lobbes: !rate asciilifeform 1 http://nosuchlabs.com/, http://loper-os.org/, decrufter @ http://thebitcoin.foundation
mircea_popescu: this, of course, after the current glut is processed, which estimatively should take about a month o.O
mircea_popescu: mike_c it'll please you to know that a) we're going to be setting up daily batch processing of new keys, so people failing to find theirs should be rare ; b) making better 404 page, mostly to indicate this fact.
lobbes: noob question incoming: so my key is showing a GCD of '1 (Ok, for now!)' ; This means that my key only has 1 prime factor in common with another submitted key?
asciilifeform: things on the margins could well be some fella with a spamatron, yes.
mircea_popescu: only marginally interesting outside of the strong set.
asciilifeform: because the paucity of rsa moduli susprised even me
asciilifeform: at some point we gotta do stats re: whether folks are -even today- generating dsa-only keys, etc
mircea_popescu: ahh, watching the phuctor stats is so pleasant.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the problem is growing.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller except there is absolutely no need to eli5, because 5 yolds can not be involved in bitcoin.
asciilifeform: i suspect that the seed problem is growing palpably dire
thestringpuller: "Again, why don't all devs that against this blocksize change come together, and ELI5 to the rest of us what are the cons. ELI5 is important if you want the public to understand your points. So for now Gavin has me convinced the change is necessary. Please Please Please...." to which someone replies "Heaven help us if we ever encounter an issue that requires more than a five-year-old's intelligence."
mircea_popescu: if there is any certainty about "bitcoin future" at hte present time, it is that there will not be a block size increase in the next 12 months.
mircea_popescu: i am ever thankful to the idiots that do very idiotic things. like that vice article. like this tipping of hand.
mircea_popescu: within the next 12 months and which allows Bitcoin to keep growing."
mircea_popescu: "Firstly, no, the "Bitcoin ecosystem" is not well funded. Blockstream might
mircea_popescu: have bitcoin declared a "public service" or right or whatever by congress, get obamabitcoin and all that jazz. make the MIT shitheads, google etc all fat and giggly.
mircea_popescu: I disagree. When the money supply eventually dwindles I doubt it will be fee pressure that funds mining
mircea_popescu: > Long-term incentive compatibility requires that there be some fee
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i think you misread or misunderstood something. come again ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have the source for the pull request where hearn tried to merge in heartbleed?
asciilifeform: chinese internal policy ? << these are the folks who issued indictments in u.s. courts of chinese generals
mircea_popescu: who the FUCK asked mike hearn ANYTHING ?
asciilifeform: bbbut the ocean of meat!1111!!111
mircea_popescu: you can take that to the fed.
mircea_popescu: are these people fucktarded or something ?
mircea_popescu: and if people have to test things in negative three days, fuck people. handler said, gavin & mike do, that's how "standards committees" work in the us.
mircea_popescu: so apparently teh idiots actually have a schedule, handler said something like "this must be in by 2016 no matter what". so either they get it in "0.11" or "0.12" or else 0.13 or 15 or 29 will have to happen BEFORE that date.
mircea_popescu: private that this timeline meant a change to the block size was unlikely to
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output.
asciilifeform: in other news,
mircea_popescu: hey, williamdunne you there ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an astonishingly large number of those
mircea_popescu: shit asciilifeform they're not going to be so many that we don't reach 3.15 mn moduli are they!
jurov: ^ i suggest using these phrases to qntra editors
cazalla: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34091513/ hearn rings the alarm, we have not much time!
davout: why not simply have it reside on the SATA drive?
davout: danielpbarron: because other than the attached SATA the pogo has no other storage than the eeprom, right?
davout: oh and also there was something else, maybe asciilifeform can help with that, probably very noobish question, but i have nfi how to setup the pogo so that i'm able to put the compiled kernel on it without needing it to use tftp to load it on each boot
davout: danielpbarron: i think that what i'll do is slightly change the buildroot config to be able to "busybox mkfs"
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 09:53:33; davout: danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
asciilifeform: in other news, 222893
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu there are quite a few non-rsa keys. what were folks thinking, l0l
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: so it looks that it can either be enabled in a buildroot config option, gonna investigate this later
davout: danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
mircea_popescu: they're young. plenty of time yet.
