ben_vulpes: what's the thesis on block reward?
ben_vulpes: Adlai: bitcoin days destroyed is a good correlation to check too
ben_vulpes: nope nm
ben_vulpes: huh i think mine's wedged elsewhere
ben_vulpes: they are paying, the bill just isn't due yet.
ben_vulpes: dozen?
ben_vulpes: yet somehow programmers are supposed to be a dime a doze?
ben_vulpes: guess this means is hould sell, eh
ben_vulpes: for the first time ever my mpoe holdings are underwater
ben_vulpes: mpoe is a goddamn mystery to me, Adlai.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: if anything, i'd have expected a surge as those who held mpoe bought more to balance their crypto holdings while accumulating more btc
ben_vulpes: i suspect mpoe acts as a stand in for an mpex market fund
ben_vulpes: could just be momentum and a long dry spell on mpex
ben_vulpes: many legs to the trade
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu will bang on about that at will
ben_vulpes: there is this sneaky theory that btc price is driven by mpoe holders
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: wasn't the last major mpoe action a big rally during the big btc rally?
ben_vulpes: !l mpex s.mpoe
ben_vulpes: !l s.mpoe
ben_vulpes: !t l s.mpoe
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is the coin that changed the world but that doesn't mean the first try doesn't sink in heavy storms
ben_vulpes: well its a crappy coracle dammit
ben_vulpes: coracle perhaps even
ben_vulpes: leather over wood prehistoric thinger?
ben_vulpes: currach is the word i was looking for
ben_vulpes: no desire to tax the poor leaky boat
ben_vulpes: hardly groundbreaking. just tiptoeing around, because...enthusiasm kills the sapper.
ben_vulpes: this abomination is what's edging my copy of 0.5.3 up to the wedge point: http://pastebin.com/itWYUk9f
ben_vulpes: stuff i've written so far: http://pastebin.com/Zf4T9xF7
ben_vulpes: i don't have a blockchain that wedges yet, nor have i reproduced the wedging point
ben_vulpes: Adlai: just in skeleton form atm
ben_vulpes: Adlai: additionally, i'm scripting the approach to the wedge point so that i can reproduce both the wedge and it not happening trivially with git bisect and other scripts
ben_vulpes: the story behind its selection is pretty amusing and may need to be revisited.
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 is just a not unreasonable starting point for the project.
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 and earlier have wallets, and all the concomittant braindamage like "reindex"
ben_vulpes: reverifying the blockchain is something else entirely.
ben_vulpes: required for "importprivkey" etc
ben_vulpes: joecool: "reindexing" is something that gavin's fork does to find all of the transactions relevant to addresses in your wallet in a given blockchain.
ben_vulpes: my plan, more accurately.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: git bisect is actually the plan
ben_vulpes: that i can use to track down potentially unwedging commits i should say.
ben_vulpes: er
ben_vulpes: i'm working to crap out a "blockchain" that i can use to test this wedge
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'm still inching my blockchain to wedging
ben_vulpes: but if you're going to hack on it, start with the 0.5.3 dist at f9beb4d9.org, apply asciilifeform's "chicken" patch, and then yours on top of that.
ben_vulpes: lol don't really know if it even works yet
ben_vulpes: ml for patches
ben_vulpes: (albeit poorly at any of them individually)
ben_vulpes: the preference of "the community" for something that sorta-works across a broad spectrum of use cases
ben_vulpes: kinda why the open source ownership of satoshi's codebase failed so dramatically.
ben_vulpes: "the people" want everything they're told they want and to pay for nothing.
ben_vulpes: is management of a single address not enough for you?
ben_vulpes: joecool: what's a wallet?
ben_vulpes: best argument i've heard.
ben_vulpes: why so much more confident in the satoshi turd than the conformal blackbox?
ben_vulpes: fear
ben_vulpes: inertia
ben_vulpes: actually probably less cuz drones, n'est?
ben_vulpes: more shellshock in the populace
ben_vulpes: double down
ben_vulpes: yes
ben_vulpes: so does the patchpusher work or not?
ben_vulpes: (again)?
ben_vulpes: hah you guys got nubbins` programming?
ben_vulpes: heyo jurov mailthing still ongoing saga?
ben_vulpes: wow did you assholes poop out 1600 lines today?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain? << consider the gadget a piece of art. as always, the miners determine everything.
ben_vulpes: clearly wagering on usg winning this round
ben_vulpes: market hates you mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: holy shit mpoe clearing at 56k
ben_vulpes: mm gratzi asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell JorgePasada see above
ben_vulpes: *** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has changed mode for #bitcoin-assets to +v JorgePasada << where's my node, bitch
ben_vulpes: well on 'amazon "book" services'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: damn did you hoover up the only copy?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Bn88rOZ << ahaha i remember fucking with solenoids
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: are you still running it in a screen session or whatever?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i'm not trying to make you cry, but mebbe offer suggestions how to keep the thing up
ben_vulpes: PeterL: do you need a hand with stabilizing that thing?
