ascii_field: who could just as easily be the one to have fallen into the honeypot 'fake btc exchange login'
ascii_field: i especially love how nobody suspects the isp
trinque: ascii_field: lol @ the "bad exit node" whack-a-mole
punkman: babies to all the new gay families?
ascii_field: themselves, idem ?
ascii_field: what do the urks intend to sell ?
phf: well, it was a recent mp thread, that i'm going to butcher, since i don't grok it fully yet, but it was something about how presence of the word already indicates the failure of described concept
ascii_field: phf: meanwhile, actual-open disappeared as a thing from the world
phf: ascii_field: novena's "open" is identity thing. kind of like "maker" means a person who buys lego pieces from adafruit website and then connects them using a tutorial. it just means that the buying demographic are the same people who have a handful of o'reilly books and run ubuntu
ascii_field: for subscribers of 'amazon', if you go for hong kong you can get one of the clones for ~$6 each (incl postage)
ascii_field bought a few of these boxes, of different makes
trinque: the whole thing stinks of bullshit
nubbins`: wow, typos in THREE of the listed addresses?
ascii_field: nah that was in the earlier one
nubbins`: then i apologize if repost
ascii_field: it still remains to be seen 1) whether a sane linux port is possible for these 2) whether usb flash, of reasonable cost, can keep up - on these boxes - with blockchain.
ascii_field: but the point stands - after several months of on and off searching, i did find a box which 1) is less than 2x cost of 'pogo' 2) very close in cpu and has NOT LESS ram than pogo 3) available in virtually unlimited quantities for the foreseeable future
ascii_field: thestringpuller: you can have the thing display 'screensaver' kaleidoscope if you like.
ascii_field: none of these things have rtc, i must note.
ascii_field: user would have to plug the thing into a tv set to configure 802.11
trinque: so there's some hope
ascii_field: (whether it even is usb2, is unknown to me)
ascii_field: which is the only means of adding storage
ascii_field: these are sold as 'miracast wireless hdmi receiver'
ascii_field: but afaik there is no (public) linux port
ascii_field: in other news,
ascii_field: but i like the idea of owning a lifetime's supply of non-nato cpu.
ascii_field: trinque: what is interesting to one is just old junk to another.
ascii_field: other thing is, items like z80 or rom of ~known vintage~ can be considered 'verifiable' in a weaker sense of the word
punkman: ascii_field: solder, sure. what's the most complicated component we can verify in jungle? (is there previous thread?)
nubbins`: or so they say, anyway
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198976 << the point i'm trying to make is that 'open' design is meaningless if it cannot be made, or, once made, verified at reasonable expense
ascii_field: perhaps the ultimate joke. yet another schmuck helping to redefine what 'open' means, to the peanut gallery
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 22:52:47; phf: jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198964 << the 'open source chinese phones' thing is a complete snorefest. wake me up when street urchins can fab even a, e.g., z80
ascii_field: 'Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device... Existing #proxyham units will be disposed of and no longer be made available at @_defcon_'
ascii_field: ^ seems to be a modernization of the ancient 'gold box'
ascii_field: http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 << other lulz of the day
trinque: yet they called it a "secure web interface"
ascii_field: 'Trend Micro Threat Intelligence Manager installs a secure web interface (httpd.exe, tcp port 443/https) which listens for incoming requests. Several vulnerabilities have been found in the product that would allow a remote attacker to cause the product to execute arbitrary code.'
ascii_field: in other nyooz,
phf: ascii_field: i don't think that's the case. i changed block processing to return false when the block is bastard, and eatblock started returning false for those.
ascii_field: prolly the innumerable 'critical section' nonsense
ascii_field: (iirc the process is asynchronous.)
ascii_field: or say i wanna pipe my node's log to a thermal printer.
ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what is 'other work'?
trinque: having watched many movies on the subject
trinque: "But if so, he'd be the least well hidden operative ever." << lol
punkman: ben_vulpes: I disagree, how the hell are we supposed to debug with insane logs?
trinque: you could have the best of both by having it just fart messages out stdout and stderr, then attaching it to something like svlogd if/when you want that in a file
ben_vulpes: can we get the best of both worlds? eg log to standard debug.log if unconfigured, syslog if configured?
phf: ascii_field: autorotators exist because people don't know how to syslog mostly. i.e. you build a syslog demon based on the constraints of your system, i.e. on pogo might just be busybox's syslog, that does rudimentary truncation. elsewhere syslog writes to postgresql or whatever
trinque: (I'm not aware of whether it already has this)
ben_vulpes: is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you?
trinque: what about a signal for it to close and reopen the log, and then people can do whatever they please outside it?
ascii_field: i also dislike increasing the subset of libc we use
trinque: I'm sure my cats would have things to say about fair if I stopped feeding them.
punkman: ben_vulpes: agreed, I'd like to make the log more parsable
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the debug.log thing is horrendous imho
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather not have compilation involved in configuring logs.
nubbins`: people seem to think fair means "everyone has the same things"
phf: but i think the easiest option is to adopt syslog interface (since they already have a reasonable list of priority tags), make it go to debug.log by default, and then interested parties can just do #define log syslog
phf: i think libc's syslog facility tries to pass messages to syslog and if the daemon is not running, they go into /dev/console instead
ascii_field: but keep in mind that the thing needs to work on machines with no perl, no bash, etc
ascii_field: i'll let others comment. maybe i'm wrong about this one
ascii_field: phf: i'm biased in the direction of rolling functionality ~into~ bitcoind, rather than ~out~ to unixland
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:55; punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate?
mod6: ben_vulpes, ascii_field, et. al. anyone have any other thoughts on this ^^
phf: this will also let us remove dodgy log rotation and management functionality altogether
mod6: i see that now. that's fine then.
phf: it might be worthwhile to replace all those printfs with syslog(3) calls, specifically introducing the priority as the first argument, i.e. LOG_ALERT, LOG_WARNING, LOG_DEBUG. maybe have it conditional compilation, so that real bitcoin instance will log to syslog, where's debug instance will still write to file
mod6: phf: yah was just about to say, maybe wait until he submits his, then you can apply yours on top.
punkman: punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf << there was a "#define snprintf my_snprintf" before, which I removed
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:16; asciilifeform: and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ?
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199256 << maybe have two config options, one that determines which things go into log file (min/normal/max) and another option which limits how big that file can get?
mod6: so other than what I said above about keeping FormatException the same, and leaving fLogTimestamps = false, and asciilifeforms' notes above, looks pretty good :]
ascii_field: thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d4gbu/no_we_dont_we_dont_owe_you_anything/ct1rfi0
ascii_field: mod6: they used to be in noui.h
mod6: punkman: also, there is a commandline option for -logtimestamps so maybe just leave fLogTimestamps = false;
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, trinque, other apple users: http://www.lispworks.com/images/lw-ide-cocoa.png << apparently they have lower prices now. if you're still into commercial lisps
mod6: punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf (which inturn calls vsnprintf) might be a good change. but unless we know why we're doing it, maybe we should just leave that alone.
mod6: and strprintf (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0205) except it checks (ret >= 0 && ret < limit) as well as a few other things.
mod6: looks like error(const std::string &&format, ...) does the same gyrations as around _vsnprintf/vsnprintf as my_snprintf. which is kinda strange. my_snprintf must have been added later.
punkman: mod6, I just thought I'd remove some useless #defines, I got absolutely no clue what's going on there
mod6: return value (as always) as the number of characters that would have been written in case the output string has been large enough. SUSv3 and later align their specification of snprintf() with C99.
mod6: Looks related to this: Concerning the return value of snprintf(), SUSv2 and C99 contradict each other: when snprintf() is called with size=0 then SUSv2 stipulates an unspecified return value less than 1, while C99 allows str to be NULL in this case, and gives the
jurov: neither did satoshi, apparently :D
jurov: never did further research why m$ did this
mod6: the main annoying thing here is that we see (ex): @@ -77,7 +72,6 @@ T* alignup(T* p)
punkman: mod6: that's the output of "git diff -p" command. I don't see any differences besides the "index d91d969..6b38259 100644" sections.