cazalla: one on the left has a much better ass
mircea_popescu: Mem: 24420888k total, 24035956k used, 384932k free, 889012k buffers << what one likes to see. there's something so pleasant about a maxed box.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything.
chatquack: Where the funk is BingoBoingo? I blame him for this useless banter.
chatquack: but then again remote or local ll is done once it's run
chatquack: oh sitting on the cancer giver?
mircea_popescu: and no, ^c is not worth anything, because ll is well optimized, spends a minute thinking it through and then blasts you
chatquack: local ethernet?
mircea_popescu: now the server's dosing me
mircea_popescu: One key consequence of this is that the interpreter core in Python 3 is far more tolerant of paths that contain Unicode characters on Windows (so, for example, having a non-ASCII character in your username should no longer cause any problems with running Python scripts from your home directory on Windows).
decimation: you know the next step... anyone who doesn't buy into python 3 is a racsis...
mircea_popescu: seems bizarre seeing how the earlier stuff was predicated on "we want to make the language WE enjoy using". what, guido doesn't speak english ?!
trinque: guido built a language for "them"
mircea_popescu: you don't speak english, you don't get to use computers. back to the cave.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone even contemplate this.
mircea_popescu: " It should be at least possible for users to start learning the basics of Python without having to first learn English as a prerequisite (even if English remains a requirement for full participation in the global Python and open source ecosystems)." << this is pretty retarded.
decimation: apparently there are some folks who want to do exactly that
decimation: python 3 supports 'a better text model to support unicode' rather than 'posix with unicode bolted on'
mircea_popescu: decimation so for my own education (not following python much) is the 2/3 split primarily centered around unicode vs posix ?
decimation: I've got mixed feelings about this book, but it does talk about the decline in american managerial culture
decimation: outcome with unease. Until then, the company had always made the fuselage and wings for its planes; that is what Boeing was all about."
assbot: BOEING’S DREAMLINER AIRCRAFT IN TROUBLE, JUST AS WE PREDICTED ON PAGE 140 OF THE PURITAN GIFT! | The Puritan Gift ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReYIvH )
decimation: http://www.puritangift.com/en/blog/2013/01/14/boeings-dreamliner-aircraft-in-serious-trouble-just-as-we-predicted-on-page-7-of-the-puritan-gift/ < "In 2005 and 2006, a former Great Engine company, Boeing, sold 350 of its Dreamliner aircraft straight off the drawing board, with the intention of ‘out-sourcing’ the manufacture of 80 per cent of its structure and components to forty-three suppliers on three continents. We await the
decimation: although boeing is a famous 'ada' shop. but they probably outsource that shit too
mircea_popescu: which is why they lose planes.
mircea_popescu: of course by now they prolly do java everything and upgrade weekly.
decimation: same with aircraft, etc. nobody feels the need to 'upgrade' how a 777 works internally. you want new avionics? buy a new plane
decimation: note, this is exactly how any 'adult' program works: they were flying 80's era cpus in the space shuttle for the entire program because that was the baseline, and the software worked
mircea_popescu: for that matter, gnupg 1.4.x works just fine, and come to think about it the pogos are being raped with software that's a decade old.
decimation: well, if you can live on a hardware baseline, then you have the luxury of clamping down on software upgrade shit
mircea_popescu: note for instance that the various "emergency problem - update required" stuff is in NEW-ish versions. like, heartbleed ? ubuntu 10.04 was fine. 12.04 ? owned.
mircea_popescu: unless they make wetware cpus, stuff's good as is.
decimation: it goes back to what asciilifeform was complaining about re: drivers. You are gonna have to buy new hardware at some point, and then you are going to have to rev everything to support it
mircea_popescu: so why do i care what ubuntu does ? i got the 10.04 burned. it's mine. forgetaboutit!
mircea_popescu: this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp.
mircea_popescu: for instance : ubuntu sucks ass, especially the new versions, and the early ones. nevertheless, i use 10.04 as an easement / windows halfway house for all sorts of people.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it makes any difference, really. if one is using python (or anything else) correctly, they pick something, and stick with it.
