diametric: ^ powder-gluing z-corp. similar but instead of melting powder together, it glues it with an inkjet type nozzle.
ascii_field: the giant powder-sintering thing
punkman: I've touched them
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229329 << these are not 'the 3d printer firms'. well, they are, but they make 'golden toilets' that no hobbyist ever touched
trinque: n6: btw, you survived gentoo quest; get in the wot :)
ascii_field: discovers the respective variables were zeroed out already.' << win
ascii_field: 'Except... it isn't. Ahh, that exquisite flavour on the roof of your mouth, when "Automatic Updates" pops up a textbox to "inform" you that your OS is "no longer supported"v which can not be closed because the process that spawned it died in a "futex wait me" state as if this is actually a fucking thing, and then it can't be turned off, because if one goes to follow the process that supposedly turns it off that one
trinque: in the case of bitcoind dev, sure, barriers are great
trinque: I'll hack on this over the weekend
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:28:09; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's what i want to accomplish, as a goal : i want to be able to put up a linux system, then go curl http://trilema.com/autobitcoin.sh | gpg -verify > autobitcoin.sh. and then run that autobitcoin.sh, which auto-follows the changes of people i have selected for this task, builds them and runs them
mircea_popescu: but yes. being able to tell new people "do http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225687 or else, AT YOUR OPTION, if you have the time, and the expertise, here'sd the source, read it, sign it, ml the receipt" way beats having to tell new people http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228947
trinque: certainly; I've got scripts around building these disk images already
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:28:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835 << aha. shoot the concept of "updates" in the head.
King_Rex: i am kicking myself for not joing the wot in '11
King_Rex: lurker, very interested in deedbot and the bitcoin foundation and your node efforts
mircea_popescu: "One campaign unit of fire was sufficient ammunition for one campaign - generally understood to be a three month supply.(21) This called for the following rounds per weapon: 1,000 rounds per field piece, 25,000 rounds per machine gun, and 240 rounds per rifle." << contrary to what one would expect on the basis of "aciton movies", the expected rate of fire of a rifle in war is ~2 shots/day.
mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct strategy.
mircea_popescu: o seek the decisive victory. The principal objective of the land operation was the destruction of the American landing force on the beach."
mircea_popescu: hin range of the homeland airbases, the entire air combat strength would be employed in continual night and day assaults against these ships. In conducting the air operations, the emphasis would be on the disruption of the American landing plans. The principal targets were to be the troop and equipment transports. Those American forces which succeeded in landing would be swiftly attacked by the Imperial Army in order t
mircea_popescu: "The strategy for Ketsu-Go was outlined in an 8 April 1945 Army Directive.(4) It stated that the Imperial Army would endeavor to crush the Americans while the invasion force was still at sea. They planned to deliver a decisive blow against the American naval force by initially destroying as many carriers as possible, utilizing the special attack forces of the Air Force and Navy. When the amphibious force approached wit
shinohai: I don't think that guy coud get *any* project off the ground. Darkwallet is a fail for sure.
mircea_popescu: the only difference being that the usg was not either powerful enough or attentive enough to give a shit either way about consoles in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: "let's redo the videogame winter because we're unique special snowflakes and who needs management"
scoopbot_revived: Varia varietatis, or your All-About-The-Mollusc guide. http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/
mircea_popescu: the game is very deeply meta atm, from what i've seen
mike_c: hopefully Eulora will accomodate me - someone who is perfectly happy with -ev as long as I'm having fun. This should help supply the people who are more interested in the money.
mircea_popescu: what doesn't work is the 'i made a level in five minutes so i'll make 500 levels in 20 hours' linear thing from grinder mmorpgs.
mike_c: I'll start poking again and see if danielpbarron can make use of me. He seems to be king of the land :)
mircea_popescu: the challenge in eulora, much like in business, is to scale up while maintaining profitability.
