lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-04#1954217 << the line_ids are monotonic yes, but not related to date (it is just a line count). As for the date, I took your [time is now+3 hours whenever you start doing it][http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-04#1954217] to mean that exactly
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-alleged-crisis-of-the-supposed-engineering-or-mistaken-identities-pantomiming-a-comedy-of-manners/ << Trilema -- The alleged crisis of the supposed engineering, or mistaken identities pantomiming a comedy of manners.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/what-the-fuck-is-this-then/ << Trilema -- What the fuck is this, then ?!
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-tmsr-os-implicit-clients/ << Trilema -- The TMSR-OS implicit clients
mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of these to 2019-12-03 22:03:06 time ?! didn't we go through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.
mircea_popescu: see also the comments for... well, comments.
mircea_popescu: <table style="font-size:1em;width:"580px;"> <<< aaand yet another problem, too many quotes in there.
mircea_popescu: there's still something off here, the font's too big, when compared to http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2016/ ; looking into it.
mod6: ^ Foundation Report for November, also can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_201911.txt
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-02 19:04:23 mircea_popescu: but in any case, the item's probably the most contundent impediment to sanity in computong
dorion_road: mircea_popescu et al, nice. it's certainly exciting to be zeroing in on the most contundent impediment to sane computing. I'm looking forward to what spyked has to say.
bvt: re efi, i only had a one machine with it, used in-kernel efi stub and efibootmgr (configuration tool, not loader), did not use grub there
dorion_road: bvt ok, thanks for the update.
bvt: dorion_road: thursday is the new deadline; the reason for the bug was nothing cool; it was a hole in my vpatch generation process for kernel which i will have to review and change.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, reflashing, sure.
dorion_road: Such ROMs on other boards could be much harder to access. Is such an ideal solution conceivable via USB ? For example, boots into an initramfs with "flashrom" style program and operator's custom BIOS preinstalled for overwriting the vendor.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-02 19:03:32 mircea_popescu: jfw, the ideal solution here'd be a de-uefi-izing dongle.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-02#1954075 << Not sure how it is otherwise, but I've installed a custom BIOS on the x200 thinkpads, which was done by overwritting the vendor's on a ROM specifically for BIOS. On that board, the ROM is easily accessible under the trackpad.
dorion_road: If so, take mapping the uefi-{1,2} partition as the starting point. The specifications are here.
dorion_road: as it turns out, it seems to my eye that it'd suit you well, given, e.g., the low level firmware work you're doing. do you want it ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-02 18:59:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, the efi/uefi problem is actually looming the largest here.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:43:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be the best fit, tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying the theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other than my public work, I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953812 << well spyked, the efi/uefi problem needs solving.
BingoBoingo: Of course the fact that Colombianas don't end up in Uruguay seems like it may be a testament to their hotness
BingoBoingo: There's few Colombianas in Uruguay that I've met, but despite the small sample size... they are a breed apart from the rest of the continent.
BingoBoingo: Peaking at the rents, it is looking like a great spot to land if I can get them to buy.
BingoBoingo: The horse cart rag and bone men are going to be unhappy.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well, the sub-municipality containing my hood they contract trash service separately from the rest of the city because "fuck work stoppages" and they were reliably emptied bi-weekly.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ahahah, it takes a sort-of-riot to ...empty the bins? lmao.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, some pleasant fallout from the local derping towards activity on the part of the youth. They appear to now to emptying the dumpsters every night despite... kids not gathering at the "problem" stretch of the Rambla anymore in numbers greater than a dozen.
BingoBoingo: Teaching Persians how to be better Persians is a pursuit with a long storied history. The question is, will the Persians write more words in their note taking than you publish on Trilema for having done the teaching?
mircea_popescu: next up, going to persia to teach the padishah how to shah.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in ganymede news, the bimbo's been hauling empty cups downstairs and full cups back upstairs for lo this past half hour ; in between mopping the well sopped bathroom floor and replenishing sanitation items ; in continuation of having taking turns sucking my cock in my bath.
mircea_popescu: how good that the ourdemocracy shanonizing machines were imported to utterly overwhelm the most firava local textual production.
mircea_popescu: it is CERTAINLY apt. i myself never heard it before ; and of course the ever-useful internet only has https://ro.porn4you.xxx/video/baba-se-freaca-la-pizda-in-timp-ce-nepoata-se-fute-cu-mosu-1280.html inept nonsense to offer
mircea_popescu: south east more likely fuse i guess, the short fu is more nw.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The loudest old women nowadays seem to be young and not so young marginal XY folk.
mircea_popescu: baiatul-baba, the old woman boy.
