asciilifeform: the folks described in the linked piece are 'load on the state' in strictly the same sense as the traditional '4th of july' fireworks display.
asciilifeform: i can buy an argument re: joe stack et al., but these schmucks are products of usg entrapment program and are really best understood through 'psychiatric' lens, rather than criminalistic much less 'revolutionary'
trinque: I wouldn't expect that any rival political thing would form among the orcs going apeshit
asciilifeform: the 'your own people hate you' thing isn't false, as such, but a newspiece about the arrest of one Abdul Rahman is not really proof of this
trinque: there are eventually not going to be enough cops to deal with the number of people tired of their shitty lives.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 22:46:02; asciilifeform: i will describe, for the benefit of n00bz, the typical career path of 'let's resist usg through action' in usgland: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044
mircea_popescu: what now asciilifeform ? lizards lying about how fucked they are ?
mircea_popescu: There are more of these guys to follow than we can possibly follow, Sen. Lindsey Graham told us. Its just a matter of time before one of them penetrates the net.
mircea_popescu: that's ok. it'll be a lot worse next year. and the next and the next, and who knows, maybe it makes it till 2020 even.
mircea_popescu: His comments track with those of his House counterpart Devin Nunes, who said earlier this week that the country is at a higher risk of terrorism than ever before.
mircea_popescu: The recent arrests are an indication that the increased number of threads of threats
is at the highest level that most of us have seen since 9/11, Chairman Richard Burr of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence told us in an interview.
mircea_popescu: islamic state my foot. your own people hate you because you're hateful, contemptible twerps, yo. nothing isis can or could do has anything in there.
mircea_popescu: "The FBI has been rounding up more potential lone wolf terrorists, congressional leaders and the Justice Department say, in response to the perception of a mounting threat of domestic attacks inspired by the Islamic State."
shinohai: @ mircea_popescu if I find a Russian bride in the form of that pic you just posted, I would be a very happy person indeed.
mircea_popescu: "In addition to the embarrassment of having their bro-y, bitchin orgy leaked onlineyou can view uncensored portions belowPearson (who is also the managers son), Hopper and Smith can be heard making at least one racially insensitive remark toward the three Thai girls involved with the players."
BingoBoingo: replace the stars on the current banner with little watermelons, repatern the stripes like a KFC bucket
mircea_popescu: heh. the flags are either the imperial gold with whatever schmuck's escutcheon (i suppose fried chicken and watermelon for the current holder ?) or else the guelph red, or white, or blue, with the horse, the tower, the you name it.
asciilifeform: can't wait to see what the 'new flag' looks like.
mircea_popescu: a committee did it ? you each did it, individually, the full thing.
mircea_popescu: the point is to allow no quarter. there is no excuse. joint and several liability exists to deal with exactly this sort of situation.
trinque: who needs govt force when american companies are so happy to provide it on the govt's behalf
mircea_popescu: name the committee, as individuals.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous. << will search. Likely committee action. Just quoting Cooter's thoughts on the action there
assbot: Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store Because of the Confederate Flag | Touch Arcade ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAgs22 )
mircea_popescu: this isn't about principles. this is about particular morons being particularly moronic. they are personally responsible.
mircea_popescu: always put names in there.
mircea_popescu: put names in there.
mircea_popescu: ask who doesn't want to tell you, why don't they want to tell you ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo call up the corp, ask who did it ?
mircea_popescu: Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was gonna say "why not take it back to civil war" to you, but then i realised what cw1 was.
asciilifeform: (yes, i favour 'cw1', like ww1. the latter had to wait for 'ww2', but why wait to use correct term?)
asciilifeform: and cw1 was the first shot
asciilifeform: the 'kick' has been in continuous progression since at least 'bloody kansas incident'
mircea_popescu: Recently agitators in the United States along with officials in various government capacities have been exploiting a recent minor tragedy << would work without the 2nd recent too
mircea_popescu: yeah, you gotta document the kick.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta document the kick
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAeJJW )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government << is pretty plainly a 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' gambit on usg's part
shinohai: I imagine there is an unseen strapon somewhere in that image.
