decimation: "Every intelligent person in socioeconomics had his theory, probabilities, scenarios,
decimation: From Taleb: "In one of the rare noncharlatanic books in finance, descriptively called What I Learned Losing a Million Dollars, the protagonist makes a big discovery. He remarks that a fellow named Joe Siegel, one of the most successful traders in a commodity called ?green lumber,? actually thought that it was lumber painted green (rather than freshly cut lumber, called green because it had not been dried). And he made it his professio
ben_vulpes: there's your research task for showing up
tcrypt: ben_vulpes: sorry, was the "who're you?" directed toward me? I'm just a dude interested in assets on the blockchain
ben_vulpes: there's about a mile of difference between an 'app' that does god-knows-what on your iPnohe and a piece of code that...can be inspected.
decimation: ideally it would be nice to have call graphs that trace the movement of data
ben_vulpes: ah they're probably deprecating some old api, pete_dushenski
scoopbot_revived: Audible's app is another symptom of the Update-Upgrade Disease. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/29/audibles-app-is-another-symptom-of-the-update-upgrade-disease/
mod6: www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/diagrams.html << check out the section about half way down that says "elements in the graphs generated by the dot tool have the following meaning:"
ben_vulpes: i wonder what red/black/grey boxes around the files mean.
ben_vulpes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/net_8cpp.html << aha this is great
mod6: i should add that i can make these SVG graphs too, if that seems like it might be somehow better
mod6: alright, try it out here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/
mod6: out of like 1600 odd graphs, only ~1450 actually have a config with the standard directional line in there "rankdir"
mod6: i've orientated them Top->Bottom "TB"
mod6: i think maybe they should go the other direction tho? so anyway, I'm gonna put up a temp/test dir so you guys can take a look
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis re: model t, i suppose would be better
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis Model T: "i am a beta fuck"-mobile. thoughts?
BingoBoingo: No, some of the gas station mugs share that similar shape and coloration
cazalla: but what is the drink?
decimation: but in another way (ie unwinding call graphs) it would be 'easier' if the preprocessor macros were unwound
mod6: take a look through here if you like: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/
decimation: in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled
ben_vulpes: decimation: the bitcoind sources
decimation: mod6: are you trying to make a 'dot' graph of the blockchain?
mod6: lot more config would be required to get them narrow enough to be "nice"
mod6: but.. problem is, these aren't much better top to bottom than left to right, they're still gonna be pretty wide.
mod6: ok this can be done, one must turn off DOT_CLEANUP then do some scripting to iterate through all of the .dot files created and then sed the rankdir out of the config.
ben_vulpes: this does make for an interesting question of what to do with the chain after an interstitial block has been snarfed - reverify everything? do nothing?
mod6: I haven't quited figured out yet how to make this happen.. but there is a way to do this, somehow.
mod6: ascii_field: ok, so there is a way to signal to the dot graph utility to build a graph in a given direction. the default seems to be R->L, and there are only 3 given options: RL, LR, or BT. And if you give it no directional option, it seems to do Top->Bottom which is what we want I think. This thing is quite customizable actually.
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 18:10:20; mircea_popescu: i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181148 <<< i'll need to confirm this with the embassy
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 19:58:44; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can haz the url of phuctored key preserved in bot ? ty
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179154 << Done. It -should- spit out a link to teh actual URL now instead of just the RSS feed
trinque: insofar as the LSB thing took
trinque: the filesystem hierarchy standard is as lulzy as TLDs
trinque: because there needed to be a /var/etc, that's why.
ascii_field: ^ re: the 'did rms know' thread of a few days ago
ascii_field: The SC is different from the SC in projects like gcc in that it does not make decisions. On this front nothing changed. The only difference is that Stallman now has no right to complain anymore since the SC he wanted acknowledged the status quo. I hope he will now shut up forever.'
ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering committee" (SC).
ascii_field: so it doesn't matter if the thing is a stub
mod6: oh btw, here's a snippit of my bitcoin compile of the full stator: http://dpaste.com/0VMQTY8.txt
ascii_field: not really. if you invoke dns at all in a glibc proggy, you get the libnss idiocy
davout: and that was possible before? before the removal of dns crud?
ascii_field: which, in practice, requires a whole toolchain built against the custom glibc
ascii_field: and apparently the only way to remove it is to build glibc from scratch and link against it
ascii_field: but the 'gconv' retardation remains
ascii_field: davout: there is no longer any invocation of dns (in my set)
davout: but it wasn't possible before because of the dynmic dns glibc crap or do i misunderstand something here?
