williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: Ah I take it back then
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: "i tried and therefore no-one can criticize me" 10/10.
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mircea_popescu: uh. well... there's that video... what was it
williamdunne: Thats supposedly the cost of running a bank pre-launch of your product
williamdunne: Pretty much. What do you think of ItBit trying to become a bank? To me it looks like they failed to create an exchange people want to use and now they're trying to diversify
trinque: the market needs more bitcoin businesses worth a shit
ben_vulpes: bitmex is offering their own margin
williamdunne: Although I intend to dominate them
williamdunne: I trust a few of the spot markets though
williamdunne: Aha yeah, not touching them.
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: i'd ask if you've put any money down on 'em, but i think i already know the answer to that
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Whom I choose to trust, and who others choose to trust are very different things, in fairness
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: moreover, if you'd not trust a bitcent on them, they're not really 'actual'. finance runs on trust. no trust, not finance.
williamdunne: Well if you believe the numbers, the volume is pretty huge. I believe it probably is still pretty big but wouldn't trust a bitcent on them (unlike MPOE of course)
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: like a) how would we know if volume is what they say it is (who the fuck is operating them anyways), and b) is it oom comparable to mpoe?
williamdunne: there's bitcoin derivatives
mircea_popescu: there's even a bitcoin girl.
ben_vulpes: there's a bitcoin stock
ben_vulpes: there's a bitcoin literature
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes shut up hater! there'sd even a bitcoin literature!
scoopbot_revived: News! Well welcomed, the warrior URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/25_well-welcomed-the-warrior.html
ben_vulpes: man, there *is* no bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: sadly, for all the derpage re "bitcoin finance bla bla"
mircea_popescu: there's no one else.
williamdunne: I guess that depends on how we wanted to do it and the full scope - could be a big or small job. What would be the end goal? Listing on MPEX and running it continuously or building the site and palming it off to someone else
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Its definitely an interesting job, and if its a paying job I have the time. So yes
trinque: if nobody's done it in a couple years, I'd love to take on a hosting biz on other shores
mircea_popescu: williamdunne so in the light of a new day, does the bsdm social media thing actualy look worth doing to you ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: all there is left to do now is grep for secrets :P
Naphex: mircea_popescu: well if they do the breakout they'll surely rootkit the hypervisor kernel as well. so doubt they'll ever find out :P
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's a feature for their biggest customer
mircea_popescu: and of thoise, how many they ever found out about.
Naphex: trinque: i guess, as i see they use xen. imho letting xen guests define the kernel is a sure way of suffering when they manage to break out of the hypervisor :P
mircea_popescu: and diversified enough that the arabs can-t quite outright kill him. (tho they're trying). i tell you this is a fun thing toi watch, for me.
mircea_popescu: the guy is taking massive levels of risk. one of teh few contemporary capitalists actually earning hteir keep.
trinque: Naphex: instructions there use your own kernel
ben_vulpes: there we go.
ben_vulpes: and he's deeply bezzlefied, so he can probably convince tptb to let him self insure the bombs too!
Naphex: trinque: does amazon load the kernel or just skips it?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: musk's got a good handle on the battery safety thing. d'you recall the trumpeting over how his cell design nukes cascading failures when the Boeing batteries caught on fire midair?
Naphex: mod6: if you need the other syslogs like wtmp,btmp,lastlog you'll probably have to hardlink them in log. But that should be it
mircea_popescu: mod6 Naphex prolly has a point in that if you actually switch out the kernel on an aws... well they basically lost it. how's their hypervisors etc to work
mod6: this is good news, because I still want to attach the 350gb drive that I used for chain storage (i've got at least 6+ fully syncd) to the instance.
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, but theior pre-rolled thing ?
Naphex: get the latest stage, unpack it and chroot it
mod6: Thanks for the tip.
mod6: ok, so setup a chroot environment, and run everything in the chroot?
Naphex: mod6: i never used AWS. But i doubt you could switch the kernel. but the chroot should solve your issues
mod6: I'm probably just dumb. How can I setup an instance with a clean stage3. All I see that are available are AMI's. And I'm worried that they've got things/tools pre-installed that I don't want to have in there. This instance will be a build/testing server for R.I. development.
