assbot: Portland police make an arrest in fatal Old Port shooting - WGME - Portland ME Top Stories - News, Sports, Weather, Traffic ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxsnfB )
decimation: asciilifeform: no, it's not a common news item (the murdering) because of 'advocates of progressive causes'
assbot: Police say two in custody after fatal shooting at Wheaton Metro station - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoPavn )
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think metro could tell the difference between suicide and murder?
asciilifeform was, somehow, labouring under the notion that murder was routine aboard dc metro. mainly by folks being pushed into the pit
decimation: http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/metro-stabbing-unleashes-debate-should-passengers-have-helped-victim/ "Friends say Sutherland, a Connecticut native, loved advocating for progressive causes."
decimation: supposedly he was 'high' on 'synthetic marijuana'
asciilifeform: it is interesting that anyone still bothers to steal phones
decimation: note: the victim was a skinny white guy
assbot: Horrified passengers witnessed brutal July 4 slaying aboard Metro car - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoOshS )
decimation: "Police and a witness interviewed said passengers trapped in the moving train huddled at both ends of the car and watched in horror as Spires punched 24-year-old Kevin Joseph Sutherland until he fell to the floor, then stabbed him until he was dead. Court documents say the victim was cut or stabbed 30 or 40 times, in the chest, abdomen, back, side and arms. "
assbot: Stabbing reported on Metro train at Federal Center SW - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxrAeO )
decimation: ah, apparently wapo reported in their 'metro' section http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/02/04/stabbing-reported-on-metro-train-at-federal-center-sw/
asciilifeform: but does not say where the train was
mats: easy enough to maneuver a series of boats into range if not firing from the coast
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if anyone has ever hit a boat-sized target with these from even 1km
decimation: well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile
mats: matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO
mats: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/16/egyptian-navy-vessel-ablaze-after-catching-fire-while-docked-off-sinai-northern
asciilifeform: trinque: this was done. for 'android' wallet of one kind or another
trinque: put plainly, watching phuctor phuck, I'd thought that there surely must be some way of doing the same thing on badly generated bitcoin addresses
asciilifeform: but the point i was trying to make is that your cpu is not transmitting to the proverbial black helicopter 24/7
trinque: right, say there's a decent way to do factoring. I think I pulled that one from your blog
asciilifeform: (there is a kind of 'valley' in between the ordinary weaponry and the 'glass' - e.g., tor diddles which would 'expire' immediately if publicly revealed, but are good for plenty of 'parallel construction' meanwhile, etc.)
asciilifeform: one may speculate all day re: the particulars of usg 'glass artillery', but it suffices to say that such is not fired at a crowd
asciilifeform: but must understand, the more exotic the diddle, the more of a (to borrow mircea_popescu's term) 'glass cannon'
trinque: but I take your point; there wouldn't have been reason to target someone like him until doing so wouldn't have mattered
trinque: I was not around for the early days
asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing
trinque: I suppose he could be the windows derp and still know to at least use a separate airgapped box for the keys
asciilifeform: trinque: i won't comment on meta-nsa, but classic nsa works on statistical aggregates rather than individuals - at least when dealing with mass collections rather than targeted shots
trinque: if he is the VS/winderz derp, how is it that he generated unbreakable keys?
trinque: yeah, I have to say I find him having been found as the most likely
mats: though on last check he seemed to be more likely to be aligned with gavin (bitcoin for the people, etc)
mats: or perhaps he reads the logs.
trinque: him staying silent during things like the blocksize "debate" speaks volumes imo
asciilifeform: not because it is impossible to devise improved mechanisms - but on account of the 'pascal's wager' involved
asciilifeform: at the risk of beating the record of mircea_popescu's pessimism on the subject of 'future bitcoin': i currently suspect that protocol change might be the proverbial 'stone so heavy, god cannot lift'
asciilifeform had a thought: possibly, if satoshi's stash were ~larger~ than it is, he could be considered 'beyond reproach' if he were to surface and propose a fork, on the logic that he could not stand to gain from any deception. but it still would not rule out usgification, or simple error.
asciilifeform: (i.e. there are probably not 5bn 'turkey-buying-capable' dollars on planet)
mircea_popescu: on that point can there be no debate
asciilifeform: and no $maxint pumped into the storage battery
asciilifeform: 'does not suck' today, i dare say, is a higher bar than in '09, when there was no bitcoin
asciilifeform: which did not suck (at least mathematically) in any particularly discernible way
mircea_popescu: this is the only legitimate way to resolve disputes.