BingoBoingo: For carrying out the rituals, the old women get to feel important despite just about any other food all that effort could have been directed at being much better at being food.
BingoBoingo: And then the old women can stick to their elaborate rituals to make one of the world's least nutritious candidate crops less than deadly for consumption.
BingoBoingo: Despite Tapioca being a news world crops, large swaths of Africa live off the stuff. It's the ultimate Old Woman crop going further than the old world root vegetables. It's a woody shrub that happens to produce some carb laden if extremely toxic root nodes that will keep indefinitely in the ground ensuring the Matriarchy will never want to move or do anything.
mircea_popescu: indeed the pike was probably the first and most effectual bitcoin to date. "shut up or ima poke you again"
BingoBoingo: The problem probably predates writing. "Farm so I can get fat", "Fuck you we're moving along and following the mammoths, I'm not going to live off of your damned dry seed paste"
BingoBoingo: Well, the pulp revolution let the poor, the stupid, and the old indulge in fantasies of derps like themselves coping with the occasional Gibs ex Machina "validating" them as important.
mircea_popescu: printing had ~nothing to do with it, the problem existed three thousand years ago exactly the same.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that cheap printing had any positive impact that balances out filling old woman skulls all with the same uniform stupidities.
mircea_popescu: yeah ; but they're very consistent with all the other magics that don't exist outside old woman skull. they work just like jesus, for one thing.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nor is anyone to be had who knows how to set up a raid of spinners, or could be arsed to. << Most of the small business folk will have one chinese box loaded with 1 to 4 of spinners, dearly bought, to hold the output of their horribly under resolutioned cameras.
BingoBoingo: AHA. The fixed lens really beats the thing into uselessness. The fictional "enhance image" tools the magic produced for Old women CSI magician police shows use... don't exist.
mircea_popescu: sure, "it can be compressed". HOWEVER, compress as you will, two an' a half raw terrabytes throughput will wear a ssd enough to be noticeable. and then the next day comes, and soon enough nobody wants to buy a new ssd each other week for EACH CAM
mircea_popescu: 1080 px (ie, just enough to MAYBE be able to identify ~something~, say 50% of the time, given you have neither iris nor crystalline, meaning your camera's fixed lens, doesn't adjust for either depth of field or luminance) will produce 1mb per color PER FRAME. if there's 10 frames in the second and 24 hours in the day, why,
BingoBoingo: The derps are also being exceedingly consistent on "no political motivations" despite... audio recordings
mircea_popescu: the cameras everywhere are there for stupid old women to shut the fuck up already, they don't really do so much -- in the rare instances they actually have film. which -- it's fuckingexpensive, the camera revolution happened just as the ssds came in. do the math if you will :
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/60SGP << And the local establishment wankstream press is finally catching up to Qntra on the background of the rebellious youth now that they've been cycled through their house arrest hearings. It also appears that for all of the money spent on cameras and other theatrics... the cameras aren't good enough to offer images capable of actually identifying anyone at night.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: makes sense; atm though there's still a lot of "posts" all over mp-wp and it's annoying because it makes me trip over and go "post" when I mean article, myeah; a lot of cleaning left to do on that but irc billymg was on it so I shall refrain currently from further trespassing :P
hanbot: plenty moar than 6. i suppose it's possible i failed to get an @ in there...but i don't think so. ofc i don't have much of a way to go back and review.
diana_coman: was that email address less than 6 chars in total? that and/or no '@' would have failed the check.
diana_coman: hanbot: iirc there was some issue if one messed up something in that additional spam filtering change because it touches indeed the same file and it's ~easy to make a mistake so it just kills all comments; but then it kills all really so hm.