Naphex: mod6: why not just kill most of the stuff running on the AMI and do a chroot and set that up
Naphex: mod6: i roll my own gentoo's. what's the problem with amazon?
mod6: Is it at all possibru to set up the instance with a Gentoo AMI, and then use it as a shim to somehow re-load with a clean stage3?
mod6: So, before I go off in another direction, I guess I should ask if anyone knows how to get a gentoo stage3 running on an AWS instance. Previously, when testing v0.5.3.1-RELEASE on an AWS instance I used a pre-build/configured AMI that are available; which leads me to believe why I probably got some slightly different results from others who had used a roll-your-own gentoo with stage3.
mircea_popescu: not to even consider the fact that once this commodifies, the night discount goes away
mircea_popescu: the price differential won't likely even cover cost of insurance for that bomb, let alone its capital amortisation
mircea_popescu: "battery-based energy storage for residential and commercial customers. The batteries power up overnight when energy companies typically charge less for electricity, then are used during the day to power a home." << theres just no way this is cost effective.
williamdunne: Having to refactor half the bloody code
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Still working to get Atom support working, wasn't working with the small change
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 14:02:19; asciilifeform: the java stack per se - entirely ignoring the language (which is an instrument of torture) is a pernicious enough thing that i do not allow it on any metal under my control which matters
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110187 << you know how the literary criticism goes, "don't tell, show". you've not really shown.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/stop-all-the-clocks.ogg (no pingbacks i take it ? )
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 14:00:57; Naphex: luckaly the lisp chef will have his shit serverd and all wrapped in paranthesis :)
mircea_popescu: so re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110296 << the difference in numbers is due to the fact varnish ran on teh system since nov 2014. totally murdered hits and bw.
mircea_popescu: see the earliest references
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So what are these Pogos? I had a look for them but I found some cloud backup company who didn't even advertise a pogo plug as far as I could see
mircea_popescu: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4271 << other people playing with their pogos.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah, without the dubbas
williamdunne: Firefox can't find the server at www.cascadianhacker.com.
williamdunne: Yeah the LMAX architecture is awesome. Matt introduced me to Java through it
mircea_popescu: how goes the cool aid ?
BingoBoingo: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/04/25/112224/tesla-to-announce-battery-based-energy-storage-for-homes << lol "three-feet high by 2.5-feet wide, and need to be installed at least a foot and a half off the ground"
williamdunne: The way I was planning it was that the core is just a simple limit/market job, and then the handlers do all of the things like checking balances before passing anything to the book itself
Naphex: williamdunne: how will the order handler know who to serve and which order to execute?
williamdunne: Naphex: Currently they just have side quantity and price
williamdunne: Leave the core to just push numbers around
williamdunne: Naphex: Assuming the order handlers are aware of the orders that should be in the book they can work out who placed what when and who is owed what
Naphex: williamdunne: how will the order handlers do that?
williamdunne: Naphex: Would another solution not be to just append it to duplicate data? i.e if I have another order come in at $150 just add it to the quantity
Naphex: the map will always be sorted
williamdunne: Wait, surely TreeMap is the most ideal as it guarantees that the orders are actually.. in order?
Naphex: don't trash the mem :P
williamdunne: I was just starting to experiment with it tbh, I literally just took out my treemap and put in the chronicle map
Naphex: williamdunne: do you do your own locking or use the locking from that Map library?
williamdunne: Naphex: I'll have a dig. I'm currently trying to find an efficient way to send messages between some order parsers and the matching engine itself
Naphex: 13:59 <+Naphex> williamdunne: seems like a lot of needless complexity, just use a map with random access(if you need it) and the new stream api's. should be enough performance increase. pre-alloc the memory for the map first if arraycopy is bringing the performance down.
williamdunne: Theres a couple of different versions, no?
asciilifeform: Naphex: there is no programming language called 'lisp', and there hasn't been since 1964 or so
asciilifeform: the java stack per se - entirely ignoring the language (which is an instrument of torture) is a pernicious enough thing that i do not allow it on any metal under my control which matters
williamdunne: There we are, revived
asciilifeform: williamdunne: when you eat a mighty fine dinner at your favourite restaurant, you still know that the chef often takes a shit. but it matters that he does it in the shitter and not in the kitchen
williamdunne: asciilifeform: You'd probably be more disgusted if you knew all of the langs I enjoy using
Naphex: williamdunne: seems like a lot of needless complexity, just use a map with random access(if you need it) and the new stream api's. should be enough performance increase. pre-alloc the memory for the map first if arraycopy is bringing the performance down.
williamdunne: I would like to be used by MPEX for options settlement too - I believe we could offer the reliability that was missing when MP last offered them
williamdunne: Can't imagine that I have enough rep to do that yet, but its something I would be open to in the future
williamdunne: Just the company
williamdunne: Trying to use some custom Map library that claims to be the Fastest, Greatest, Most flexible. It reduced by speed by 16 times.
williamdunne: Its on a computer that hasn't touched the internet in a while so not worth the effort of moving it
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Still have the key, just changed my name format
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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decimation: danielpbarron: do you mean the latest 0.5.3.1 build?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: although american airlines tend to have among the more competent pilots
asciilifeform: not, evidently, the worst.
decimation: actually I've found us air carriers are the worst
decimation: asciilifeform: you didn't take one of the luxurious american airlines?
