asciilifeform: there is infinite appetite
asciilifeform: in the sense of 'this is like protein folding' - sure
mircea_popescu: there's more pixels needing laying down than there are people who can do it. period.
asciilifeform: i was speaking of problems that are at least theoretically worth solving
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ? << Largely this. I know a person who "Does Video" for a and I am not making this up: "Storytelling Consultancy" or at least he did. Not sure atm what that douche is doing.
asciilifeform: well yes, because all of the things one can't even dream of affording 'look quite alike'
mircea_popescu: and yet <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru
asciilifeform: this is ~not~ like the scarcity of, e.g., 'real computer', where ~it doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't exist~
asciilifeform: these - yes, good luck finding.
williamdunne: With the same bear
asciilifeform: and there is no shortage whatsoever of 'skilled folk.' there is only shortage at a particular price point.
asciilifeform: the shortage is of work that 1) pays 2) doesn't make you want to shoot yourself in the head immediately
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no value in software. let him steal.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:06:08; mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case.
asciilifeform: 'embed engineer' sounds simple, but he has to be permitted near the jewels, know what's worth stealing, ~and~ continue working for ~you~ rather than the nice fella who now signs his bonuses
mircea_popescu: there's an endless mountaineous heap of work, and the last time i talked to someone even halfway competent was last week.
mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case.
asciilifeform: (incidentally, the success history of ussr attempting this was spotty, to say the least.)
asciilifeform: sure. but why would the 'anyone' make the result available gratis to his competition ?
asciilifeform: (perhaps minus the 'nsa chapter' but enough to run shader.)
mircea_popescu: why would someone use something other than the car to go shop ? "oh, this is for work!!1"
asciilifeform: they, likely, have proper card specs from nvidia etc. under nda
asciilifeform: why would anyone use anything other than linux boxen for a headless render farm
mircea_popescu: "Pixar does NOT use Apple computers to make 3D for their movies (modeling, animation, render, shaders, etc.). They use Linux, just like everyone else in the industry. Now they might use a Mac to paint a background or texture something but all feature animation is done in Linux (Disney, Dreamworks, Sony Animation, Blue Sky, etc. etc.). That's also true for SFX shops like ILM, Weta, Sony Imageworks, DD, etc. etc. All Lin
mircea_popescu: "The crappy 3D support on Mac OS is in direct conflict with that goal. Furthermore, as a non-Mac OS user, I would kindly request that no disproportionate developer effort be spent on such an inadequate and developer-hostile platform.
mircea_popescu: there.
mircea_popescu: "And that article Richard posted just seems to exist to stroke Apple's ego. I don't think I know a single artist who would choose to buy one of the new Mac Pros for their work, especially considering the premium you pay and their reliance on AMD hardware in a field dominated by nV and CUDA."
asciilifeform: not speaking of these. but of the folks who want a posix box that fits in a rucksack, where, e.g., 'suspend to ram' works, etc
mircea_popescu: there are people with myspace accounts still.
mircea_popescu: what idiots do isn't really in the scope of this discussion.
asciilifeform: see the point re: 'sole remaining commercial unix ws vendor'
asciilifeform: they could make almost anything and folks will buy so long as it is vaguely computer-like and doesn't run winblows.
mircea_popescu: they'll make excellent gameboys in a decade.
asciilifeform: apple's trajectory for years has been to merge 'iphonism' into their entire product line
mircea_popescu: the need for guts comes in exactly too sizes :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they don't need much gut here, the chip was designed under herr jobs and exists now
mircea_popescu: they'll just pretend like the poroblem doesn't exist and will go away, like any mcdonalds.
mircea_popescu: and no, i don't believe cook has the guts to even try.
asciilifeform: result will likely be that apple begins shipping arm-macs with their in-house gpu.
mircea_popescu: looks more like, "neither nvidia nor amd were willing to go into a intel-ms deal with fucking apple, because who the fuck do those assholes think they are and it's about time they figured out a) jobs is deads and b) if he weren't he'd be in jail ; meanwhile apple won't talk to intel or asus etc because they think they're too good to deal with lesser babka, and so they're saying fuck you to the entire modern computing g
kakobrekla: >The Navy tried to sail away from XP in 2013, but it seemed to hit some headwind with the project as of May this year it still had approximately 100,000 workstations running XP or the other software.