mod6 looks at others.
jurov: punkman: just resend it with another mail client
mod6: ok, so there is an 0a at the end of the file. tail doens't show it, but when I open it in ViM it's there... weird!: dpaste.com/0F8R1VJ.txt
mod6: there alredy was one there. i can add a new one, but then ofc your sha1 wont match. no worries, will try.
asciilifeform: but logic suggests that if it were not for this 'small print', it'd be the same 200k as in washington
asciilifeform: e.g., near where i live there is baltimore, md. a city where there are 5k usd plots of land. but i go and try to buy, and learn that it comes with a $maxint obligation to clean, build, guard...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199113 << there is an interesting caveat, which is that land prices in the nato reich are proclaimed 'too big to fail' in the sense that they will never be permitted to fall into where a schmuck can buy a serious land holding
punkman: are those nodes the filtered ones?
asciilifeform: then this is usable.
solrodar: the order is source and destination
asciilifeform: solrodar: there is information loss in your s-expression output.
asciilifeform: some folks have the meatwot to avoid or mostly avoid fiat banks. (a few of them here, iirc.) good for them.
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 07:35:15; mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100%
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199110 << re: banks, they are a furniture in the jail. so i apply solzhenitsyn's formula, 'НЕ верь, НЕ бойся, НЕ проси' - don't trust, don't fear, don't ask anything of it.
punkman: where's the link?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu as soon as somebody reports a successful replication of solrodar's recipe, imho he ought get the prize
asciilifeform: where's the recipe?
asciilifeform: but items like 'ultima online' never got me hot&bothered
asciilifeform: i can sorta picture the appeal of eulora, by imagining it as a kind of animated #b-a
asciilifeform: but i never got into mmporgs at all. what sort of game is it where player is not the hero!
asciilifeform: yes, especially loved the 1980s (commodore-64!) through '5'
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 08:11:27; mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199135 << wouldjabelieve i played the whole series ~BUT~ for 9 and 'Online' ?
asciilifeform: these are to be displayed on max, but not on 'normal'
asciilifeform: the replacement of various 'if debug ...'-isms
punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate?
asciilifeform: and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ?
asciilifeform: other nitpick: the removal of the wx cruft is spiffy - it was next on my personal list. but i'd replace InitMessage with fprintf(FOO, ..... with FOO equalling stdout by default. this is because we might one day have a device with a character lcd screen, or teletype, or whatnot, and preserving the semantics of 'this is an init message' isn't entirely useless
asciilifeform: i'm not even sure how to do this, other than in c, on a machine with no bash, perl, python, etc
asciilifeform: punkman: well, not necessarily put it back, but think of whether there might be a more elegant pill
asciilifeform: imho it was precisely the correct thing. i don't use remote rpc, i don't give a fuck what the pw is so long as it can't be guessed
asciilifeform: punkman: but, tell me this, what was the rationale for nuking the random rpc pw generator thing ?
asciilifeform: punkman: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150713/punkman_debug_sanity_part1_f0023d64470b05705a891da5b52bb1c24eed955b.patch << neato
nubbins`: (literal translation of french: "men's holes on the students")
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 06:30:15; mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then.
jurov: and that's why i put "check if your outgoiug mail verifies" in the manual nobody reads
punkman: the attachments in my "sent" folder had stripped newlines
jurov: and i assume turdatron did. so let's get rid of these assumptions, don the gloves and check what's there
jurov: punkman pls check the outgoing folder (if you have any), we need to know what caused this
BingoBoingo: There's just a huge disconnect between how people expect their mail client to behave and how they actually do
jurov: punkman: it was squirrelmail that removed these newlines?
punkman: well if it doesn't reject files that don't match .sig, I could just put them in a tar.gz
punkman: it stripped the last newline from readme_s.txt as well
jurov: if different, send me your ones and upload the patch, say, to dpaste for me to compare
jurov: check the sums pls
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000122.html the sha1sums of your files are as shown here?