hanbot: i wonder wtf tho'. i remember popping that message when i was trying to adjust the spam filter on the themes to work correctly, but that's been fixed a -while-. maybe it thought my email addy's offensive somehow lol.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-02 19:14:44 hanbot: diana_coman i'm getting that fun ol' "please fill the required fields (name, email)" error on attempting to comment on your latest. did something change since lastcomment?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-02#1954082 - no changes really; on looking at it, that error was thrown on too-short/missing email/name so possibly that's what happened? At any rate, since I don't care about email really, I took the check on email out so please try again and let me know if it's still missbehaving (my testing comments all went through fine, from different machines & IPs).
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in period trilemas, http://trilema.com/2015/the-four-points-of-this-morning-in-color-any-questions/
mod6: Since then, it seems like that may be a first-order of business.
mod6: I had some stuff I was testing and working on, but it did not include a 'cleaving-off' of the wallet.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:55:19 jfw: mod6, trinque or other TRB scholars: has there been progress toward raw transaction RPCs since http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/2018-April/000297.html ? I've written a getrawtransaction (in my queue to publish) but am in need of a sendrawtransaction for a split wallet I'm working on ( http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/ )
jfw: I was remembering this phrase but not where from; turns out my own link, hah. Which pretty sure I found via the logs.
mircea_popescu: fundamentally true, just about everything wrong with the world is the downstream of "well meaning" margarets trying to bring dead babies back to life and such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: Where do anti-good ideas come from? They come from misguided attempts to do the impossible - which is another way of saying "trying to ignore reality."
jfw: the noted split in UEFI severity is a point.
jfw: Are the post-2013 AMDs any better? 'platform security processor' to keep up with the competition right?
mircea_popescu: i don't really know anyone who both a) is technically literate and b) thinks post 2015 intel chips are actually worth money, as it happens. a situation eerily reminiscent of every other socialism's progress, late sovok folk similarily didn't think late sovok artefacts worth deploying.
mircea_popescu: there;s at least one major separation in the uefi latrine (plenty others, of course, the thing's fractally broken), which fortunately occured just about that moment in time when intel chips became thoroughly useless. so not supporting uefi-2, "must have to work" is relatively a small loss, as it goes with the shitty spycore intel chips anyways, which nobody wants (though might be tolerated in some roles for cheapness' sake
hanbot: diana_coman i'm getting that fun ol' "please fill the required fields (name, email)" error on attempting to comment on your latest. did something change since lastcomment?
jfw opens up the spec PDF he had lying on HDD, is reminded it's 2500 pages
jfw: But what do you put in its place? Reversing boards was tough enough as I gather even before the standard fritz chips
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the item's probably the most contundent impediment to sanity in computong
mircea_popescu: jfw, the ideal solution here'd be a de-uefi-izing dongle.
mircea_popescu: the nsa is firmly entrenched in controlling that sweet, sweet path to diff power analysis, they've glued it thoroughly with all the broken glass of "energy efficiency" faux ourdemocracy preoccupations, it strikes me as one of the things that'll only dislodge once the emperor himself is rapemeat.
jfw: myeah. if Intel decides the PC architecture is no longer the PC architecture, OS maker has to bear the burden ?
dorion_road: I can see it, I think I read about lilo in the logs, then have stuck with since following the gentoo handbook a few years back, apart from one public toilet efi laptop where I went with grub.
mircea_popescu: afaik everyone who uses lilo loves lilo and everyone who uses grub loves grub. allegedly the former's more fully featured while the later's more narrowly construed.
dorion_road: mircea_popescu grub may be required if EFI systems are supported. I don't know if lilo is worth saving or if grub for everything is the better choice.
dorion_road: I am working on a work plan for myself for the next week(s). I will publish as an article this week when ready.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 14:49:29 mircea_popescu: dorion, it'd prolly be a good idea to take your own trackbacks out of the (independently --VERY SHORT) recent comments toolbar. i can't tell what's going on
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-01 16:57:17 bvt: dorion_road: i have discovered some WTF??? sort of bug in the kernel that manifests only outside of the VM. i will continue debugging it tomorrow, but this means that the writeup will appear only after it is fixed; sorry for this delay.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-01#1954016 << ok, thanks for the update. please provide your updated expected date of delivery as soon as it becomes clearer to you what the situation is. as mircea_popescu notes, perhaps you turn up something cool.