decimation: yeah this is a good point. and it gives more ammunition to the idea that if one is using python, one should consider stepping away
mircea_popescu: decimation if they don't have the balls to step all over the "pep" and "rights" of the "core team" and do whatever they will, they probably don't have the strength to matter anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't get it. if the language was good, who cares about a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned to the ground at that. if the language sucked, then well... ?
decimation: maybe this stuff should be added to the various grounds for a google fiduciary lawsuit
mircea_popescu: decimation the quote was from some "python is killing python" post.
decimation: yes, the whole document reads as a retroactive justification for guido's missteps. "no no, you see it was a clever strategy to release python 3 in a way that made it seem that it sucked ass."
mircea_popescu: c) if people and companies invested time in shit that doesn't offer them a roi, this means they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean they should get some compensatory candy.
mircea_popescu: b) why exactly is the expected "developing" ? afaik, a language should be set in stone. if this is the view entertained, what "evolution" the fuck do they wish ? if this isn't the view contemplated, why are they not on 3 yet!
mircea_popescu: this reads very brokenly to my eye, for many reasons, such as : a) people who can't afford things get no voice. this is what "financial reasons" means : shut the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't a person.
decimation: You can't use the word Python! We have rights!
decimation: Python refers specifically to the language versions endorsed by the core development team) and convincing people to use it."
decimation: ah but the implicit threat: "What would it take to make you change your minds about the current plan? An important thing to understand for anyone hoping to convince the core development team to change direction in regards to Python 3 development and promotion is to know that mere words aren’t enough, it’s going to take action. That action is defined in PEP 404: creating a Python 2.8 release (under a different name, however, since
mircea_popescu: moreover, i don't get the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing the language, adding features in a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue to evolve and improve and bring value to the people and companies that invested so much time developing them. "
mircea_popescu: this is a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon.
decimation: I'll hand it to him, the guy is verbose
mircea_popescu: "With the long transition to Python 3 by default still in progress, the question is occasionally raised as to whether or not the core Python developers are acting as reasonable stewards of the Python language. "
decimation: sure, but at the pain of making himself look like a retard when he goes off and does something retarded in the name of his domain
mircea_popescu: decimation they lack the proper words to express themselves. what they mean is that it his private, sovereign domain, and he does whatever the fuck he likes, and anyone who doesn't care for it can go dangle.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking to sink a lifetime into this, is examining the failures (iirc there were a couple in there). see if any way to leverage this
decimation: http://python-notes.curiousefficiency.org/en/latest/python3/questions_and_answers.html < "Why wasn’t I consulted? Technically, even the core developers weren’t consulted: Python 3 happened because the creator of the language, Guido van Rossum, wanted it to happen, and Google paid for him to devote half of his working hours to leading the development effort."
ben_vulpes: "we had the file ent'd every 100kb" << which is to say you split the file on 100kb line and ent'd each?
mircea_popescu: a decent approach is to compare your dataset to other datasets, especially ones obtained through different means
assbot: Cardano : Xmas blown, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReWEDN )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements/#footnote_4_51698 << that one
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you read the report i published on this ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu and others interested in entropic information: what stats about generated entropy are useful? if i need to shoop my entropy over to gentoo i can, but if that's not necessary (for dieharder tests) i'd like to avoid it
mircea_popescu: "you want to talk about X, you fail to cite and address Y, you are thereby a kook, go away"
mircea_popescu: further in defense of the nuts : "Nick Coghlans document should really be a required citation for any article advancing a new course for Python, because nobody is going to take you seriously if you dont address" << this is very sensible.
mircea_popescu: "They want everything for nothing. They wouldnt go for five seconds without being paid. And theyll bitch about how much theyre paid, and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and a tin cup on the street? Fuck, no."
mircea_popescu: the point stil lremains tho. "stop trying to build your company out of our fucking hobby. hire some engineers, fucking cheapskates."
mircea_popescu: http://sealedabstract.com/things-im-working-on/ << reading through this list was an adventure. first (caffeine bit, autogenerated code subnode) i suspected the guy was simply reiserfs insane. by the time i got to zynga...
mircea_popescu: at that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider that you may be trusted to never, ever, anywhere, use a term of art improperly. this is why they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives, topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN.
