mircea_popescu: wtf happened to those economists, have they lost their echonomy jobs because of it ?
asciilifeform: 'Allowing more transactions with no other changes would very likely accelerate the UTXO set growth, making it more expensive, more quickly, to run a fully validating node. And worst case would be twenty times as expensive; $10,000 per year. Affordable for a business, not for an individual.' << but now that he said this, next tack will be 'individuals have no business running nodes, only Responsible Licensed Businesses ought ..
chetty: << seriously wonders how mp does so well getting in the head (if they have them) of various libtards
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mircea_popescu: this is LITERALLY how it goes, tho they're broadly unaware of it.
mircea_popescu: you can't prove he's not a ninja, goes the broken mental process, because maybe you just didn't see iot.
asciilifeform: what'd they do - recon ? iirc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plenty. the ninja is the warrior closestly approximable by sitting on ass at computer.
mircea_popescu: davout would not work, if he still had any face to lose. but as it is, will necessarily work : has nothing left, therefore nothing to be lost.
asciilifeform: is there a hidden meaning i'm not aware of ?
asciilifeform: wtf is with the 'ninja' preoccupation of usg muppets
SamouraiWallet: Just a fan of this irc channel and some of the people here
asciilifeform: one can bribe a victim to avoid the latter filing charges. but crown has the option to prosecute if it wants
mircea_popescu: with the victims, or as michael jackson's hologram would say, "ALLEGED!!1"
mircea_popescu: so how did brock pierce avoid 20 to life then ?
asciilifeform: the impression i got from the linked piece is that the hackability of derpco. or whatnot was a crown criminal matter
mircea_popescu: "you fucked up, eiother you pay me or i sue"
asciilifeform: ianal - but what, i wonder, is the american law re: extortion using regulatory officials? i.e. can you demand $x to stay silent about rats in a restaurant ?
mircea_popescu: "LabMD wasn't the first time Tiversa's false hacks made national news," so how is it false ?
mircea_popescu: "We were a small company," he said. "It's not like we had millions of dollars to fight this and tons of employees." << yeah, the fetlife style. "we suck, but that's ok because we are small". herpy-derp, stick to twitter.
mircea_popescu: "In 2010, Tiversa scammed LabMD, a cancer testing center in Atlanta, Wallace testified. Wallace said he tapped into LabMD's computers and pulled the medical records."
mircea_popescu: what is this, "fell in the latrine, can't help but flail arms now"
mircea_popescu: lol they seriously still going with that stupid shit ?
davout: gavinandresen: "wumpus: yes. An increase to the max block size must be preceded or accompanied by a limit on the UTXO set size, I think." <<< top kek
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125030 << dude, he just fills the chan with random stuff nobody understands!
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mircea_popescu: having failed to make the cut...
mircea_popescu: yes, but the difference between "my wife/slavegirl/twu wuv/we you call it" and "this cunt i'm fucking for the time being" is the only real difference in the world.
asciilifeform: (for the time being)
asciilifeform: one of the few remaining quasi-civilized linuxen
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i stand a bit, mebbe 10% of the time.
mircea_popescu: (maybe i'm just sentimental, i used to actually like them)
mircea_popescu: lowered into pederasty if there ever was such a thing
mircea_popescu: today. when it was decided that "well, we don't really give a shit about the debian-dominated gpg strong set"
mircea_popescu: the day debian lost its future.
trinque: mircea_popescu: Nice work on the deedbot << thanks, fun project.
asciilifeform: (responsible for a good chunk of the current delay)
asciilifeform: i'll adjust it as soon as i also figure out the db locking thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform upon further meditation : the sum total of neededchanges to phuctor is, make keys introduced via web go to top of pile, while keys introduced by cutter of db go to bottom of pile. this is all, really.
pete_dushenski: i'm currently giving 'foundation training' a go. basically simplified yoga to specifically counter the effects of sitting at a computer all day (and all night).
mats: the frustrating thing is that i've had carpal tunnel since 18, and it actually went away after four months in basic training/AIT
mats: which is appropriate, i'd say, because cambodians are like the black people of asia
mircea_popescu: heh. a decade or so ago it was undergoing "revival", they had all these plans to attract "artists" and gentrify the area.
