asciilifeform: 'The laziness I witnessed just from her was shocking. One of the homes we rented was so disgustingly filthy when we arrived. My immediate response was to get to it and clean. The appliances were brown and greasy and under them was even worse. I began to move furniture and wash the floors, clean washrooms etc. and scrubbing film off the floors and tiles while she was spread out on the couch watching movies. I was furious about
asciilifeform: http://www.krivosheev.ru/1-HTML/Svejkovina/Nohavica/Sekne-context.html << i nominate for prize, 'worst translation on the planet'
hanbot: <asciilifeform> can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own << likely will try it out, yeah.
asciilifeform: incitatus, old piece of shit, was not the subject of this story.
asciilifeform: (in the unlikely event anyone missed it!)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: (in the case of rel1, literally; in the case of rel2-pre - all that have been proposed for that release)
asciilifeform: can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own
hanbot: asciilifeform bad hygiene on my part. by the time i'd gotten the release to build my tabs "saved for later when patching" were a mess, and i didn't re-check.
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1heNvhq )
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-26253 << lol at some dude. is this a new alt of an old scammer or wut.
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 01:39:37; mircea_popescu: ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 00:54:40; hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).
asciilifeform: hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239446 << any particular reason for the omissions, or mistake ?
mircea_popescu: ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.
punkman: "I’ve asked to her to not leave candy wrappers on the bed or food on the counter as I find hundreds of ants when she does but she does anyway."
mircea_popescu: dude's a naive twerp. you put them to work.
mircea_popescu: "#10. I date a girl for 6 months. We get on fine. She texts me and asks for nearly 70000pesos for house deposit for her and her gay friend who are both house hunting. She says she and friend will pay it back to me the very next day. I decline. She tells me Im dumped."
mircea_popescu: i tell you, the expectation that people will do what you tell them is widely misplace.
hanbot: i had tabs of "patches to apply" open for two weeks in a mess of others, it got nice and fucked up meanwhile and i hadn't reverified before patching, hurrdurr. yest rebuilt with correct sequence (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209307), looks good, notes tonight.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 19:12:55; hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)
hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).
BingoBoingo: I can tell you the worst in all of this they dont consider me at all or what I want even though Im paying, thats the worst of it
BingoBoingo: "They cant look after themselves. These are extremely lazy freeloaders that have no concept of things or any initiative. They say its their culture but its simply a freeloading lazy exploitative narcissistic mentality, a kind prostitution and uncivilized behavior. "
BingoBoingo: "There were 2 puppies that often came to our home to sleep in the shade. I thought they were wild dogs. I gave them milk or water. Well about 1 week later one puppy was dead in front of our gate. We found out the dogs belonged to our next door neighbor. There were many kids laughing around the dead body so we asked the neighbor to remove the dog for us. She said in a while we are preparing dinner. Then a few days later we noticed
BingoBoingo: Re: Bob Beck and the MicroShaft revolving door: http://philippinefailblog.com/little-miss-take-dating-in-manila/
BingoBoingo: I thought we were going to skip the rope and hang them by the anal spincter until they bleed out or starve. I'll have to redo my forest evaluations and my Forrest evaluations.
BingoBoingo remembers owning a perhaps poor translation of the communist manifesto that suggested ho trains as a replacement for marriage.
mircea_popescu: but i do appreciate the significant increase in discoursive vitriol.
mircea_popescu: they would like all men to be rapists and all interaction rape, at least "to some degree"
mircea_popescu: anyway, at issue in the "cultural revolution" camp is getting rid of the inconvenient theory that rape is rare and rapists few
mircea_popescu: "acclaimed expert on the subject of campus sexual assault"
mircea_popescu: all they do is talk about what they did. that supposedly isn't talking about what they did, so necessarily they gotta be misrepresentin'.
mircea_popescu: as if there exists anyone in the verbiage side of the us who doesn't, as a principal actiuvity, misrepresent their work.
asciilifeform: if it is permissible to say ~it is never displayable~, then you have an ordinary bin format, e.g., 'gzip'
mircea_popescu: so then why are we having this discussion.
asciilifeform: of one kind or other.
asciilifeform: and, as perpetuum mobile, all attempts at doing the fundamentally impossible are bound to end in tears
asciilifeform: he was on the sgml brigade.
asciilifeform: which he regarded (having had the misfortune to play a part in creating!) as a similar kind of retardation
asciilifeform: briefly back to that thread: the only way to have a channel where any possible bits are correctly drawable on a terminal, is to put the control codes (which move the cursor, or flip colours, or ring fucking bells, or release guillotine blade, or whatnot) on ~another~ channel.
mircea_popescu: supposedly some of the original crew at least for part of it
mircea_popescu: they got python to work with it in six weeks over pizza, and they still don't have python that works with special chars
asciilifeform: the question of 'which road to take to ultimately get fewer moving parts' is the mega-question in all engineering
asciilifeform: there sure is
mircea_popescu: im starting to think there's really a lot more than meets my eye.