asciilifeform: it's the one ~protocol~ vuln, yes
mircea_popescu: i've been saying for years it's the one vulnerability.
asciilifeform: as i understand, we already have a 'bezzle' in the net - the unmetered resource, 'blank cheque,' of the mempools. as all 'meat in the sun without flies', it is a very ephemeral thing
asciilifeform: so ^ then.
mircea_popescu: inclusion in one of these is valuable, and so a private deal can be had.
asciilifeform: how does the operator determine anything whatsoever re: the validity of 'mempool fee' addressed to him ?
asciilifeform: in the classical sense.
asciilifeform: the whole notion of a payment is defined in reference to blockchain
mircea_popescu: specifically : that at the very least it should not be possible for one to fire a missile at any place that scarfs up txn or knows about them and hit a miner.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool << I think one of the earliest XT "selling points" by Hearnia was this for some SpamFunder called "Lighthouse"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm hearing that argument can actually be had in favour of the mempool/minerpool layered implementation.
asciilifeform: but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool
mircea_popescu: ask me more questions about what this guy did in his basement. i enjoy the feelings of impotent frustration.
asciilifeform: (why not route tx straight to miners then. why have two classes of mining..?)
mircea_popescu: there has to be some import of market into mempool functioning.
mircea_popescu: this will give node operators an incentive to present good pools to the network.
mircea_popescu: even better if the behaviour is dynamic (ie, the minimum only kicks in if the mempool is over 1mb, and selects for optimal fill)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what i was trying to get across earlier is that the very concept of 'mempool spam' is presently undefined
assbot: Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAbORw )
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/
mircea_popescu: because people must at some point come to comprehend that they are responsible , at the very least for their own lives, and that the choices they make come with consequences, and the consequences will NOT negotiate.
asciilifeform: back to the more interesting point, we still have an unbounded data structure in there...
mircea_popescu: this is very important to ber there, plainly spelled out.
mircea_popescu: more deeply : there is exactly ZERO derivative work implied in the bitcoin foundation's releases. we don't use anything they did, for the explicit reason that everything they did is shit, with the furter implication that every man who ever worked for them WASTED THEIR LIFE.
asciilifeform grasps mircea_popescu's implication that 'the only winning move' in the decimal-point chase game with shitgnomes is 'not to play'
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros. << the problem is that the implication of having a 1 leading version (ie, mature product) is laughable. we don't. hopefully one day we will, but the current offering is not it.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i don't have a specific proposal except that the machine ~must not go down~
asciilifeform not professional spamatronicist, cannot say whether this makes a difference one way or another
mircea_popescu: looky here : they live in my shadow.
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of "consensus" that they have or something ? again ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the present situation is that they ~all~ 'get purged' when your box goes down.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i grasp the logic, but notice that we sit in the gigantic spamatronic shadow of the phoundation. if nobody gives a fuck, there isn't much else to be said about this
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if the valid tx's submitted to the network approach a large number that is greater than modest machine's memory capacicty
mircea_popescu: that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: there has been no version of bitcoin released past 0.5.3 ; we are releasing the first one. it's 0.5.4
mircea_popescu: we.do.not.care. this is because they.do.not.exist.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what means 'approach infinity' ? if tx is valid, nondoublespent, and has adequate fee, it is 'every bit as tx' as yours or mine
mircea_popescu: will you propose ~WE~ change the versioning number when (not if) some OTHER shitgnomes release a faux version downstream ?
asciilifeform: there he is.
asciilifeform: it is important to remember that there is no 'important' tx from the point of view of the network
asciilifeform: as i understand, they'd more or less have to be attempted doublespends
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: shooting the tx orphanage in the head rid us of the most obvious spam vector
mod6: Then I'm gonna need to cut away from working on that on Saturday afternoonish at the latest to work on the SoBA -- which is looking to be lengthy for this month.
mod6: im currenty building a new AMI for gentoo so I/we can test wtf is going on in there with gcc/uclibc. I should be done with that in a few hours.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ? << not me yet. there's a laundry list of stuff to get through yet.
