ben_vulpes: i...escaped.
ben_vulpes: a wealth of knowledge that would have doomed me to a life in the suburbs under buzzing "lights".
ben_vulpes: automation thereof and design of subsystems for machines performing high voltage wafer binning.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> aha, process man << testing, actually.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: once, twice...
ben_vulpes: but go on asciilifeform, i wait nigh on tenterhooks to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase maintenance.
ben_vulpes: the topologically similar jobs - as miserable as you'd no doubt find my current line of employ.
ben_vulpes: the f1's - similarly unressurectable.
ben_vulpes: consider the rocketry a undergrad's self indulgence, not too different from your lisp machine obsessions.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my professional slave time's been strictly constrained to cross-domain systems engineering in high-voltage wafer testing, machine shop engineering, production line automation and retarded "web" "technologies".
ben_vulpes: you exaggerate my accomplishments.
ben_vulpes: i've ne'er cranked out nozzles for anyone.
ben_vulpes: i'm having trouble imagining in which ways my mine work resembles spelunking through the satoshi codebase.
ben_vulpes: cement mixer?!
ben_vulpes: magically condenses the codebase into something fathomable by mortals like i?
ben_vulpes: prevents memory leaks?
ben_vulpes: the magic line what rips out bdb?
ben_vulpes: which screw to turn to do what
ben_vulpes: my imagination is impoverished, asciilifeform. i know not what i know not.
ben_vulpes: what'd be the gain, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: not to the best of my knowledge, no.
ben_vulpes: !s read cpp
ben_vulpes: i just...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's a good question
ben_vulpes: (gdb) Killed
ben_vulpes: the satoshi codebase is so gorgeously well engineered that it kills gdb when approaching the wedge
ben_vulpes: things proceed slowly, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes sobs
ben_vulpes: LEAVE UNDATA ALONE
ben_vulpes: poor undata's under a lot of stress
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's hard enough to recognize a man in the first place
ben_vulpes had not planned on a normalization excursion tonight, rather, wanted the otc db shooped into mother postgres
ben_vulpes: as does the ratingsystem.db file
ben_vulpes: dunno if anyone ever noticed this but the gpg.db file has a users table
ben_vulpes: hola mod6
ben_vulpes: god finally logged up
ben_vulpes: wai web so shit
ben_vulpes: wai
ben_vulpes: lord wordpress needs a rewriting to work with other databaxen?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can't see why not.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ? << perhaps someday consider the use of the alien technology "postgresql"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "hashname" << have ye unleashed the valkyrie on reddit?
ben_vulpes: cell, excuse me.
ben_vulpes intends to run an open relay node - openly disclosed as such for those in the mood to twiddle knobs
ben_vulpes: i'm not suggesting any values be forced on anyone.
ben_vulpes: doubtful, see the ever prolix reddit.
ben_vulpes: the structure of the thing implies many wots.
ben_vulpes: it *will* happen.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/pushtx
ben_vulpes: i imagine a steady-state future where people operate gossipd cells in much the same way that ircd's are operated on fleanode.
ben_vulpes: forgive the extremely poorly articulated comment.
ben_vulpes: how does someone relay a message to a cell and from a cell to another cell?
ben_vulpes: i imagine we'll all be running our own cells initially.
ben_vulpes: clever, neh?
ben_vulpes: gossipd when
ben_vulpes: confession time, i know nothing about the arcana of irc modes
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] hitler does know considerably more under the all-signed scenario than alternative. << your sought "morale hit"
ben_vulpes: derp, i meant gribble.
ben_vulpes: i don't actually care.
ben_vulpes: you know what?
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
ben_vulpes: when did assbot come back?
ben_vulpes stomps foot petulantly
ben_vulpes: yeah but how come BingoBoingo gets to !up and not me
ben_vulpes: me too.
ben_vulpes: wait are we actually using altgribble for auth now?
ben_vulpes: someone up mats plz
ben_vulpes: wb mats
ben_vulpes: !up mats
ben_vulpes: 100% serious
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] o look, 1k lines by 4 am. ben_vulpes will so much love this. << lord am i
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] i won't argue that wot moves ought to be retained for all eternity; but will say that some automatic caching is necessary << wotchains, perchance?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] probably quite a few folks. but the thing that distinguishes fermat from wot is that wot needs to be at least quasi-'hot' to really work as intended, imho. << strikes me that a series of "rating" messages should be parsed to build a rating history.
