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ben_vulpes: ;;google stallman toe jam
ben_vulpes: !s stallman toe jam
ben_vulpes: i smell toe jam cooking
ben_vulpes: just another *lang
ben_vulpes: ah, what's wrong with go, thestringpuller?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: oh tchyeah that thing's considered harmful.
ben_vulpes: raw transaction api backport's not totally trivial.
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> have no idea why they haven't split the node from the wallet << mostly time.
ben_vulpes: ^^ that behavior actually blows the wallet concept entirely pu
ben_vulpes: spreadsheet or org mode file should be adequate for the user of "angry five"
ben_vulpes: lol one can concieve of all sorts of things asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: or rather, notion that bitcoind should bear responsibility for tracking your coinholdings.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable' << wallet notion itself is asinine
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "phree"
ben_vulpes: but the dishwasher!?
ben_vulpes: now the washing machine can at least measure moments of inertia, and make some kind of guess about how much water to derp into itself, that i'll scowlingly perhaps accept if i'm in a generous mood.
ben_vulpes: what kinds of smarts can the thing possibly have
ben_vulpes: dafuq does this dishwasher get off claiming a "smart wash" mode?
ben_vulpes: bruce oreck is my hero
ben_vulpes: jeez guys leave my shitty puns alone
ben_vulpes: it's all somalia to me
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: PeterL: 'tis a reference to the homeland of the social networks
ben_vulpes: (not a typo)
ben_vulpes: "socal media"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform ^^
ben_vulpes: stan the key you signed those patches with has expired
ben_vulpes: afternoon, gents
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too
ben_vulpes: !up Pierre_Rochard
ben_vulpes: !up works tho
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand?
ben_vulpes: looool
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?
ben_vulpes: i'll ask
ben_vulpes: neat trick, that
ben_vulpes: actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --market btce
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --btce
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes sighs, cracks neck
ben_vulpes: !up punkman
ben_vulpes: i'd up ye, but...
ben_vulpes: salud, punkman
ben_vulpes pines for a proper stillsuit
ben_vulpes: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html << "sc1ence" now in full bore crapflation support mode.
ben_vulpes: i read a permutation that had him in front of a microwave dish.
ben_vulpes: not in portland, TomServo. here, they tax you for runoff.
ben_vulpes: http://truth-out.org/news/item/28390-deep-questions-arise-over-portland-s-corporate-water-takeover << rot in the local socialist paradise begins to creep to the surface
ben_vulpes: o hey a magic string
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> [] may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << grand idea
ben_vulpes: have i ever been aught but the court clown?
ben_vulpes: and i respond.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why focus on me, though?
ben_vulpes: because i honestly don't think that you see it.
ben_vulpes: and further - what precisely you think my part is.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you claim some sort of knowledge on how things i did once qualify me for things i do now. i'm curious to know what precisely you think qualifies me - on what sort of (shaky?) foundation those assumptions and guesses rest.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not terribly. castoffs from the pre-production days are always looking for a good home.
ben_vulpes: i...escaped.
ben_vulpes: a wealth of knowledge that would have doomed me to a life in the suburbs under buzzing "lights".
ben_vulpes: automation thereof and design of subsystems for machines performing high voltage wafer binning.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> aha, process man << testing, actually.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: once, twice...
ben_vulpes: but go on asciilifeform, i wait nigh on tenterhooks to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase maintenance.
ben_vulpes: the topologically similar jobs - as miserable as you'd no doubt find my current line of employ.
ben_vulpes: the f1's - similarly unressurectable.
ben_vulpes: consider the rocketry a undergrad's self indulgence, not too different from your lisp machine obsessions.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my professional slave time's been strictly constrained to cross-domain systems engineering in high-voltage wafer testing, machine shop engineering, production line automation and retarded "web" "technologies".
ben_vulpes: you exaggerate my accomplishments.
ben_vulpes: i've ne'er cranked out nozzles for anyone.
ben_vulpes: i'm having trouble imagining in which ways my mine work resembles spelunking through the satoshi codebase.
ben_vulpes: cement mixer?!