asciilifeform: or some other 'green address'
asciilifeform: the ancient discredited retardation?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: but what about the instant stuff like green addres?!?!?!?
asciilifeform: afaik this is the last 'blank cheque' left in the skull'n'crossbones version of therealbitcoin
mod6: we could try some other version like 1.0.0.0 and see what happens i guess.
mod6: And if we wanna call it version 69.69.69.69 then there was some sort of concerns here surrounding weather or not we'd be able to connect to other nodes. I'd have to go back and look and dig through the code a bit though, I can't recall it all off hand.
asciilifeform: imho it ought to be distinguishable from shitgnomatic bitcoin with the naked eye, incl. in survey charts like the one linked a few days ago
mod6: so we've talked about the versioning quite a bit since October. The deal is, if we talk about nothing other than just the format ( X.X.X.X ), we know that we'll have to change much more code than just one line to give it a new version number, as there is a bunch of stuff in there that is used to parse this value.
trinque: thestringpuller: now you've got me listening to young jeezy over here
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it << just throw it on your mp3 player and start hustlin'
kakobrekla blames the css
mod6: if we do anything else other than 5.4, that'd probably be good cause otherwise we'll hvae to patch your patch. :]
asciilifeform: i'll sign an identical patch sans the bump if anyone needs this.
mod6: yeah, as far as the version number, in hindsight; going forward, we should probably keep all version bumps in it's own patch incase something changes. i.e. your latest IRC Full Demolition Patch.
kakobrekla: << usgtron with elaborate graph ad < meh i checked the yellow dots but there is everybody but bitbet. even jurovs coinroll is there
mod6: yeah i added the tarballs right in website myself... just was curious that i never saw the emails.
jurov: ^ i see rm_rf_upnp there
asciilifeform: ^ there
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs <<< ooh, ok.
mod6: asciilifeform: hmm, i can't find them. i've looked probably half-a-dozen times over the last 5 months. unless its contained in here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html (attachment.bin)
asciilifeform: (and i think they're also in your auto-build thing)
asciilifeform: mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs
asciilifeform: mod6: you're right! those pre-date the turdatron working correctly
asciilifeform: mod6: pretty sure it's in there
asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6320 << where they bury their shat-in pants
mod6: thestringpuller: nice man! yeah, that'll definately be a cool show.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey btw, I don't think that your patches { turdmeister-alert-snip && goodbye-win32 } ever made it into the email list.
thestringpuller: mod6: so jeezy is playing tonight downtown in celebration of the 10th anniversary of tm101. and i didn't know about it. i'm half tempted to get 500 cash and go find some ticket scalpers
BingoBoingo: <mod6> maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6? << They have been scrubbing the Github of old releases in recent months it seems
mod6: maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6?
mod6: oh yeah there is, nvm, im blind
mod6: maybe they never actually created a release out of that? I see no tags for 0.5.4 or 0.5.5
mod6: asciilifeform: ... 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed << that's weird. I did check the bitcoin git tag list, 0.5.4 isn't in there. Where do you see 0.5.4?
kakobrekla: i was expecting it to beat all other tube rectifiers i have
kakobrekla: the sound became unpleasant to listen to, harsh, loss in detail and huge loss in soundstage
kakobrekla: i assume thats in the ss replacement
decimation: I suspect the difference would be most noticable if you were using it as a guitar amp and then driving the thing to distort
kakobrekla: yeah theres a thing with harmonics
decimation: but if you are clipping or have momentarily large signal, the behavior in the 'non-linear' domain of the amplifier will be different between tubes and transistors
decimation: I think for most cases there is almost no difference
kakobrekla: decimation as far as i can tell tubes are there as output buffer, feeding of sigma delta dac
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros.
decimation: kakobrekla: so the sigma-delta is implented with tube or does it merely use tube as output amplifier?
