assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 15:41:57; asciilifeform: if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram
mircea_popescu: there's an elided [just] in there, which the illiterately-literate have no idea about.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:46:10; funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237078 << "humans are not animals" is in the vein of "crickets are not bugs - they also sing."
mircea_popescu: obviously once rigurous education is abandoned, the whole of society reverts to a "tribe of monkeys" levels.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:02:03; asciilifeform: wtf is the point.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237047 << purely formal approach to life. about at the level of intellectual maturity of pubers that scribble down their name + sexual interest's.
mircea_popescu: overheard in #eulora : <diana_coman> the middle road is shit
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kakobrekla: to impress the gurlz!
asciilifeform: aha then
asciilifeform: where the old hosts still resolve to something working
asciilifeform: prolly reroute of traffic out of .ir at the backbone
asciilifeform: would be interesting to learn how it contacts the apparently-dead c&c boxes
trinque: the amount of time it takes to "fix" things like this is... notable
mats: race ya to the bottom.
asciilifeform: the less room for 'oops', the harder it is for scoundrels to masquerade as imbeciles.
asciilifeform: y'know, like they had in 1978.
asciilifeform: aaaaand i'm still a loonie for calling for, among other things, a cpu with hardware bounds checking.
asciilifeform: call to the new operator will truncate that value down to fit into a 32-bit integer, thus allocating an undersized buffer. Subsequently, chunk_size worth of data is read into this undersized buffer. Even if the value is truncated to 32-bits, the function will still read 0xFFFFFFFF bytes into the buffer, leading to a heap overflow...'
asciilifeform: 'For example, if a malicious MP4 is crafted with a chunk_size of 0x1ffffffff (notice this is larger than a 32-bit value) the faulty overflow check will be bypassed because chunk_size > SIZE_MAX. Next, chunk_size is added to size. If size is any value greater than 0, an integer overflow will occur. If, for instance, size is 1, the addition will result in a value of 0x200000000, which is larger than a 32-bit value. The following
asciilifeform: 'Despite our notification (and their confirmation), Google is still currently distributing the faulty patch to Android devices via OTA updates.'
mats: project0 too busy chasing the sexy bugs
asciilifeform: 'In summary, the Stagefright disclosure process was an interesting one to observe. The (un)surprising outcome being that given all the exposure this vulnerability received combined with essentially infinite resources on the vendor side, effective security mitigations were still not deployed.'
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phf: the idea that "would do better job with better tools" applies very differently when you're dealing with people who are already operating at near capacity and would benefit from a better tool
phf: mircea_popescu: i see the parallels, yeah i was insulated from that sort of mentality, but i was also insulated from the stupid and the lazy
asciilifeform: for instance, when my brother was a uni student and took 'operating systems', they were stuck testing on actual 486 and reboot, reboot, 500 times a day with precious little meaningful output
ag3nt_zer0: on another note I was doing some reading on the history of astrology yesterday and came across the "fact" that originally, in mesopotamia, what became astrology began as a simple catalog of omens, reflected in "if this, then that" statements... this avenue was state-sponsered too... just got me thinking of the "evolution" of this logic and how these same statements are now applied to exclusively reductionist pragmatic mat
mircea_popescu: maybe not that far, but certainly in between the two.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools" << now, if it were simply a matter of strength and weakness, one could argue that 'more folks could dig well with bulldozer than with spade'
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 09:59:16; shinohai: Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.
mircea_popescu: poor old guy, gets isolated because people are getting incredibly weirder, and then when he tries to break out that's grounds for further isolation ?
mircea_popescu: to my eyes what separates these is a major chasm.
ag3nt_zer0: I wouldn't want it any other way
asciilifeform did all but two grades in the land of mordor
ag3nt_zer0: okay thanks for the byzantine feedback
mircea_popescu: this was a major thought cleavage, which i noticed at the time, and i noticed that people were actually visibly... peculiar about other things.
mircea_popescu: the societal consensus being at the time that "to the best worker belong the best tools"
mircea_popescu: well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools"
mircea_popescu: right after the 90s these "englightened" folks started to pop up, usually looking just like steve jobs
mircea_popescu: phf no no, i dunno if you ever met these or not, but
asciilifeform: cn, like ru, has plenty of experience (which arguably neither ever fully recovered from!) of being ruled by foreign yoke
mircea_popescu: it's rank nonsense, they love it (perhaps for good reason) like you love washington.
mircea_popescu: the notion that people in china dislike their government to any degree is not unlike claiming that there's going to be a peasant revolt that'll shoot stalin', where stalin' = stalin - 99.9% of the killings.
