asciilifeform: reminds me of how, allegedly, a 'go' board and its stones made their way to leonhard euler. and he concluded that the game was played by tossing'em into the cavity at the bottom between the legs
mircea_popescu: mats do you detect the atrocious vulgarity of it or notrly ?
mats: an excerpt from a vaguely metaphysical and spiritual scifi series in the "ender's game" universe I read as a kid
assbot: Toxic mine water accidentally released by EPA in Colorado river flows south | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZnv7y )
cazalla: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/07/toxic-mine-water-epa-colorado-animas-river drink from the rivers of gold
assbot: Quote by Orson Scott Card: “A Great Rabbi stands, teaching in the marketpla...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpnknL )
mats: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/249409-a-great-rabbi-stands-teaching-in-the-marketplace-it-happens
n6: Statically built programs link to libraries the system controls and DETERMINISTIC has everything you need included?
mats: I claim the qing.
pete_dushenski: saw other kids ? sure.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: and that's a good point, i sure as fuck never drew these.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: who're you taking then ?
cazalla: pete_dushenski, that S thing is http://i.imgur.com/U9IsW.jpg and i'm pitching design proposals in the first place
cazalla: pete_dushenski, if it was a design proposal, you would be a little less stand offish when facing criticism, that said, it's the final product which explains why you've got yourself in a little tizzy
pete_dushenski: and if not, then my proposal sucks, and it's just lil' ol' me !
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i dunno what to tell you dude. if you don't like it, you can always take a yellow taxi with jurov. no one's holding a gun to your head around here. if more than one 'lord' likes the 'proposal', then 'lordS will have fender flags on their motor coaches'
mircea_popescu: ey did get it from the Landlord and of course, for free. So, the Landlord, now supremely pissed, went and confronted the guy running Crypsa. According to him, the guy just 'blubbered and stammered - he had no excuse.'. It's funny when people get caught in the act, but in this case, it was just sad."
mircea_popescu: "A friend's company took over an officespace previously rented by Crypsa, a Cryptocurrency Standards organization. They tried to sell us them their furnishings ... tables, chairs, etc. ... but my friend got a little suspicious, because they used to live on the same floor and heard that some people got free furnishings. So they approached the Landlord and asked where Crypsa got their furniture. It turns out that yes, th
mats: but to be fair decimation is the only fella regularly engaging in conversation here I can think of that doesn't contribute to LA serenissima
cazalla: pete_dushenski, what on earth would annoy me about something you drew (lifted) and pitched as your own design proposal? if the bar at which criticism bothers you is set so low, might be time to reevaluate things
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "chrysaanthemum"?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: there's layers here. if you insist on skimming from the top, you'll just get yourself annoyed.
asciilifeform: chrysanthemum ftw
asciilifeform: on their 'ohkas'
cazalla: pete_dushenski, then who is it for, just you personally? might want to correct your article then "a modest design proposal for La Serenissima" and youd better believe that #b-a Lords will have fender flags on their motor coaches"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: seen the duke engine?
pete_dushenski: the 'rotor' of cars !
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i'd fully expect to the vette to hold its value
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes gonna put it in his pocket and take across the sea ?
ben_vulpes: although i have hopes the corvette will preserve some of its value.
ben_vulpes: haven't rolled like that since the suburban i drove as a younger boy
ben_vulpes: everyone gets the fuck out of my way.
ben_vulpes: rather nice
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how's life with the vette btw ?