mircea_popescu: no, apparently not their fault.
mircea_popescu: apparently they are unable to support opengl properly
mircea_popescu: as the costs to prop it up just keep on growing and eventually tyhe whole "ecosystem" collapses
asciilifeform: what was the thread about, i'm having trouble telling
mircea_popescu: if they don't have decent driver suport they COULD make some in house abomiation circumvent it all, and so on
asciilifeform: aha, they eat via photoshit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru
mircea_popescu: if you want to process say a shader and it takes you half hour on mac and five minutes on gentoo then by this standard one would i guess say it doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: but runs as in what ? "can't access the driver, here's a nice welcome box" ?
mircea_popescu: different things these.
mircea_popescu: oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ?
ben_vulpes: 'works' means different things for people who use computers vs program them.
ben_vulpes: i work with the 'agencies'. design happens on macs.
mircea_popescu: well, it can only happen if the damned thing works./
asciilifeform: (why mac survives, i mean. rather than apple corp.)
asciilifeform: today it survives principally because it is the only remaining commercial unix workstation vendor.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, apparently the problem is that whatever actual driver support they had, marginal as it was, they're chucking in the new osx
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno. that was '90s apple (the actual apple, prior to its death and devourment of corpse by 'next' corp.)
mircea_popescu: the things one finds on the internet. i thought mac survived principally because graphics shitheads.
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2015 19:48:57; asciilifeform: 2) tiny turds, stored and then reclaimed, lead to fragging
asciilifeform: it is demonstrably less efficient than if there were a cache
phf: mircea_popescu: i guess thermonuked is less efficient network utilization, but per asciilifeform better then less efficient memory utilization which was the case pre thermonuke
asciilifeform: phf: both patches are presently considered 'experimental' and not yet ratified by therealbitcoin.
asciilifeform: all that can be done is to have a node that 1) syncs, eventually 2) allows others to sync from self 3) doesn't go around writing blank cheques for the system resources of the box it runs on and handing them out to street scum
asciilifeform: but there is no especially attractive way of fixing this, presently
asciilifeform: understand, the entire sync mechanism as-we-have-it is profoundly retarded
asciilifeform: but 'bastard' from the perspective of a node is simply any block for which the immediate antecedent is not already on disk
asciilifeform: phf: in the sense that they are uselessly occupying the pipe while they're moving - they do
phf: asciilifeform: right, no surprises there so far. i thought that maybe as blockchain grows the cumulative delay will increase, but i don't see that happening yet
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mircea_popescu: phf am i reading what you're saying correctly , "thermonuked more efficient network utilization" ?
asciilifeform: ved a primate colony in which primate females were killing their own children, it could only be because of something she had done to them; she must have committed some horrible breach of experimental ethics that so deranged these monkeys that she had driven them insane enough to do something that no monkey had ever done before. He then stormed out of the talk and went directly to the scientific press to denounce her for whatev
asciilifeform: 'So she gave a preliminary paper on the subject in 1976, suggesting that more research was needed to explain how this behavior could possibly have evolved in primates, only to be interrupted in mid talk by an audience member, a prominent expert in her field. He stood up, tried to stop her from finishing reading her paper, announced that primate females absolutely do not ever murder their own children, and that if she had obser
asciilifeform: phf: read the src. bitcoind never 'requests bastard block', it requests 'next blocks' and ends up with a great many that aren't the precise next block we want
phf: bitcoind keeps rerequesting same bastard blocks before there's enough blockchain to accept it, on average i got 3-4 rejections for the same block, with a few worst cases of ~100 rerequests
phf: so i'm running thermonuked version: at 180k blockcount, i got 44526 bastards, 44007 of which have been eventually accepted with an average 3 minute delay.