ben_vulpes: magically condenses the codebase into something fathomable by mortals like i?
ben_vulpes: prevents memory leaks?
ben_vulpes: the magic line what rips out bdb?
ben_vulpes: which screw to turn to do what
ben_vulpes: my imagination is impoverished, asciilifeform. i know not what i know not.
ben_vulpes: what'd be the gain, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: not to the best of my knowledge, no.
ben_vulpes: !s read cpp
ben_vulpes: i just...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's a good question
ben_vulpes: (gdb) Killed
ben_vulpes: the satoshi codebase is so gorgeously well engineered that it kills gdb when approaching the wedge
ben_vulpes: things proceed slowly, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: LEAVE UNDATA ALONE
ben_vulpes: poor undata's under a lot of stress
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's hard enough to recognize a man in the first place
ben_vulpes had not planned on a normalization excursion tonight, rather, wanted the otc db shooped into mother postgres
ben_vulpes: as does the ratingsystem.db file
ben_vulpes: dunno if anyone ever noticed this but the gpg.db file has a users table
ben_vulpes: hola mod6
ben_vulpes: god finally logged up
ben_vulpes: wai web so shit
ben_vulpes: lord wordpress needs a rewriting to work with other databaxen?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can't see why not.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ? << perhaps someday consider the use of the alien technology "postgresql"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "hashname" << have ye unleashed the valkyrie on reddit?
ben_vulpes: cell, excuse me.
ben_vulpes intends to run an open relay node - openly disclosed as such for those in the mood to twiddle knobs
ben_vulpes: i'm not suggesting any values be forced on anyone.
ben_vulpes: doubtful, see the ever prolix reddit.
ben_vulpes: the structure of the thing implies many wots.
ben_vulpes: it *will* happen.
ben_vulpes: i imagine a steady-state future where people operate gossipd cells in much the same way that ircd's are operated on fleanode.
ben_vulpes: forgive the extremely poorly articulated comment.
ben_vulpes: how does someone relay a message to a cell and from a cell to another cell?
ben_vulpes: i imagine we'll all be running our own cells initially.
ben_vulpes: clever, neh?
ben_vulpes: gossipd when
ben_vulpes: confession time, i know nothing about the arcana of irc modes
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] hitler does know considerably more under the all-signed scenario than alternative. << your sought "morale hit"
ben_vulpes: derp, i meant gribble.
ben_vulpes: i don't actually care.
ben_vulpes: you know what?
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
ben_vulpes: when did assbot come back?
ben_vulpes stomps foot petulantly
ben_vulpes: yeah but how come BingoBoingo gets to !up and not me
ben_vulpes: me too.
ben_vulpes: wait are we actually using altgribble for auth now?
ben_vulpes: someone up mats plz
ben_vulpes: wb mats
ben_vulpes: !up mats
ben_vulpes: 100% serious
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] o look, 1k lines by 4 am. ben_vulpes will so much love this. << lord am i
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] i won't argue that wot moves ought to be retained for all eternity; but will say that some automatic caching is necessary << wotchains, perchance?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] probably quite a few folks. but the thing that distinguishes fermat from wot is that wot needs to be at least quasi-'hot' to really work as intended, imho. << strikes me that a series of "rating" messages should be parsed to build a rating history.
ben_vulpes: bad joke; disregard
ben_vulpes: it's because we're all distracted by the hyperattractor 30d above the horizon and 15 deg port!
ben_vulpes: not a record of all strings sent to "#b-a", but a record of all strings sent to "#b-a" as seen by the lN of "assbot".
ben_vulpes: "what matters" << to a keyset though, not "to everyone"
ben_vulpes: forgive the dunce cap hanging over my eyes, but i'm entirely failing to see how this makes for an unrepudiable log of the forum.
ben_vulpes: i was commenting at the point in the discusison at which messages were unsigned. did messages become signed?
ben_vulpes: by anyone who cares to transmit with a bogus "from"
ben_vulpes: ah i guess the log only makes sense as maintained by someone in a wot
ben_vulpes: how does it maintain any sort of relevance, if it can be polluted by...