ben_vulpes: bad joke; disregard
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjB2qN0TxM << hyperattractor
ben_vulpes: it's because we're all distracted by the hyperattractor 30d above the horizon and 15 deg port!
ben_vulpes: not a record of all strings sent to "#b-a", but a record of all strings sent to "#b-a" as seen by the lN of "assbot".
ben_vulpes: "what matters" << to a keyset though, not "to everyone"
ben_vulpes: forgive the dunce cap hanging over my eyes, but i'm entirely failing to see how this makes for an unrepudiable log of the forum.
ben_vulpes: sure
ben_vulpes: i was commenting at the point in the discusison at which messages were unsigned. did messages become signed?
ben_vulpes: by anyone who cares to transmit with a bogus "from"
ben_vulpes: ah i guess the log only makes sense as maintained by someone in a wot
ben_vulpes: how does it maintain any sort of relevance, if it can be polluted by...
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] that is an ad-hoc, bug-ridden reimplementation of the blockchain! << yeah but only half
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
ben_vulpes: it only works for us, and sort of right now (?!?!?) because once upon a time assbot relied on the "authedness" of users via the "gribble" service.
ben_vulpes: !up asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: how to preserve the serenissima log semantics though? if all "chat lines" are wholly deniable, the notion of a public forum in which to do business publically falls apart.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] and if i am in your list and you in mine the same is preserved by gossipd. << means that if you want everything you say on the record, operate a server for your identity.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i like 'unscannable for', not because of any derping re: 'anonymity', but from sheer delight in the morale hit to enemy << this one in particular
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "fun" << myeah something like fun
ben_vulpes: much obliged
ben_vulpes: matter of fact listening to you and mircea_popescu and artifexed go on has been educational and illuminating in any number of ways
ben_vulpes: f'n bril, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: no wavefronts are a thing
ben_vulpes: ah that's rich
ben_vulpes: i've not the mental horsepower to attack this right now. after tango tho.
ben_vulpes: anyways! i must off to tango lessons.
ben_vulpes: i still fail to see how you're going to make a txn that gets included in the large block chain and not the small block chain.
ben_vulpes: specifics, though, BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how do you plan to cook up a transaction dumping your coins that's valid on the gavinchain but not the mirceachain?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while. << why if 99% of miners move onto that chain, would anyone ever move off?
ben_vulpes: all-channel attack, huh?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt
ben_vulpes: get a cloak toddf
ben_vulpes: not i
ben_vulpes: oh and now a netsplit?
ben_vulpes: ("BAI")
ben_vulpes: hueo
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ?
ben_vulpes: http://www.theautomaticearth.com/oil-power-and-psychopaths/ and to all a good night!
ben_vulpes: what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
ben_vulpes: !up kermit
ben_vulpes: watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
ben_vulpes: where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
ben_vulpes: meanie
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
ben_vulpes: Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?
ben_vulpes: fun and how would you know?
ben_vulpes: i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
ben_vulpes: pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.
ben_vulpes: man how long can we keep this juggling act up?
ben_vulpes: !up fun
ben_vulpes: wah jesus that's a scrollback
ben_vulpes is off for a bit
ben_vulpes: finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.
ben_vulpes: run 'em in parallel.
ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz
ben_vulpes: why bother?
ben_vulpes: you have a thing that works, congrats.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman
ben_vulpes: and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind
ben_vulpes: use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr
ben_vulpes: don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain
ben_vulpes: but don't.
ben_vulpes: there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...
ben_vulpes: you could, ofc.
ben_vulpes: what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.
ben_vulpes: totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: that's your quoting logic
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts
ben_vulpes: use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control
ben_vulpes: are you planning to convert directly to fiat?
ben_vulpes: good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh
ben_vulpes: !s wife material
ben_vulpes: gamechanger right there.
ben_vulpes: if you can afford to denominate in btc...
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.
ben_vulpes: here's to dedis
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?
ben_vulpes: i've been digging through https://twitter.com/ipxcore/ (ghetto vps) for uptime gems
ben_vulpes: that's a shitload of work yow
ben_vulpes: how've you been?
ben_vulpes: !up mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: !up Phraust
ben_vulpes: ew.
ben_vulpes: "the hoplites"?
ben_vulpes: no its horrible
ben_vulpes: garter snakes hueeee
ben_vulpes: ooh most noble order of the garter
ben_vulpes: the peerage?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?
ben_vulpes: is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?
ben_vulpes: "shit mp wants built"
ben_vulpes: znc is broken flaky hellspawn.
ben_vulpes: and a bouncer, while we're at it.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?
ben_vulpes: dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.
ben_vulpes: not i but a good friend.