mircea_popescu: to support work efficiency in science there are employed certain words and fixed structures, whose meanings are amply debated, definitivwely fixated and then every participant uses them exactly. creative usage creates confusion, and are in fact the main barrier between the pro and the amateur in any field.
mircea_popescu: nobody has time to read specialty text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not a novel, its science, you read ten thousand pages a year minimum.
mircea_popescu: the important bit for this convo being "nimeni nu are timp sa citeasca textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/ << here's me lambasting romanioan "linguists" (they don't actually exist, just a buncha pretenders filling a void). sadly in romanian
decimation: because to go over the list of all assumptions made before saying anything would prevent anyone from doing anything
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the massive savings of mental energy this relative approach offers is why we even have scientific paradigms in the first place
mircea_popescu: if the discussion revolves around a tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch, this is readily 3k items being discussed.
decimation: maybe he was only typing the letter 'a'
decimation: even the Victorians only had reaction times of around 100 ms
mircea_popescu: yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen to a two hour lab report, write down three lines and then reproduce it exactly.
decimation: but they are 'typing shorthad'
assbot: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsyvV3 )
assbot: Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsyvV1 )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron : found your guy. https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/#comment-95863 etc
decimation: I donno, he just told me that's what I should remember for the hot, power, + side
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:51:45; decimation: my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, judging by how using things made by other people is going, i guess bitcoin will be its own language before this dustball settles.
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:26:56; decimation: van Rossum and the other volunteer developers enjoy.” "
mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, wanna add bitbet reporting to the scoopbot_revived activity ?
decimation: for instance, with std_vector, try resizing a vector without initializing the elements
mircea_popescu: name's actually vaguely familiar, intel must have had him in something or the other.
decimation: wow vice is really at the cutting edge of responsible journalism
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i didn't run it, either.
mircea_popescu: it's like... they're so stupid and trying to hard they're just giving me free gains.
mircea_popescu: seriously, how inept do they need to be, these people. "unless everyone X currency will die" is ~exactly~ the wrong thing to say. everyone will not, currency will not die, now suddenly vice has [even more] egg on its face.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993 and probably the last tiem anyone actually compiled it was back when paris hilton was still a virgin
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 22:49:48; cazalla: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/unless-everyone-using-bitcoin-makes-this-radical-change-the-currency-will-die (block size limit rubbish)
mircea_popescu: seriously, ten bitcoins ? what did they do, make every woman in the office show me her tits ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123167 << the only lulzy thing here is just how broke cantor fitzgerald is these days.
mircea_popescu: the alternative would be to learn to live with fragmented sovereignity, which would require giving up pretty much everything the west has come to stand on.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123137 << the only response to independence, from the point of view of self-appointed "master of the universe", is "trying to bleed them out". obviously.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123122 << there's no such thing as "defensive". it simply means 'our weapons', as opposed to the enemy's (those are offensive).
mircea_popescu: it's an important point, perhaps where the chinese got the idea that they should center their force around rocketry.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123111 << is this where they covered the chinese in grad fired missiles ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag) << thanks asciilifeform!!
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:06:37; pete_dushenski: who other than vlasov's army helped germans ? and why were they spared ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123100 << really, vlasov mostly helped the czechs.
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu keys are batch-converting on dulap. after they're done, will be pumped in locally.
decimation: my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what did you think there was ?
asciilifeform: didja actually process the input ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the entropy analysis tool?
decimation: http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ < nope, they are still digging their hole. "However one argument that definitely does not work is “you should work on Python 2 because that would make my life as a commercial software developer easier”. The fact that Python 2 and commercial software developers had a symbiotic relationship at all was a happy coincidence, never a goal. The goal was “produce a language that Guido
asciilifeform: in other news, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26894024/subprocess-check-output-module-object-has-out-attribute-check-output << example of why python needs to die in a fire
asciilifeform: but ben_vulpes has one of the early samples.
ben_vulpes: and it's ground signal power when the thing is pointing up and the shield facing the user?
asciilifeform: (there is no protection)
asciilifeform: 3 is the rated.
asciilifeform: the latter
decimation: asciilifeform: re: valgrind < are you running valgrind on the poor little pogo or on an x86?
