ascii_field: trinque: important to remember that these folks are just as powerless to do constructive things as they are to do serious damage
trinque: it's their turn to be forgotten.
thestringpuller: I always wondered about archiving the most idiotic of the reddit comments on bitcoin somewhere as entertainment
thestringpuller: nigga, hate fuels MPOE stock prices. we'll probably be able to trade hate as a currency soon with all the butthurt.
decimation: http://blog.bofh.it/id_456 < "Short summary: if these emails are true, and so far nobody has found any credible reason to believe that they are not, then some major italian ISPs hijacked the IP addresses of a foreign ISP on request of the section of the Carabinieri which investigates terrorism and organized crime."
Adlai: who knows how many log-lurkers there are!
trinque: the luser final solution.
Adlai: tbpfh, wotnet could be build using the shell, even pre-rebirth
Adlai: which is largely how the <western nation> lost <war> long before the first grunt printed the first boot in the desert
ascii_field: this entire line of thought is not entirely disconnected from the 'transaction spam' thread
ascii_field: ~precisely~ in order to get us to switch them off
ascii_field: in particular, www gateways to gossip net will necessarily resemble the 'bathyscaphe' i described above
ascii_field: my current hypothesis is that all the relevant folks are waiting for 'gossipd' and don't give much of a fuck
fluffypony: danielpbarron: the lyrics are my favourite: http://artists.letssingit.com/basshunter-lyrics-boten-anna-translated-to-english-4z56w84
ascii_field: meanwhile taleb and uncleal will log in, witness a thread about dogecoin, then get a flood of ddos, vomit, and never return
ascii_field: i can already guess what mircea_popescu will say to this: 'we don't dignify sp4mz0rz by reacting to anything they do'
ascii_field: one possible idea re: how to let n00bs speak: host a few 'bathyscaphe' bots, having www-based chat on one end and a pre-regged cloaked account on the other. but if a bozo connect to one, can be signalled from here to add his ip to ban list.
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 14:52:12; Adlai: if you mean lurking for ips through uncloaked hosts... the uncloaked fools should know better -_-
williamdunne: jurov: There was a thought process behind it, but not a though process to be proud of.
shinohai: Halls of the #b-a monastery
kakobrekla: what, dont you dare to press the button?
asciilifeform bbl, off to the uranium mines
decimation: but there exists a class of non-irc-savvy people who are actual people
decimation: well, that was kinda the conclusion last time
Adlai: if you mean lurking for ips through uncloaked hosts... the uncloaked fools should know better -_-
Adlai: mats is right.anybody doing ddos-botting is already feeding links into the channel
asciilifeform: all of them
asciilifeform: FUCK THEM
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't understand why there has to be anything random about it
asciilifeform: who wants just to read - can read the www log
Adlai: well there is something to be said for openness, although "requests will be honored by default" is still rather open
asciilifeform: what do we need the idling remoras for ?
asciilifeform: i still don't see why kakobrekla doesn't make the chan invite-only. anyone who wants in would pm one of the folks speaking. just like voice currently works
decimation: he might have come back after the latest excitement
shinohai: I had snapshill bot working so perfect before the blackout
shinohai: ^ therealbitcoin heh
shinohai: I like stirring thee pot with r/crypto too.
BingoBoingo: I stopped submitting qntra to reddit myself, because I'd rather just make reddit a more miserable place on my own without the bunny drawing aggro
BingoBoingo: Also F2Pool celebrating the TxMarket https://blockchain.info/tx/cb550c9a1c63498f7ecb7bafc6f915318f16bb54069ff6257b4e069b97b367c8?show_adv=true
assbot: Bitcoin price rallies sharply as robust transaction fee market develops proving the naysayers were wrong. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRPMbS )
shinohai: but i goofed somewhere and my static build isn't very static on the pogo.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I don't have a formal patch for this, just a recipe in dpaste. Not comfortable enough to formally submit. All it is supposed to do is allow you to set the -minrelaytxfee flag in Bitcoin.conf which isn't a big deal because if you are building it you can just change the number in main.h
shinohai: I have to do another build sometime this weekend I guess
BingoBoingo: So recovered the instance of bitcoind-stator-minrelaytxfeeconfflag to resume old stator's sync. And now I started it on a fresh one.
scoopbot_revived: What the market is and what it isn't. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/10/what-the-market-is-and-what-it-isnt/
BingoBoingo still amazed at the difference between http://dpaste.com/3XVTZ6H and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files seriously can't wait for that tool to measure behavior to tell if it actually works.
mircea_popescu: from that "how start-up fails" angle, for the collector.