pete_dushenski: i have nfi how mine eventually went away. physio is the most likely explanation.
mircea_popescu: i lived there, had nfi it's a shithole!
mats: ha. i'll probably move to a shithole like Lowell (for the low rent), and read a mountain of books
mats: pete_dushenski: notrly. i'm actually thinking about taking six months to a year off, my carpal tunnel has been getting worse recently so the timing may be fortuitous after all
diametric: mircea_popescu: got the mail, thanks.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the great love of beer in europe almost exactly maps to the late imperial recruiting grounds in europe.
thestringpuller: funkenstein_: beer is mostly sugar lol. trying to hydrate on beer isn't the best idea...
Adlai: gabriel_laddel: the presence of "feat" in the video title makes me highly suspicious and unwanting to click
mircea_popescu: much like the churches in early north america
asciilifeform: it was rather like a liquid bread.
mircea_popescu: anyway, egypt still has an ancient network of clean water canisters, as a public service, a day's walk away from the others
asciilifeform: chetty: very different beer from the watery crud of today
funkenstein_: 72 hrs is the commonly stated lifetime of a person without water
mircea_popescu: all it takes is a will to stay alive, which pointedly includes the will to drink your blood if ity comes to it.
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, then you aren't working with any
gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: my point is more along the lines of even with "enough to stay alive" negros produce nothing of interest.
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, thnks interesting.. but my point was more along the lines of you have to at least have what it takes to stay alive
asciilifeform: it's the liberast 'mandatory explanation' for africa.
mircea_popescu: i do not see that if then thing follows.
gabriel_laddel: <funkenstein_> if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi << ;; google east asian malnutrition IQ
Adlai: mircea_popescu: the exact words have long since succumed to neoconservative GC, but something to the tune of "something is funny when it surprises the listener in a manner which makes sense in retrospect, but the speaker knew in advance was unexpected"
asciilifeform: 2) 'arm a9' as in the various popular boards like 'banana'
ben_vulpes eagerly anticipates learning from asciilifeform what novel idiocy the "$9 compudder" ships with
Adlai: the interview consisted of a single question: "what is humor?"
Adlai: rather than answer my own question, I'll pose another... many moons ago, while applying for an exclusive elitist summer course for kids in philosophy or paradoxes or somesuch, the instructor interviewed each kid individually
funkenstein_: Adlai, some of these terms are kind of like "heap", they seem to want to avoid precise definition
Adlai: what is intelligence, though? maybe "likeliness of being the next satoshi" is a good starting point for a better definition
funkenstein_: there's a difference between an environmental and a causal agent.
funkenstein_: if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi
gabriel_laddel: ^ there it is
gabriel_laddel: "and of course, if you are missing a few chromosomes its unlikely you will be the next satoshi"
funkenstein_: and of course, if you are missing a few chromosomes its unlikely you will be the next satoshi
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, I do concede that without things like genetics, air to breathe, gravity and such, we wouldn't have intelligence as we know it
pete_dushenski: 1enjoying your posts, especially the remarkable 'march 18' lot !
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, no i can't get a dog to pass the BC calc test but that is hardly a proof of causation
gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: "You may have some idea in your mind that things like cancer, intelligence, and obesity are in some way caused by genetics. By the time you are done reading this post, I hope you will no longer labour under this gross misconception." << wait, so intelligence is in no way caused by genetics?
decimation: actually it does look like they have some su aircraft, not sure if they will be there otday
pete_dushenski: clearly this isn't stopping the surprisingly prolific funkenstein_ but still.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: including the only working B-29 apparently
decimation: asciilifeform: note that there is going to be a very large flight of WWII aircraft over the national mall today
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: the 2nd order ones are only 1/1000th as powerful though. still +ev.
thestringpuller: I'm starting to think everytime you kill a Gavin-esque zombie, it's already infected 10 innocents which then become zombies.
chetty: Whatever the technical issues on block size, the danger of letting pretty much one person drive a change should be obvious
fluffypony: btcdrak: good posts on the mailing list btw
cazalla: if and when it comes time to cut throats, well i suspect i'll ace that compared to some others
cazalla: that's not some liberal leftist self flagellation either
cazalla: well, my example is not the only one, just something i've observed myself
gabriel_laddel: IMHO, the differences between #b-a and /pol/ are many. /pol/ doesn't like it when they're censored and complains about how unfair things are. MP, and ascii both look ahead and see the need for WoTnet. MP commissions it out of pocket.