asciilifeform: ^ i posted it to 'reddit' when the latter was still readable, in '07, and for a while it held, i think, the 'vote' #1 record on that site
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assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 22:17:37; pete_dushenski: i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo "the later is simply for hire" << two t's
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174589 <<< they kill other people's kids, not their own though yeah?
mircea_popescu: but so far most of the productions on the topic are "smoking is bad and vaccines good mkay"
pete_dushenski: i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia"
mircea_popescu: not that inadequate. iirc it's the leading cause of death in small children in the western world.
pete_dushenski: and the scope of science such as it exists currently is woefully inadequate to study the matter
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, spontaneous abortion is a thing, and obviously children inhabit some sort of continuum between that and adulthood, so...
mircea_popescu: i suppose on the surface "sudden infant death" seems insanity, as adults don't do anything like that.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu go figure that the courts would find personal responsbility where there is none to counterbalance their continued lenience when it's actually there, as with 'insanity' pleas.
mircea_popescu: eh from what i've heard, they convicted a buncha women for what actually was bona fide kids dying
trinque: I've seen more than a few things published on whether "sudden infant death syndrome" (obviously a questionable concept on its own) is a more palatable "diagnosis" for infanticide
pete_dushenski: throughout the animal kingdom, really
nubbins`: i think that's included in the next omnibus bill
mircea_popescu: otherwise we will never be able to answer this dilemma.
mircea_popescu: better get the pm request special powers to investigate the content of people clicks
williamdunne: I always thought the stat was meant to reflect those looking for work who can't find it
trinque: thestringpuller: I'm a firm believer in post-natal abortion rights.
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 21:27:00; williamdunne: In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50%
thestringpuller: my mom woulda put me in the ground had I spoken like that to her as a kid
williamdunne: In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50%
mircea_popescu: also leaves, bits of their own front yard, inept 6yo drawings on bits of wallpaper etc
nubbins`: of course the fucking dog dick is a "web designer"
williamdunne: Blender Foundation can receive Bitcoin donations made using the following address:
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: What is the drink you have in your blender picture?
cazalla: about $2.99/kg atm but every few years the storms destroy the plantations and up the price goes
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174461 <<< bananas cheap? they were around $15/kg a few years ago down under (on account of storms destroying the banana growing regions and the fact bananas cannot be imported into australia)
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller wut ?
punkman: thestringpuller: dafuq
mircea_popescu: anyway - this is what the vanishing 1% intelligent gpu bitcoin miners did with their rigs.
punkman: what's the cloud service for, rendering?
mircea_popescu: punkman because a) when i first asked, their idea was "buy a mug" ; b) the link i finally fished out did not include any reference either i or fluffypony found (see it in logs) - they have A DIFFERENT unlinked page for this purpose
thestringpuller: i wonder if they'll call you a tyrant
thestringpuller: it will be interesting the posts on reddit when you kill gavincoin just like doge mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: the "navigate to /bitcoin" pointers y compris.
mircea_popescu: the and running part includes incontrovertibly a step where a page exists online that is substantially identical to http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Ubuntu
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: other than the observation that shorter -> simpler -> everything is slightly less retarded and easier to make sense of
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc the agreement was that it can go, as it serves no useful purpose nor has for a long time - but not a priority. we're atm working on getting the priorities in AND RUNNING
ascii_field: nubbins`: in point of fact, therealbitcoin includes wallet
mircea_popescu: the mystery of meat : http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7nmzvFXMC1rvaz2uo1_1280.jpg slut in seethrough outfit looks better than naked.
nubbins`: with no wallet, what's the worst you'd do to it?
mircea_popescu: i think that's gonna be the bitcoin thing - we're here to surprise you.
jurov: on slightly related note, we hatched with thestringpuller a scheme for poor USians to take hold of X.EUR
mod6: So anyway, we'll have to remember this when we revist the Checkpoints issue. My patch will be rejected then, and we'll come up with something that gets rid of line 939 as well as pulling the checkpoints themselves out of checkpoints.cpp and into a separate config file.
ascii_field: and whether it is actually cryptographically invalid, or only protocol-invalid
ben_vulpes: my point is that they're still walking.
ben_vulpes: not that they're not zombies already, but...
ben_vulpes: what happens if the blockchain contains invalid blocks?