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:13:57; asciilifeform: (i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.)
ben_vulpes: i like the fingerprint tho, pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: cazalla: looky, the car and the flags are but a symbol, and until the underlying material fact of diplomatic immunity is a reality, a day i intend to see but am not deluded enough to believe is here yet, then it's for personal enjoyment.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> because ip is going away, there's no << hear har
mircea_popescu: speakin' of the 70s, http://40.media.tumblr.com/d204563f478431af09aeb9ed6587cd94/tumblr_n9eqluUk6D1tttg72o1_1280.jpg
cazalla: pete_dushenski, well you already have the merc and that's 99% of the way there to adding the flags
pete_dushenski: fender flags bending in the breeze
pete_dushenski: it's not like i'm taking this shit to get printed so i can cruise around downtown berlin at 200 kph with my ass out the window
phf_mobile: ben_vulpes: hey, if you have some time to try and build eulora, the following incantation should do it: brew tap homebrew/versions; brew tap pf/homebrew-eulora; brew install eulora; brew linkapps eulora
pete_dushenski: lol dude, that's the joke !
pete_dushenski: um, that's the point ?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: start with the easier one and work your way up
phf_mobile: but i'm .. more .. then .. a .. man
cazalla: pete_dushenski, do you mean for me to illustrate that S or actually draw that S into the logo?
phf_mobile: i remember oglaf from when before they had rss feed. so i wrote one and hosted it on my machine. i still get ~~100 requests for now long missing file a day
ben_vulpes: much less protracted than the viragh episode
gribble: decimation was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <decimation> I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you.
mircea_popescu: ahaha another oglaf fan ?
cazalla: although hers? who knows, tried the past 2 months and it didn't take yet
n6: Have lost the plot, how does all this help me with my wifi working?
mircea_popescu: depends on the ass.
cazalla: my missus had an elective c-section, made the day somewhat of a non-event when compared to hollywood/tv births
mircea_popescu: seems more like quarterwive and threequarterwive or w/e the case may be
mircea_popescu: are all of them midwives ?
asciilifeform: then multiple stators
mircea_popescu: btw, i understand this midwife business if you live with your wife and the other girl sleeps in between you two,
ben_vulpes: the midwife is a groat?
ben_vulpes: hottub in the snow?
ben_vulpes: doing anything wacky for the deploy?
assbot: Serious: brainwallet.org shutdown and now I am wondering how to get keys back from the phrase? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuNbck )
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:40:12; ben_vulpes: "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys???
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230278 and reddit delivers within the hour https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7na6/serious_brainwalletorg_shutdown_and_now_i_am/
mircea_popescu: wasn't one that punched through and fell past the ship ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most ended in the sea
ben_vulpes: but those to whom that work has been delegated have other probably more sane ideas
cazalla: was it someone else that mentioned it? getting confused with all these soon to be or recently arrived babies
ben_vulpes: girl on the left looks startlingly familiar
ben_vulpes: probably will for funsies, but it turns out the plan is to have a basinette next to the bed
asciilifeform: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Ohka-Popular-Mechanics-graphic.jpg << from american 'popular mech.' and hey, whats the pr0blem, fastest machine of its time !
asciilifeform: http://planemania.blogspot.com/2012/02/yokosuka-mxy7-ohka.html << linked for the sheer bowel-massaging power of the mistranslationz
ben_vulpes: do you want to do gentoo quest or do you want to play around with the callgraph generator?
n6: I started this graph thing on os x and it couldn't do the job. then ben_vulpes told me to try AWS, but you can't just give someone a spaceship they have to earn it.
ben_vulpes: in entirely unrelated news, the lil boy now kicks back when i poke at him
mircea_popescu has formally determined that the "what does deterministic mean here" inquiry can not be answered if "do you understand what static build is" comes out false.
asciilifeform: ^ the right idea.
asciilifeform: n6: means you get same result regardless of phase of the moon
ben_vulpes: designed things so as to prevent inquisitive operators from mutilating themselves?
n6: Tried to rebuild the kernal (I think) not really sure no understanding
ben_vulpes: look guy wants to build bitcoin, go do it over there in the gentoo virtualization sandbox that Ju5t Werkz!
ben_vulpes: the whole point is to not fuck with gentoo and just use something prebuilt
n6: before finding out about the real bitcoin guide.