mircea_popescu: and you can always mine, and low q mined stuff fetches a high % premium relative to their net value
mircea_popescu: yeah, you're needed to overcraft high level items for high level crafters to get them bps
mike_c: Drank the murky what-not and cleared my head
BingoBoingo creatively thinking outloud and venting my hate at the noise machines
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:38:12; BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228860 << if you actually got bit by a coyote you must go get your rabies shots right now. the chickenshits don't dare attack humans, especially not adult males or when they're alone. << "acting" work of fiction it seems.
assbot: Mad Science Writer: The foreskin: Why is it such a secret in North America? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS9K9s )
mircea_popescu: http://madsciencewriter.blogspot.com.ar/2013/05/the-foreskin-why-is-it-such-secret-in.html << this is an excellent anatomy write-up but (as is common for the past five centuries for some reason), a very poor phisiopathology write-up. of particular note : phimosis IS an actual pathologic state even if broadly misused. and dxo and a number of other genuine afflictions of the prepuce do legitimately exist.
mircea_popescu: and the recent adition, those which have some untinking people in the userbase and don't carew.
mircea_popescu: there's basically three types of things in this world : those who have nobody thinking in the userbase and don't care ; those who have some thinking people in the userbase and don't care
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to coffee, breakfast, fire a girl, do the work she was supposed to do, and then the burbs for a sales meeting
mircea_popescu: or in any case, has some people whoi can actually think in the userbase.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally, it is written for folks who do the grunt work
mircea_popescu: you will perhaps notice wireshark is taking a saner view of btc protocol than the power rangers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't exactly know how they'd do a better job
asciilifeform: because the inspection isn't stateful
ben_vulpes: but with emphasis on the grand scope of my ignorance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as described in your article re: the herring fishermen, the scandinavians forgot what actual work looks like 1000 years ago.
ben_vulpes: i am unsurprised to learn that software does not produce human parseable output at the command line
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if it is to parse automatically on unattended spy satellite, then yes, something else, not wireshark
mircea_popescu: Why should I only get this handout only the months that I attend school? Explaining that he needs money for going out with his friends and buying clothes all year round, the young author concluded: I dont have anything against working. But if the government doesnt make sure that I have a job, it is their responsibility to pay me the handouts all year around.
ben_vulpes: i plan to take a hammer to the coracle's blockchain soon, would like to know if you see anything interesting in it
asciilifeform directs questions as to mircea_popescu's exercise of the -1 cannon to mircea_popescu directly
mircea_popescu: ed, people have adapted to the system."
mircea_popescu: "Sweden has traditionally relied heavily on the strong protestant work ethic of its citizens. A cornerstone of the country's welfare system has been a population which has been reluctant to misuse the system. Although taxes have been high and government benefits generous, the strong work ethic has stopped people from taking advantage of the welfare state. Alas, this attitude has been largely abandoned. As time has pass
ben_vulpes: i lack the cultural contex to appreciate "тунеядство" here
asciilifeform: but that music isn't playing today, except on the home organs of a few weirdos like yours truly
asciilifeform: there is a canon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and it cannot be said that i do not believe in a 'software canon.' just that very few folks have heard of it, just as j. s. bach's music did not play for two centuries at one point. e.g., mccarthy's 'lisp 1.5'; weizenbaum's 'eliza'; ... many others
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know which of these a group noun falls into chiefly depends on how you examine.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's no story. i dun trust him, an' now you know i don't.
asciilifeform: and respect the respectable.
asciilifeform: i despise the despicable
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not my fault there isn't a canon
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer
mircea_popescu: it deeply fascinates me how alf does feel the need to maintain a -publicly stated!!!- corpus of humanities cannon, yet nevertheless does not feel this need about a corpus of software cannon.
ben_vulpes: anywayz, what's the story with decimation, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: "and here's me in front of the sphinx. notice this other guy is speaking to me about the sphinx"
mircea_popescu: almost like they're a legion of japanese tourists
ben_vulpes: i finally left when he started talking about fuzzing the robocorps
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: notice that usg vermin are almost defined by their fondness of 'formalize but not really formalize
ben_vulpes: moreover "software is eating the law in the sense that bitcoin is here and we do gpg contracts now" is...beyond the derps.
mircea_popescu: it's "to shit" every time the contest moves from "who can hold his position in front of enemy with nary a care" to "who can hide best".