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] that is an ad-hoc, bug-ridden reimplementation of the blockchain! << yeah but only half
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
ben_vulpes: it only works for us, and sort of right now (?!?!?) because once upon a time assbot relied on the "authedness" of users via the "gribble" service.
ben_vulpes: !up asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: how to preserve the serenissima log semantics though? if all "chat lines" are wholly deniable, the notion of a public forum in which to do business publically falls apart.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] and if i am in your list and you in mine the same is preserved by gossipd. << means that if you want everything you say on the record, operate a server for your identity.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i like 'unscannable for', not because of any derping re: 'anonymity', but from sheer delight in the morale hit to enemy << this one in particular
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "fun" << myeah something like fun
ben_vulpes: much obliged
ben_vulpes: matter of fact listening to you and mircea_popescu and artifexed go on has been educational and illuminating in any number of ways
ben_vulpes: f'n bril, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: no wavefronts are a thing
ben_vulpes: ah that's rich
ben_vulpes: i've not the mental horsepower to attack this right now. after tango tho.
ben_vulpes: anyways! i must off to tango lessons.
ben_vulpes: i still fail to see how you're going to make a txn that gets included in the large block chain and not the small block chain.
ben_vulpes: specifics, though, BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how do you plan to cook up a transaction dumping your coins that's valid on the gavinchain but not the mirceachain?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while. << why if 99% of miners move onto that chain, would anyone ever move off?
ben_vulpes: all-channel attack, huh?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt
ben_vulpes: get a cloak toddf
ben_vulpes: not i
ben_vulpes: oh and now a netsplit?
ben_vulpes: ("BAI")
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ?
ben_vulpes: what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
ben_vulpes: !up kermit
ben_vulpes: watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
ben_vulpes: where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
ben_vulpes: meanie
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
ben_vulpes: Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?
ben_vulpes: fun and how would you know?
ben_vulpes: i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
ben_vulpes: pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.
ben_vulpes: man how long can we keep this juggling act up?
ben_vulpes: !up fun
ben_vulpes: wah jesus that's a scrollback
ben_vulpes is off for a bit
ben_vulpes: finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.
ben_vulpes: run 'em in parallel.
ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz
ben_vulpes: why bother?
ben_vulpes: you have a thing that works, congrats.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman
ben_vulpes: and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind
ben_vulpes: use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr
ben_vulpes: don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain
ben_vulpes: but don't.
ben_vulpes: there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...
ben_vulpes: you could, ofc.
ben_vulpes: what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.
ben_vulpes: totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: that's your quoting logic
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts
ben_vulpes: use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control
ben_vulpes: are you planning to convert directly to fiat?
ben_vulpes: good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh
ben_vulpes: !s wife material
ben_vulpes: gamechanger right there.
ben_vulpes: if you can afford to denominate in btc...
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.
ben_vulpes: here's to dedis
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?
ben_vulpes: i've been digging through https://twitter.com/ipxcore/ (ghetto vps) for uptime gems
ben_vulpes: that's a shitload of work yow
ben_vulpes: how've you been?
ben_vulpes: !up mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: !up Phraust
ben_vulpes: "the hoplites"?
ben_vulpes: no its horrible
ben_vulpes: garter snakes hueeee
ben_vulpes: ooh most noble order of the garter
ben_vulpes: the peerage?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?
ben_vulpes: is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?
ben_vulpes: "shit mp wants built"
ben_vulpes: znc is broken flaky hellspawn.
ben_vulpes: and a bouncer, while we're at it.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?
ben_vulpes: dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.
ben_vulpes: not i but a good friend.
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_
ben_vulpes: i too, read logs.
ben_vulpes: yes gents i understand all of this
ben_vulpes: ah i see
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [] lispm on the block , yes << what does this mean?
ben_vulpes: i just read cpp and overflow mod6's buffer with bad ideas
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] well done mod6 an ben_vulpes << pshaw i'm entirely tangent; mod6 does all the heavy lifting.
ben_vulpes: i don't get it either, ascii_modem. who takes drugs into planes in plainly labled "DRUGS" canisters?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere
ben_vulpes: misfire.
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