n6: Not all keyboard hours a lot of time was spent trying to recompile on the free aws tier about 9
asciilifeform shudders at the thought of 19 ~actual keyboard hours~ somehow applied to gentoo
n6: asciilifeform: I'm not worried about the bone right now, only this graph. would be a shame if my 19 hours of gentoo installing came to nothing.
asciilifeform: n6: plug the 5v cylindrical jack in
mircea_popescu: the movie i mean
n6: Amazon gave it to go with a beagleboard then it didnt work at all.
phf_mobile: can't help it, the girl can't help it
ben_vulpes: that's the attitude
n6: It was never about the reward
ben_vulpes: dood you know the reward already went out for that thing right?
n6: Hard not to come back to finish after all the support given to me so far seems rude?
ben_vulpes: omg the trials of n6
assbot: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrqQ2 )
n6: I'm back again still trying to do http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958 I got gentoo working last night with the help of trinque and everyone else in here taking HOURS to help me. But today I stepped on the ethernet cable, and broke the modem in such a way cables won't work. I have a Edimax EW-7811Un but no clue how to go about getting this working with just a base install. and no internet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in principle stabbing and raping are the same activity. something modulates the behaviour so that you mostly stab does and mostly rape moes.
asciilifeform: ~somebody USED the uploader ?!!~
mircea_popescu: who the fuck comes up with this shit
mircea_popescu: motherfuckers.
mircea_popescu: wordpress file uploader removes all dots except the last one
ben_vulpes: aka 'have not yet slept with enough girls to have sampled the distribution'
asciilifeform: 'The picture becomes clearer when we hear the frequent use of 'moe' referring to specific elements or characteristics, such as 'weak girl moe,' 'young lady moe,' and 'glasses moe.' The meaning of 'glasses moe' refers to a taste that is taken with a character who wears glasses; furthermore, this taste fetishizes the feature itself of glasses-wearing. In this case, glasses are the 'moe' element.'
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moe | The new meaning of 'moe' is entirely caught up in issues surrounding hobbies and taste. Specifically, 'moe' means be attracted to a specific character or its ...
asciilifeform: and yes, 'don't judge the corkscrew, it could really be a clavichord'
mircea_popescu: the word for this is moe.
asciilifeform: but if that's all the archaeologist has - judge, judge.
mircea_popescu: you're not well advised to judge women by their looks.
mircea_popescu: anyone recalls the crazed dwarf from baldur's gate ?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 05:03:39; asciilifeform: to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon'
asciilifeform: than these photos.
asciilifeform: there isn't much else useful in ol'clitler
asciilifeform: why does the Al in bauxite matter ?
ben_vulpes: she's as wrinkly as any other senator now
mircea_popescu goes to nekkid parties / occsionally fucks a slavegirl in public but they never to date looked this shitty.
cazalla: well shit that slipped by my radar, i was looking more at the painted ass http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-2706084-1FFB770600000578-256_964x643.jpg
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 19:30:37; ascii_field: where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so
asciilifeform: 'Ryan is also the author of brainflayer, a utility that attempts to find a guided brute force solution to brainwallet addresses.'
ben_vulpes: oh yeah what's miss boring up to these days?
ben_vulpes: just a tiny lolfruit i picked for the lolfarm
ben_vulpes: Yes, I have an offline backup but say they did not? How can they find the equivalent thing to get back their keys???"
ben_vulpes: "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys???
assbot: 'The yearbook we never had!' An arts college in the 1970s where the hair was big, the parties raucous and nudity welcomed among the VERY liberal | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isv8hq )
cazalla: a search of "1970s college chicks" turns up http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706084/The-yearbook-never-An-arts-college-1970s-hair-big-parties-raucous-nudity-welcomed-VERY-liberal.html
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know the comparison is drastically unfair because fucktarded feminists of the 70s had nfi they are required to take nude cuntshots in bathroom or wear makeup
cazalla: mircea_popescu, one good, lucky, weird angled shot or in other words the exception that proves the rule, this ain't hot for a college chick
ben_vulpes: where have all the core devs gone
asciilifeform: oooh when will they eeever learn
ben_vulpes: 'when will they ever learn?'
asciilifeform: 'where did all the ' txspam 'go, long time paaaassing, where did the' txspam 'go, long time ago...'
