mod6: here's the second one with full examples for nomultilib: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide-wFullExamples.txt
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt && http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
mod6: ah, yeah, so ... this guide is for a physical box (takes you through using livecd) -- if you wanna set it up in a VM im sure you can do something similar with a livecd, just hvae to attach the iso file to the virtual dvd/cdrom drive.. and probably follow the same steps.
mod6: we need a 3rd person to verify this thing so i can finally send it to the lst.
mod6: if you're looking for something to keep you busy for an evening, you can test out the gentoo x86-64 nomultilib guide
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: me too. First ssd, then expansion. >;3
shinohai: asciilifeform: which is the nsa lab node at again?
mod6: is this the one where blkcut error made it fall over?
mod6: i guess more importantly than that, im gonna do a for(0->366XXX) dump of each block and hash it, compare it to the list that you ended up with ascii.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 69 active connections on s.nsa's node.
mod6: for sure. thanks, we need all the help we can get.
shinohai: I love this shit, takes me a bit of time to catch up with you warriors, but I'm getting there.
mod6: well, thanks for putting in the effort to test this stuff, we appreciate it.
mod6: it bricked the drive?
shinohai: It's nice being the first guy to destroy a SATA installing arch on a pogo
shinohai: mod6 yes it only connected to irc nodes i guess, since it is before the irc demolition.
mod6: did it sync the same way from block 0->current in the same manner, i.e. by finding nodes all over irc?
mod6: haven't gotten there yet on nsl's node
mod6: as a reminder tho, those hashes of my .dat files were from "the wild" sync.
cazalla: fuck, so be it then if it mean doing twins
cazalla: mircea_popescu, how is it an incestous act for me if i am not related to them?
mircea_popescu: cazalla well you realise if your bar for being bothered is "being pictures of ME doing things", i got god's own work cut out for me here...
cazalla: kakobrekla, i don't know, it's not about that anyway, i just don't fancy sticking my tongue there but to each their own
mircea_popescu: no wait, i was thinking of the wrong species.
kakobrekla: whats the difference between female tongue and male tongue ???
mircea_popescu: you think the married woman is committing adultery alone ?
cazalla: sok for another woman to lick an ass, just don't ask me to do it, sorta how fucking twins is fine as you're not the one committing incest
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and archive the pages lol.
hazirafel: maybe i'll watch the episode
cazalla: speaking of Seinfeld.. "On Wednesday (April 29) the online streaming service Hulu struck a deal with the show about nothing, paying $700,000 per episode ($130 million) for the rights to add the series to its already stellar lineup."
cazalla: lol why would that bother me
mircea_popescu: and here's something to bother my man cazalla : http://38.media.tumblr.com/d79ced52386260419f282a6cbea59cc0/tumblr_n5oxc1uPJp1trwqu4o1_400.gif
cazalla: hazirafel, i would suggest the Human Fund
mircea_popescu: pro tip : if your AN is in there you're a fucktard, i don't care if your name is "verizon"
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2EASGTJ << the denyin reference for that 311M pkts logdropin thing, on the off chance anyone gives a shit about the details
hazirafel: look it up in the phone book :)
mircea_popescu: for that matter what's "the church of satan"
mircea_popescu: and what's "enter" anyway, every time you load a webpage that pulls their fucktarded button ?
hazirafel: would you use a program that sends bitcoin to the cruch of satane very time you enter facebook?
nanaki: My (nanaki's) message to mircea_popescu: I have placed a bet on bitbet.us and sent BTCs and successfully confirmed at block# 366130 but the website doesn't apply it. The bottom of the page says "Last block: 1 hour 4 minutes ago (366131)" so it must have applied my bet. ==> SOLVED: the site reflected my bet 1h 18m later since confirmed. Usually the reflection is quick so I slightly panicked! Thank you.
cazalla: the great thing about irc though is that you can leave a message now and just tab back in an hour, tmw or even next week
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BingoBoingo: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/revealed-why-slim-people-dislike-the-overweight-459459.html
rooder: that said the economics here are equally retarded\
rooder: you proley live down the road
punkman: "The loan will have a maximum maturity of three months and will be disbursed in up to two instalments. It will allow Greece to clear its arrears with the IMF and the Bank of Greece and to repay the ECB, until Greece would start receiving financing under a new programme from the European Stability Mechanism"
punkman: you can't get your money but they still call it a bank
decimation: http://spacenews.com/china-eyes-purchase-of-sea-launch-assets/ < "Struggling commercial launch-service provider Sea Launch AG and its owner, Energia of Russia, are in talks with the Chinese government on selling the Sea Launch command ship and launch platform to Chinese interests that would station the system in international waters offshore China, industry officials said."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al: found the test pads on that 'miracast' thing. they were, unsurprisingly, under the sticker.