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quujBgm2y6I rather amusing this is pretty much par at the qntra office
mircea_popescu: !rate ben_vulpes -1 said naked and famous, there's no naked and not famous. ponzi!
assbot: The Cremation of Sam McGee. - 8 minute short 35mm film - - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DlKHkZ )
asciilifeform did not know they had airline
asciilifeform: 'There are strange things done in the midnight sun / By the men who moil for gold; / The Arctic trails have their secret tales / That would make your blood run cold; ...'
Pierre_Rochard: primal scream therapy
blacktower: having trouble with nickserv right now, perf thanks for the urls. ill get that going
mircea_popescu: you're not part of the community yet.
blacktower: hello hello! just learning all of this, won't derp it up. glad to be a part of the community!
mircea_popescu: linked for "Slimy folks like Busta Troll are hijacking Facebook pages of conservatives, replacing the content with goats and anti-conservative messages. Some believe a goat is used because it is a Satanic symbol; many of the conservatives are targeted because of their Christian or Jewish views."
mircea_popescu: i do have some acct manager ppl who are technically bank clerks that i contact via pgp, which is a greast improvemnent over phone and i have nfi how they get into the systems
asciilifeform: (their local version of nsa is so impoverished that '80s-grade castrato keys must be used. the only way to achieve this is custom winblows code, rather than microshit's normal crypto api even. hence activex/exploder mandate.)
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard places that are serious about online banking mandate use of ie 10! and they get their sexurity as activex implants!
asciilifeform: of course, when the browser is pwned (and all modern graphical browsers are good for one or two public total-demolition pwnholes every quarter or so) the keys are out.
mircea_popescu: just have it use your own file for js instead of the one linked by server.
asciilifeform: though this may be for the same reason why no public toilet includes knives and forks
asciilifeform: rather than an identical but key-returning one
asciilifeform: the ssl key was the only way for the schmucks/users to know that they are connecting to levison's box and getting the js they thought they were getting
mircea_popescu: seems kinda contorted, the ssl key is used to "secure" pgp'd info ?
asciilifeform: this, incidentally, is the core reason why in-browser crypto is intrinsically harmful
asciilifeform: well yeah, the ssl cert
mircea_popescu: "I only have the keys that govern communications into and out of the network, and those keys are used to secure the traffic for all users, not just the user in question."
assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIkkGF )
asciilifeform reviews the shitpile
mircea_popescu: but the defense claimed that if they give out that key they will expose all past traffic.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was precisely because they did not have anything else suitable for owning the userbase
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/24/us-usa-election-fec-idUSKBN0NF1V420150424 << fire sale, get 'em while they last!
Pierre_Rochard: it covers everything outside the overton window, with a good dose of humor and absurdity to boot
assbot: A proper social site for the BDSM community on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIjEAT )
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/#comment-113887 << as far as i can tell, the thing being proposed is virtually exactly lavabit...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought it's where all the privileged white maletriarchs go to be horrible and chauvinistic and encourage rape and stuff ? << nah, that's at 18446744073709551616chan.
mircea_popescu: i thought it's where all the privileged white maletriarchs go to be horrible and chauvinistic and encourage rape and stuff ?
BingoBoingo: 8chan is where the 4chan refugees went when moot went derpitty herp herp
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nope, 8chan is the 4chan replacement seeing moot got cucked
mircea_popescu: isn't 8chan the bad one ?
Adlai would be quite curious to see the mining cartel attempt to corner down a less-than-1mb blocksize, primarily because it would be Actually Good News™
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the top u.s. player, for many years, was a hot chick
asciilifeform now understands why mircea_popescu did not offer any of the c3 guests a game of go. 'no homo' (TM)
asciilifeform: my brother, for instance, spends much of his waking time doing this.
asciilifeform: the games are interesting (to an aficionado) to read.
asciilifeform: it is actually one of those things, like ballet, where the best minds are the one prepubertally-deformed
mircea_popescu: they made me play with a very prepubescent 11 yo girl.
mircea_popescu: and now we understand why davout plays the cello.
asciilifeform: me: 'which chess piece feels best?' woman: 'the board'
asciilifeform did not really play anything like this since early boyhood, was a semiserious chess-head for some years, then turned into very mediocre go/weichi/baduk (surprised how many folks are unable to identify it given only one of jp/cn/kr names) player
mircea_popescu: anyway, apparently it was printed as early as the 20s
asciilifeform: pretty sure we had this. and that john nash invented it in the '50s
mircea_popescu: the last time i played a board game i was 8, and it was "nu te supara frate". alf, did you have this ? you must've.
jonvaage: Anyone ever play the board game Diplomacy?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe next conf YOU stay home, send her over then she can do all the whores.
mircea_popescu: well on the plus side it prolly helps your immunity
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: key churning started yet ? i kinda wanna peek << not yet. caught something on the plane, spent most of the time since coming home, in bed, in a kind of delirium.