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229411 <<< seems after about age 5 the wind changed and hillary has remained ugly ever since
asciilifeform: the last time this surfaced in a major way was when cnc lathe & mill were introduced, in the '50s (paper tape!) and engineers took to the notion that machinists could now be dispensed with
mircea_popescu: this is a recurring theme throughout the history of agrarian civilisations trying to internalise the industrial revolution - chiefly by putting a bit of their flesh i nthe machine. the jews supposedly making bread out of goy boy blood, the wine made by stepping on grapes, the sovet factory that ceased to work once they forbade huyspeak...
asciilifeform: the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks.
asciilifeform: the basic root of the matter is that 'industrial production' is an abstraction ~on top of~ craftsmanship in the same way as the digital computer is an abstraction on top of analogue solid-state physics
asciilifeform believes that this tale, if has any factual ground, is a corruption of some other thing that was actually physically plausible
asciilifeform: and a serious lapse in quality when somehow the staffing rotated and this was not done
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:07:42; mircea_popescu: there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230197 << there is a famous and quasi-mythological story about ww2 factory where ппш-41 ( http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/11/112064/1619943-ars57_6.jpg ) was made.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229902 << i bet you that if you ship the suit and the si, hf etc to danielpbarron he's washing it.
asciilifeform: (i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.)
mircea_popescu: whether it catches tho...
mircea_popescu: the only good news is that wot can in fact owrk for this puropose. it solves it completely.
asciilifeform: (among other)
mircea_popescu: because ip is going away, there's no fixing it.
mircea_popescu: so you know... that's the large thing here. unless we manage to make the wot actually work for this purpose
asciilifeform: like dks and the lisp machine blueprints, aha
mircea_popescu: so they took it to grave and fuck you.
mircea_popescu: there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share.
asciilifeform: the top hats!
mircea_popescu: the true answer is much more sad than that.
asciilifeform: for the mundane reason of wanting own si.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if only that were the answer.
asciilifeform: (it is interesting that - afaik - no detailed production masks, notes, etc. from sov. clones of dec, zilog, etc. ever surfaced publicly during the collapse. quite possibly this is pure misfortune, the net did not arrive in time to catch'em, and/or no one digitized the materials)
asciilifeform: where is the 'coop' z80 ?
mircea_popescu: the obvious one is the communitard "cooperative" thing socialists always rave about.
mircea_popescu: but the ev consideration, and the capital allocation consideration, and operations are three points forming a triangle
asciilifeform: was trying to think of some others
mircea_popescu: not even necessarily a likely or in any case the only stable solution
mircea_popescu: there were like 6 capital allocators
mircea_popescu: at the time, its ev was UNDEFINED
asciilifeform: but how do we end up ^there from _here
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of cannon in ww2. obviously, an -ev machinery IN OUR CURRENT PEACETIME TERMS.
mircea_popescu: yes there may be a why somewhere. maybe there is. maybe they jacked off and spludged in that shape. none of your busienss in any case.
mircea_popescu: "this is the sword we use"
asciilifeform: who then issue, like cannon?
mircea_popescu: does not mean there's room for any specified number of computers.
asciilifeform: and here is where we meet up with vlsi boojum: you can't do vlsi economically if there is room for six computers total.
mircea_popescu: so your choice of whether you want a good computer or not reduces to whether you're willing to live without the mass delusion of you know, "democracy" or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: if people get "salaries" for doing "work" which have to then be collected back from them - the mcdonald, walmart, windows and britney spears are unavoidable.
asciilifeform: hence my mental excursion in this gedankenexperiment to the world of j.s. bach and his organs
asciilifeform: my real question was 'is it possible to finance a computer without duping millions that they Must Upgrade Because (tm) ' ?