ben_vulpes: what is scoopbot's actual uptime?
ben_vulpes: clever you, hanbot. it's cremant du jura though.
ben_vulpes: wrong channel, perdon
ben_vulpes: whoop
ben_vulpes: nah just polishing off a bottle of champagne in the office
ben_vulpes: rather bad form.
ben_vulpes: dang lookit her go
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this
ben_vulpes: ha
ben_vulpes: as in mash tun?
ben_vulpes: uno
ben_vulpes: "tu tonel pesa un tonel"?
ben_vulpes: more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh
ben_vulpes: blue dollar's been dropping?
ben_vulpes: dafuq is trailer park boys
ben_vulpes: o.O
ben_vulpes: new meaning to "spamgun"
ben_vulpes: reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi
ben_vulpes: i weary of this paleo proselytism
ben_vulpes: *in
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'd never suggest sharing a blockchain for use anger!
ben_vulpes gasps
ben_vulpes: interest, value...
ben_vulpes: is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: congratulate the author
ben_vulpes: provided i'm not doing something retarded like also updating packages
ben_vulpes: would the libraries not be held constant between bisections?
ben_vulpes: what would be considered "external"?
ben_vulpes: there is much contrast in the implications of these statements.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> not directly a cause of the wedge though
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> how could i know.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: were i to use a chain slightly downstream of the wedging to start the process, would that be less unlikely to work?
ben_vulpes: well then shit i should copy this datadir while its yet unwedged
ben_vulpes: ah ha
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: illuminate me
ben_vulpes: if i'm not being clear, i plan to clobber the data dir on each run.
ben_vulpes: one for copying into the dir, one for launching from.
ben_vulpes: 2x the size of the wedged blockchain
ben_vulpes: if yes, mark as good with git bisect and proceed with binary search, repeating the above process until the unwedging commit is discovered.
ben_vulpes: this script will take the wedged blockchain on disk; copy it into the testing dir; compile bitcoind from a different point in the source tree; and boot it pointed at the wedged blockchain; and check to see if the output of 'bitcoind getblockcount' has gone up
ben_vulpes: my plan at the moment is to wait for my 0.5.3 binary to wedge itself, and then write a script that hooks into the git 'bisect' tool.
ben_vulpes: on an entirely different topic, i'd like to derp in public about bisection in hunt of the commits that unwedged 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: app store search results are sorted above my installed apps
ben_vulpes: things about ios 8 that drive me insane
ben_vulpes: stop drinking milk long enough and it will hurt the next time
ben_vulpes: upregulation and downregulation is a thing
ben_vulpes: shit hangs together like camo netting
ben_vulpes: "rice doesn't count!!!1"
ben_vulpes: temporary storage paid for with btc
ben_vulpes: rheostan
ben_vulpes: at the risk of point out the obvious if you can afford the bundling and transportation, you could have them in odessa
ben_vulpes: i've been a busy boy it's true
ben_vulpes: gpg --verify should spit out the author
ben_vulpes: not rm_rf_upnp you aren't
ben_vulpes: something (perhaps js?) strips the '/', '%'
ben_vulpes: i can't imagine that was set at any time.
ben_vulpes: i have no idea where /foo/ is even configured
ben_vulpes: new site only has /foo/
ben_vulpes: old site has /foo/bar as uneditable zone in permalink area on page
ben_vulpes: no slashes in slugs
ben_vulpes: the old one was http://domain/foo/bar/slug
ben_vulpes: it's got this http://domain/foo/slug
ben_vulpes: just using "Post name" option.
ben_vulpes: here's the wacky thing - it's the same on both the old site and the migrated copy.
ben_vulpes: what is the part of wordpress that determines what things are prepended to the slug?
ben_vulpes: bezzleland.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mines << gotta eat.
ben_vulpes: ;;ident bagels7
ben_vulpes: peoples use of computers makes me want to kill myself
ben_vulpes: merrily merrily merrily merrily
ben_vulpes: try not to fuck it up!
ben_vulpes: cruft cruft cruft it up
ben_vulpes: and we don't have access to the original boxen
ben_vulpes: and nobody knows the history of why this whoopie is this way
ben_vulpes: some posts urls*
ben_vulpes: because there are mysterious 'stage' strings prepended to some posts
ben_vulpes: i am making an http redirect
ben_vulpes: clients.
ben_vulpes trudges back into the wordpress mines
ben_vulpes: civilians, right.