ascii_field: davout: 'stator for pogo' is just the old 'portatronic'
mircea_popescu: nobody even remembers what the t was originally.
mircea_popescu: unt is the best in this line.
davout: i need to sink some time into building stator bitcoind for the pogo
mircea_popescu: some pig or other
scoopbot_revived: The Chicken Scribblin' Kronicles - A Look Under Eulora's Short and Knee-Length Future http://trilema.com/2015/the-chicken-scribblin-kronicles-a-look-under-euloras-short-and-knee-length-future/
trinque: shinohai: heh! I've run into ascii_field's posts around the net plenty of times on common lisp quest too
shinohai: I was musing bout bitcoind under a very tiny platform like busybox and found this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000083.html
trinque: has s-exps in his hand, invents alternate syntax for encoding the "metadata" of pages
ascii_field would love to, but would have to buy a gpu card, cobble together a box to put it in... and, on top of it all, a 27th hour on the clock
ascii_field: anybody else (including mircea_popescu) compare their block hashes with those posted last night ?
mircea_popescu: but the latest comer to "we're a website, we print numbers" side of "financial services" is nevertheless amusing.
mircea_popescu: i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day
punkman: cash or other arrangement
mircea_popescu: or wait, the original was cyprus i think
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 16:38:45; punkman: in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181115 << are they gonna take everyone's money again ?
mircea_popescu: "So began an extraordinary course of events that saw her tweet shared more than 600 times, kick-starting a viral scandal which resulted in the 72-year-old academic"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181092 << this is thge major problem, the fact bureaucrats manage to hide behind anonimity.
trinque: where's the govt protection for shoe cobblers, butter churners?
punkman: in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181090 << this is the 'next james watson' isnnit
mod6: so if i do a `pmap -x <PID>`, i do see: gconv-modules.cache in there.
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 14:48:57; mod6: so ok, yeah was an environment issue. was able to build the whole orchestra. can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
scoopbot_revived: The power of discernment. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/29/the-power-of-discernment/
decimation: also, these escaped convicts in new york were just summarily executed?
mike_c: ben_vulpes: "I want to know who does this: ./proggy -? to get documentation" << that's the default on windows
mod6: so ok, yeah was an environment issue. was able to build the whole orchestra. can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181014 <<< i don't think it works enough to combat the effects of loose chicken skin.. do this one with the lights off i guess
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arvo | arvo. One of the many words that Australians have cut syllables off and replaced with "-o". This one represents the hours after 12pm, and is used by people, ...
cazalla: in other news, i spent the arvo putting in another raised garden bed (4.2m x 1.8m), red gum is a really nice timber
mircea_popescu: flaying obese people alive and stuffing small african children in the sack of flesh idem.
mircea_popescu: least likely to occur outcome these days huh.
mircea_popescu: mind their own fucking business ?
mircea_popescu: and it's not a matter of "sex" or "omnipresent" or "influence". sex is the basis of all social interaction. education is not an abstract or abstractable abstraction, but social intercourse, exactly like fucking, exactly like seduction, exactly like any other social behaviour.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel a) people who aren't being educated aren't being educated, mmkay. why is my model of education supposedly failing to take into account things which aren't part of the field ? b) it was a disucssion of humor, references a quote, from al ink. saw link ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, shamming is an attempt to exert control and correction on the part of the target. With hate you don't have to emotionally commit to hoping the target corrects, until they do they are simply trashfolk.
assbot: 'Look at the state of you. You're disgusting': Women loses over 10 stone after being humiliated when a man threw a drink over her on a night out because of her size | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDmDUf )
gabriel_laddel: Today I moved my entire development flow for hacking on bitcoind into an Ubuntu 14.04 virtual machine. This is just a stopgap until I get the time to build a fresh Linux tower with which I'll undertake Gentoo Quest. Again. For real this time, I swear."
gabriel_laddel: "This has lead to no end of headaches when hacking on the bitcoind source. I've built bitcoinds in Docker containers and shipped them off to virtualized servers in The Cloud, I've built them in virtual machines local to my own development machine and run them in the selfsame VMs, and I even burned a few hours today attempting to compile bitcoin nat
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: also, I don't understand what "trilema.com/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/" has to do with anything
gabriel_laddel: That "sex" is omnipresent and influences human choice is a rather obvious observation that I can't *do* anything with.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Even after taking a walk I wasn't able to digest your point whatsoever. Your model doesn't take into account a large number of things e.g., people who silently do their homework and never speak with the prof.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov please nuke the size limit on turdatron
mircea_popescu: poor mod6 lol/ nothing comes easy to the bsd crowd
asciilifeform: the 'words' thing is asinine
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 00:53:18; asciilifeform: now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !
decimation: was it in the email
asciilifeform: a bit of a hasty job, forgot the 'dest' thing
asciilifeform is dumping and hashing all of the blocks he sucked from mircea_popescu's box earlier
decimation: bitched about mktemp "(.text+0x774d): warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'"
mod6: yeah, i hit that small problem too... i had other issues further down the line. thanks, i must just have an environment issue.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Built the whole thing. Hung up once because I was using .gz boost archive instead of .bz2
mod6: BingoBoingo: did you build the whole thing with the stator.sh script? or did you just build bitcoind? or are you running the static binary provided?
mircea_popescu: imagine the inconvenience of trying to diddle history with this arrangement.
mircea_popescu: or at any rate the first publicly known one.)
mircea_popescu: (afaik this would be the first example of a closed loop, which is to say a cyuclicity i nthe graph of modification dependencies
mircea_popescu: certainly can go into deedbot. which will go into the blockchain. which... inception
BingoBoingo: Not yet. Build... took some time... will try to get further in sync first
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the block dumper patch yet ?
BingoBoingo: Built on the Phreetop running linux Mint 17.1 (because lazy)
mircea_popescu: (note that at the current rate, it'd have been a lifetime)
asciilifeform: and did mircea_popescu ever learn of a cause for the nonsense in question ?
mircea_popescu: but hopefully this fixes the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the bad news is that it looks like node will be off for something like 24 hours.
mircea_popescu: the only stable solution is in any case willing submitting to chosen people. and there should be no room for "state" anywhere once that's done.
mircea_popescu: that said, it'd be incredible cultural progress for the us if it actually was a little funnier.
mircea_popescu: societies exhibiting an incredibly exacerbated "making fun" cancer have been recorded. they still have the same problems with demagogues and peoples' general emotional insanity. humor is no panacea.
mircea_popescu: hould be, we can see how askew they can get, and we can recognize distortion when we are confronted with it. << for the record, this is rank nonsense. it only seems to work because americans are the worst of all german stocks - incredibly stolid, unhumorous fellows.
mircea_popescu: Along these lines, Meerloo offers a prescription: We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse. Humor is, after all, related to a sense of perspective. If we can see how things s
mod6: Ok, I'll for sure revisit this after the doc is done. I think this one is gonna be lengthy, just wanna make sure I get that done.
mircea_popescu: these are unsubstantial, purely nominalist problems
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel's committing this error where he's proposing that since he's not fucking the girl, he's not in love with her ; asciilifeform is committing this error where since there was a building in the vicinity of the learning, the building is now a school.
mod6: I have to pull up from this and work on the SoBA now. Otherwise would have normally given you all kinds of dpastes/asked for help. But instead, I'm just going to look back into this after the start of the month. I hope that's alright.
asciilifeform: what was the sexual element in 'come back with operating system in 6 weeks or go flip burgers' ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the notion that one can educate outside of a sexual context is not unlike the notion that one can write code without reading any.
assbot: "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0c4Ym )
mircea_popescu: "I think the reason there is so little comedy thats funny today is the genre itself has been hijacked by the humorless PC crowd." <<-->> http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/
gabriel_laddel: And the probably also the straight(?) mathematican I had a conversation with last weekend.
gabriel_laddel: Hrm. Perhaps I should have said "not everyone sees everything through the lense of sexual attraction constantly" - myself being a prime example.
mircea_popescu: it is with great sorrow i say the above, no sort of anticipation.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel your protest is not unlike protesting everything on earth gotta spin around the sun.
asciilifeform: the better schools use a kind of 'riker's island' approach anyway
mircea_popescu: if nobody had taught poettering how to write, the loss ?
gabriel_laddel: EVERYTHING MUST REVOLVE AROUND SEX ALL THE TIME
asciilifeform: somebody's gotta teach the damn stuff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most mathematicians hate teaching anyway
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 02:28:44; mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180855 << the non-gay mathematicians et al will have problems with this algo
mircea_popescu: "The fuel, as usual, is the emotional blackmail of people of goodwill, the uses of mass mobilization to exploit that goodwill, then, finally, to render all such goodwill meaningless."
mircea_popescu: http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << not a bad read actually.
decimation: oh I thought that was just the binary
asciilifeform: it's in the tarball
decimation: I was gonna, but gave up trying to get the pile of dependent patches
mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.
gabriel_laddel: "we assume you can read, write and do simple mathematics - now build some rockets and jungle IC on the cheap"
mircea_popescu: a) you can't educate "a class". individuals only ; b) you can't educate people you don't, most intimately, know ; c) there's no education outside of the educated's choice.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: It seems to me that the academy should educate kids of ages 15 and older, so you have something to work with.