asciilifeform: at any rate, this edges into the territory of converting meters to litres and 'comparing the soft to the warm'
mircea_popescu: the point of comparison weould be "pile of scrap metal in the approximate shape of a desktop"
asciilifeform: there we go.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:10; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
asciilifeform: so perhaps computer can exist in the future of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230074 -- but only like an 18th c. church organ
asciilifeform: and then realized that virtually every tech entity of that period, is either dead or usgized
asciilifeform: i had this whole 'trip' while holding a ru z80 in my hands and wondering why there is no more where it came from
mircea_popescu: not so. average cost per kid over 1-18 is about 500k atm. that makes the stable cost quadrillions. computers don't cost that much.
asciilifeform: in just about any numbers one cares to pick. whether in minerals, or in joules, or in time of scarce experts tied up
mircea_popescu: you were financed the same way
asciilifeform: the notion i was trying to get at is that presently existing units were financed on 100% 'jam tomorrow'
mircea_popescu: but looky : man in space is -ev in the sense that if you make a bill of the required materials, and then divide the stores by that, you come to a number that's < world pop.
asciilifeform: was the rough of it
mircea_popescu: but this does not speak about the activity of computing, or automating, or process design. it merely speaks of the idiot in question, and his tribe.
mircea_popescu: time he spent = 10 to 100x time he saved, not to mention he saves time that's not worth saving in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the way "computer expert" approaches a problem ? first, he sits around imagining a problem that might be. then he comes up with the most theoretically-lovable way to solve a general problem three steps removed from what he imagined. then he proceeds to fail to implement a solution that mostly works.
mircea_popescu: there is a directly obvious place where this is true. the way i approach a problem ? i have someone do it by hand. after enough of this, i have someone else automatize the easy to automatize parts. it grows from there.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:32:20; asciilifeform: just to add to the already forming lsd trip in this thread: i'm not personally convinced that ic production HAS EVER BEEN +EV
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229807 << you'll have to explain how you measure the V.
mircea_popescu: chiefly for the reason discussed earlier. there is literally nothing most people can do that's worth paying btc for.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:28:04; asciilifeform: summary: nobody knows how to make selling computers +ev without the millions-of-planktonous-idiots market being involved somehow
trinque: maybe so; the guy kinda diverged from the guide, but then that was because he didn't know what EFI vs BIOS was
cazalla: trinque, wasn't implying that, more that if i could do it then probably anyone else here can do the same
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:37; trinque: I think the lesson here is that at least with current materials, they can't
mircea_popescu: sponsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. "
mircea_popescu: "I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're re
decimation: I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you.
asciilifeform: with the lot of us.
asciilifeform: said the fella who sweats blood on account of misbehaving computers.
asciilifeform: well, and that minerals are not even half of the problem.
mircea_popescu: fortunately there's very little actual matter consumed in vlsi.
asciilifeform: like the easter island statues.
asciilifeform: hypothesis, roughly, that vlsi might turn out to be yet another very expensive religious ritual
mircea_popescu: the soviets need stalin like i need my nail clippings.
mircea_popescu: the state, bulbously putrescent as it is, does not get to propose the false dichotomy - "us or nothing"
asciilifeform: whereas i suspect that it is only a small part of the great shortages
asciilifeform: and folks usually begin and end the discussion with minerals
mircea_popescu: there WILL be alternative.
mircea_popescu: that was broadly my point, that the infantile "usg closes down so we're closing this park, and you'll be sorry!11" dies right here.
asciilifeform: but sure, aside. there is still such a thing as -ev on civilization scale
mircea_popescu: well sure, it didn't save franz josef either. wtf.
mircea_popescu: can start with dead babies, enough c in there.
asciilifeform: sadly, more complicated. just the turbine lives and dies by plenty of petrol-based lube
asciilifeform: but not others.
asciilifeform: the age of petrol-to-food (however long that lasts) cancelled only that particular aspect of the conservation law