Adlai: crossbow marks the point where camping became +EV
asciilifeform: or is 'to shit' only when the affair drags on, rather than over in a day because massacre of the unprepared
ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing the point, i just don't see the point of engaging on 'formalizing the whole legal system' with a guy who generates xml from erb templates and thinks this is a good idea
mircea_popescu: notrly. recall the unfortunate adventure of one mr orsini ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes software is nevertheless eating law. except it happens somewhere other than there.
Adlai: which is itself dated by the crossbow
Adlai: both came long after the cannon
mircea_popescu: as orwell well observed, the airplane and the radio turned the war into a game of rats.
ben_vulpes: why the shit do i want to listen to the asshole responsible for the broswer about how software is going to eat law?
mircea_popescu: and the only thing "being a veteran" means is, "having loaded an endless list of don'ts"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the vet knew enough from experience to know the war is now a defensive affair, and the only thing that matters is not being killed.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked. << i was recently at a pitch from legaleze.io wherein the guy who runs the formdump site in question lionized marc andresen, and then displayed a pmarca tweet congratulating him for saying something 'grand' about 'software eating law'
mircea_popescu: why ? why should he wish for this ? after all, goebbels well observed "their determination" will make up for the lack of weaponry.
Adlai: it's much easier to look at the nature of warfare and say, "oh, it's changing like this, or like that", but the much more significant changes are in its *objectives*
mircea_popescu: i guess this is to some degree true. war changes to favour offensive or defensive in a cycle. there's an excelent scene in der untergang, where a veteran field officer surveying the killing zone through stereoscopic periscope sees a bunch of green vulksstrums and yells for them to get the very fuck out of there already!
Adlai: far from a 'videogame war', modern warfare is still quite shitty, but the precise nature (taste, color, proportion of black bile vs yellow) changes
mod6: hanbot: good news! thanks for the update
mircea_popescu: admire the irony of having been defeated by a quote from a videogame, in your quest to defend the videogame war.
mircea_popescu: didn't you say you eat them for breakfast ?
Adlai: it really just depends on the war
asciilifeform: american sailors would turn on electric razor, sparks, and winged rocket fell into the sea.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: forgive my thickness but what is the breakfast reference?
asciilifeform: radio-controlled fighting machines are not new. they were tried even by germany as 'wunderwaffen'
mircea_popescu: i always wondered if any star trek fans ever wondered what happens to the spaceship once saying "shields up!!" "shoot lasers!!" etc stops returning "enemy destroyed"
mircea_popescu: or the power stays on.
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles << and only until the em wars get serious
mircea_popescu: and, i might add, symptomatically, for the perspectives of being a libertard, the newly branded ustardian puritan.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's what they CALLED it.
mircea_popescu: worked about as well as you'd expect, on the basis of the record of ustardian puritans.
mircea_popescu: and if ytou cut it off the boys will be protected by Utilihova from becoming filthy fags.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ironically, because puritans of the 50s thought that the foreskin is a major factor in the disease of gayness
assbot: Mad Science Writer: The foreskin: Why is it such a secret in North America? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsXHRc )
asciilifeform: and click on the antecedents etc
mircea_popescu: and i am still reeling over how imbecillic philg got over the years srsly.
mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked.
mircea_popescu: consumer culture, that's it. "the car you sold me sucked, i want you to give me another one"
mircea_popescu: how come. i wish to know this. HOW THE FUCK COME!
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 10:53:39; assbot: There's a Firefox Exploit in the Wild—You Should Update Right Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuTYP5 )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228927 << how come these never read "devs fuck up "latest version" yet again. you should revert to last-known-good, from 5 years ago."
chetty: <mircea_popescu> i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.// thats a male point of view, I prefer male aesthetics myself
mircea_popescu: just like "the classical antiquity" seems to have made such excellent bronzes mostly because only the excellent ones survived the 9000+ cases where "must melt all bronze to make weapons".
Adlai: thus, 'gaytheist'
mircea_popescu: i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.