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: it matters to cn only in the sense that your body killing a particular bacterium you ate last night matters to you.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you have to understand that this entire "market" thing is more of a DoS thing than a local thing. there isn't a substantial similarity between ukraina and china that makes both appear in the press you read as "so and so square".
mircea_popescu: phf don't get me wrong, i'd love for it to work. i'd also love for the "not beating kids makes them smarter" and "all education should consist of is encouragement" nonsense to work.
asciilifeform: (if you are specifically interested in cn matters, mandarin. if you just want to unplug from the idiot anglo cultural matrix, ru.)
phf: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've not reevaluated it since the last time i thought it, which was 2005 or so
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: a while back we were having an exchange about tienanmen and it's relation (or non) to the fall of the wall... I have looked a bit in the direction you indicated but haven't found so much... you got any rcommended paths for that ?
asciilifeform: the 'mircea is a gurl' meme lives on, in that thread
asciilifeform: we learned the seekrit.
asciilifeform: hanbot you can turn off the android now
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the top google result for i will pay for your tits is still me.
mircea_popescu: but i liked the part about "he abandoned twitter so is no longer reachable"
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/3gus46/did_anyone_take_mircea_popescus_offer_hed_need/ << reddit has circlejerk. somehow it fails to read "oh shit, if only we had any money then. or now" and isntead reads "oh how mp is bad mkay"
mircea_popescu: do people naturally forget to breathe ?
mircea_popescu: but there's nothing "naturally" about stupidity.
mircea_popescu: so the solution remains to plug the holes in the heads. either alf style, with bullets, or else wot style, or somehow unknown yet.
phf: in the sql example, it's sql_execute('select * from ' + sql_var_sanitize(variable)). naturally people keep forgetting the sql_var_sanitize
mircea_popescu: and the rest can not be mechanically helped.
mircea_popescu: it turns out that the sort of people who write good code write it in asm for a z80 or in c
mircea_popescu: phf iirc this theory was variously tried and failed to deliver.
phf: traditional infosec solution to problems like that is a proactive bandaid and then yelling at people for not using bandaid appropriately
phf: e.g. sql_execute takes character arrays. if your sql_execute took ASTs instead, well, in that case you can't violate the assumptions of the abstraction
phf: mats: well, i actually meant the opposite. classes of attacks can be eliminated by not using c. i think that majority of the attacks come from leaky abstractions. there's no <string> in c, but there's a null terminated memory region. there's no <sql> in perl, but there's a character array with sql text in it. one of the solutions is to plug abstraction holes on a level of the language, in such a way that you can't not use improved abstractions
asciilifeform: slow, painful process, like teaching the water closet to india.
asciilifeform: the poor english folks have not invented this technology yet. so gotta teach'em.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.)
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: sheath, you have traded places with the *pederasti* - now you are sighted, and they are blind. Now you no longer struggle in the darkness with something foggy and omnipresent, which softly absorbs every blow - instead, you can now clearly make out a pathetic piece of shit, which has smeared itself over the most important part - the eyes - of a large and powerful man. You can now deal blows, directly s
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
asciilifeform: usg's most effective weapon is the learned helplessness of schmucks who accept 'being pwned is inevitable fact of life'
asciilifeform: mats: folks who begin from 'mitigation' position, cannot win by definition. they aren't even trying to. just to 'lose more slowly'
mats: there are criminals to catch and people to save, regardless
asciilifeform: how many of these would be caught by, e.g., 'cyclone' ?
asciilifeform: (or at least read the medalists' entries)
mats: hey, i've maintained that its about increasing cost. not preventing the barbarians from entering.
mats: dunno man. maybe i'm lost in the matrix.
asciilifeform: the cost of dredging up an 0day from the infinite stash of stuxnetiana is still zero (for usg)
mats: i didn't say that. but _the cost of attack can still be substantially increased_
mats: anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI
phf: turdels all the way down
asciilifeform: then again, 99% of the time spent by folks who aren't me, thus far, appears to have been spent chasing various annoying little misconfigurations
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237091 << if you recall, this was my original (~6 mo. ago) suggestion for how to do development on therealbitcoin. but a number of folks (chiefly mircea_popescu) did not like it. for entirely logical reasons
asciilifeform: sinking on the ship is - voluntary.
