparecer the spew.
mircea_popescu: the guy's draft : nothing has been construted. let him draw.
assbot: Bitcoin Lacks the Properties of a Real Currency | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV7kDG )
whaack: to end the discussion of mit O, "MIT Technology Review" http://www.technologyreview.com/view/524666/bitcoin-lacks-the-properties-of-a-real-currency/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: salvageable in the preserve-in-ice sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hybrid of oxcart and airplane, where we progressively remove pieces of the ox yoke - uninteresting to me.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other.
asciilifeform: insulting to the intelligence of anyone who watched google usenet archive decay
mircea_popescu: and on that ground that there was, nyt could not compete.
asciilifeform: al schwartz observed the signs in '94 up
asciilifeform: the seeds of all of it were not only in the ground, but long sprouted and budding leaves.
mircea_popescu: and that was 2001. long, long before the greenwaldization, long long before the pr-intern and dumb-blonde-chick-from-minessota that eventually yielded its own bastardized meta-story eventually apotheosized in that horseface dumbass...
asciilifeform was last there in '01, shortly pre-bigboom, and it was in business
mircea_popescu: either a decade ago or a decade hence, but yeah.
asciilifeform: is the last yidish newspaper in brooklyn out of print yet?
mircea_popescu: then the nazis wiped them, modern jewry is in this situation where someone cut the flower, kept the stalk in a vase.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the jewish situation... oh gawd. at the time of the holocaust, the hasidim were arguably the most advanced troop in the world. certainly > 90% of jewry by cultural and intellectual weight, if 50% or so by mass. for all the squalor of the old manhattan, which is what eastern europe was, the place rocked.
asciilifeform: i would observe that everyone presently in good favour of usg by virtue of their 'passport data' - skin, gonads, etc. - runs the risk of ending up weimar-jewed
mircea_popescu: the children problem. ten lines up.
asciilifeform thinks it will be a hilarious cosmic joke if the sharashka he is worked to death in happens to be built at mit.
mircea_popescu: similarly, but in the other direction, abject slaves that nevertheless unwholesomely despise their superior masters remain abject irrespective of time spent in slavery thereof.
asciilifeform can only with great difficulty picture anyone 'forced' to partake of mit, but allows for the sake of argument.
mircea_popescu: which is why despising mit as a group is so important : people who despise their inept professors may survive them even when forced by events to work there.
asciilifeform: i, for instance, happen to believe that soviet mathematics will not be equalled for the next 500 years.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, romania at the time had a very specific atmosphere, one that protected such people in such situaitons like al oxides protect the al.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:31:41; asciilifeform: what kind of respect does either 'top student' deserve ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097931 << one of the brightest minds in an XX body i ever met had finished her thesis under romania's most inept "logician", cca 1988. the woman was not significantly harmed by a half decade's internship with that bootmaker in disguise.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 11:58:20; mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:29:20; asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard.
mircea_popescu: <williamdunne> Is the source for the WoT available? << if you mean, how to interact with assbot ? it's in wiki.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo? << the initial nodes must be us.
assbot: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca77d8 )
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion?
asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator.
asciilifeform: they are not, as someone might suppose, dead weight;
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase. mircea_popescu: and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" << a large part of the purpose of current mit is to produce the folks who will produce these patches.
asciilifeform: if the code is not plagiarized wholesale, this puts her above 99% of'em.
asciilifeform: decimation: no shortage of these
asciilifeform: but enough of salt mines. i mention it because it was my first wake-up call that something happened to the mythical 'mecca' which i respected for 'having produced lisp machine and sicp'
asciilifeform: as you may know, i live nowhere near mit. there were two offices. one, in cambridge, contained these masturbators, where they played with (largely nonfunctional) robots all day. whereas ours did the - predominantly deadly boring - work which actually paid the bills.
ben_vulpes: i studied with many of the like. getting them to think outside of the box was not worth the time as there was no prerequisite dicksucking going along with it.
asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine
asciilifeform: though both edifices were rotten quite thoroughly to the core long prior.
asciilifeform: just as the fall of rome is pinned to the particular overthrow where it is traditionally pinned
whaack: what -does- concentrate at mit, and this was a pervasive-enough problem even in the golden days, as attested to by old hands - is concentration of braggarts and showmen << my point is the showmen are simply the loudest
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is merely the top concern among such meat processing plants, just as mcdonalds is a leader but sole player in the recycled-food field.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'.
decimation: "What worries me is that some of these findings that are found with the big data and the data miners, that people look at the findings and then only after the finding, they concoct a story or a theory, develop ex post some intuition, as to why this should work. And I think that's dangerous. I prefer to work on the basis of first principles: what is reasonable."
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc they recently abandoned the very concept of 'p-value' in its entirety.
decimation: "So the sort of papers that are published in psychology, over 92% of them are, 'Oh, here's a hypothesis; I did an experiment; and I get support.' So that is a problem. Because it leads to people essentially data mining to find a result to find a result and then getting it published. "
asciilifeform: what -does- concentrate at mit, and this was a pervasive-enough problem even in the golden days, as attested to by old hands - is concentration of braggarts and showmen
mats: i didn't expect it, i sought them out
asciilifeform: mats: what i know is that i encountered the single largest number of talented folks with skills in weaponizing exploits at MIT << i find it peculiar that anyone would expect to encounter any concentration of such folks in the flesh, for the most part anywhere
decimation: “The second lesson incorporated from the PAIs was that Soldiers in OEF and OIF reported that their hand-to-hand combat encounters revolved around a contest over the Soldier’s weapon (e.g., rifle). It appears that a Soldier’s opponent regularly attempted to wrest control of the Soldier’s weapon during hand-to-hand combat encounters.”
mats: of course. USG spent the last decade in iraq fighting in hovels.
decimation: "216 out of 1,226 Soldiers (19.0%) reported using hand-to-hand combat skills in at least one encounter. The Soldiers’ descriptions indicated that hand-to-hand combat occurred in a variety of tactical situations "
whaack: to anyone who does not immediately apprehend the reason for my position, i invite a look into the 'mit press' catalogues for the last decade or so. << as was expressed in my conversation with mp, mit's press facade is different than its internals. Much like bitcoin
mats: yes, thats why i mentioned it. as a word of caution about respecting the enemy.
asciilifeform: when i say 'meta-nsa' - again it does not meant that every bipedal amoebal 'success organism' drawing pay there is a brilliant master
asciilifeform: (palantir holds the title for best nameable candidate for meta-nsa. in that they are known to produce the tools which actually work, and - not being part of civil service hierarchy - are free to actually pay programmers something like real money)
mats: its not linked, but i did find it by querying the fragment http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/03/24/international-lisp-conference-day-two
asciilifeform: mats: i know more than a few grads that have gone on to accept offers with outfits like Palantir. << i imagine you know what takes place there.
asciilifeform: not just at university level, either.
asciilifeform: mats: linked shortly below in one of the linked log threads
mats: 22:22:28 <+asciilifeform> ^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe. << link?