dorion_road: diana_coman, mircea_popescu I replied to your comments on my tmsr-os article. Apologies for the latency, atypical meat space festivities took more of my weekend than normal.
dorion_road: I don't yet know exactly how they're to be beat, that's for the owner to investigate, report back on the cost/benefits of various decisions and publish his vpatches.
dorion_road: The starting point is for the bios and bootloader code to be owned by someone under V. Coreboot, LILO and GRUB (for EFI support) come under V to be beat into human use.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:51:10 spyked: dorion_road: so I'm sort of a "master of none", I guess. but in general, I'm interested in doing any infrastructure work required to get a tmsr-os up, I think I can handle it, with probably some ramp-up time to learn the code. imho needs figuring out what's really needed tho, e.g. from your list, what work is required for bootloaders/biosen and wh
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:43:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be the best fit, tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying the theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other than my public work, I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953812 << thanks for the background spyked. I agree we're at the phase of figuring out what is really needed.
BingoBoingo: It is a small sadness that it looks like I'll be leaving Uruguay just as it starts to get interesting, but... the local vandals don't seem to have discovered how to make "ninja rocks" outta ceramic insulators.
BingoBoingo: Lol, this country doesn't have an actual walmart. It has small chains of "hypermercados" run by board members of Walmart and Walmart-likes that they use to play around and learn more about this sorta cattle troughing.
BingoBoingo: In other joys of the 4 month transition until the new government comes in March 1st... The outgoing government is declining to do their annual inflation based adjustments to the various rates charged by the state monopolies... after the price of beef at the carnicerías climbed ~70% for "asado de tira" this year. Backdoor welfare as only dollar economies pretending to be their own peso economies can manage.
BingoBoingo: Last I looked into it they brought at a minimum an additional ~GB of RAM consumption and ~2-50% of CPU utilization as a "Don't copy this floppy" deterrent that forces everyone to download the version with that shit cut out.
mircea_popescu: you can imagine what joys these "trusted platforms" bring to binary distribution.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in near virality and Uruguayos not ever leaving their own homes http://archive.is/AigEd
BingoBoingo: So, apparently every datacenter in Vzla is fully staffed. For being fully staffed just about every datacenter in Vzla is happy to offer contact information for the folks who make hiring decisions at datacenters in other countries, mostly Colombia.
mircea_popescu: ima try putting the first few in and we see (i hope for eg you do the sed 's%"%\\"%g' | sed 's%*%\*%g' escapings, yes ?)
mircea_popescu: so instead : hey lobbes, please fix these and give me a one-line-per-post dump, formatted like "INSERT INTO tril_posts(id, post_author, post_status, post_type, post_name, post_date, post_date_gmt, post_title, post_content); INSERT INTO tril_term_relationships (object_id, term_taxonomy_id) VALUES ("articleid-1", 44);", wheren the ids start with 90800 and the time is now+3 hours whenever you start doing it.
mircea_popescu: seems maybe for the sake of simplicity i could just process the source logs ; but then i'll end up with a broken bot when deployed huh.
mircea_popescu: then i was going to say something like : lobbes, can you get me the result of <? ?> and give out php code to dump directly, but I notice things such as "<br><table>" as article headings, instead of the correct <table style="font-size:1em;width:580px;">" and so i assume the middle <td> doesn't carry the required class="breakup" either.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the format favoured for this job is the one-article-per-insert thing so i can publish them at short intervals like before
mircea_popescu: in other news, we find lobbes 's sql format is not great, seeing how it's just the plain mysql dump ; whereas obviously enough the ID column will conflict so it has to be dropped.