Adlai: until some gaytheist alchemist figures out how to turn jizz into stem cells
mircea_popescu: but the original, socialistoid, eisenhowerian proposition that "soldiering's a job - full employment!" died in a pool of its own lye.
Adlai: "soldier" isn't over, but he can accomplish a lot more from much closer to the AC unit
mircea_popescu: the soldier himself is as eternal as dirt.
mircea_popescu: the job of soldier has ended.
Adlai: drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles
chetty: THERE IS NOTHING USEFUL FOR MOST WOMEN TO DO.// or men
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it still is. who wants most people as pets ? not even the coyotes.
mircea_popescu: it's play-pretend work, for the intellectually immature girlies not yet ready to make their own dolls, still playing with barbie
mircea_popescu: other than stay the fuck at home and have babies, or else go to the bar and dance (the vertical bar ; nude dance) there is jack for her to do.
mircea_popescu: computers replaced secretaries. drones replaced soldiers. robots replaced coal miners. better detergents replaced the maid.
mircea_popescu: i know pretty much everyone here is very down on the whole concept, and perhaps you're right. but in point of fact, that thinking is at least in part supported by refusal to consider the plain fact that THERE IS NOTHING USEFUL FOR MOST WOMEN TO DO.
mircea_popescu: it's one of the precursors. i saw that and i went "fucking hell, pipes. again. the solution."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228968 << you just described the dataflow box, aha
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:29:10; mircea_popescu: fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.
mircea_popescu: punkman he's probably in it for the titties. until he discovers some discoveries. which is in the end the point of both travel and being a young male.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228873 << oh get the fuck out. making a baby takes half an hour tops. what is this!
chetty: fifty lines of code or less// so why even bother with a computer, just do it all in your head
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:38:12; BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228860 << if you actually got bit by a coyote you must go get your rabies shots right now. the chickenshits don't dare attack humans, especially not adult males or when they're alone.
mircea_popescu: this | that | tee | here & there.
mircea_popescu: fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835 << aha. shoot the concept of "updates" in the head.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:23:31; trinque: if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:21:08; ben_vulpes: "yes massa", in another age
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228808 << so your "Eating for breakfast" saying does after all have a figurative meaning, just not the one commonly used. more in the vein of http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rkzvquKC1r83bj4o1_r2_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: shinohai no but i just feel for the guy, gentoo is the last thing that made me want to burn the world, and through a very similar process as he describes.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo Haz you ever tried this browser? https://github.com/The-Compiler/qutebrowser
cazalla: too much effort shinohai, voat isn't that lulzy, it is just the more dedicated post 24/7 nigger hate type of shit
shinohai: Wait, there is a /v/coontown too
shinohai: cazalla: I think they are on voat somewhere, /v/niggers if memory serves ...
assbot: There's a Firefox Exploit in the Wild—You Should Update Right Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuTYP5 )
shinohai: More FF woes: http://gizmodo.com/theres-a-firefox-exploit-in-the-wild-you-should-update-1722658068?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
punkman: I'm guessing the cycle will be complete next generation.
punkman: Oldest son works the Big Four mines. Not rich, but paying off the loans for a couple apartment buildings.
punkman: Later, gets job offer through unemployment office. Manager asks if she has kids, oh you do? and you like them? naturally I won't hire you, so you can keep collecting unemployment. Next job, didn't look so great, she complains asks for different one. As the years pass, fewer job offers to fend off.
punkman: and an anecdote from Belgium. Greek woman's parents, mined/shoveled coal. Greek woman was maid in hotel, a little later worked the hotel bar. She gets pregnant, goes on leave. When leave is over, manager helpfully fires her so he can spend time with kid and claim unemployment benefits.
trinque: mod6: since grub is slow moving, might want to peg the guide to the current release with emerge =sys-boot/grub-2.02_beta2-r7 (or earlier) and use http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-08-2015#1228767
punkman: https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/ << got a buddy that's getting ready to move to Sweden, utterly convinced their shit doesn't stink, "advanced society", etc.
trinque: I don't think for a moment that anyone outside the US will buy his act
BingoBoingo: He's no more viable than the coyote I may or may not have kicked int he face in this past hour for the same reasons. He neck isn't strong. One swift kick to the neck and his head is in the wrong place.