cazalla: perhaps trilema when he is a bit older (side note - the story about the boy and the tree is a good one i'll read to him when a little older)
gabriel_laddel: "The Wheel of Time"
trinque: that's a hell of a step in the right direction
cazalla: well, all parents like to think that of their kids but time will tell, i've read to him each day since he was born
cazalla: enjoys books too which is good but reading jack and the beanstalk for 20th time each day gets a bit much, he's really picked up with that past 1-2 months bring us books to read him
cazalla: he's pretty clever, stacked a couple pillows in order to get up on the tv unit
cazalla: missus wants another but seems last months attempts didn't strike :P
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: how's the wife/child?
asciilifeform: on account of them being 'here today, gone tomorrow'
decimation: yeah, also there are probably hardware variants, according to your research
asciilifeform: but i hate to rely on these
asciilifeform: got only the familiar soic8 that everyone has
asciilifeform: can read out / rewrite the rom if i had a soic16 crocodile (i presently lack one)
decimation: I assume that's a bga part (the cpu)
asciilifeform: the thing works
decimation: only on the edges too
asciilifeform: decimation: in this case it was on account of the 802.11 thing ('realtek') being a separate pcb
decimation: asciilifeform: re: solder balls: unfortunately sop these days
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:34:13; mircea_popescu: but past that... who the fuck cares.
asciilifeform: (though his unit is not entirely the same)
asciilifeform: i found it interesting how the 802.11 module is anchored with just 6 solder balls - wonder what the protocol is
asciilifeform: (if you have one of these, and it is not obvious how to open it - use a very sharp knife.)
trinque: gabriel_laddel: notably data modeling and analysis is one of the Franz offerings
trinque: and I wanna goddamn *see* the relationships
ben_vulpes: coviariance analysis with shop humidity at the time
gabriel_laddel: Allegrocache is the only lisp solution that will work for this size dataset afaik, and I've spent a lot of time looking.
phf: gribble returns identical strings for everyone, so there's no way to know if verify request is directed to you or someone else
trinque: what are all the classifications and distinctions involved in doing so?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: size of the data sets you're dealing with?
trinque: the conditionals involved are not necessarily known in advance
trinque: many user interfaces are essentially an editor for the where clause, order by, and so on for some query
trinque: asciilifeform: that doesn't solve it for me either, really
phf: ben_vulpes: re server deploy http://www.nicklevine.org/play/patching-made-easy.html, not the only solution, but pretty cool
trinque: or they happened upon a few tools that answered enough of the essential questions that they never bothered asking more
trinque: most businesses out there (that make a profit even!) are entirely blind
trinque: then do arbitrary data analysis over it, and fast, damn it!
trinque: ben_vulpes: it's fine; eats a sql string or sexp version thereof, farts list
gabriel_laddel: o anything complicated I simply ask for it. And I mean simply. I should never have to put away the thing I'm working on unless I've actually finished it (fat chance say my publishers) or want to do something else entirely."
gabriel_laddel: When I say 'work', I mean I want to be able to start typing on the screen, and if I feel like putting in a drawing, I draw on the screen. Or I bring something from my scanner on to the screen, or I send something from my screen to someone else. Or I get my Mac to play the tune I've just written on the screen on a synthesiser. Or well, the list obviously is endless. And if I need any particular tool to enable me to d
gabriel_laddel: 3. Have a bit of fun provided I've done enough of 2, which is rarely, but that's another issue.
gabriel_laddel: 1. Turn on the machine.
ben_vulpes: there's a difference between chewing and a tool that abstracts a thing that needs doing
trinque: there are loads of repeating patterns in end-user data access
ben_vulpes: what about deploying code to servers? just slime-connect to the remote host over an ssh tunnel and then compile the new codebase in?
ben_vulpes: Adlai: once told me that the 'log reading' period for CL was well in excess of that for #b-a
trinque: I have noticed many times that when someone tries to pry the relational model from my hands, I lose behavior and am then told "you didn't actually need that behavior"
phf: the loc on that is in 10s, rather then 1000s + external servers for when your first reaction is to "reach for database"
phf: asciilifeform: that's my answer to. the log is a contingency plan for when the lisp instance fails, which it rarely does. in which case your goal is to reconstruct the state from the time of last save-lisp (say an hour), till the point of crash
trinque: I have to say so far the querying capacity of this thing looks to be on par with couchdb
asciilifeform: if you have something else - you do not have the answer.
asciilifeform: the answer is ALWAYS, without exception, fits-in-head+does-not-crash+operates-correctly.
phf: in my experience it's cheaper to literally go a log file and reconstruct data manually the one time your system crash, then introduce uknowable redundancies that tend to increase complexity and ultimately result in the crash, because doesn't fit in head
phf: i think the idea here is that some data loss is way cheaper then programmer time. also memory is way cheaper then programmer time. if you have a really critical data stream, just do a write only log, that you can either replay or even just recover manually
decimation: go ahead and change other people's class definitions. "
decimation: the cards very closely to your breast, but if you need access, you just
ben_vulpes: or lisp instance crashign either, though right?