BingoBoingo: So stator with experimental minrelaytxfee option patch was syncing well as a drop in replacement for previous stator on testbed then laptop became unplugged and battery dead. Restarted with -rescan because BDB hates stopping suddenly and the blockindex is screwed.
mircea_popescu: lots of these neh ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Well with the superhero movies now it the standard seems to be signing the actors to 7-10 movie long contracts.
mircea_popescu: right. no more of that "seinfeld doesn't wanna do more shows so he gets a bn dollars and then decides when to end the series"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good. << This. Also they don't have to write new stories which they couldn't.
mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the screen guild stands for it, but... it does.
mircea_popescu: wear the fucking mask.
mircea_popescu: answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good.
mircea_popescu: question : why all these masked "hero" bullshits ?
mircea_popescu: which is yet another "dude in scooba gear" "movie".
punkman: "Gogglebox is a British observational documentary which has aired on Channel 4 since 7 March 2013. The show features recurring couples, families and friends from across the United Kingdom sitting in their living rooms watching weekly British television shows."
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 04:44:37; asciilifeform: galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196364 << only failed because the euros decided to waste moar moneyz
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 03:55:37; decimation: surely the market is nonzero
mircea_popescu: punkman the time intervals don't at all match a ddos. that's usually a 5 minute stay.
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 03:14:47; asciilifeform: ~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx
punkman: (no ddos, he closed the page both times)
punkman: Al walked in when the doge was derping, unfortunate
mircea_popescu: heh i also had the wrong one up. nm
punkman: asciilifeform: iirc 2 chokes on just about anything other than straight ascii << I rarely have problems with that
punkman: trinque: this python-gnupg is a motherfucking piece of shit << which one are you using?
decimation to bed, to dream of all the lion's mouths into which his head is voluntarily stuck
decimation: I suppose now is the time to buy your H-maser
decimation: there's a huge difference between selective availablity and turning off service
decimation: not for precision approach in heavy weather anyway
assbot: What would be the consequences of reinstating GPS selective availability? - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaTsC )
asciilifeform: http://www.quora.com/What-would-be-the-consequences-of-reinstating-GPS-selective-availability
Vexual: don't be messing with the 55 track!
decimation: that's a big deal, especially with all the aircraft around wash dc
asciilifeform: they do.
decimation: it would be interesting to know if they actually jam gps
decimation: if over a civilized area there are going to be lots of innocent bystanders
decimation: asciilifeform: sure, but it takes balls to pull the trigger
decimation: http://www.insidegnss.com/node/3054 "“We'll be ready to launch the first GPS III in 2015, but it now appears the next generation GPS Operational Control System, or OCX, won't be ready for about a year or two after that,” General William L. Shelton, commander of Air Force Space Command told attendees at the 28th Annual National Space Symposium. "
decimation: http://gpsworld.com/next-gen-gps-ground-control-system-in-question/ "A March 2013 report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) seems to claim that the projected cost of the next-generation GPS ground-control system, known as OCX, increased by 43 percent, or $1 billion over the past year, to a total cost estimate of $3.7 billion."
decimation: usg can no longer employ/manage to keep the thing running
asciilifeform: sorta one of the places i was going with ntp.
asciilifeform: anybody's guess whether gps will decay from sat attrition (as glonas did in the 'roarin' 90s' ru) before usa implodes, civilian aviation on its territory Officially ends, and public freebie is turned off
decimation: to the point where it's probably almost unthinkable unless under threat of immediate attack
decimation: hitler would only do this (in a civilized place) at the cost of massive disruption to many things
decimation: yeah I think there are still two encrypted signals
asciilifeform: idea being that hitler can order the public band jammed, when he wants.
asciilifeform: other thing re: gps is that there is ~still~ an encrypted band (as of a few yrs ago, ~two~ separate ones)
decimation: "Aircraft conducting WAAS approaches must possess certified GPS receivers, which are much more expensive than non-certified units. In 2006, Garmin's least expensive certified receiver, the GNS 430W, had a suggested retail price of US$10,750.[27]"
decimation: ^ attempts to correct for the ionoshere messing with the gps frequency band as it goes through
assbot: Wide Area Augmentation System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY9pyq )
asciilifeform: decimation: there was no money
asciilifeform: galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it
asciilifeform: there was a whole industry, almost, devoted to this.