cazalla: and when i tried to discuss Bitcoin with them i was accused of being a JIDF shill
cazalla: i guess the difference is that /pol/ assigns the problems cause by an individual to the group whereas #b-a does not
gabriel_laddel: oh, and america. And the UK. And Australia.
cazalla: sorta disintegrated since 4chan became cuckchan and 8chan can't pay the bills
cazalla: i spent much more time there before i found #b-a
gabriel_laddel: generally because they're idiots
cazalla: toddlers are sorta like jews, call out and cry as they strike you
cazalla: not that i have not wanted to but the law says no, violence against women, australia says no! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCCt-Bo07oc
gabriel_laddel: oh so he takes after you then?
cazalla: i'm like.. don't run.. so he runs and goes head over heals and whack.. what can ya do? they don't fucking listen
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cazalla: not a single indian or asian cunt in the crowd
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chetty: suns not even up here, much less over the yardarm
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0 let's turn it up and upboat this vidya to unban the vexual, the true blue aussie if ya ever saw one
cazalla: feels like a million miles away from the monitor
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mircea_popescu: how the fuck i missed that schmuck is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: !rate phantomcircuit -10 One of the Bitcoinica scammers. Also famous for having sent the whole userbase the emails of the whole userbase back when he was running some derpy "exchange" thing. Altogether the lowest sort of scum infesting Bitcoin - whenever you interact with him god kills a kitten.
mircea_popescu: !rate trinque 3 Nice work on the deedbot
mircea_popescu: !rate williamdunne 3 Nice work on the scoop.
cazalla: seeing the missus and kid 24/7 again drives one to crack open a bottle or two
mircea_popescu: !rate davout 4 X.EUR, apparently working on the proper French pronounciation of "pogo"
cazalla has begun knocking back the booze
cazalla: if someone is willing to truck em interstate, all the more to em i say
cazalla: as a kid, some friends and i use to go around collecting cans, weekends were best after local cricket.. stuff some and in there for extra weight and earn yourself $2 for a bag of lollies
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 4 He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor.
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 04:50:27; mircea_popescu: isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ?
asciilifeform: 3) i won't spoil all of the surprises, but the usb gadget pictured in the photo on cryptomuseum's www does not look anywhere near large enough to contain, e.g., independent power source
mircea_popescu: anwyay, your museum piece doth not mention the ceo/cfo/etc kugler guy.
asciilifeform: imho it is worth looking into, because 1) without question they are under the usg glass dome and 2) serious, otherwise educated folks may very well be in the chumpset
asciilifeform: if the 'museum' is to be believed, these people - until very recently - sold exclusively vernamators.
mircea_popescu: one Otto Kugler. they've permits in relevant fields it seems.
mircea_popescu: there.
asciilifeform: as the infamous crypto ag did (does!)
asciilifeform: these outfits don't normally sell to governments (outside of turkmenistan's weight class) - these issue gear to own personnel -
mircea_popescu: wouldn't necessarily know anything, no. nevertheless... what government do they sell to ? turkmenistan ?
asciilifeform: either this, or 'crypto museum' has a great deal to answer for.
asciilifeform: ^ the more recent history has the flavour of being literally copied from a spambrochure
asciilifeform: unlike every other schizo afaik, davis is not satisfied merely with wetware shannonizer
mircea_popescu: "With so many words of wisdom at-hand to express my creative play on words, deciding which in-formation of thoughts, feelings, and actions to choose from to impose my identity with is not easy. Acting with effortless presence in a transcendental meditative state in our beautiful blue biosphere of biological beings is becoming the best, greatest, highest version of our SELF."
mircea_popescu: the shanonizer in question runs on his own personal wetware, and the squeaks you hear have names.
mircea_popescu: the word clustering is a very sad sign.
asciilifeform: and i bet folks using the diddled otptrons would be very excited to learn what has been done to them.