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2015 04:26:05; asciilifeform: is the only place where fBlock is true
punkman: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0936 << when I removed the IFs there it blew up before block 150k, wonder if it works for anyone else
mod6: the part you're talking about is in main.cpp right?
mod6: at a later time when we have everything setup for a checkpoint configuration file, then we can revisit.
mod6: ascii_field: re: checkpoints: the patch worked fine to remove checkpoints, but it was tabled for the time being. the main discussion around this was that it could be helpful to hvae checkpoints in there to prevent spamming of blocks from timestamps before a checkpoint.
ascii_field: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos << probably ought to be either updated or tossed ?
punkman: they verified at some combination of bitcoind and openssl
ascii_field: does the ~genuine~, honest blockchain actually contain blocks that never verified ?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: can anyone recall why http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20141218/bitcoin-v0_5_3-rm_checkpoints_41327b9a962e6d27869f4d361d742ab5c7061ede.5.patch didn't make it in ?
ascii_field: i'd much like to hear a persuasive argument re: why all of the above won't happen.
ascii_field: and could, in combination with something like the letter wheel described earlier, 'help remember wallet'
ascii_field: incidentally, usg - like the regime portrayed by orwell - spends $maxint on attempts to 'read minds'. not always even laughably stupid - the mri 'has seen this object or not before' trick appears to actually work
ascii_field: was well-obvious even then.
mircea_popescu: clarke wrote scifi. orwell wrote emofi. not the same thing at all.
ascii_field: perhaps painted on outside wall of the jail
ascii_field: for famous (or otherwise 'ransomable') folks, machine will have an externally-advertised btc addr
ascii_field: but in the future, death in captivity will be mainly about being 'helped to remember' brainwallets.
ascii_field: mats: works great with above setup. optionally jailer doesn't wait for you to starve, a few wks without any signal from vending machine & you go to the harversing table (wide awake naturally)
ascii_field: to use in laboratory for experiments, if they like.
ascii_field: today 'vacation', tomorrow - esp. if they suspect you haven't in fact given 'it all' - the vending machine.
mircea_popescu: the reason there's nothing left there but crooks is precisely that the onl;y deal available is "i try to steal as much as i can, if you catch me you get it and i take a vacation"
mircea_popescu: about half the people currently working there have this episode in their life, "give us all your money and we'll agree to not let you work for x years"
mircea_popescu: for the record, that system already exists, for wall street pencildicks.
mircea_popescu: i don't buy from paypal, you expect me to trade with your vending machine ? wtf is this, "free market the way we like it" ?
ascii_field: just for the ones 'too kewl for school'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do you basically mean that bitcoin can not be held without tools, whereas gold can, or at least to a higher degree ? << At the time more physical possession of gold is different from possession of bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 17:00:45; ascii_field: it is the ultimate 'iq test'
mircea_popescu: ie, it enforces a "must be this tall to ride" limit rather than allowing people to delude themselves about it
mircea_popescu: this is true. nevertheless, bitcoin is very elitist by its nature, which flows from this.
ascii_field: on the contrary
mircea_popescu: there isn't a minimum hand size required by gold.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but there's a minimum brain size required.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I was refering to the need to get the keys or the coins, as in you can't take a laptop "full of Bitcoin" and have seized the coins: "Bitcoin on the other hand demands not only mere physical possession, but actual control of a set of keys necessary to transfer value. While gold is vulnerable to a simple change of possession, Bitcoin requires a more difficult but possible intellectual change of possession."
mircea_popescu: someone could steal your gold after you sent it just as well, what's that to do with the gold ?
BingoBoingo: It isn't an actual property of Bitcoins. It is a failing of the social structuring of the stupid.