asciilifeform: neatly cancelling out the fuzz
asciilifeform: one interesting aspect of the 'selective availability' era was that folks would actually collect the crud and broadcast... corrections! from an accurately-surveyed point
asciilifeform: 'give us root or we'll shoot' was the actual statement
asciilifeform: (if anyone remembers the old eu/galileo thread, where usg pissed and moaned about not being given root on galileo)
asciilifeform: clinton's announcement was a little disingenuous - the random noise is gone, yes, and the recent sats don't have it - however they do have option of beam-forming and denying gps to geography of hitler's choice
Vexual: shit bb finds c++, suddenly both wrists show the same time, so is alfs predator time
decimation: the stability and accuracy of modern clocks actually enables a great deal of science and engineering
asciilifeform: ... or retired and he cut a zero or three of the price tags by repairing with own hands
asciilifeform: the fella collects, builds, clocks
asciilifeform: the traveling clocks against several atomic clocks left at home. Measurements confirmed that the clocks returned 22 nanoseconds ahead in time. ' << try sr at home!
asciilifeform: 'The talk concludes with a first-hand description of Project GREAT, perhaps the ultimate DIY clock experiment. Van Baak methodically selected three of his best portable cesium clocks, outfitted the family minivan (with his wife's permission) as a traveling time laboratory, and drove with his three children up the highest mountain in Washington State. After staying on Mt. Rainier for a long weekend they returned home to compare
asciilifeform: the 'leapsecond' blog is a goldmine
decimation: http://rondomvoetbal.nl/jonathan-steelt-punt-van-valleivogels/ apparently there's a paul okkerse who plays soccer
asciilifeform: that list oughta contain ~all~ the 4294967297 folk (see old log as to why)
decimation: Are these more pirate partai types
decimation: that's a neat project (the gps receiver)
asciilifeform: used to set the date and time. Not waterproof nor even water resistant. '
asciilifeform: 'The watch keeps time to a few nanoseconds per day. The attractive display is based on 7-segment red LED technology. Batteries are included (they last about 45 minutes but are rechargeable). AC adapter included. There are no adjustments for daylight saving time; however the clock does handle leap seconds and keeps track of the [Modified Julian] date. This HP wristwatch includes 5/10 MHz and 1 PPS outputs. An internal keypad is
decimation: surely the market is nonzero
decimation: asciilifeform: the thing that's odd is that this kind of feature isn't 'avaiable for any price'
decimation: also the timing hardware available on typical x86 is usually shitty
asciilifeform: superceding the usual clock
decimation: note, these are well beyon pedestrian clocks, only for folks who 'need' less than miliseconds per year
decimation: http://www.mti-milliren.com/ocxo_260_ocxo.html < this ocxo is as good as rubidium in terms of thermal stability
assbot: EEVblog #236 - FE-5680A Rubidium Standard Teardown | EEVblog - The Electronics Engineering Video Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0yiLs )
asciilifeform: or rather, why??!!!
BingoBoingo: It's only been a decade since I touched C++ source with anything other than delete key
mod6: me either
mod6: fair enough. i guess if it were me, it'd be great start to just dump the block txs to a file or STDOUT or something.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc. << ncurses instead of x11?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the return never happens
asciilifeform: how often is bad tx resulting from the use of some peculiar 'hearnia' ? (on my node - apparently, quite often)
asciilifeform: and how often is the latter a plausible result of bitrot
asciilifeform: ~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx
asciilifeform listens to the sound of silence
asciilifeform: see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc.
asciilifeform: oughta be able to watch the 'vital signs' of a node, if one wishes
asciilifeform: this is not seriously important in this case, but it follows 'unix philosophy' in the sense that a proggy returning false lets you use its failure as part of a shell script
asciilifeform: so you'd want to printf and then return false
mod6: but you'll get the general idea.
mod6: anyway, that link is a bit old as it describes the directories as: bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b
asciilifeform: congrats to BingoBoingo though, for taking the gloves off and going at the patch game
mod6: asciilifeform is quicker on the draw than me tonight.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i normally post patches after i read five times or so, and test them (to the point where 150,000+ blocks are pulled)
BingoBoingo: stator. I mean wrong version of the revision, lemme pull up init.cpp and fix this
asciilifeform: what version was the patch for ?
asciilifeform: for completeness, i will also mention the possibility that we (or what al can see of us in his light-cone) didn't pass his bozo filter.
asciilifeform: yes, it's in there.
asciilifeform: mod6: apologies, i had the 10-7 page up
mod6: check the log link I just posted above.
mod6: i don't see any splits in my log, but here's the log from b-a: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195623
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu when do we get the ddoser's head on a stick?
mod6: lemme check for split, and i'll paste the log.
asciilifeform: or the convo
mod6: no response to that either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so was the xemist guy nobody voiced actually al ?
asciilifeform: it would mean, if there is nothing peculiarly tight-lipped about mircea_popescucoind's logging mechanism, that no one has so much as tried throwing the recent blocks at it
mod6: hi mircea_popescu! ok thanks. ima shut it down for now. although, im gonna sync against it with obsd here in the next few days.. different env.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: No, dieded. Then had some marketing work I figured I ought to be doing
mod6: i'll get there though.
mod6: it's on the list.
mod6: but these problems arose during compiliation. and once the above was applied, was seemingly resolved.