mircea_popescu: satoshi could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have everyone (everyone that matters, ie, with money!) presented with the dilemma : do they buy up the stash ? or do they move on to the strange ?
mircea_popescu: decimation i mean the original, end of 2014/2015 dispute, about "herp derp we'll raise the block limit"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstood, your implication in earlier thread was that satoshi (in the person of his key) could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have such carry weight on account of him being the famous satoshi
mircea_popescu: in the end, it reduces to "does he have the intellectual authority to bluff". well... do you have the intellectual authority to call it ?
decimation: yeah, but what market? the 950/1000 block rule?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ << intellectual authority is a very simple thing in capitalism. see it at work in how the "blockchain size increase" was tranched : once someone says "this is how much it costs", the derps willing to talk were separated from the people willing to pay.
decimation: the only american autos that 'actual people' buy are trunks
mircea_popescu: (plenty of fish being the 5th or so dating site sold in a decade, which "Dating site" is the twelfth or so wheel on the social media band wagon)
asciilifeform: thing is, gm/ford vs tesla is a 'best horse in the glue factory' contest
mircea_popescu: in any case, as a fun tidbit : the 2010 tesla ipo, first us carmaker ipo since ww2, came to half the recently reported plenty of fish sale
mircea_popescu: the alternative was also unpalatable tho. you don't want to engage in a bidding war with the dying gm/ford thing for their lasty remaining shred of relevancy
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds
decimation: yeah, probably anything that will run through the pumps
decimation: but the abrams tank would burn jp-8 just fine
asciilifeform: (for worse? sure! where i live, what comes out of the filling station is 10% ethanol ~by law~)
decimation: you could also burn 'heavy fuel oil' in theory, but that's not a terribly great idea in a high reliablity application
asciilifeform: fuels haven't really changed (for the better) in a century.
mats: how about that. late 70s tech still keeping the lights on.
mircea_popescu: iirc the "ethanol jet" thing got canned
asciilifeform: anything involving gaseous h2 is the archetypical 'assembly line for ph.d.'
asciilifeform: fueling up jets from seawater + nuke plant, was the notion.
asciilifeform: usg actually had (has?) some chick leading a crackpot mains current to hydrocarbon (yes, electrolysis + oddball catalysts) mega-wunderwaffen dept. in the navy
asciilifeform: and the water - doesn't wear out after 200 cycles
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly detroit electric volume touched up for the intervening century.
decimation: trinque: they also rely heavily on subsidy
decimation: thus appealing to the kinds of people who want to store electricity but don't care about how much things cost
mats: they are massively overvalued right now and i would not be interested in taking the other side
mircea_popescu: mats the offer stands, you know.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are sop in the orc world, ru being perhaps the absolute epicentre. but in usa they are especially lulzy on account of the elaborate presences of 'doing business'
decimation: mats: ?? they have dealer rooms?
mircea_popescu: romania has a bunch of these "intreprinzatori de carton", ie, cardboard entrepreneurs. one notable case (currently in jail) got to keep ~2bn worth of romanian govt money in 1989, on condition of supporting his friends.
mats: they sell batteries and infrastructure
mircea_popescu: some earthworms find incredible caches of forgotten artefacts. doth not qualify them as archeologists.
mircea_popescu: the substantial difference between the subset here named and the rest of the set consisting of various reddit experts and your spamming friend has nothing to do with them
mircea_popescu: msot of them do, yes.
mircea_popescu: he's the business world equivalent of a russian prison whore.
mircea_popescu: lol branson, another fine example.
mircea_popescu: that's the mark of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: a man batting < 1% is certainly not possessed of a clue in the field.
decimation: but the economic prospects appear highly dubious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: musk is different in the sense of not running the usual 'populist' chumpatron
mircea_popescu: this is the case of all us "entrepreneurs" active today.
mircea_popescu: (exactly the hipster car of today, incdentally. marketed to women and doctors, had curved glass panes, etc)
asciilifeform: late in the game, too
mircea_popescu: there is good reason to build a universal engine into a tank intended for 1950s style attreition war.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 03:03:55; mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204022 << the ultimate such is said to be... 'abrams' tank.