ben_vulpes: i weary of guarding fools from themselves already
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "githug" yes, i understand the weaknesses, and it deserves a callout
ben_vulpes: it's the best modern america can do
ben_vulpes: ^^ for the third reich afficionados
ben_vulpes: i have just enough beer for 1 more nikki before i bounce
ben_vulpes: no no the nikki
ben_vulpes: (i can't resist - what is it?!)
ben_vulpes: Vexual: after all i've done for you...
ben_vulpes: stop abusing me!
ben_vulpes: owait misread the + for a -
ben_vulpes: he's not even noisy these days
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: that's abuse of your power
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: ;;ident bagels7
ben_vulpes: bagels you got 0 l2 what you tryna do uppin yourself like that?
ben_vulpes: !up bagels7
ben_vulpes: lol apropos
ben_vulpes: individuals nobody in l1's posrating, but that still get upped whenever they come by
ben_vulpes: might i note that while we have the lordship list Vexual and ninjashogun are some early "citizens" if i might be so bold
ben_vulpes: !s glue glass
ben_vulpes: but we'll bark a bit more on the mailing list and some qntra hound can round it up at whatever frequency they please.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you underestimate the depth of the glue and the sharpness of the glass
ben_vulpes: this just in, the universe is a stochastic bitch: of all qntra posts, their tweetmachine failed to deliver the declaration of independence to the social media shitstew.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins probably stupid, but could be stood up and walked away from
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins btc in, webservice out
ben_vulpes: its a tiny little thing for someone with too much time on their hands to grind on
ben_vulpes: the budget is half whatever it brings in over its lifetime
ben_vulpes: i say "make this thing"
ben_vulpes: well "with me"
ben_vulpes: hey any webdevs with spare cycles want to work on a btc app with me?
ben_vulpes: wait unleavened? what's the deal with the joostories then?
ben_vulpes: emmer?
ben_vulpes: nice nubbins`.
ben_vulpes: mmm nox
ben_vulpes: "i didn't actually read the source oh noes"
ben_vulpes: <saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece << you're like the guy who links to btc stealing malware
ben_vulpes: BUT IN YOU
ben_vulpes: it's like communism
ben_vulpes: lobbes: excess energy in the system develops parasites
ben_vulpes: made me feel funny
ben_vulpes: i did it for a while
ben_vulpes: you're welcome
ben_vulpes: !up lobbes
ben_vulpes: dude what is with the endless wordstream
ben_vulpes: s/crap/Zodiac
ben_vulpes: it puts a mess of holes about three feet below the water line of this "ancient diet" crap.
ben_vulpes: i have.
ben_vulpes: saifedean: have you ever read the 10,000 year explosion?
ben_vulpes: ;;seen diablo-d3
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell diablo-d3 you're missing a paleo love-in
ben_vulpes: automation's overrated
ben_vulpes: nah, just put hippies to work running the aquaponics
ben_vulpes: but what are the engineering arguments for an embedded kv store against which one cannot query well if at all vs. a embedded sql store?
ben_vulpes: have not derped with yet
ben_vulpes: interdasting tool
ben_vulpes: actually i'm noping the fuck out of this article.
ben_vulpes: "However, the real value of Bitcoin is not reaped at an individual level." << he's spot on, though - it's about raping at a collective level
ben_vulpes: remote emacs client straight up died.
ben_vulpes: well that was odd.
ben_vulpes: RetroUPriser: you may get a game out of BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: well pre 2015 bitcoin barely matters in the world at large
ben_vulpes: whaddaya mean "forever"?
ben_vulpes: bitcoin realized means more or less "profit"
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ << tiny brain blown
ben_vulpes: speak further on thy confusion, Vexual
ben_vulpes: every hash is sacred
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nsa.gif << top kek
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to estimate if the transfer time for my os x blockchain is worth the risk of it simply not working.
ben_vulpes: right, totally on the same page there.
ben_vulpes: basically i want to know if uploading my os x 8.6 blockchain to my debian testing machine is worth the time
ben_vulpes: *to find our conversation*
ben_vulpes: i'm digging through the logs of our conversation about copying blockchains around.
ben_vulpes: i've one sitting on this os x machine.
ben_vulpes: indeed.
ben_vulpes: does anyone have a node with high throughput to which they'd be willing to whitelist my connections
ben_vulpes: how dumb would it be to bisect the git source history to find the unwedging commit?
ben_vulpes: http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ << more entropy hardware, ARM micros included!
ben_vulpes: ;;ident saifedean
ben_vulpes: wow mpoe on sale!
ben_vulpes is wondering about the practicality of using 0.5.3 as a starting pin
ben_vulpes: good to know, thanks
ben_vulpes: subject of .9, has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 client? no bootstrapping, no shared db?
ben_vulpes: and i've not.