mats: this is the ship we got, and its underway. for those on it, the holes must be plugged; we cannot return to port and build anew
mats: as I think more about it, there may yet be a software solution... will share later. asciilifeform will not like it - this involves, inevitably, a multitude of mitigations
asciilifeform: the ultimate systemic solution is 'fits-in-head'
asciilifeform: (burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines)
phf: mats: there's a systematic solution to an entire class of problems. in the poor people world perl "solved" buffer overflows on string input by closing the abstraction leak, meanwhile introducing its own leaky abstraction, i.e. string injection attacks. the solution to that problem was known for 50 years now, specifically structured/validated data
mats: the problems phf speaks of, which I imagine are endemic vulns in software
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:43:50; mats: there is no systematic solution to be had
asciilifeform: they didn't even 'clearance' the slaves, as this costs far too much and eats into the margins
phf: i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.
mats: just shrinking the attack surface a bit.
mats: there is no systematic solution to be had
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asciilifeform: a simple calculation shows that - unless one is extraordinarily lucky - the effort which goes into finding a typical vuln, vs the typical 'bug bounty' offered by, e.g., microshit, works out to approximately u.s. minimum wage.
asciilifeform: because they are not 19
asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make is that: i hypothesize that the '0day market' consists very largely of folks who are sitting on 0day and not 'marketing' at all
asciilifeform: it is virtually always the same kind of thing.
asciilifeform: but occasionally read the slides, at the instigation of colleagues and various other folks
asciilifeform: for the record, i have never attended such an event
phf: c solutions that address problems at the core
phf: when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negative desire to come up with systemati
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way it presently works is that the seller is at the total mercy of the buyer. disposable 19y.o. puts up with this because he is fucked in the head. a grown man - typically - does not
asciilifeform: also fewer 'eiffel towers built of matchsticks' - elaborately labyrinthine 'rube goldberg' machines, like the last third of that slide deck, which ultimately sum to 'i read a 486 manual taken from a dumpster'
asciilifeform: phf: there was, at one time, considerably less flavour of scammitude and in-your-face lying
asciilifeform: it isn't even because i expect to meet up with folks who pay the 'fair price' at some future time,
asciilifeform: where plenty of folks just sit on the goods, 'because fuck you'
asciilifeform: but what they have really succeeded in is creating a 'fuck-you market'
asciilifeform: while giving the goods away for almost nothing
asciilifeform: where thousands of disposable 19-year-olds fight for a chance to publicly measure their cocks
asciilifeform: vendors want the 0day market to be a 'tournament market'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it << You have well founded suspicions of what happens to the unannoited who sell
BingoBoingo: Seems people finally got the memo that if you find it you can sell it.
phf: asciilifeform: i think that's a standard blackhat fair. i think the useful part is another cubbyhole to put rootkit fallback hooks, but it's presented like an earth shattering revelation, because
BingoBoingo has a feeling asciilifeform could be the entire speaker slate at blackhat with things known since time immemorial. A few years ago I thought things being presented were novel. Now I look at the program and see loads of snore.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237135 << so, i read the slides. 1) 20MB powerpoint pdf turd?!!! wtf, people. 2) the picture which implies priv escalation is disingenuous. there is, just as i said earlier, no esclation. you gotta be in ring0 to move the apic window. NONE OF THIS SHIT WAS SECRET, how did they even get a talking slot at 'blackhat' ?
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:44:54; pete_dushenski: shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !
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asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/intel_pays_double_for_women_and_ethnic_minorities << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: where the cpu needs to do a certain brief chore in an os-agnostic way
phf: seems reminiscent of bios virii from back then. "if you boot this floopy..! well, no shit"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the typical application for smm is items like the screen brightness keys found on laptops
asciilifeform: including, say, your ethernet card
asciilifeform: the apic thing is also a snore, in the sense of NO SHIT anything that sits on the bus can read from arbitrary physical ram
pete_dushenski: "So Domas looked through Intel's sample SMM code, which is provided to firmware vendors to bake into motherboards. It turns out that pretty much all vendors use Intel's template SMM code."
asciilifeform: (ring0 code can still trigger smi by writing particular vendor-specific magic to the southbridge, but this is in no sense a vuln)
asciilifeform: likewise you can turn off all sources of smi (system managament interrupt) that put the machine in smm handler to begin with
asciilifeform: if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: so amd is no cure for this nonsense ? and i'm guessing ppc is in the same boat ?
pete_dushenski: "When the Pentium Pro (a P6 family chip) arrived in 1995, Intel allowed kernel-level developers to reprogram the local APIC so that it would appear elsewhere in physical memory. This was handy for moving the local APIC out of the way of low-level software that expected to use that high 0xFEE00000 address for something else."
