ben_vulpes: ah that's right, boost needs exceptions from the -e flag
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? << stali the "more official" distribution seems to still be in the planning phase
mircea_popescu: hitler's readily the last legitimate case.
mircea_popescu: the only legitimate way to become a king is at the hands of a priest whose knees are trembling.
asciilifeform: sorta like if somebody took moldbug's suggestion of digging up and reinstating the stewart monarchy somehow
asciilifeform: the whole experiment in bringing back emperors was a flop
mircea_popescu: (this is why the jp don't have the irght idea - the respect of they loath to insult is not worth the shit it's printed on)
ben_vulpes: when one reaches the top of the hill, naive optimization algo will simply not take you through the valley to the next hill
asciilifeform: or the japanese version of this, full-bore
asciilifeform: this is why kings, popes, have the right pattern
ben_vulpes: big institutional resistance to plucking the team up and depositing them elsewhere on the manifold.
ben_vulpes: the "minimal changes possible thing" keeps us hunting around local maxima
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:35:50; mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer
ben_vulpes: that's all i've ever wanted out of these scripts.
asciilifeform: let'em also go and de-swearword the soviet phaktory.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let'em come here and name then.
mircea_popescu: btw, the... let's call them "non stem" persons keeping their eye on this here thing because they're so interested in my magical dragon being and associatedpowers regularly observe that you people have horrid naming schemes and nymismatics generally.
ben_vulpes: trinque: set -xeu should do the trick, no?
ben_vulpes: ah well it'd help to edit the right script
trinque: in related news, my script works for both disk images and block devices; however, I need to figure out why the usb device isn't present at the time the initrd goes looking for root
ben_vulpes: adding the --host flag now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm penning a "racists and the racist idea" piece, should help.
phf: i've met xach a few times at post-ilc pub sessions, i think he's doing lisp consulting for clozure, but yeah i don't really know the details. i think him, fare, etc. would dismiss this place on superficial grounds being self proclaimed feminists. last i checked fare's twitter it was an equal mix of lisp conversations and sjw rhetoric
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net << very much this wtf.
ben_vulpes compiles openssl for the third time today
assbot: Re: Emacs vs VI, the final solution — Rob Warnock Lisp usenet archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01ST0 )
phf: xach.com/rpw3/articles/TJadnRSn8I_o8qHZ4p2dnA%40speakeasy.net.html and http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PqOdndt5Kr6E9BnUnZ2dnUVZ_juWnZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html (there's probably more, but it's worthwhile to read through those)
phf: williamdunne: rob warnock has a series of posts on how to use lisp effectively even if you don't have emacs running, i often find it a reasonable path for lisp novices, particularly when you don't want the complexity of emacs to get in the way of early explorations. http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/BJqdnd9R65ee3qDbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PJudnYz2hfC-HQbYnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://
ben_vulpes: always happy to indoctrinate another
williamdunne: Not used to using it, so another thing to learn
ben_vulpes: the incremental recompilation shit is mind-blowing
trinque: something around there
trinque: williamdunne: actually you probably just want to past stdout to print-object as the stream
trinque: I'ms ure there's some pretty printer too; I haven't used it
trinque: williamdunne: if you're in a slime repl, you can simply make mention of the symbol and right click the thing, and inspect
williamdunne: I found this and got excited, until I realized that they haven't written all that much..
williamdunne: Yeah, seems pretty good so far. Only bummer is that all of the libraries I can take advantage of elsewhere don't really exist, and if they do they are entirely undocumented
williamdunne: Yeah, I'll get that done. It's a really strange language coming from some of the more "modern" ones
trinque: you shouldn't even notice them
williamdunne: Although evidently he doesn't quite understand the concept of a private message yet
williamdunne: Scthoopbot isn't very inspiring at the moment. Just doing it as my hello lisp project
asciilifeform: and sure, go and scoop ocean out with a thimble. but doing it ~quickly~ is another matter.
asciilifeform: (will a typical tx, much less block, even fit in the 64k address space ?)
asciilifeform: but this does not magick away the problem of ~on what to develop~.