BingoBoingo: It means that if you seize some bitcoin and send it immediately to herpity derp service they might turp their way into "returning it" out of some misguided notion of ownership. Gotta at least use a solid mixer like BitBet
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't get this distinction you propose. so "unlike the cryptocurrency Bitcoin, Gold seized immediately preserves its full exchange value.", what's this mean, that people paid less for faux Bitcoin the USMS was pretending to be selling than for faux Bitcoin pirate was pretending to be going to pay them ?
ascii_field: state of the art re: minimality, short of plain old $trillion-in-paper-cash-'missing'-in-iraq sort of siphon
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ascii_field: because of the cell tower shadow it creates
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu true, id say its more likely nato self leak, but anyway, the radar thing is quite lulzy
ascii_field: it also would be logical for whatever consumes the sooper s33kr17 text string (e.g., salted password hasher) to actually live in that brass tube.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the part where the serbs were breaking nato codes is never given much airplay.
kakobrekla: im sure they will come, but would be funny if they will come with the unlikely usb sniffer instead of ps2 while the gang makes noise on ps2. sorta what happened in bosnia > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown
ascii_field: these are rf-noisy.
mircea_popescu: so they're enough for everyone
ascii_field: what's the point of having so many pixels
ascii_field: because you do not know where in the alphabet it began, each time.
mircea_popescu: and just press the one you like
ascii_field: i will describe what is probably the cheapest way to make a 'stealth keyboard' . but no one will like it.
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 15:52:32; kakobrekla: pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174201 << in the linked article, yes. in old thread of mine, i was describing conventional radio leak
ascii_field: surrender is the ultimate 'user friendly' (2nd only to death)
ascii_field: punkman: there is no 'off the shelf' consumer appliance that will do a lick of good here.
ascii_field: it's the scan matrix that is 'heard'
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 15:41:10; mircea_popescu: tho i suspect the cheapo plastic bump kbds are a little quieter than the model ms
jurov: (i have replaced battery in my cheapo ups, tested it with 40W bulb... in shock watched the visible jitter, and it put out ~160V instead of 220)
pete_dushenski: so that meta-lisard-nsa doesn't read my keystrokes through the mains ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: the hammond thing looks like just isolator, not stabilizer
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: thoughts on the 'hammond' unit linked above ?
ascii_field: if getting the latter, find a secondhand unit with missing or rotten battery, replace by yourself (100 to 200 usd, assemble the pack manually)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174168 << i had a 'Sola EPC 210-60.' then replaced with gigantic doublecoverter ups, 'liebert'
pete_dushenski: lulzy thing is that these machines still exist in canada even though 'penny' was phased out last year
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 11:11:14; cazalla: BingoBoingo, looks like they finally had the coins made one of your articles mentiond a few months back http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11694838/Islamic-State-mints-its-own-Islamic-Dinar-coins.html
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1173976 << look like the result of one of those souvenir penny-pressing machines at zoos, museums, etc.
pete_dushenski: such is the risk of conversing where experts can see you.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: nor am i, i appreciate the input.
kakobrekla: dunno, not the expert.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol the window was probably a few weeks. tops.
kakobrekla: pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues
pete_dushenski: ^heh i was thinking about this eulora question, time to test my answers against the back page !
kakobrekla: no, the usb is quiet(er)
mircea_popescu: i meant the latter.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: no doubt they're worth it
pete_dushenski: assuming 'model m' falls into the aforementioned camp
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 18:18:35; asciilifeform: did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ?
pete_dushenski: and the double-converters ups are all $1k+ !!1
lobbes: 'Also in order to have all 7 billion people use the blockchain directly' << hehe good one
pete_dushenski: i can't tell them apart and some are $100, some $300
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 18:17:10; asciilifeform: (yet another reason to run on a double-converter 'ups' or at least an isolator transformer!)
mircea_popescu: they're welcome to it.
mircea_popescu: not terribly inaccurate a drawing, either.
mircea_popescu: oic. shame on them for hiring locally. there are some washington "civil servants" married to "entrepreneurs" that'd eagerly sell russia on the same process gavincoin used!
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mircea_popescu: basically, he is very bad at everything he attempts, and attempts a lot of things at the same time.
mircea_popescu: finally, smoking in a steamy room also sucks. both because wet tobacco and because the steam-smoke mixture is like... ew.