asciilifeform: if your working ram is 1) at least as big as your data set 2) connected to own nuke reactor, never loses power - then, great.
ben_vulpes: slad doesn't really address the power toggle thing
phf: yes, but without the instance dying part
phf: my favorite way to do lisp persistence is to just keep everything in memory and do ext:save-lisp from a that does minor amount of saved image management. i learned the trick from avi bryant back when he was writing interesting code
decimation: if you cannot predict the outcome of a request of the hardware, how can you possibly 'fix it' in software?
asciilifeform: like the brooklyn bridge works
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: 'for some value of the word' - you can go do, on microshit, in visual basic, sure.
trinque: old crufty industries that are not interesting to those trying to advance the art of computer science.
trinque: there are a hundred large pieces of software already out in the wild begging to be ripped open by something new
asciilifeform: otherwise - could write it.
gabriel_laddel: I'm just leaving this in the logs on the off chance someone decides to play around with it.
decimation: http://www.slideshare.net/curryon/bjarne-stroustrupwhatifanythinghavewelearnedfromc < his talk does show the marks of one bruised by reality
ben_vulpes: Symbol "MREMAP" not found in the OSICAT-POSIX package.
gabriel_laddel: does manardb not work out of the box?
trinque: he doesn't hate the world enough to say it should change
asciilifeform: he takes the hardware as a given
gabriel_laddel: me: "lisp makes meta-programming trivial" him: "if it did they'd rule the world already, and therefore I don't have to consider your argument"
decimation: the most amusing bit to me was his little diatribe against garbage collectors
trinque: gabriel_laddel: did you punch him in the dick?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I met the guy who wrote that. Ugh.
decimation: actually I did go through the slides on that stroustrup talk
asciilifeform: which is to say, in this case, whether he has already had the flash of realization that the shit he is working with sucks because of 'anthropic principle' - that is, if it weren't a crock of shit, he would not have his job...
ben_vulpes has maybe touched the penile bit
asciilifeform: i can usually tell from talking to a fella who programs - for three minutes - whether he's 'seen the elephant'
decimation: from my own meatwot, the 'benefit' to mongo is that it can scale, because it 'runs twitter' or some shit
ben_vulpes: client blew their budget on ie8 css compatibility in a half-assed single page js app
asciilifeform: and it is also an interesting case study: what kinds of brokenness produce these waves of 'kids who tried their best' (tm)
trinque: so now I'm going to grow to like this, and then I'm going to be stuck later wondering why something I've done is slow
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/smbxman.jpg << all but the blue (interlisp, xerox) and orange ('chinanual', for the original mit lisp mach)
ben_vulpes: the covers are also gorgeous.
asciilifeform: i have the paper
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they were, iirc, the first hyperlinked manual (one was expected to read them on the machine - but it came with a paper set!)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the symbolics books are a marvel of writing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: only need one - for the woman
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re statice, what parts wouldn't make sense? the thing is explained in painstaking detail.
asciilifeform: gives you a pass, and one for the woman
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: statice may or may not make sense without access to the live animal
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 01:01:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended another costco today
ben_vulpes: trinque: have you started reading the statice manual?
trinque: I have an inkling of being able to do the same thing in lisp, but you know, grew up in the congo, working on it
trinque: asciilifeform: reasoning with sets and their relationships is why I use the db heavily in work
PeterL: The river running through my town has a "don't eat the fish" rule because of some toxic spill upstream from 20 years ago
BingoBoingo: <decimation> it's actually almost impossible to tell exactly what kind of fish you are eating in the us << Catching own fish is possible
asciilifeform: and folks come to think that it excuses them from knowing jack shit about data structures and choosing right one for a job
trinque: runs directly contarary to your idea of knowing the cost of an operation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: background for thread: 'elephant' is this thing that tries to magick away the fact that db exists, by allowing you to mark an arbitrary lisp data structure as 'persistent' and churning it to db behind the scenes
mircea_popescu: using packages starting with the letter "e" ?
trinque: this is an experiment to see whether I can transplant my standard patterns of db use to lisp
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: must warn that abstractions don't actually work. that is, the underlying limitations of your db will 'leak out'.
mircea_popescu: "see gavin, in theory we're millionaires.
mircea_popescu: "listen dear, the arab prince has a friend. would you..."
mircea_popescu: "well... uhh... i'd never... you know we're behind on the mortgage and that nsa check is late..."
mircea_popescu: old man schmuckssen calls over his wife. "honey, there's an arab prince at the door, wants to fuck you silly for a million bucks. what should i say to him ?"
mircea_popescu: "daddy, daddy, i heard these mean kids use two unknown words. theory and practice. do you know what is the difference ?"