BingoBoingo to resume crawling tomorrow. Today I've got to reply to the folks who replied to my weekend solicitations this morning.
billymg: i've been following along as much as possible, still keeping the same timeline for the actual transition
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953870 << hey, sorry, salt mines work has been more demanding than usual these past few weeks
BingoBoingo back to the crawl, reply, crawl some more loop. Had to get this mega-Qntricle published before the Pinko-Color revolution media machine does its thing.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/12/montevideo-goes-to-the-beach-after-second-week-of-clashes-between-navy-and-rebels-leaves-kilometers-of-broken-glass/ << Qntra -- Montevideo Goes To The Beach After Second Week Of Clashes Between Navy And Rebels Leaves Kilometers Of Broken Glass
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, this is how truly cool shit is found.
bvt: dorion_road: i have discovered some WTF??? sort of bug in the kernel that manifests only outside of the VM. i will continue debugging it tomorrow, but this means that the writeup will appear only after it is fixed; sorry for this delay.
BingoBoingo met some local journos, placed some business cards with folks in the neighborhood. Kids last night made it farther and spread more widely than the local press is giving them credit for.
BingoBoingo: The morning of the 24th they made it to the area around the British embassy. This morning they made it to Montevideo Shopping.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, small sample size, but it seems the Navy and the Chorros are entering something that could be an extended conflict. Especially in light of the fact the chorros can escape Navy jurisidction by crossing the street.
BingoBoingo: In local news, the breaking is starting to ratchet up though so far only at night and only on the weekends http://archive.is/LpTDx
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-alleged-crisis-of-the-supposed-engineering-or-mistaken-identities-pantomiming-a-comedy-of-manners/ << Trilema -- The alleged crisis of the supposed engineering, or mistaken identities pantomiming a comedy of manners.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-01 06:02:16 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-30#1953918 <-- fwiw, write-ups usually take me at least an hour. testing's the easy part, except when I encounter weird stuff, which adds another 1-2 hrs on top of those 10 minutes it should take.
diana_coman: come to think of it, it makes perhaps more sense to note that the 30 minutes worth of changes should in fact be correctly expressed as at least an hour worth of write-up; basically I had too little write-up to justify a vpatch!
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/12/01/the-success-of-romanian-moft/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Success of "Romanian Moft"
diana_coman: uhm, so possibly it's just that I'm the weird one around here for which the tech part takes longer than the writing, ha!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-30 13:30:48 diana_coman: at any rate, the hour was spent: ~10 minutes figuring out the change and making it directly on my blog so that the results were clear; ~30 minutes for full vpatch process: retrieve+press current v-tree to head; make code + manifest file changes; test press of result & check + final sign; ~20 minutes for write-up + upload + overall final check.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-30#1953918 <-- fwiw, write-ups usually take me at least an hour. testing's the easy part, except when I encounter weird stuff, which adds another 1-2 hrs on top of those 10 minutes it should take.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-30 20:26:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, one annoying part about your blog's implementation of footnotes is that they don't tooltip the content. which sucks.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-30#1953982 <-- will also look into that and I'll post a fix. I'm having the markdown plugin generate footnotes instead of ye olde footnotes plugin.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-30 21:09:33 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-182
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-30#1953986 <-- approved, I'll be away today, so will answer tomorrow. otoh, 2014 /me had much less of an idea about politix in software than nao (didn't even start reading the logz back then). e.g. my lunix conference run fails to cover the broken parts I saw there and couldn't properly verbalize at the time
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't yet speak Korean. Some cases take more digging than others, but places to shove my solicitation are being found.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, what's the problem with calling ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-182
BingoBoingo: 2017-2019 More than half of identifiable Korean datacenters still try to force inital contact through the telephone. 3/4 still obviously Microsoft shops. Remainder target foreigners.
mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won << also, the "unix philosophy" link is dead. which, on meditation, is actually quite reasonable.
mircea_popescu: spyked, one annoying part about your blog's implementation of footnotes is that they don't tooltip the content. which sucks.
mircea_popescu: also thinking things through, now that pizarro's no more there's prolly no real point to that.
mircea_popescu: in other news, this was trilema's biggest month this year, readership-wise. so was october, back then, and september... it's been crawling monotonically all year.