shinohai: Or, I could fire up the trs-80 and attempt to fit it all on cassette tape/
asciilifeform: but if you want to use bitcoin - suddenly there are all kinds of hard constraints
asciilifeform: it turned into a pathetically shabby imitation linux
asciilifeform: the latter runs on actual hardware which you may be able to find - but NO LONGER FITS IN BOOK
asciilifeform: what ~i~ would like is a modern unix that FITS IN A FUCKING BOOK like the sysv5 in 'the lions book'
asciilifeform: 'tis a 'hole through which the night leaks in'
asciilifeform: depressing that they're doing utf
mod6: asciilifeform: im with you there.
punkman: I like that there's a column named "Finished"
mod6: oh. ok. you want to us to try it on the new thing they're working on, or exisitng, or both and compare?
asciilifeform: in favour of something else that they wrote
asciilifeform: mod6: iirc they are dispensing with it entirely
asciilifeform: would be interesting to learn whether this actually lives peacefully with any existing proggy
asciilifeform: seems as if they are even abolishing 'busybox' in favour of something 'fits-in-head'-flavoured
asciilifeform: has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ?
trinque: would I think mostly be a change of the STAGE3 line
shinohai: Ubuntu was on the shittiest box I could find.
asciilifeform: try turning the gcc knob to some much earlier ver.
ben_vulpes: <ben_vulpes> will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?<< so then yes
ben_vulpes: put buildroot in the wrong place.
asciilifeform: rotor.sh, if you notice, sets up environment such that ~they~ and not your local system's are used for the builds
asciilifeform: this covers gcc and libc (musl in the provided config)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 1) binaries 2) headers which magick into existence when buildroot is built
asciilifeform: the money is seen as an entitlement
asciilifeform: mats: 'worth billions' in the usg empire has nothing to do with money, but with 'noble, aryan' blood
assbot: 16 firms worth billions even though they lose millions - Jan. 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj1Wxx )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is the untarred buildroot intended to live in toolchain or in the root of the rotor directory?
shinohai: Try the new test script. So easy a redditard *might* could build it.
mod6: funkenstein_: ok this is a new one for me. what are the detalis: debian 8, x86-64... ok. is this with the rotor/stator hand build from ascii's guide with tea? or my thing I just posted a bit a go rotor-TEST2.sh?
funkenstein_: if anyone still working the nursery, here's me failing to build buildroot on debian8: http://dpaste.com/0FXN1D4
funkenstein_: get to the rotor!
shinohai: Suddenly, Ethereum is not ready yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3gd2sp/ethereum_is_on_sale_yall/ctx4xt3
ben_vulpes is having trouble keeping all of the moving parts for this thing in head at once.
mod6: (14:54) <+asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net
ben_vulpes: how did rsync get in there?
mod6: All: If you are going to build the rotor-TEST2.sh on debian be advised that you may need the following installed: build-essential curl unzip python bc rsync
asciilifeform: good practice for when it is time for the one time pads, too.
asciilifeform: (enough of us have met in the meat)
asciilifeform: we are nearing the point where hashless pubkey distribution is practical
kakobrekla: also live on another planet
asciilifeform: get yer keys from a) the horse's mouth b) someone you've personally met who met (a)
asciilifeform: ^ or other archaeologists, explorerz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: someone can also not run this as a script and just run these commands one line at a time if they please.
asciilifeform: looks reasonable to naked eye. will test later when i get back to the machine where i do this.
mod6: its just the way that jurov demands that it works.
asciilifeform: this suggests that the dir structure was not created correctly
mod6: asciilifeform: only main change I had to make other than pulling down the TEST2 bundle itself was to add this: sed -i 's/bitcoin\/bitcoin\/src/bitcoin\/src/' rotor.sh
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: I propose adding that location echo to the script mod6 so as not to cause noob hair-pulling.
mircea_popescu: in other new, pervyleague http://41.media.tumblr.com/0a9640ea2d4186797493a3d96d0fd5ff/tumblr_nk4fke8iic1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg
ag3nt_zer0: shinahai: yeah wow... have you ever checked out the guitarist stanley jordan (plays two guitars touch tap technique)? that guy is amazing as well... good character too - walked away from fame and shit town to do music therapy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ag3nt_zer0: Dietrich Fischer Dieskau is the guy who cracked open the wonder of "classical" singing to me - Before him, I liked it, but didn't really feel connected to it in the same way that I was to sonic youth and nine inch nails haha... then I saw some videos of dieskau doing Schubert lierder and I was fuckiing blasted - the dude like physically changed into the different character of the song - and the lyrical sensibility of Schu
n6: it works fine if i boot into live cd and put the info in
shinohai thanks ag3nt_zer0 for the fine music selection ...