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 15:26:25; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237119 << howling idiocy. smm has been in the official docs, from intel and amd both, since 486.
pete_dushenski: "The good news is that Intel spotted the howler in its processor blueprints, and corrected the issue: chips built from January 2011 and onwards (Sandy Bridge Core CPUs and later) are not affected. " << highly suspicious
pete_dushenski: if this doesn't have you hunting the local classifieds for amd opterons and fxes, i dunno what will
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pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:"The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts"
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
pete_dushenski: it may go back to the 2-3 per week it was in its first ~6 months before it ramped up to the current 4-5 per week
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: i imagine that contravex posts will either become shorter or slightly less frequent, but we shall see
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: frass.woodcoin.org <-- another place I display my ignorance from time to time
pete_dushenski: from what i recall of it, i'd much rather read funkenstein_'s writings than this junk http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220877. as prophetic as this bit of ta was
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_ speaking of nothing, are you still blogging much ? and what was the name of your site again ?
funkenstein_: I must say the rotor is a software release like no other I have seen, yes very deterministic
pete_dushenski: cool. i'm currently wandering through 'inside the whale'
funkenstein_: from the orwel series
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: who's the author of this quote ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 'tevye' the debian 7 rotor lives !
funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?
shinohai: I liked this morning article as well. You may have noticed I fumbled the syntax.
funkenstein_: "For man only stays human by preserving large patches of simplicity in his life, while the tendency of many modern inventions-in particular the film, the radio and the aeroplane-is to weaken his consciousness, dull his curiosity, and, in general, drive him nearer to the animals."
pete_dushenski: shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !
asciilifeform: then we can go full circle to the old days when there was no such thing as a car you couldn't start by hand
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236984 << can't wait for these to come with a cranked dynamo (preferably in the cab proper, perhaps somewhere under dashboard?)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236842 << all three of these were translated (the traditional ru single-voice crappy dub) and i saw'em as a boy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: funny how these things get recycled forever.
asciilifeform: from this point on, this applies to anyone who wants help in building the thing
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:16; mircea_popescu: <phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.
asciilifeform: smoke screen is the only rational explanation i can think of thus far.
asciilifeform: wtf is the point.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236825 << looks like. there is this standard pattern of 'mentions interesting people/events, but no apparent contribution to the subject'
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 06:38:31; *: BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...
shinohai: Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.
cazalla: another trick is to import chinese grown produce into australia by way of new zealand so can smack a "made in new zealand" label on it
cazalla: there was some media attention to that effect just a few months ago here.. imported chinese garlic sold as australia.. fucking food labelling here is so awful that you cannot know what comes from where.. example "made in australia from local and imported ingredients"
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236757 <<< can vouch for this.. the 80 year old guy over the fence is always inviting me over to just stroll into his backyard and take what i want.. tools, veggies, whatever, help yourself he says but he is also a little senile so i've not taken up the offer lest he call the police because some intruder is in the backyard
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 13:15:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235694 << if i had to move to another usg fiefdom, why not, e.g., midwest usa instead? same as australia, but easier resupply and fewer natural hazards
BingoBoingo looks at the varied IRL contacts Bingo has been polite enough to introduce to BTC and wonder whether too soon or wrong target leaning towards the latter.
BingoBoingo: The lawyer who has taken custody of my planetary acquainance is a good person though. I trust she will keep him safe. Her political opinions are close to Pete's except for the Bitcoin is going to burn the world part.
BingoBoingo: No way to avoid the mold
BingoBoingo: Because it was the wrong kind of bog.
BingoBoingo: In the native language of the displaced folk, apparently Chicago meant "place that reeks of onion"
BingoBoingo: Not long ago they pointed it away from Lake Michigan
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But take comfort. The "Chicago River" is a 21st century open sewer
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If any part of the "Chicago River" is in a frame most of use can smell it.