BingoBoingo: They have idea after all
williamdunne: How heroic of them
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what the 502 guy called himself
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: The reddit police tried to impound this place with a Denial of Service bot, hard to tell if they will be back
mircea_popescu: C. "Ive got a habit of fucking my bosses too. Theyre in a position of power over me, and for at least part of the day theyre my owners, so they should be able to reap the benefits of that."
mircea_popescu: B. "I have had sex with almost every boss Ive ever had. I found myself doing things to please them that I would never do for my husband."
mircea_popescu: A. "In some ways, one could argue that our boss fills some roles of the man we are in a relationship with. He supports us financially, ensures we have a safe place to live, and has to accommodate our emotional instability in the work place. Is it really all that unfair of him to expect to enjoy some of the perks of being in a relationship with us, if he so chooses?"
williamdunne: 20:50:53 - mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109367 << you actually getting any packet spam or is that thing history by now ? << I've not experienced any either way
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109733 << depends. if banker goes and gets himself lost in desert, the probate court will settle claims against him. so refunds of a sort.
mircea_popescu: that they don't has everything to do with the fact that swift consts nothing (and provides nothing). bitcoin costs something, and it provides something for that cost. in spades.
mircea_popescu: there's only ~100 of them even needing it daily, and they could just do hourly settlements among each other and be fine.
mircea_popescu: if the banks had to make swift work with 500 txn/day, they would, and nobody would ever know.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:04:56; williamdunne: Where fees are the norm
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109697 <<< seems to me most of the people discussing swift in bitcoin have very little experience or understanding of financial networks.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:59; ben_vulpes: williamdunne: the people i want using bitcoin take one look at the source and run screaming, as they should
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:14; *: danielpbarron strongly suspects that the greatest impediment to growth is cleaning up the code
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109683 << that, tied for preminence with "cleaning out the idiots". and i don't as much mean the random derps in the forum going about their usual derpage, as i mean people like the scam foundation, and the power rangers, and so on.
davout: iirc someone managed to build the reference implementation on OSX amirite?
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:12; davout: Adlai: the bitlicense is to bitcoin what US raw milk regulations are to roquefort, not fucking worth the mention
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109682 << speaking of ... lactic cultures, dja know the urbanization of usians is the main force in the bidet market these days ?
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:57:06; williamdunne: But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth
mircea_popescu: but, very simply put : the hand of the market is the hand bitchslapping you. the market is not your mother.
mircea_popescu: i believe the education adlai lacks is the failure of "cornering the X market" historically.
trinque: I believe the term Adlai is looking for is cartel
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:54:24; assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces
Pierre_Rochard: only need a swat team to raid a btc<->fiat exchange, they have a few
mircea_popescu: o yeah ? how many tank divisions does the city of new york have ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109656 << once the commissioner duly asks for and receives his commision here, i'm all for it too.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:49:21; Pierre_Rochard: I think it’s an issue today if we take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue, that has an immediate effect on the expected return of mining over the long run. Not sure that it would move the needle on today’s asic capex
mircea_popescu: so wait, they seriously expect a claim in the trademarks of everyone selling through them ?!
chetty: so it would seem not sure what 'providing us with content means', just selling thing via them?
trinque: where do they have a place to post content?
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assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:40:54; Adlai: hashrate dropping too low -> need to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing tx fee competition
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109638 << or the year is 2800 and the blockchain's too heavy. or or or.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109636 << well obvously we'd be also discovering how to know on the same ticket.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109582 << problem is the ascii involved. everyone plays with the bits. usually material is singed pre-emailing, whiuch then wordwrap(80)s
mircea_popescu: but srsly : should prolly talk to the doctor. iirc this is an early sympthom.
davout: i keep feeling like "hey, i should take my contacts off, they're getting dry", except there are none to take out
mircea_popescu: don't they give you a special dropper ?
mircea_popescu: i thought you had to drip-refill them every hour.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:21:58; asciilifeform: !rate kakobrekla 4 expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky.
trinque: davout | trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-) << can be quite enjoyable as long as one's not personally attached to the outcome
mircea_popescu: o look, nubbins` survived the oven monster!
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:47:53; pete_dushenski: williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just that the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109474 << you know the mathematical criteria for a set to include its average is not "even distribution"
trinque: maybe we are talking past each other