mircea_popescu: which pissed her off to the degree she ~wanted~ to declare war. except then she realise the mongols are about three times as strong as the chinese, so instead just wrote humble apology about being old and frail and bald,
mircea_popescu: incidentally, china during lu zhi is a very interesting case study. anyone recall the episode when the much more powerful mongols sent an emissary with practically that day's equivalent of PUA wisdom,
BingoBoingo: To be fair to forum muppet he united the shovel handle stock to a lower reciever made from the spade. At least FOR NOW the lower reciever is the purchase restricted part.
asciilifeform: (as in the 'rump kernel' example from last night)
asciilifeform: i am referring to the disease where the need for the remaining pieces is not perceived at all - or, if perceived, sufferer is content to crib from somewhere else while pretending he did not include them at all
asciilifeform: new jersey approach is when you do this and then craft the missing but necessary parts out of own shit
mircea_popescu: i thought it was the new jersey approach ?
asciilifeform: the shovel handle, kernel, etc. remind of the fable with the drunkard who searched for his lost keys 'where the light is'
trinque: is that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os then screams about lisp at everyone?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is this very characteristic and endemic derpsyndrome, where folks make the easiest part of a mechanism - whether it is the non-pressurized part of a rifle, or the non-drivery part of an os kernel - and stroke their cocks in self-congratulatory wankbacchanalia
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We talked about the idea, but I dunno if we got to instructions
BingoBoingo: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning! << Make your own lower reciever without crowdfunding , CNC, or 3D printing!!!
asciilifeform: (but, naturally, disagree on the recipe)
mircea_popescu: the oats the[ir heads] contain become inflamed and they start imagining they may do various stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: and it is, obviously, for their own good and safety.
mircea_popescu: a buncha countries the size of one.
mircea_popescu: it's just the reasonable agenda.
mircea_popescu: you will note there's nothing nato about it. we intend to do the same thing, to all nato, to china, to russia etc.
mircea_popescu: original soviet empire was historically the result of the race to asia they had with the uk, and it's certainly not above revisionism.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123101 << the russians wanna maintain form, they can also go back to original muscovy duchy or something :D
mircea_popescu: just keeping the ru style away, is enough for referendum win.
mircea_popescu: by which i mean, i dun think it needed much more than tv stations, ipads, the usual stuff.
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:02:32; ascii_field: when demented premier moves the map - ok. when usg moves the map (independence 'referendum') - also ok. when ru moves - somehow not.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123089 << eh, you're drastically underestimating the actual distaste for russia among european people. even the ukrs.
BingoBoingo: Would buy for the box though
asciilifeform: who the fuck buys this
mircea_popescu: governments routinely steal 20 years' worth of labour offa people, i don't recall the protests.
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 20:53:54; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/de-ce-coruptia-nu-va-putea-fi-niciodata-eliminata/ << any interest in translating this for the non-romanian-speakers like me ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123059 << some, yeah, but i dun has teh time these days ;/
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 20:51:28; trinque: is this the only political issue in the region, whether to be eaten by the EU or Russia?
mircea_popescu: keyserver.matts and matts show the same ; keys.matts and key.matts do not exist. he moved.
mircea_popescu: seems we're all seeing the same certs.
mike_c: those are the same cert, no?
asciilifeform: what's the sha256 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily, works on the boxes here
asciilifeform: mike_c: be so kind as to load https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current/ and describe the ssl cert you see
mike_c: mircea_popescu: ah, yes, I added a better page for not found users, but not on the trust page. will fix.
asciilifeform: try the url in browser 1st
asciilifeform: this still does not explain the 'keys' vs 'keyserver' thing
mircea_popescu: The version of OpenSSL on RHEL6 (and its derivatives) supports TLS all the way up to TLSv1.2. It also does SSLv3, but it wants to negotiate TLS."
mircea_popescu: basically, "The version of OpenSSL on RHEL5 (and its derivatives) doesn't advertise support for TLS at all. It only does SSLv3 and SSLv2.
mircea_popescu: "Now after a lot of research, it appears that there is an incompatibility between OpenSSL < 0.9.8k and OpenSSL 1.0.1."
mircea_popescu: mike_c "The requested URL /wot/trust/ was not found on this server."
asciilifeform: the interesting aspect is that i get no such thing from own box.
mircea_popescu: if indeed "they" signed wrong domain, as opposed to matt rude being derpy, we will know down the road.