mircea_popescu: why not just put half an orange on the thing.
punkman: but do they have added vitamins?
asciilifeform: plus the phree usg condoms don't have fruit juices, built-in vibratory devices, and other nonsense
mircea_popescu: last i heard about a third of the kids pointedly wore army surpluss stuff.
asciilifeform: 2) no one wants to be seen as 'soviet' and using the standard phree ver.
mircea_popescu: i thought those were free on campus and still nobody uses them
mircea_popescu: they actually expect to be paid for condoms ?!
asciilifeform: by last Official count, the uni is 60-65% female.
asciilifeform: and i saw a curio that mircea_popescu might appreciate. the largest textbook shop was demolished and replaced with a kind of 'convenience store'. i went in, and saw that approximately 1/3 of the floor space was for menstrual products; a third - for condoms; and most of a third - for gurl phashion paraphernalia. (the small change remaining - iPnohe cabling, etc.)
asciilifeform: (this is their season)
asciilifeform: i just drove by the place. it is not only still standing but swarming with fresh chumpers
mircea_popescu: nobody ever won a war by killing the "high command".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way it works, is that nsf (usg direct) provided truck full of money. umd is just one of the bordellos with which this heap purchased whores
shinohai: Hopefully they dumped at $3 kek
mircea_popescu: i'm sure they'll make you whole, but if they don't you certainly can get a lawyer and sue them personally and u of maryland for joint and serveral liability.
assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1O3VS )
mircea_popescu: see http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/ for details of who to contact.
shinohai: This is the future of cryptocurrency .....
punkman: "While setting privacy permissions on the keys directory, insufficient error handling can cause the key files to not be written; this may be widespread on the Windows platform. As such, current versions of AlethZero and eth may include identities for which there exists no underlying key."
assbot: Hitler finds out Ethereum was dumped on the IPO - Altcoins Parody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBYBDw )
shinohai: BingoBoingo: make qntra piece? http://cointelegraph.com/news/115086/windows-ethereum-users-affected-by-private-key-bug
mircea_popescu: make some if they don't.
asciilifeform: they have those in usa ?
mircea_popescu: and the women.
asciilifeform: the general rule is that an item like this is known to 3 people: the fella who ordered it; the fella who implemented it; and the fella in charge of shooting either or both if they talk
mircea_popescu: so what are you waiting for. go get it! your list's there.
asciilifeform: i doubt very much that there are women in 'compartments'
mircea_popescu: that's your opening, srsly. "hey, I got your email off the cryptome leak thing. wanna go for a cup of coffee ?"
mircea_popescu: how about you date some agilent women then ?
asciilifeform: still waiting for the interesting seekretz
mircea_popescu: "we are observing the scene and waiting . you are not anonymous . expect us ." << notice a change ?
mircea_popescu: "there used to be such a thing as intestinal transit. sadly that ended one day some dude from paris, wisconsin didn't wipe his ass properly."
asciilifeform: symptom of the basic difficulty of escaping 'enemy with outposts in your head'
mircea_popescu: schmucks on one side of the twitter debate are "saving the environment" while schmucks at the other side are "liberty is at stake!!!"
asciilifeform: (based on clues in other sections)
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
mircea_popescu: obviously you took no programming, or otherwise you'd know you can't possibly dereference ... THE CONCEPT OF REFERENCE.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, /me lacks the patience for that page.
mircea_popescu: there is only one possible end game, and that is a thermodynamic constraint. otherwise, what fucking end game. some people will be slaves and some people will be stuck with the broadly unappealing job of herding them.
mircea_popescu: "5.1.3 The Ultimate Stake Let me stress what is ultimately at stake: Liberty itself. In this race between human farmers and free humans, there are only two possible end games: in the end, either we extirpate farming, by exterminating any would-be farmer, or they turn humans into cattle, and extirpate any free will by exterminating free men."