mircea_popescu: soo... imo musk's electric car has failed to reach the sort of growth patterns and penetration goals it needed to survive. it therefore peaked sometime last year, and it will go the same way all the numerous attempts at an electric car since the 20s have went.
decimation: the net effect being that the amount of 'heavy fuel' (bunker b and c) has shrunk compared to old process - making it more expensive than just using diesel
decimation: it seems the real problem with burning crude or heavy fuel oil is that if you have enough civilization to refine the oil, you can make it into much more profitable products
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_GTELs < us railroads used to run these right through the middle of the countryside, belching foul shit
mircea_popescu: in any case the generality comes at an efficiency cost.
mircea_popescu: because who the fuck else would not know what fuel he wants to burn
mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps
BingoBoingo: decimation: Point releases happen in May and November on the first
decimation: "Most oil-fired steam locomotives used Bunker C, although in some parts of the country they actually burned raw crude oil. As noted before, Bunker C was readily available and dirt cheap. (Steve Lee, April 18, 2000, via email to The Streamliner discussion group)"
TomServo: excited to have just gotten my first console on the edgerouter
decimation: ah, thanks for the good report
TomServo: Booted via tftp, installed from there
decimation: or did you write image from another computer?
TomServo: The docs don't exactly reflect it, but I can confirm the snapshot of 5.8 does see and boot from usb.
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 21:57:04; decimation: https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future
TomServo: In other news, I noticed this blurb on the OpenBSD octeon page today: "In June 2015 USB support was added which finally allowed installing to local disk on machines lacking a CF slot."
decimation: www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/ < they literally refine it in jungle conditions
BingoBoingo: decimation: I was more thinking about how such vehicles create space for themselves.
mircea_popescu: and obv the naturasl gas models won't burn it
mircea_popescu: none of them run on crude, not since 1880 at any rate.
mircea_popescu: plenty of models made to run onm the heavy stuff left after gas distillation
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. << I remember in the old Tom Clancy novels his various supposed NatSec agencies being funded by "spamzors" and their financial equivalent.
decimation: one wild theory: this isp and its hangers-on are 'owned' by some tinpot dictator in africa
decimation: it's odd they have such a massive dish too
decimation: you can see on streeview from the east side
asciilifeform: from 'intelsat' www, it would appear that they serve nigerian sp4mz0r and homeland severity alike
decimation: but they typically use 8 or 4 psk in those analog segments
asciilifeform: sounds like they're speaking of analogue bandwidth, to be fair
decimation: http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020605.html "Each of the new Intelsat IX series satellites carries 76 C-band and 22 Ku-band operating transponders (in 36 MHz equivalents), and its solar arrays will generate more than 8.6 kilowatts of power (beginning of life)."
decimation: unfortunately the 12 meter dish is pointing up (probably 'safed') so I can't determine its bearing
decimation: that would line them up with Intelsat 905
decimation: asciilifeform: the northern two dishes appear to be pointed toward a heading of 107 degrees (true)
asciilifeform: my first hypothesis was 'fella got truecrypted'
asciilifeform: , I can't reveal the details to support this statement but, knowing my honestly and character, you'll have to take me at my word. '
asciilifeform: 'I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately
asciilifeform: 'Professionals have professional credentials. If you want to participate in the security industry, you should obtain the appropriate certifications. ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications. '
mats: "I believe that we are in a post-hacker world ... We should strive to be professionals, making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists. This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others"
asciilifeform: he was one of the two founding partners.
asciilifeform: ^ the fl gov paperwork mentions haba
asciilifeform: 'Mr. Haba was Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Telco 214, an emerging leader in the international voice market that was successful in winning large market share from AT&T, MCI and Sprint. Mr. Haba began his career at Symetrics Industries, a publicly traded defense communications and computer telephony integrator....'
decimation: lemme see if I can figure out which satellite the minor dishes are pointed at
asciilifeform: http://cpsociety.org/thomas-ndomb << lulzy. the one other public mention of 'telco 214' i've found so far.
asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this survey, but it is not uninteresting
decimation: https://www.google.com/maps/place/2571+Kirby+Cir+NE,+Palm+Bay,+FL+32905 < check out their 'principle place of business' listed in their annual report
asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.
asciilifeform: reminiscent of nothing more than the faux airlines used by cia
decimation: asciilifeform: what do these companies do?
asciilifeform: neither had any detectable public presence.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up TheRealJohnGalt
asciilifeform: just lulzy to see it when i randomly chanced to look at the latest crud scrolling by.