trinque: look what the real estate bubble farted up
trinque: BingoBoingo: I depressed the shit out of myself listening to a Trump speech earlier
trinque: "put together this car engine"
trinque: I think it took me days to install gentoo the first time
trinque: I'm thinking a screen recording of the whole process would be helpful
assbot: The crime of being American on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa319h )
BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning
BingoBoingo: Fucking wild dogs that think they are small dogs ruining my chill weekday drinking night.
n6: wish my luck going to flip the bios
BingoBoingo: I go outside to piss on the runty rose bush to give it much needed nitrogen and coyote darts out from behind my own motorcarriage an nips me on the shin.
trinque: that one makes the grub config file
trinque: n6: yeah do everything the guide says
trinque: sounds like syslinux with dd on it and the thing could even be a script that says hi, which drive do you want me to obliterate?
trinque: I also already have tooling that shits out these disk images.
trinque: as do the ubuntus and debians
trinque: livecd does the same
ben_vulpes off to sing at the wee gestational bairn
ben_vulpes: <n6> might try openBSD after this.. << openbsd, an os that doesn't take much fucking with where bitcoin might actually build with vs gentoo where its known to build but the os cannot be built by mortals.
trinque: this causes a problem in the opposite direction when versions disappear from gentoo
trinque: if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed
trinque: I think what happened here is that grub may have switched the default target
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> "yes massa", in another age << How many weeks do you think I can pull off black face for that affirmative action. I think I might be able to do the six months it takes for Da Union to kick in, but...
ben_vulpes: "yes massa", in another age
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Any insight into what they like. I'm asking for the cause of bleeding some fiat off of Illinois.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ah bootstrap is the whole linux alf recommends
trinque: there's a bootloader called bootstrap?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode << More likely switch to bootstrap
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Assume your skull was rendered the consistency of rice pudding with a tack hammer, what would you immagine looking for in customer service folk?
trinque: yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode
ben_vulpes: iono bb i ask questions i don't answer them
ben_vulpes: gentle mumblings while i slide the 14-incher in
trinque: mircea_popescu: mod6: this leads me to believe that the default for grub has changed
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah just didn't want to diverge him from the guide again
ben_vulpes: <trinque> oh yeah? go to the portland django girls << you've actually done this?!
trinque: built the kernel?
trinque: n6: yup, finish up the guide
ben_vulpes: does the character now have a spaceship?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier << funtoo is actually gentoo with only OG dev's opinions
n6: I still have to flip the bios
trinque: I think last time you put the whole path?
ben_vulpes: aha i showed up in the middle of a gentoo quest i see
trinque: same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier
trinque: yeah, I was wrong about the plural
trinque: but that appears to pertain to the generation of grub's config, not its installation
trinque: rather, default
n6: I think only edited the grub_platform file to try efi
trinque: because in both cases it'd be because of a flaw, and neither you nor I know of the particular flaws in your firmware
trinque: but this decision wont help you in either case
n6: Do they come with backdoors also?
trinque: somehow you got it to double up the path bizarrely
n6: wait i might have --target in the wrong place
trinque: how does grub refer to the system architecture? how does ....
trinque: one of the major sources of pain in setting up linux this way is having different things which sound almost the same
trinque: n6: remember the partitioning step?
trinque: you have no need for EFI; I wouldn't bother
trinque: what's the matter with that? you're going to set CSM
n6: No, trying to work out where I go next, lost my place in the guide now
trinque: changed a setting in portage then told emerge to re-evaluate the currenty set list of desired packages (world) according to them
trinque: n6: so do you get what we did there?
BingoBoingo: Neither enough nor sufficient concerns
trinque: change that var then:
trinque: these vars are confusing, because they are split, making them appear to be separate categories
trinque: but first you must figure out where you changed the system to support EFI and change it back
trinque: you don't have to trash the whole thing; merely reboot, set CSM, boot the livecd, mount, and chroot again
trinque: the CSM thing I suggested is a way of setting EFI computers into a compatibility mode that behaves like BIOS