mircea_popescu reloads the page
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/bd2de1675743ceef8e270f91abcd9a99/tumblr_nnjacww45d1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg << like the first good one.
mircea_popescu: "1.1.4 The buck stops with you"
asciilifeform: hmm^2, definitely borrows material from us, rather than vice-versa.
mircea_popescu idly imagines what nazi germany'd have been like if instead of extermination camps, they just had laws that made jewish women go around naked and always say yes to cock.
mircea_popescu: recessive genes do not manifest by themselves, thus you can have unaffected carriers. thus they never die out.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing. why we still have hemophilia in spite of it not being desirable : dominant genes manifest by themselves, and thus you can't have unharmed carriers, and thus they die out under pressure.
mircea_popescu: derps never went to fucking school already. here's a little secret : the DEFINITION of a recessive gene is "the gene which never dies out"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz of today, "genocide of white race - all white women fuck black guys, white genes are recessive, future will be all black babies!!1"
asciilifeform: but doesn't hurt to illustrate the substantial a bit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are aware i was discussing the formal, not the substantial reality, rite?
asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, the number of black dudes inadequate about their penis ("it's only six and a half inches!!!") far exceedes the number of white dudes so worried (its like four dude.)
mircea_popescu: a people that was principally known for excewllent house servants a century ago is now suddenly and magically turned into this mythological black beast of southern yore ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must point out that this is only applicable to agricultural tribes. chechens and other migratories - not so! alpha leaves. raiding party.
mircea_popescu: "your job is to X and i don't recall asking if you were rather equipped for Y mr. whatsyourname!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a second if you will, how utterly it must suck to be one of the paki betas. which yes, all groups have in the same proportion everywhere, and what's more
mircea_popescu: i think by now it takes about a dozen englishmen to screw in the lightbulb so to speak.
asciilifeform: think, without pakis, how much less air compressor for the real estate bubble in paki-free zones
mircea_popescu: at least the turks just massacred the armenians. what their allies the anglos did in east india...
asciilifeform: (yes, the pakis are enforcers for usg.)
asciilifeform: the pakis are a designated imported predator, as per 'yi yi zhi yi' algo. they are doing their job.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 14:08:56; mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?
kakobrekla: the good thing is chinese dont give a fuck and copy it for a buck, but it works only for a week, if.
mircea_popescu: somehow the crappleheads took deliberate bugs for features throughout the lifetime of that scam.
mircea_popescu remembers the days last decade when apple was making money by including a two inch cable for chargers and selling a normal length one.
shinohai: But they have a nifty snake-like auto charger now!
mircea_popescu: which is suppose is technically better than it catching fire, but this is only from the pov of anyone but tesla.
mircea_popescu: their "home battery" thing isn't catching on.
mircea_popescu: i would guess their costs balooned unexpectedly after they had the marketing discussion and fixed a price point
mircea_popescu: if a car costs more to make than it retails for, it costs more to make than it should by about 50%. you think volksvagen spends 20k to make a car they sell for 30 ? they don't.
mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?
kakobrekla: how much the car costs 100k?
mircea_popescu: because yeah, doubling down against mp ever fucking worked. so maryland uni really wants to "win" at internets, right ? digs itself deeper, alf thinks hey, they're home free. i say it won't last, he says nothing ever lasts, we're at a standoff.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 11:14:06; kakobrekla: backed by the govt.
mircea_popescu: because what do the kiddies watching know.
mircea_popescu: in fact im pretty sure he's just doing a stewart repackaging, but with more "support the government!" spam in it.
assbot: "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9xolV )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ < this one.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 07:45:20; pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232108 << i never watched any of the first or much of the second, but it is painfully obvious even from five minutes no matter how chosen that the principal function of the stewart twerp is exactly the same thing as with that other one what's his face.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 06:28:55; phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether
mircea_popescu: of a girlfriend of hers rather than a man she'll tell you.