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_
ben_vulpes: i too, read logs.
ben_vulpes: yes gents i understand all of this
ben_vulpes: ah i see
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [] lispm on the block , yes << what does this mean?
ben_vulpes: i just read cpp and overflow mod6's buffer with bad ideas
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] well done mod6 an ben_vulpes << pshaw i'm entirely tangent; mod6 does all the heavy lifting.
ben_vulpes: i don't get it either, ascii_modem. who takes drugs into planes in plainly labled "DRUGS" canisters?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere
ben_vulpes: misfire.
ben_vulpes: iff
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ministry of torrents?!
ben_vulpes: okay. back in biz.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to read logs and then hopefully disconnect all of those errant connections. or just permaban myself! who can ever know with fleanode.
ben_vulpes: well this is exciting!
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
ben_vulpes: wat
ben_vulpes takes some time to think
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: daily computations of volume?
ben_vulpes: how'd we do things before the nasdaq?
ben_vulpes: the point being that one shouldn't be allowed to fire off an order and then immediately its cancellation just to see the market response?
ben_vulpes: xterm, huh?
ben_vulpes: oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point?
ben_vulpes: lolno, even my dreams aren't that grand.
ben_vulpes: xterm, eh?
ben_vulpes: subject of terminals, may i ask what terminal you use, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal << not to mention at the heart of so many terminals.
ben_vulpes: aside from experimentally kicking everyone one at a time, logging in and finding the culprit.
ben_vulpes: t: how would we find out?
ben_vulpes: t: any chance you can make freenode autocloak people? i don't see the value in exposing everyone's IPs.
ben_vulpes: pretty simple.
ben_vulpes: t: well for a while anyone without a cloak got ddossed.
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
ben_vulpes: you too can slay grues!
ben_vulpes: it's one of the more fun nodes in the bitcoin arg.
ben_vulpes: mostly cult self-affirmation.
ben_vulpes: whatever one makes of it, t.
ben_vulpes: cryptoautarky?
ben_vulpes: t: cryptoanarchy
ben_vulpes: clearly google is oppressing you.
ben_vulpes: !t m butts
ben_vulpes: derp
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
ben_vulpes: !down mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hm mebbe i'm not seeing mode changes.
ben_vulpes: "no u guise seriously i do everything the way lizard hitler insists"
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [19:31:50] these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << lol i love this routine
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: amidoinitrong?
ben_vulpes: !up ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: !up t
ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/ << purchaser of the contract is nowhere to be found lol
ben_vulpes: going so far as to build planes and fleets purpose designed to be vulnerable to swarm attacks.,
ben_vulpes: usg seems to be going out of its way to avoid anything smart with drones.
ben_vulpes: usg?
ben_vulpes: unmanned vehicles can pull arbitrary g loads, and be made across the spectrum of capability in a way that the manned vehicles currently aren't (probably couldn't be, due to procurement processes).
ben_vulpes: the limit of this curve has some interesting hints for the future of air combat.
ben_vulpes: but!
ben_vulpes is no wwii japanese historian either
ben_vulpes: bamboo suicide planes, the stories hold.
ben_vulpes: let's not forget the nips.
ben_vulpes: ha that's an amusing point.
ben_vulpes: "could it be a UFO, boss?"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the point is that "stealth" merely reduces the cross section, doesn't render things invisible.
ben_vulpes: come now, the obsession with stealth is a great indicator of how moronic US armsmithing's become.
ben_vulpes: "that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!"
ben_vulpes: "stealth" aircraft is a straight up retarded concept.
ben_vulpes: for now, none of my problem domains need modeling with any sort of "objects".
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, ascii_modem: i'll get to know it eventually. only now beginning to dabble with McCLIM at gabriel_laddel's suggestion.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: got my hopes up for a second there
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [02:37:56] kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths! << blind somalian i thot ;)
ben_vulpes dreams lightly of litho processes and large gates
ben_vulpes: etc.
ben_vulpes: sub hundred.