diana_coman: and more to the point: trackbacks *are* conversation namely via articles so I'd rather see also trackbacks to other blogs that I follow, hm.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 22:46:01 mircea_popescu: anyways -- i dun think a blog should list pingbacks either in the comment rss or in the "new comments" navbar.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949228 - since this came up in #o recently - I can see the point of taking trackbacks out of the comments rss too but at the same time I *want* to know of new trackbacks to my blog - how would that happen exactly?
mircea_popescu: clearly the web's such a repository of information.
mircea_popescu: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22error%3A+%27thd_lib_detected%27+undeclared%22&t=ffsb&ia=web << in other lulz.
diana_coman: because they are sufferable only in small doses really and even then I'm not sure it's not just ..for contrast.
mircea_popescu: im thinking... maybe the best kind of patch available is the one that takes the maker ten minutes to make.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-30 14:10:35 diana_coman: code changes that took 30 minutes, lol; not sure how can one define it more precisely in the general like that, it depends on a lot of things after all.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-30 14:16:26 diana_coman: no, it's not about the loc and I specifically did not mention loc.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the neener department : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-30#1953933 <-> http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/29/comments-filtering-for-mp-wp/?b=And&e=I#select
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is then a mpwp guffaw, should evidently stick to one convention.
diana_coman: it's mpwp that does same thing in two different ways; all I do is to conform to its different ways; and no; in db the comment_type is (as I checked) with 3 distinct values: empty string, "trackback" or "pingback"
mircea_popescu: the function is just a wrapper on the exact same thing, wp_list_comments('type=comment'); is exactly SELECT * FROM $wpdb->comments WHERE comment_approved = '1' and comment_type = 'comment'
mircea_popescu: you're doing the same thing in two different ways -- one place you ask for an empty type, the other for a "comment" type
diana_coman: in one place it does a direct select in db ; in the other it uses its own function and that has its own parameters
mircea_popescu: it's really the same conditional, shouldn't it rather be and comment_type = comment' ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally -- there's a divergence in your patch. on the first heading you say and comment_type = '' but on the second heading you say
diana_coman: well, the way this goes then is simply this - I should have passed the vpatch making on to a more junior person then; because ok, familiarity -> figure the shit out but the fixed cost of vpatch packaging is what it is
mircea_popescu: as the man said, "you wanted me to design a typeface, it takes 10 minutes + a lifetime dedicated to preparing for those 10 minutes"
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you it'd have taken anyone else > 30 minutes to figure the shit out. just because you have the massiva advantage of perfect familiarity doesn't mean so much,
diana_coman: no, it's not about the loc and I specifically did not mention loc.
mircea_popescu: what, should there be more lines ?
diana_coman: code changes that took 30 minutes, lol; not sure how can one define it more precisely in the general like that, it depends on a lot of things after all.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, it's neither about the write up (after all, I did it *because* I considered it needed) nor about the 20 minutes on it; it's about the fact that a vpatch containing ~30 hours worth of changes would have taken ~similar in writeup and the rest.
mircea_popescu: maybe the problem here is one of expectations management.
mircea_popescu: arguably a press + vdiff + test press + sign shouldn't be half an hour, but it seems to me by now we're trying to measure the measuring tool, it's not even clear the measurement tolerance is narrower than the width of that "shouldn't". by how much shouldn't it be half hour.
mircea_popescu: now, that time shouldn't be excessive ; but 20 minutes hardly strikes me as excessive, dunno, is the argument here ?
mircea_popescu: honestly it doesn't seem to me the breakdown you have is unreasonable. it will take some time to write things up. this time SHOULD be taken, there's no benefit from "oh, let me mention things vaguely and anti-usefully in the log", it's worse than nothing, it's a cost upon the future.
diana_coman: the grating thing being also that the only alternative I see would be "drop it in the logs/blog" as a clue/how-to and then keep searching for it or something.
diana_coman: at any rate, the hour was spent: ~10 minutes figuring out the change and making it directly on my blog so that the results were clear; ~30 minutes for full vpatch process: retrieve+press current v-tree to head; make code + manifest file changes; test press of result & check + final sign; ~20 minutes for write-up + upload + overall final check.