kakobrekla: hehe the foundation has same name, wai not versions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: i just don't get this 'let's use same name & versions as the fools did' thing. when we build martian city, will we name it 'washington' or 'pyongyang' ?! why?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: most of the sw is opensource btw.
shinohai: I didn't know anyone still made them.
shinohai: I saw a Samsung tube amp wifi receiver for a home theater once
kakobrekla: (as for the remote, you can actually ssh into it)
kakobrekla: so thats bout 2k albums at the touch of a button, convenient.
kakobrekla: it streams flac from the server
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what are the antennae for ?
kakobrekla: its a sigma delta , yes not even r2r but theres a rectifier and two output tubes
asciilifeform has a supply of vacuum valves, scavenged from ancient tv sets, has contemplated building amp. but this will happen - if happens - after the war.
kakobrekla: anyway, if you have a chance to at least try them semi properly driven, please do.
kakobrekla: yeah, i paid 7$ to get the 'velour' ones
asciilifeform: even the earpads on the 'superlux' feel terrible - no sweat pores; rather like a public bus seat
asciilifeform: let me guess - they aren't standard impedance ?
kakobrekla: this is what they are plugged into http://www.hifiengine.com/images/model/denon_pma-350se_stereo_integrated_amplifier.jpg
asciilifeform: thing is, sound card is precisely how loud i want them
asciilifeform: what does kakobrekla connect them to ?
shinohai: I like the Russian idiom
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://sgate.emt.bme.hu/patai/publications/z80guide/part4.html << considering all the work one has to go through to mult. i dunno, i recalled it had the instruction. i guess memory rots.
asciilifeform: (barrel shifter, named for the characteristic physical shape of the circuit on the die, allows shifting n bits in one clock cycle)
asciilifeform: mats: this is a pretty major result, imho. because the cpld products haven't changed in nearly a decade, and their internal structure is extremely regular (no special-purpose blocks)
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills!
mircea_popescu: <punkman> "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too." << "because they've not done anything worth the mention so perhaps if we do they start ?"
mircea_popescu: he has a point tho. anyone feel like writing up a documentation page for trinque to stick up there ?
mircea_popescu: provided silverware comes into fashion with the chinese middle class or something
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i think i had a cup there with mthreat coupla weeks ago. coffee's not bad
decimation: it's a colossal joke that this ruling gets handed down by the king's judges, in the 800th year of the magna carta - which itself was a joke and used as propaganda
decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-usa-court-healthcare-idUSKBN0P51V220150625 < ""Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them," Roberts wrote in the court's decision, adding that nationwide availability of the credits is required to "avoid the type of calamitous result that Congress plainly meant to avoid.""
shinohai: America the beautiful: http://www.biebuzz.com/2015/06/a-man-from-alabama-has-been-charged.html
punkman: oh they got virtual marches nao
punkman: "please show your support by joining our Virtual March to the White House, using the hashtag #DearMrPresident."
punkman: "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too."
Anduck: no code either
Anduck: there's no documentation about that.
cazalla: shinohai, did ya know mark dice is A) major clickbait faggot B) goes around offering gold coins and silver bars really cheap but when someone tries to take him up on the offer, he refuses and just edits the footage so as not to include it
davout: shinohai: if you want to improve your crypto skills do the matasano challenges
mircea_popescu: that's basically the idea here. 4k is large enough, 8k doesn't improve anything.
davout: there's a difference between a key size being considered insecure and an algorithm being broken
davout: if the symmetric cipher security isn't based on the intractability of factoring large numbers you can't really tell which one will be broken before the other
davout: isn't aes the symmetric cipher used by GPG?
mircea_popescu: fore the other, at that level it would doubtlessly be cheaper to crack the symmetric cypher involved
mircea_popescu: there is no serious benefit offered by a key larger than 4096. for one thing, we don't currently have any reason to believe even 2k keys can actually be factored.
davout: if you need to change the code in two places to change a single scalar
shinohai: I certainly don't want to do anything that compromises the security f my key intentionally.
shinohai: Good morning, #b-a. If there is a gpg expert here that has a moment to spare I have a question.