mircea_popescu: whereas if you do not, she ~might~, maybe, manage to maintain superior brain function control over the rest of herself, and be some sort of a first approximation of the above. maybe. or maybe she won't, and go seek to be assuaged in the arms of other men, more inclined to provide the need - for it is a need. the surogates may work or not, but generally dont, and you'll know about it because if she thinks you're enough
mircea_popescu: and in all this rests a lesson for practical everyday use, too. if you are actually man enough to let your girl know you'll beat the shit out of her if need be, which you generally won't even need to do after an initial stage of infantile testing of the theory as proposed, she'll be the most loving, loyal and internally happy woman that she could ever be.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure "the commerce clause" allows one to invade and try rotherdam just as well as it allows one to put the silkroad derp in prison and try miloshevich. why the fuck not, after all.
mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?
mircea_popescu: the fucking township in question has to pay independent experts to come and inquire, because it's fucking 1600 iowa over there in rotherdam.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the fucking ~times~ has to do its own investigation because the reps of the crown are completely lost in their pipe dreams to the point they're covering themselves in the mud of publicly ridicule eagery and with both hands.
mircea_popescu: the entire fancy with western society and emancipation and freedom and have you rests on the reserve, no matter how muted, that "it's either this or we rape you". it needs to sit there like the nuclear option needs to sit on the table, for once it goes away, twelve fucking year olds choose, of their own fucking free will, to join the pakis for an all night / all weekend / all the years to come anal stretching, caned bu
mircea_popescu: that's the discussion. there is not now, nor was ever, nor will ever be invented a manner, stratagem or device to circumvent activity, or to make the passive on par with the active.
mircea_popescu: offered the simple choice of A. stick with the alleged representatives of the schmucks that trade pictures of your rape and jack off in "online anonymity" and joining the raping party, she chooses to join the raping party.
mircea_popescu: the alternative, where he texts a chick "hey, we got our sister, we're torturing her, come join" just as the chick in question was giving testimony to the supposed government of the uk - a more illegitimate contrivance never having been known to man, incidentally, they have all the legitimacy to govern kim jong il's favourite dog does.
mircea_popescu: this is the whole thing. what'd you tell a guy who wants to rape twelve year olds ? that it's bad ? he did not ask you that. and you can tell him to you know, wait around on social media untill the cute teenie across the street douses herself in gasoline and invites him over.
mircea_popescu: we don't really know what the paki people who want this do, chiefly because we don't want to. but if we do : in pakistan, they go right the fuck ahead and rape the lot. and in rotherdam, england, they do the exact same.
mircea_popescu: the white people who want this generally sit around the internet "being cypherpunks" and exchanging... depictions of the act. and often enough being "caught" and "prosecuted", on the very untenable rationale that their engagement in the victimless "crime" of exchanging bits somehow promotes and empowers the actual people doing the actual crime of you know, raping preteens.
mircea_popescu: some people, for reasons nobody really grasps in spite of trying for millenia (yes, it's a thing since forever) and in spite of having maybe some decent theories, want to fuck twelve year olds.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 05:26:46; mircea_popescu: apropos of nothing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
kakobrekla: backed by the govt.
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shinohai: Sound like just another MLM scam to me.
shinohai: lol ... "Your ticket to the moon"
shinohai: If you want to be an Ethereum god, nows yer chance.
assbot: Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )
shinohai: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ <<< top kek
wywialm: thanks for the info, could you point to more details?
wywialm: punkman, is there something that i should be aware of in case of openpgp.js? is it flawed?
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 17:36:20; phf: i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian
wywialm: ben_vulpes, the application is currently a standalone python app, not a web browser app. We are working on a convenient in-browser app that would work with PGP
punkman: (if you use bitcoin_only.sh gotta change it there too)
punkman: although there's that gcc failure on bzip, might be a problem
pete_dushenski: i'm about as n00bing as they come around here and i still feel like i'm shockingly, wonderfully close to making rotor work
punkman: open rotor.sh, look at the filepaths
punkman: pete_dushenski: consider this "gcc, toolchain, etc. will LOAD FROM THE NET!" since you seem to be running it as root
pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."
pete_dushenski: weird, i tried 'locale-gen' and it came back with 'generation complete', then threw the same error when i tried to 'make' again
punkman: (or set them manually)
punkman: fukken locales, I hate them
gribble: The operation succeeded.