diana_coman: not to mention that I specifically packed more than just the initial change that you were pushing, precisely because of this issue - the overhead on a vpatch means that small but useful changes will have to wait to accumulate.
diana_coman: sure, you can say "you're an idiot, set out your workbench better"; maybe it is that; I think there's more to it though but probably I'll have to find some time to scope it and write it down.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: mno, it's not just a matter of "tools were not set out properly"; tools were set out and there was no time lost gathering them or whatever; yes, there is some inevitable delay when using key, for obv reason but by now that part is as streamlined as it can currently be.
mircea_popescu: taylorism ftw, half the time the problem's one of "you know, if you set out the tools on the bench BEFORE you got the hot piece out of the oven, rather than run around the smithy holding a chunk of red iron while looking for things..."
diana_coman: should add that I think the problem is relatively superficial ie one of tools as they currently stand, not one of principles.
mircea_popescu: then again, that was pushed through in a different context, maybe needs reexamination
mircea_popescu: well, ideologically the thing stood at "let development be painful-er than entirely painless, it'll produce better code in the end".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 17:10:06 mircea_popescu: do we have a problem there, is it ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953885 - tbh I think we do; I've been mulling this for a while ie I'm not happy with the full V setup as it is - at least as it is for me currently - but so far it never made it to the front to push for some solution.
lobbes: in other news bracket linking now functional in mpwp logger. Tip of the hat again to asciilifeform, as I ended up lifting his bracket linking code verbatim from the reader.py
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-29 15:20:21 mircea_popescu: lobbes, except if you do that, i'd rather do it on trilema.com first
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953847 << gotcha. So perhaps I can get an initial dump to you for trilema.com (with > march 2016 archives imported), then you can give the final dump to me for trilema.org?
jfw: mircea_popescu: nifty, thanks. Will see if I can accomodate on this pass; otherwise what I'd be working toward is a wallet that's still "declared" but with keys not accessible to node.
mircea_popescu: this is lubby, at the root of it. look through the log for it, and then read the math. but it's not just math ; it's one of those places where philosophy masquerades as science.
mircea_popescu: jfw, after all, if q = a + b and p = a + c and r = b + c then q + p - r = 2a. if as are addresses and qs are wallets, one needn't ~declare~ his wallet to count his money.
jfw: The necessary index would be large if history is included, perhaps on the order of the existing ones (blkindex.dat), but omitting it strikes me as rather a premature optimization by satoshi.
jfw: mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953825 - I think I do now: the ideal node would be able to readily list outputs and thus balances, and perhaps also history, for any given list of addresses, statelessly. Like a block explorer that didn't suck.
mircea_popescu: do we have a problem there, is it ?
diana_coman: so in v time-costs and all that: changes took ~10 minutes including figuring out wtf to change (because I'm no expert in either mpwp or php) and then the rest up to 1 hour was making vpatch + test-press + write-up; pshaw.
diana_coman: fine, let me pack both then.
diana_coman: ah, could be but if I get to that, might as well fix the recent comments too or it ain't worth the gpged, lol.
deedbot: 2019/11/07 02:34:06 <billymg> mircea_popescu: yup, the plan remains, january will be the time
diana_coman: I guess so; but I meant it more as in why default in the genesised mpwp; anyways, perhaps billymg makes a patch to take those out of there and to put also trackbacks/pingbacks as last in comments (I've fixed this on my blog only a few days ago but by default they mix in comments too)
mircea_popescu: in the original idiot prototype trackbacks function as a sort of assonaut social interaction, the transcription online of the weird talking into the air eyes averted thing they do.
mircea_popescu: dorion, it'd prolly be a good idea to take your own trackbacks out of the (independently --VERY SHORT) recent comments toolbar. i can't tell what's going on
diana_coman: tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.
mircea_popescu: this 2 really goes all the way back to the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important than any other turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.
mircea_popescu: and 2) really gotta genesis, both the script so people DO have a sane way to make edits, and the sources, so we don't depend on randotards keeping whatever software package online.