mircea_popescu: As virtually limitless amounts of cosmic epiphanies began to dawn on me, timeless transcendence of my timelessly presence in the Holy Shift of B.S. (belief systems) about universal life started a Higher Truth transformation twist in my life from I to We (think illness to wellness)."
mircea_popescu: "The creative essence within the story of Troy Shanks (Athelete to Alchemist to Alpha) is about Perpetual Regeneration to Levitational Perception. That is, the foundational biological imperative concept of Higher Health to Inner Wealth (Internal Paradise = External Reflection).
asciilifeform: and i have my doubts that they would sell to me in particular
asciilifeform: but there is no question that sc4mz0r1ng. just that they do ship actual iron, it floats around. but i wish to learn, at some point, how they poison it
asciilifeform: afaik they are presently the only vendor offering (claimed) otptrons of whatever variety.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never heard of them, and it looks exactly like a scam.
asciilifeform: (their site barely works. esp. hilarious for folks who sell a $maxint gadget)
asciilifeform: speaking of which, anyone have, or know of someone who knows of someone who have, in the flesh, products from vendor: http://www.mils.com
mircea_popescu: not everyone went to the same kindergarten as you, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: what kind of dope does one have to take to be at the slightest risk from this pitch ?
mircea_popescu: he probably goes around the mall in whatever ohio he lives in, saying "stay wavy baby" to tgi tuesdays waitresses and shoe store attendants.
mircea_popescu: hopefully they have three pills for him.
mircea_popescu: "My message has always been the same. Hard Work, Dedication, and have been the core wisdom I hope to transfer into you as a thank you for reading, visiting, and absorbing my thoughts, feelings, and outlook on life."
mircea_popescu: or in other words : bitcoin idiots / the sort of "entrepreneurs" gavin talks to weren't invented by bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: that's at least 3 years of growth right there.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well then what chance does anyone else have !
mircea_popescu: I have many irons in the fire when it comes to projects, Shanks writes on his website, from health, to wealth, to blogging and establishing a community movement, my arms are ready and my eyes wide open to welcome as many of you as I can, to serve a higher purpose, help others create success, happiness and prosperity in life.
pete_dushenski: tough competition out there.
mircea_popescu: The company that makes the supplements disavowed ownership of these advertisements, saying that they were produced by affiliate marketers who were not its responsibility. In fact, many of the websites investigated by Forbes traced back to a single individual whose phone voice mail said he worked at a carpet cleaning business. One of the products pages BrainStormElite.org, but not BrainStormElite.com
mircea_popescu: http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2015/05/07/how-fake-news-articles-and-lies-about-billionaires-were-used-to-market-an-iffy-dietary-supplement/ << speaking of ismail
asciilifeform: incidentally this battery is a very good beginner lathe project.
mircea_popescu: (have a thinner one in there, not so hard to do)
mircea_popescu: afaik they do
asciilifeform: ^ i do not know if this belonged to ogorodnik, the famous ru traitor in whose case a battery figured
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asciilifeform: not so bulky, either.
mircea_popescu: the problem with otp is that it's bulky
mircea_popescu: these are almost perfectly orthogonal.
mircea_popescu: the thing we're stumbling on here is that the usecase for pubkeys is really two distinct things.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hence life critical yet no reason to be in strong set. Many other "in anger" keys likely same or similar. If not now, soon.
asciilifeform: nor even reason to think that most such keys are not - cooked for the occasion and not advertised
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what keys are used in mpex is between the users and mpex, i haven't the slightest notion of what goes on there
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like the difference between knowing and not knowing that washing hands prevents peripueral fever. now, for as long as you don't know, you don't know. once you do know, it all reduces to a question of how well you washed your hands.
asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways << mircea_popescu has a link earlier, with strong set, and how it doesn't seem to contain almost anyone we know of any reason to give a fuck about
mircea_popescu: that IS a get out of the circle card. because once you're aware, everything you do is more or less successful, but nevertheless in THIS line.
mircea_popescu: i meant, you're aware of the ownership problem.
asciilifeform: but, <mircea_popescu> ... either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
mircea_popescu: because you seem aware of the problem.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i dun think you qualify << why the hell not
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways
mircea_popescu: anyway, the strong set's not much more than 40-50k keys or so, iirc.
mircea_popescu: in other news, Submissions: 18160 / Known Moduli: 14733 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 2018
BingoBoingo: The fiat fail is a pattern though. People near the top like Blair and Bradley with ItBit or Altman with CoinBase say they are cool with the law and people lower down in Utah and Iowa say STFU they have laws too.