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 02:57:07; mod6: no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok.
mod6: I see that nubs' gentoo sanity patch isn't applied, wanna get some testing in there. I'm putting a guide together so someone can patch by hand if they like.
mod6: anyway, it might not be a bad time for me to stop it now anyway, and break off to try some other things. I wanna test build stator on gentoo.
mod6: hrm. maybe im misinterpreted the output
mod6: ok, i had thought that I read somewhere that he said he was gonna let it be until he could examine the fork closer. I never could find it in the log though. Thought maybe I imagined it.
mod6: So I was stuck on block: 363734, then updated time, restarted bitcoind, now seem be be stuck on 363736 for >24 hours.
shinohai: Erik Voorhees to the rescue again http://coinivore.com/2015/07/09/litecoin-exchange-volume-outpaces-bitcoin-for-first-time/
BingoBoingo actually trying to put this knob together. ;;;;
mats: actually, strike that, having difficulty confirming whether he's actually an employee
williamdunne: Oh god, Eurola has got me looking over some of the work I had done previously. Not all of em' are good uns'
SuchWow: everytime i talk here, you all start bring up dogecoin - for the record, it has never once been me.
assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1INvd14 )
SuchWow: i haven't paid attention to dogecoin in the longest time
SuchWow: i will not register with anything for the ability to speak in an irc chan
SuchWow: yeah, no, i'm seriously too wasted (exhausted) to have much intelligent discourse. Thanks for the up tho, next time :)
SuchWow: whereas the speed of lol is somehow inversely proportional to the speed of gossip on the interent or some such
ben_vulpes: qntra for the writers
ben_vulpes: and giving some random noobs the opportunity to play bitcoinrpb
ben_vulpes: the difference between "fire and forget"
ben_vulpes: (that itself is drifting steadily along another axis)
ben_vulpes: but it's not so much the brain as the necessity of linearization of memory for things that travel along a 3-brane
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain << hear hear
SuchWow: shinohai: dogecoin is just what got me into crypo in dec 2013, i then daytraded btc/usc (and occasionally alts, plus a small mining venture) from Jan-July '13, and have been back to just working a day job for the last year or so
BingoBoingo: Ah, the pull request that created the -minrelaytxfee flag https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i want every token << you probably want the serialization insanity as well
SuchWow: is there a litecoin-assets yet lol
BingoBoingo: Ah, the minrelaytxfee flag I thought I was using was doing nothing, because it apparently didn't exist until 0.9
mircea_popescu: ima be in there in a few mins get you started :)
whaack: mircea_popescu: yes please, but I'm still working on getting the client running
williamdunne: Which 50% of the time wouldn't work
williamdunne: So the process was create frames in Photoshop, import to flash, add some actioncrap, and then export to scaleform
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well, IIRC it wasn't flash directly, but for some retarded reason they thought it'd be a good idea to reverse engineer the flash format so you'd do some coding and the design in adobe flash
mircea_popescu: usually how these things go
whaack: mircea_popescu: yeah it seems there was an instruction that was missing that was in the other sections, I've updated the wiki
asciilifeform not a big fan of the whole 'mempool' scheme, but has said this before, it's in the logz
asciilifeform: presently i'm not certain why i should give a fuck re: the spam
asciilifeform: last i saw, the 'spammer' was sending 'old coins' though
asciilifeform: the way i see it, what to relay is really a personal choice for node operator
mircea_popescu: give a look at the nix stuff maybe it clarifies ?
mircea_popescu: whaack the mac instructyions may be a little stale
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I am good enough at create new code. I might dig and mail code I pull from turdmeister's 0.7.3 version for this and getpeerinfo, unsure if I can put together something that *works*
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo the min fee thing isn't, as far as i can tell, in therealbitcoin. interested in writing a patch ?
whaack: (2) The last instruction says to run ./configure inside of eulora-src, but there is no configure file
whaack: If not, it seems that every instruction on the wiki should be .../eulora-src/Eulora/... instead of /eulora-src/
whaack: (1) When you unzip the tar you get a directory with Eulora, data-cs, and a readme. Do you want people installing the game to remove the data-cs and readme and rename the "Eulora" directory to eulora-src?
whaack: I'm working on installing the eulora client on mac, and I have two questions