jurov: if you sent lenna_full.jpg and lenna_full.jpg.sig it should add them to list, too
jurov: it does not read the patch at all
jurov: still not added to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html .. this is hopeless
jurov: oh thermonuke
punkman: I suppose squirrelmail did something to the message
jurov: there are zillions of way how mail clients try to be helpful with autoformatting body text, not just wordwrap
punkman: "One intriguing detail with the EU statement: as part of market reforms designed to boost the economy, Greece will have to bring in Sunday trading hours."
punkman: the psychology of crowdfunders ^
mircea_popescu: when did this become a discursive style anyway, "general statement, unsubstantiated claim, restatement of general statement, restatement of unsubstantiated claim, second restatement of general statement, second restatement of unsubstantiated claim, and then move into "we" territory.
punkman: BingoBoingo: maybe end of this week, no reason to cover the derps move-by-move
mircea_popescu: unemployed lousy public school teachers on the rampage.
mircea_popescu: aaaaand by line 862 the schmuck's rehashed the same intro three times while proposing his spin on it also three times. substantiation is still implicitly promised but i lost hope of delivery and who the fuck is the author anyway ?
BingoBoingo: punkman: So now that there's a deal do you want to write up Greece again?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series.
punkman: I don't remember playing any of his games, were they good?
punkman: is that the portalarium guy?
mircea_popescu: the Ultimate Ultima!"
mircea_popescu: It is clear to me that I, Richard Garriott, am an essential ingredient of at least the Ultimate Ultima, if not more broadly the Ultimate RPG. Perhaps one day, now that the people who pushed me out of EA more than a decade ago are long since gone, EA will recognize that together, we could rebuild that franchise in a way that they have failed to do in the intervening years. Richard Garriott is an essential ingredient in
mircea_popescu: "Since I am no longer at the helm of UO, lets look at where it has gone in my absence. Elves and ninjas have been added into the game, things I specifically had banned. This is only a small example of why and how Ultima has drifted away from Richard Garriott, but I have not drifted away from Ultima. Overused, irrelevant & reused RPG elements are not the essence of my Ultimate RPG.
mircea_popescu: the eternal dilemma of the margins : self owned by the local idiots ? or by a distant, thus disinterested if actually competent empire.
punkman: they'll definitely sell off the telecom company to ze germans, which owns most cables and rents them out to the private telecoms
punkman: no idea, but the europeans have been eyeing all that land owned by greek church
punkman: I don't see how they can remove capital controls anytime soon without... going more bankrupt?
mircea_popescu: much like idiot couples that "can't stand each other" to hear them talk, but then go have bad sex twice a week.
mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100%
mircea_popescu: aren't these the same banks that stole 90% of cypriot funds a coupla years ago ? what trust.
punkman: you know, same deal as the one people voted off as "NO"
mircea_popescu: what's the highlights ?
mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then.
BingoBoingo: SO finally got 0.7.2 ish built on OpenBSD 5.6 again. Turns out the problem this whole week was pointing at the wrong BDB version
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, obese people are an offense to humanity.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (letting blocks fall under 950kB is out of the question, dontchaknow)
asciilifeform: ^ long live the waterfall, aha
cazalla: PeterL, hey congrats! missus and i banged it out a few times last month trying for another.. find out if it took this week
mats: my understanding is that the long term plan has been to reduce the size of conventional troops to pay for more stuff in the socom budget
PeterL: well, the army is the biggest item in the budget, so if you want to make a dent it is the obvious place to start
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Totally about aesthetics
PeterL: " “At that point,” Allyn continued, “we will no longer be capable of fulfilling our responsibilities in accordance with the national security strategy.” " << Maybe they should bring some troops home from around the world?
BingoBoingo: It's about aesthetics
gernika: Well, they shouldn't outlaw it, at least.
PeterL: Should the government health-care supervisors be pushing for doctor-assisted suicide at the onset of terminal diseases?
PeterL: Perhaps the hope is that instead of a long decline, people will have a strong life until they suddenly drop dead at the end?
gernika: Never quite understood the publicity push encouraging people to eat healthy. Who are these magical people that live healthy lives and then die conveniently, without requiring expensive medical treatment? Is it that they must live long lives and pay enough taxes to afford their death, and that those that die earlier are shirking?