cazalla: some japanese variety, forget the name
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176185 <<< you actually finished them off? bit shocked tbh
cazalla: in other australian news - http://i.imgur.com/fw7Fq8z.png - aussie government welfare app #22, they must be quite happy with that
cazalla: i've never known anyone to go to the sydney opera house for opera, not so sure they even have such things on a reg occurance, more bands, abo dance, international acts sorta thing
mircea_popescu: hard to find these days tho. lotta crap.
cazalla: this extends as far back as school excursions to the stupid fucking place
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 05:28:25; decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175887 <<< i might be uncultured swine but i've never understood the appeal of the opera house.. i'd demolish it if i had my way
fromphuctor: in the meantime, I'll probably script something that sends my file to Phuctor repeatedly until I stop getting an error.
fromphuctor: alright, sleeves need to be rolled up. I'll probably have to dig into ASN.1, extract the public keys, and then try factoring them with a kludged together Python script
fromphuctor: so Phuctor's main advantage is that it retains the information it has gained by going through all the other keys?
mircea_popescu: a) if you're looking for binaries it's unlikely your key is your weak point ; b) gcd is an algorithm, i guess you could call it a function. "greatest common divisor" ; c) P is at the core of this, as it looks for MUTUAL divisors
fromphuctor: gcd as in the math function? does it exist in a binary?
mircea_popescu: well, an implementation of gcd is what you need, and the P
fromphuctor: is there code I can run locally to attempt to factor it and save Phuctor's CPU time?
mircea_popescu: it's most likely failure due to the fact that the apache bit is last in line at the cpu through
fromphuctor: I figured it was either failing due to the key being too large or due to it not being published anywhere
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor well atm it's working through a lengthy list of keys already extant on the sks servers.
mircea_popescu: cazalla yes, very amusing how the stupid brain doesn't merely fail to work, but manages to work contrary t osense. you'd think this has to be engineered, but apparently iot comes naturally
cazalla: also amusing they related a bitcoin transaction with fraud when it is really the antithesis to that sorta thing (except humble bundle who rumour is got carded big time for gaming codes using coinbase)
mircea_popescu: "Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street"
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck the world's coming to an end over here. nobody seems to be doing any work anymore.
cazalla: on basis i have never left the shores of australia.. i reluctantly agree
mircea_popescu: the funny thing to me is that the general internet population assumes nationality = residence.
cazalla: the amusing part about this, to me anyway, is that /r/bitcoin often promotes bitcoin for use in such countries because of paypal's antics
mircea_popescu: heck, i'm on the record buying bitcoins with it.
mircea_popescu: business verified, the works.
mircea_popescu: they keep changing names every thirty weeks too, like any internet scammer.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you can take the boy out of romania...
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i care to deal with such idiots ? if they had the golden goose, why would i ? they don';t know enough about selling to sell me on their own fucking salesmanship already
mircea_popescu: let aloine the "do you motherfuckers take bitcoin" point, no specs are offered whatsoever. i can't see what fucking sites they run
mircea_popescu: anbd in today's installment we find that online ad networks are positively fucking insane. the kabuki seems to be, "we serve up some html heavy pages of random nouns and you sign up".
eatinstrawberry: u felloff the wagns?
cazalla: eatinstrawberry, ya having a few drinks there vexual?
fourhunderdtypes: " of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made. " < this mustbe in my ballet
fourhunderdtypes: the morrocan hash is heavy tho
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6v9czop681qg8ft2o1_1280.jpg << i confess the thigh ankle leather wraps are a splendid idea.
mircea_popescu: wut, bushwhacker humour not appreciated in the west end ?! WHO KNEW!!!
decimation: I heard that marrying a white girl is the same as selling an abo gasoline
decimation: but mainly your government seems to want to control the internet
decimation: "Incredibly, the second train?s driver, Connie Conner, proceeded into L?Enfant Plaza even after she heard her counterpart in the train a few hundred feet ahead asking for clearance to reverse course and return to the station. A controller says she twice ordered Ms. Conner to stop her train short of the station; Ms. Conner denies it."