BingoBoingo: The same way ESPN is mostly "athletes" but "retired"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: they can always film in chicago and call it nyc, throw in some pixels so no one notices
mircea_popescu: it's about the same as buying "seer advice". you can pay as much as you want to, but you should buy the cheapest.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: btw, what's the going rate for online ads these days ? sounds like cpm is dead, but do you know 'average' cpc off-hand ?
pete_dushenski: 30 rock might actually be the last tv show i watched that had me in stitches
pete_dushenski: 30 rock was theirs.
mircea_popescu: for 20 years now, they've not caught a break.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they buy 5-20 shows a yerar.
BingoBoingo likes the hollywood dichotomy of break your neck on a stool vs. buy a house in Jersey
BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what else has nbc bought in the last 5 years ?
mircea_popescu: nothing nbc bought in the past 2-12-20 billion has turned out worth anything
pete_dushenski: "Vox Media, a publishing house for the digital age, has landed a $200 million strategic investment from the entertainment group NBCUniversal"
mircea_popescu: apparently obamacare doesn't make the lithium strong enough anymore.
fluffypony: This account is being sold soon, so please do not trust anyone on this account who says they are the original woodcollector.
fluffypony: As the new owner of this account I have removed any feedback left by the previous owner as a courtesy before I sell the account.
mircea_popescu: Children afraid of the dark
mircea_popescu: The music must always play,
mircea_popescu: The lights must never go out.
mircea_popescu: from listening attentively to the music and thus prevents the onset of that dreaded thing, thought. For:
mircea_popescu: though it is manipulated from time to time so as to make sure that only light music will come out of it. I know people who will keep the radio playing all through a meal and at the same time continue talking just loudly enough for the voices and the music to cancel out. This is done with a definite purpose. The music prevents the conversation from becoming serious or even coherent, while the chatter of voices stops one
mircea_popescu: The music-and if possible it should be the same music for everybody-is the most important ingredient. Its function is to prevent thought and conversation, and to shut out any natural sound, such as the song of birds or the whistling of the wind, that might otherwise intrude. The radio is already consciously used for this purpose by innumerable people. In very many English homes the radio is literally never turned off,
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BingoBoingo: Oh, liberast twist in "Cinderella Man" is wife doesn't want him to risk it for the children
trinque: didn't see the film, but now I can see wanting to
wilbns: didn't see the movie, but there was all kinds of wacked out stuff happening in the cartoon. that was the first time i think i saw two animated characters getting it on w/ each other
mircea_popescu: saw the film of that thing, because hot chick. was thoroughly disappointed.
wilbns: after hanna barbera stuff and disney cartoons, will never forget the first time i accidentally stumbled upon aeon flux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVZXElRgYwk
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> <phf> it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it. << Been a decade and months since my mistake. Recognized when I wanted to see them again.
pete_dushenski: the show looks like a stoner's brainchild
pete_dushenski: they're no sour patch kids
wilbns: mircea_popescu: haha, yes, exactly, that was my favorite candy as a kid which is why i liked the cartoon
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they were a cartoon
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's a great show, starting maybe about 5-6-7 or so but be prepared to support the kid by not being a hypocrite cop-out sorta parent. which always sounds a lot easier than it turns out to be
mircea_popescu: it's a pity they took southpark the route of this hot topic "let's stand in front random news event of the week"
pete_dushenski: 'the real ghostbusters' (cartoon) was developed by columbia pictures and 'dic entertainment'. i'm not sure that it was any good, more that the siren sound of the car as played in the theme song was really rather memorable
mircea_popescu: plus exactly the right brand of anarchic anti-authoritarian, sexually innuendo-ian and so forth
mircea_popescu: if you ever want to introduce a kid to surrealism, c&c is the way to go.
pete_dushenski: i definitely enjoyed animaniacs and pinky and the brain, never watched much cow&chick
mircea_popescu never followed either
mircea_popescu: this "giving" bs is like lifting kids up to the basketball hoop. pointless and boring.
pete_dushenski: not that i have any real love lost for ghostbusters movies, but the cartoons...
mircea_popescu: <phf> it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it.
mircea_popescu: and similarly moore's mostly an opportunist. nevertheless, they represent the neverending hope of the countless christine wiigs out there, between fargo and paris (wi) that they to one day could be famous!
mircea_popescu: <phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?
BingoBoingo: WWIII was a necessary involvement for the Yankees. One that strengthened the South immeasurably.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against. << who, the soviets ?
mircea_popescu: <mats> i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today << win.
phf: it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again
BingoBoingo: I gave my copy to some girl I fancied at the time which was not the girl I fancied at the time who would have appreciated it.
phf: is that the Campaign Trail '72 one?