mircea_popescu: how about you educate your children pre-puberty, and whoever they feel like educates them post ?
gabriel_laddel: Sort of like a club for kids whose parents are on the up and up
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: there are not many real people in my locale that I get to play with :/
gabriel_laddel: I'd sort of imagined the camus as a set of WoT-enabled buildings.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot
mircea_popescu contemplates a future where the only tuition is prostitution.
mircea_popescu: the profit is to be made in flesh.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: so there will be no making a (slight) profit educating other's youngsters?
mircea_popescu: incredible the amount of innovation simply sprouting forth from the ground once someone says "nobody asked you anything" @ the usual barnacles.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the kind of patch I was implying
decimation: "It?s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it?s large print or small."
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ben_vulpes: in other news
asciilifeform: trinque: btw, it is my understanding that most of the opengenera enthusiasts are using the 'snap4' unofficial warez x86-64 port now
trinque: if it doesn't work or ya decide you want the box yourself, no worries
asciilifeform: but there is a time and place for it
asciilifeform: because it sorta defeats the whole point of a p2p gizmo
asciilifeform: i'm not thrilled with the idea of folks doing this as daily practice
asciilifeform: forgot the
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell agorecki how's the learning coming along ?
asciilifeform: trinque: you can have one for the cost of postage
asciilifeform: trinque: dks used to supply the mac and video board to go with it, when you bought from him
trinque: asciilifeform: since the performa in question was five bucks, I wont be too sad if it ends up in the garbage
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does the thing we spoke of
trinque: 2k's outside the historic artifact collection budget for now
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll e-mail him, but read chatter from the last few years about not getting replies from the guy
asciilifeform: ^ there he is!
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 01:09:31; trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180722 << have you tried buying from the fella who is living in a warehouse full of'em ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fix it yourself. this can be part of you signing the thing 'i read it...'
ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments
ben_vulpes: pissing in mother crypto.
trinque: I can put whatever I like in the blockchain
trinque: ben_vulpes: had a vague thought re: putting buys/sells in the blockchain somehow
trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out
ben_vulpes: what's with the odd indentation on 35/6?
asciilifeform: and iirc the BuildMerkleTree() is not necessary
asciilifeform: now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !
mats: did anyone ever buy a pallet of em or whatever the plan was?
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ben_vulpes: http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << "resistance through culture"
trinque: ah turns out it had an original hypercard already on there from 1996
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've used a couple. I like the strong lines they put in the grass, but they cut so short
asciilifeform: it is barely a step above the original 'cadr' machine
asciilifeform: 'explorer' was the crappy texas instruments lispm
trinque: that's another I think
asciilifeform: you can get these from dave schmidt, virginia, usa
trinque: lisp machine board for the mac of some sort
trinque: asciilifeform: it does seem as per your write-up, that there was a far more inventive apple once upon a time, which jobs put to a stop in favor of iOS appification
asciilifeform: get the real one
mats: "There are still too many people out there who think (or even insist) that static linking has benefits. This has never been the case and never will be the case." this guy...
cazalla: seriously though, i enjoy mowing the lawn, that fresh cut look, the smell, the goodies for my compost
cazalla: i wish i could mow the lawn every day
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. << not jam tomorrow, then?
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 19:13:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180504 << still need it, to, e.g., keep lusers from taking shits into the mempool
mircea_popescu: what's needed is a fucking ISCS. the intellectual state of computer science.
mircea_popescu: just biding their time, waiting for a good opportunity, honest! wanted to do maximum damage, and as we all know, ~MAXIMUM~ damage is always in the future.
mircea_popescu: they really did mean to assassinate hitler!
mircea_popescu: imo nsa of 1999 was much better organised than the crap of today.
mircea_popescu: "You don't have to boot frmo the CDROM. And if you need a router you have a network and therefore can connect to another machine."
mircea_popescu: like the ornamental tree stuffs.
mircea_popescu: just don't put anything coniferous / wallnut in there.
decimation: ^ note that this is how people made fertiziler since the dawn of time
mircea_popescu: horsesht the only way to go.
mircea_popescu: not very useful, for your thing will not be either that wet or that basic. very acidic
mircea_popescu: and i did add the wood clippings, ie, me cutting off an apple and a pear tree into shape over a coupla years, after having been neglected for 5ish
mircea_popescu: also rots. also provides nutrients. can be split up over the yard beforer first snow.
decimation: mircea_popescu: generally here the received wisdom is that you want to leave grass clippings on the lawn