mircea_popescu: but in any case multi-gb things can not be called operating systems nomore than run of the mill failboats can be called buttplugs. yes, even if you end up butt-impaled on one somehow ;
mircea_popescu: aaaanyways. my chief takeaways from spyked 's article are that 1) a multi-gb os is a joke, no matter how you turn this. it is deeply unclear to me 1mb is a defensible amt of space for the os to occupy,
mircea_popescu: from what I understand, it's not possible to compile Emacs using Musl << bwahahaha what the fuck
diana_coman: hm, looking now at it, there doesn't seem to be a pingback on trinque's article from mine despite my linking it; weird.
spyked: diana_coman, approved and ty for the link. I knew there was _some_ discussion on that, but I could not for the life of me find it at the time.
diana_coman: and apparently the bits and pieces known/sorted about this are not that easy to find or something, hmmm; esp the paths issue was discussed and sorted in the logs + documented at http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/14/a-working-cuntoo-install-on-amd-fx-8350-with-script/
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/assorted-notes-on-bootstrapping-cuntoo << The Tar Pit -- Assorted notes on bootstrapping Cuntoo
mircea_popescu: lobbes, except if you do that, i'd rather do it on trilema.com first
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-29 11:37:28 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953799 << mind that you want a post id > 100k. trilema is in the 90`000s atm. and also, how are we gonna handle the mar 2016 - today log dump ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953830 << this is a point re: ids. It may make sense for me to first just import your trilema dump and then import my archives
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-29 11:35:36 mircea_popescu: had some testing in #trilema-lobbes, fucken beautiful. btw lobbes, you intent to implement the square brackets convention ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953829 << glad you like it :) And yes, I was thinking of implementing the square-bracket convention. It just seems incomplete without it.
spyked: mircea_popescu, I pushed a fix to feedbot, lessee how it works. I expect it should send the notifications in the correct order next time
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:31:50 diana_coman: spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by the looks of it)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953802 << if it sees more than one new element it reports them in the order seen, which is counter-historical because for some reason rss is newmost on top and obviously irc is newmost on bottom. imo this needs a fix, have the list reversed on feedbot end.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953799 << mind that you want a post id > 100k. trilema is in the 90`000s atm. and also, how are we gonna handle the mar 2016 - today log dump ?
mircea_popescu had some testing in #trilema-lobbes, fucken beautiful. btw lobbes, you intent to implement the square brackets convention ?
diana_coman will gladly read the humongous cuntoo write-up.
spyked: diana_coman, np, thanks for reporting the issue
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
spyked: dorion_road: so I'm sort of a "master of none", I guess. but in general, I'm interested in doing any infrastructure work required to get a tmsr-os up, I think I can handle it, with probably some ramp-up time to learn the code. imho needs figuring out what's really needed tho, e.g. from your list, what work is required for bootloaders/biosen and wh
spyked: so I'll add that bug to the todo list for fixing
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be the best fit, tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying the theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other than my public work, I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo
diana_coman: spyked: ah, so you mean that the trouble is just that the message queue is lifo instead of fifo really?
spyked: what happened is that the comments prolly got queued as they came, then they got sent in the reverse order.
spyked: well, it doesn't look at comment numbering or anything. also, it doesn't make any distinction between comments and posts, it's just feed entries, as per the spec
spyked: diana_coman, it was down until just now. and no, it doesn't guarantee any order, though that's prolly an easy fix, should push them to the queue in the other order.
diana_coman: spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by the looks of it)
jfw: mod6, trinque or other TRB scholars: has there been progress toward raw transaction RPCs since http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/2018-April/000297.html ? I've written a getrawtransaction (in my queue to publish) but am in need of a sendrawtransaction for a split wallet I'm working on ( http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/ )
lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
lobbes: in other news, I've got the blog echo complete. Two ways to quote: 1) can use the log line reference link 2) or use a standard #select; bot will read out what is in the "<span id="select">" tags.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-27 18:52:46 dorion_road: On the ownership front, so far we have bvt on the kernel, ave1 on gcc and lobbes on ebuilds/package management.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 23:23:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with them eh
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953652 << this is true. I'm wary about bringing down snr, but refraining altogether also ain't a solution I suppose. Careful derailment