BingoBoingo: In other news most of my meatspace contacts are now getting that rosebush as mother's day presents. Just looking at the odds it is almost inevitable of of their moms is going to pirate it.
mircea_popescu: the problem with not being an independent agent is exactly this : the loser's dilemma. either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
BingoBoingo: And yet all of the people previously demonstrated to be aligned against Bitcoin while acting otherwise really seem to be sweating this
mircea_popescu: decimation : the idea that the poor have some sort of choice or whatever is so damned laughable. to quote myself, "Not only is the consumer about as screwed as is currently the case, but to everyone's benefit he has just been clearly proven yet again that revolt = being fucked in the ass harder, longer, with a thicker implement with sharper barbs on it. "
mircea_popescu: it's a lot of fun watching the bug squirm.
mircea_popescu: or else ensuring through silence the charge fails.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the amusing dilemma of the defeated being, of course, that they're stuck either exposing themselves in a doomed charge,
decimation: not so much for the middle
decimation: asciilifeform: also note that the people at the bottom and top of the income spectrum have plenty of tax-free income opportunities
asciilifeform: the whole % thing is bogus
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/tax_burdens_by_quintile/ < note, the obstacles placed in front of 'rising kulaks' are subtle
decimation: asciilifeform: imagining that you can use the king's scrip against him is silly
asciilifeform: (or, in most cases, separating you from your crumbs was not a thermodynamic win)
asciilifeform: dekulakization is the textbook separation of money from folks who thought it automagically bought power.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, there are two goals - keep the underclass paid off and keep the kulaks from threatening your merit-washed heirs
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
decimation: asciilifeform: his remedy: "For starters, (1) Get absolute rid of all tax advantages for setting up ‘Family Foundations’ and ‘Blind Charitable Trusts’ and all that BS. GET COMPLETE RID OF ALL SUCH STRUCTURES. (2) Giant wealth-tax – like 95% flat garnishment – on all net-worth above, say, $10 million.Then let’s just see how many Richie Progressives (not to mention Warren Buffets) of the world go around in the media
decimation: elect will throw them some bread & circuses) to keep them off his and his family’s back."
decimation: https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/no-the-rich-dont-want-to-pay-more-taxes/ < "One reason such policies appeal to Richie Progressive is that the alternative he fears – the real fear – is populist-driven wealth garnishment, if not full-on ‘The Purge’-style unrest, expropriation, and lynching. By ostentatiously claiming to ‘want to pay more taxes’ he primarily hopes he is tossing the masses a bone (and the (D)s he helps
decimation: utilization fee” of 1 percent a year on deposits in excess of the money they need for their operations. "
decimation: trinque: what about being charged for saving < http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/negative-interest-rates-may-spark-existential-crisis-for-cash < "JPMorgan Chase recently sent a letter to some of its large depositors telling them it didn’t want their stinking money anymore. Well, not in those words. The bank coined a euphemism: Beginning on May 1, it said, it will charge certain customers a “balance sheet
asciilifeform l0lz as usual, because is one of these people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means << :
BingoBoingo: <trinque> the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged << But you aren't saving, you are lending
trinque: smacks of the thing where nobody's capable of taking action unless externally "incentivized"
trinque: the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged
decimation: Russ's children being unable to gain 'risk-free' returns at the bank actually is a good thing in my opinion
mircea_popescu: welllll... what else could have happened. "it's easier" is the siren song of the "you will NEVER matter" siren.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round off the capital thing : without ownership you can not force anyone to care about you. whether you can or can not force me to care about you, i will force you to care about me. the illustration of this narrative are the sufferances of young gavin. he drank the "piketty" aka libertard coolaid, and now here he is, wondering what the fuck happened.
BingoBoingo: Yellow Dog linux similarly could not improve. Was PPC Mac linux, when PPC Macs faded and other *nic found the platform faded