ben_vulpes: http://cnsnews.com/blog/melanie-hunter/pregnant-wnba-star-asks-20k-month-spousal-support-her-wife << ahahaha child support hits the gays
mircea_popescu: after reading b-a log for the first time, little gavin schmuckssen went to his father
asciilifeform: (what i meant earlier was that tx only needs to get to the destination - miner. if it cannot get there cheaply and easily, it will get there expensively and painfully. but it will get there.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it. sorta like i asked my father, as a small boy, if furniture could speak. answer 'yes, in principle'
asciilifeform: it is more or less the obvious solution to 'how to keep a public tx pool'
asciilifeform: PeterL: mircea_popescu had a scheme quite like the one you described
ben_vulpes: PeterL: you missed the thread where alf pointed out that 'mempool' is not a part of bitcoin.
PeterL: to make sure they get included eventually in a block
PeterL: So I've been thinking about the mempool: There should be a size limit set in the config for mempool, along with the minFee. Each txn gets scored based on age of coins, amount in txn, size of txn, and fee, etc, once the size limit is reached if a txn does not meet the lowest ranking it is ignored, if it does then the lowest ranked txn is ejected to make space, and every once in a while the oldest and highest ranking txns in the mempool are rebroa
asciilifeform: and in ro, i presume, means something other ?
decimation: especially in honolulu where they cater to rich japanese
decimation: yeah hawaii has the best sushi I've eaten
decimation: it's actually almost impossible to tell exactly what kind of fish you are eating in the us
mircea_popescu: sprattus sprattus. that's what it is, the brisling
decimation: it turns out there's many kinds of 'sardine'
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decimation: asciilifeform: these are usually available in the us (safeway?) http://www.kingoscar.com/products-by-market/usa/usa-sardines/brisling-sardines-in-olive-oil-5.html
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm still snarfing up the log
ben_vulpes: (anyways, if anyone cares to poke holes in my proposed ghetto wot httpauthentication mechanism, plz do)
asciilifeform: to the point where ru immigrants sometimes are found to have lived on 'cat feed' for months
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended another costco today
decimation: asciilifeform: when buying from the german baker, I commented how my coworkers mock my sprat eating habits. her reply "always with the chicken this, chicken that"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe HE is the one with slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: not just because of stuff like the above asciilifeform comment, but also because well... huge.
asciilifeform: hey i started before you folks got hot & bothered
mircea_popescu: but yes, gossipd is the huge sort of project that looks like it'd benefit from a few failure reports from failed attempts before we seriously have a shot.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: so. seriously. what's the story with artifexd ?
mircea_popescu: seems great to me. what's the problem with it ?
decimation: the stuff below a few hundred km is okay, because it is 'swept' by atmosphere
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:56:25; ben_vulpes: there are a million ways to pull debris out of orbit.
decimation: to me the solution to spam is "pay me to read your email in bitcoin"
asciilifeform: hire - the brahmins
asciilifeform: they chase everyone with a pulse
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206950 << you clearly did not actually go to the arse chaser and ask for a job
ben_vulpes: there are a million ways to pull debris out of orbit.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will build the garbage scows.
ben_vulpes: the touchscreen however is an unredeemable text input device.
ben_vulpes: i use the gmail application.
ben_vulpes: my read at the time was "google is raping apple's mail experience"
trinque: there were a few, apple might've too
assbot: Google buys Sparrow, current apps will not get any new features | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdaDs6 )
ben_vulpes: no, apple purchased the only decent mail application for ios to preserve their mailnopoly
mircea_popescu: actually briefcase was yahoo i guess, the "media company"
trinque: ben_vulpes: isn't that something they purchased?
mircea_popescu: the mark cubanization of google.
mircea_popescu: they're still living off fucking google ads. which work about as good as an ant blowjob. since then, endless string of failures, briefcase, glass, g+ you name it
mircea_popescu: when's the last time google had a product ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but they've also stopped doing anything
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:30:21; mircea_popescu: anwyay, the notion that google hires derps with degrees is news to me. i thought nobody got to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year.
mircea_popescu: so like the most ellaborate nonce ever ?
ben_vulpes: (signed by a customer or allowed user or someone the service provider likes)
ben_vulpes: i thought up an http-auth thing recently: http request headers containing a signed hash of one of the last 2 blocks
mircea_popescu: decimation mp's law! when i was born, the first satellite had just cost a fortune. by the time i had my first threesome, they were doing consumer phone via satellite. as i made my self billion, fucing romania launched a satellite on a shoestring budget.
decimation: ben_vulpes: like the stator source?
ben_vulpes: i suppose that i'm pretty dumb for just downloading the source and expecting that i'll be able to compile it, huh?
decimation: for some reason the final link didn't work with bitcoind, gonna do some more research