BingoBoingo: That just encourages more of them to exist
PeterL: maybe we should just let them feel good about themself and they will stop bothering us about making them feel bad?
BingoBoingo: Trainor doesn't look bad, but her message gives the real FUPAtroopers unwarranted positive encouragement
BingoBoingo: Her body isn't the problem. It's her message
PeterL: You guys have an opinion about Meghan Trainor "all about the base"? Disgusting meat planet or fresh breath of honesty?
PeterL: oh, by the way, I don't think I have mentioned it here yet, I have loinfruit number 4 on the way, due about January
trinque: the JS produced is entirely readable
trinque: spent some time with it over the weekend; though I'm not actually writing CL on the client side it's close enough that I don't feel like I'm context switching between server and client
mod6: the reservation is adjacent (due east) of organ pipe
mod6: it wasn't quite as bad back then. there was still a lot of people crossing the border in the area -- especially across the tohono o'odham resvervation boarder. there the tribe refuses to enforce the boarder because they claim that for thousands of years, there was no boarder.
ag3nt_zer0: oh nice... arizona really is beautiful... lived all over that place at one tiem or another
mod6: i went camping there once.
ag3nt_zer0: yeah sure... having been to yosemite a few times recently and being so struck by the beauty I don't really dig the story - not to mention the mass media blackouts on the issue
decimation: "Meanwhile, a highly critical Interior Department report says that the department's law enforcement program is in disarray, and that the Park Service suffers from extreme organizational dysfunction. "
ag3nt_zer0: " "Our budget isn't considered part of homeland defense, so it wasn't a priority," Thompson said, as he drove past the 20-foot (6-meter) hole in the border fence that Eggle's killer drove through. "But how long will it be until someone figures out that you could easily drive a semi-truck with a nuclear device through here?"
mircea_popescu: Richard Garriott's Shroud of the Avatar from Portalarium Raises Two Million Dollars in Crowd Funding
mircea_popescu: The Buzz
assbot: Ennio Morricone to score The Hateful Eight: Tarantino’s film will be Morricone’s first Western in four decades. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9JzZZ )
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/07/12/ennio_morricone_to_score_the_hateful_eight_tarantino_s_film_will_be_morricone.html
scoopbot_revived: US Missiles Carry Out "unexplained" Commands in the Field http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-missiles-carry-out-unexplained-commands-in-the-field/
punkman: "Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s" doesn't sound like a good time to be settling in northern latitudes
phf: jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop
decimation: ascii would probably emphasize the signficant distance between schmatic of iphone pcb and an actual 'full model' of how iphone works - and the even further distance between that and something 'hand verifyible'
decimation: the author of your linked article
decimation: I wonder if they have open source baseband firmware
decimation: this is the same stuff bunnie has been selling for awhile
decimation: related: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm "A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to
assbot: The 99.99% pure climate consensus – how to ignore thousands of skeptical scientists « JoNova ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU89O8 )
decimation: http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/the-99-99-pure-climate-consensus-how-to-ignore-thousands-of-skeptical-scientists/ "One fan, James Powell, was so enthused he spent nine months reading titles and abstracts of 24,000 papers, and found only four scientists (4!) who didnât agree with the consensus. Some 69,402 other scientists apparently endorse âthe consensusâ (whatever it is) because they used the terms âclimate changeâ, or â
kakobrekla: yup, thats the business model.
decimation: my conversation with luke on friday night was enough to convince me that the bitcoin devs 'know what they are doing'
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea what they think it'll do, not like we don't have original copies.
mircea_popescu: punkman "let's put the blockchain into such a state it's no longer a blochcain"
mircea_popescu: <ascii_modem> no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa << dude, forget it. he was there before the us, he'll be there after.
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 15:27:06; thestringpuller: qntra down?
ben_vulpes is sitting at the glider port
assbot: yishan comments on What's the best "long con" you ever pulled? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVwVOW )
pete_dushenski: " How to help spread Bitcoin awareness while earning money at the same time."