BingoBoingo: mats: Phuctor broke 95. The duplicate modulus is a different kind of warning than broken
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Build GPG, preferably a 1.4.x series version and do the key generation thing again
popmechanic: Correct, I believe the key is generated client side.
popmechanic: Apparently they just offer email addresses? Not sure, first time I’ve used the service. I totally understand and am prepared to agree with a predjudice against a service like this, because they’re going to end up sitting on private keys. But it’s optional, and actually a pretty handy way to manage a few aspects of PGP management.
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: DO you work for Keybase or do they just offer email addy's at their domain.
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Sounds like a solid plan. Probably would be prudent to register. The you can self voice to ask questions. WHen asking questions you will probably get links which will lead you to the golden six months of logs to read.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is the only real way to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due to the game's inherent challenge vs. The game being an unfinished piece of shit
mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for.
mircea_popescu: there is no structural way to scoure a message outside of it.
mircea_popescu: but as things stand today, after two years of idiocy from the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it.
mircea_popescu: combined with the hoard you may keep your doubtrs
ascii_field: if it is the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts
mircea_popescu: "here is the new bitcoin"
gabriel_laddel: mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking their hatred?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what is the 'reserve power' here ?
gabriel_laddel: there was one man who wanted to prosecute the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name...
ascii_field: before it hit the ice.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his thing ~long before~ the ship began to sink
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203738 << uh, try reading up on the titanic crash?
mircea_popescu: about the messiah, no factual claims may be made :)
mircea_popescu: you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for the plain reason that history is something you only know once it no longer matters
mircea_popescu: but in actual fact the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying themselves, that it likely wouldn't even be needed, today.
mircea_popescu: normally the switchover from prototype to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes.
mircea_popescu: signed by the right key.
mircea_popescu: the satoshi hoard poses very little threat to bitcoin as is. the real threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging, that's thje actual son of the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 15:25:02; mats: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys'
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203713 << allow me to please you by pointing out that in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1201884 and similar, you actually misrepresent the strategic situation by failing to look at the whole history :D
mircea_popescu: ah what the hell, i'll bite.
mircea_popescu: doesn't this prove without a doubt that half the bugs were left behind ?
mircea_popescu: "During the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of those programs and rewrite 94 of them to eliminate bugs built in their code. This proves, without a doubt, that it is not only possible but achievable to automate the actions of a talented software auditor."
mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research
ascii_field: why the right move?
mircea_popescu: nothing matches the perversity of justice.
ascii_field: he was the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm'
mircea_popescu: he just got stuck trying to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed to the headboard when he couldn't.
mircea_popescu: well he didnb't MAKE the titanic, in any case.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, the experience of years and what we have always done outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.'
mircea_popescu: but yes, it does not follow that the heads ought to stay on.
mircea_popescu: neither.
ascii_field: does not follow that the heads ought to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes
mircea_popescu: ascii_field beheading the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: titanic is the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall the piece re: the officers ?
mircea_popescu: i think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's the problem with derps "reviewing the whole history"
ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match
mircea_popescu: yet most of everything that works was built by people doing the incremental bs.
trinque: I deeply and passionately resent everyone in the field which put systems such as these in my lap and told me they were "industry standards" and so on
trinque: ftr I listened to the talk; the way the man thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing the whole history of the field and designing from that perspective.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow their betters just to maintain the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence" they do not actually possess.
mircea_popescu: this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing THAT is even in the rules, such as they are.
mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters
nubbins`: <+mats> because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did <<< those who think they know X have those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions to one
mircea_popescu: 't ya ?!), the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy twerps.
mircea_popescu: anyway. historically there's no impact. for many years teachers soundly and loudly despised their pupils. this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked them to love the kids didn
mircea_popescu: and i do mean this no. prolly met more mothers than you met reverse engineers, too.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was.
trinque: there's humor in that
mats: because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did
mircea_popescu: do you suppose torquemada was the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike the other jews, he was contempt-powered ?
mats: and here is why: i don't think its possible to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather than curiousity.
mats: it is certainly an aesthetic concern