mircea_popescu: and utf-8, or whatever other unfixed width translation scheme, is the right approach ?
asciilifeform: ascii is retarded. complain to the central committee, or who was it.
asciilifeform: whereas the alternative is only even contemplated because pgp is retarded.
asciilifeform: the present scheme has intrinsically fewer moving parts.
mircea_popescu: then speak to it.
mircea_popescu: so you're not really defending a principle, you're just saying "we already have all the complexity for X idiocy, and not for Y idiocy, thus X i won't notice and Y i'll reject"
asciilifeform: now have to put in a whole paragraph of sed, tr, and other potentially drepperized utils
asciilifeform: this is the objection
asciilifeform: because if we deal with the insides of any text, ever, we suddenly get line-endings and escapes and crapola
mircea_popescu: im not really interested in the practical example, but in the theoretical objection.
asciilifeform: IT CANNOT BE THE SAME FORMAT FOR bins and text
asciilifeform: ok back to the example
mircea_popescu: "explosion of complexity", ie, the need for manuals.
mircea_popescu: there is necessarily no difference, at the conceptual level we're discussing, between "don't put hash in file" and "ascii doesn't exist"
mircea_popescu: the fact that your cat /dev/random breaks things is PROOF that you are already using something like "hash" in your file.
mircea_popescu: so then how do you resolve this ?
kakobrekla: happens when i tail the wrong thing.
asciilifeform: or some other source of binaryrubbish
asciilifeform: some codes were reserved for line feed, dinging the bell (yes), etc.
asciilifeform: 2) have to represent the header differently if payload is meant to be displayable ascii, than if it is a binary
asciilifeform: if i want to embed hashes next to their payload, i get an explosion of complexity. because,
mircea_popescu: but these are numbers.
mircea_popescu: because what is the difference between "this file is noted in ascii" and "this file includes a hash"
asciilifeform: can have what you want in the file
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform back to the earlier issue. how do you reconcile your concept of "a file" with your concept of notation ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, sure, "buterin and hearn invented bitcoin in 2017" is just about the same deal.
mircea_popescu: but i am curious to see if this new trend will in some sort of timeframe bring us the black man invented cellphone of 2020
mircea_popescu: the two women named, miller and the other one, are unrelated to any academic field and especially unimportant for child rearing or child psychology.
mircea_popescu: b) it readily describes all sorts of known-broken apprtoaches and techniques. such as the use of blackmail. it pointedly has nothing to do with either beating or set time breastfeeding
BingoBoingo: Lafond guy seems to have some good stuff, a lot of bad stuff, and some interesting fiction. Just that accounting for getting hit in the head part takes work.
mircea_popescu: a) the term is older than freud
BingoBoingo: I've always confused him with diametric. In this case I think I confused with you because you talked about having been to the burning places in Baltimore now that I think about it.
cazalla: asciilifeform, what am i looking for in netstat? also, i still had 8333 port forwarding in router going on for 0.8.3, might that be the problem?
BingoBoingo: I can't remember the details of that drama, but damned if I don't confuse him for everyone else
asciilifeform: the z80 article has spiffy photos
BingoBoingo: Twas the ghost
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair I read him now because you introduced him to this chan, and seriously who respects the fantasy worlds of a Briton?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'their elven palaces in Rivendale' << fucking illiterate
asciilifeform: and is the only instance
asciilifeform: view process list, is it running with the args you thought you ran with ?
asciilifeform: what is in the snipped part ?
cazalla: asciilifeform, at the bottom
asciilifeform: cazalla: i don't see any connections from other ip ?
cazalla: asciilifeform, are these AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed errors a problem? also is it normal behaviour to gain so many new connections from other ips? i thought i'd only be syncing from dulap http://dpaste.com/3KHQH2A.txt
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 22:11:23; shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/ <<< memories!
wyrdmantis: shinoai lolz, i was about to post the same image
trinque: the gentoo key you want is 13EB BDBE DE7A 1277 5DFD B1BA BB57 2E0E 2D18 2910
shinohai: i searched the logs for HOURS
trinque: how the fuck am I supposed to be able to say that "this one is known to work"
trinque: oh also run as root; it needs to for example loop-mount the image
trinque: it also assumes you have the gentoo releases gpg pubkey
trinque: and the thing's written such that you can go edit the config files easily from within, should you want to
shinohai: So I can watch it like Sesame St. until I get the hang of it
trinque: and change two vars at the top
trinque: just have to hack some things out of the lilo config
shinohai: I remember you posting it but I lost the paste ... for qemu if memory serves
shinohai: trinque: werent you the gentleman that had a gentoo build script?
BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: No hurry. I'm probably not going to be to interested if anything comes up anyways and introductions are important. They should have known me first.
shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/ <<< memories!
BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: If you know any Wops with a plan that isn't tarded I'd cross the river for that just to get out of Illinois though recent opportunities to take money Illinois would offer other people seem interesting if they pan out.
mod6: Anyone who wants to please be a second pair of eyes here: run the script and then compare the scripts version to ascii's version:
mod6: So I've basically been able to reproduce both of your rel1.patch & rel2-pre.patch -- and I went through your patch with my script's created patch side by side by hand and verified the sha512s
mod6: asciilifeform: ok here it is: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh
mircea_popescu: i just don't see any cause to suspect this is what they;'re talking about
asciilifeform: but they devour everything
asciilifeform: then - marketards got to it, aha.
mircea_popescu: and as the chief procurer pointed out "if you break the guidance at any point, we're still gonna call it stealth"
asciilifeform: in that aficionados will point to a list of fairly specific, supposedly-'we're almost there' problems, that in point of fact no one knows how to solve ~~in ensemble~~
mircea_popescu: turns out the stealth airplane is not stealth in any sense.
mircea_popescu: how do you know they are ?
asciilifeform: they are speaking of a particular machine, which no one (as publicly known has built), but, e.g., 'd-wave' fraudulently sold to a few rich schmucks, and the difficulties of construction are not mysterious
mircea_popescu: then again i also didn't know telegram is some sort of chatroom, so.
wyrdmantis: BingoBoingo: yes, i know, but the italian community that uses Telegram chatrooms is on fire tonight
mircea_popescu: there is no basis that i can perceive on which one could propose that the term "quantum" as used by usg in any context has any meaning.
BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: Majority of social media noise not italian, check their grammar
asciilifeform: kinda curious which hardness puzzle they'll bless for 'q-resistant'
mircea_popescu: ridiculous. anyway, let teh usg keep on with the curves, wut.
asciilifeform: hard to say, reads like the output of five separate monkeys who did not have any kind of complete picture each, other than a checklist of 'agenda items' to address
asciilifeform: s they have a long history of security evaluation and time tested implementation that newer proposals do not yet have.'
asciilifeform: 'It is important to note that we arent asking vendors to stop implementing the Suite B algorithms and we arent asking our national security customers to stop using these algorithms. Rather, we want to give more flexibility to vendors and our customers in the present as we prepare for a quantum safe future. Where elliptic curve protocols are to be used, we prefer Suite B standards be used to the fullest extent possible a
mircea_popescu: i read relatively little of their straight output
mircea_popescu: is this now polite terminology inside the perimeter ?
mircea_popescu: wait, "across the usg" ?
asciilifeform: (can't recall this shit being in there earlier this year)
asciilifeform: te B algorithms, we recommend not making a significant expenditure to do so at this point but instead to prepare for the upcoming quantum resistant algorithm transition.'
asciilifeform: tandards bodies to ensure there is a clear plan for getting a new suite of algorithms that are developed in an open and transparent manner that will form the foundation of our next Suite of cryptographic algorithms. Until this new suite is developed and products are available implementing the quantum resistant suite, we will rely on current algorithms. For those partners and vendors that have not yet made the transition to Sui
asciilifeform: 'IAD recognizes that there will be a move, in the not distant future, to a quantum resistant algorithm suite. Based on experience in deploying Suite B, we have determined to start planning and communicating early about the upcoming transition to quantum resistant algorithms. Our ultimate goal is to provide cost effective security against a potential quantum computer. We are working with partners across the USG, vendors, and s
mircea_popescu: anwyay, back to the issue. buck will maintain a perimeter of forest edge and brush. with his life.
asciilifeform: the ozone.
mircea_popescu: so, no. the soviets will be obsessed with units of account.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason argentines are worried about "insecuridad" and mexicans abotu the fucking rain. they published a study here recently - the most worried about global warming is... south fucking america. they're still in the 1850s re sun here, even have their ozone.
mircea_popescu: the biological approach is, "all i need are three meals a day. half a meal a day is less than what i need, five meals a day is more. i prefer the latter"
asciilifeform: at any rate, the fixation with units of account is odd, if speaking of sovietized folk. i'd imagine they would realize that what they really want is 'sleep ad libitum', or even 'mercedes 600', rather than 'bag of benjies' per se
mircea_popescu: it's not hard to explain tho. there's a political and a biological approach to life. the political approach is the thought of the alpha, the thing that results in half decade of trench warfare and a ruined europe : "either you sit lower than me or we fight."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to fully grasp how this particular arithmetic handicap works. what is the mental process like, whereby schmuck doesn't wake up to the fact that 'get 90 while everyone gets 100' is equivalent to 'lose 1, keep 9, when everyone keeps 10' ?
mircea_popescu: there's no way to get rich while you sleep that doens't include everyone else getting richer.
mircea_popescu: in any case it makes the desires of post-capitalism, the welfare state and the consumerist society, impossible.
mircea_popescu: whether rational or not.
asciilifeform: 'your average Romanian fellow would readily prefer to earn 11 units, when everyone else earns 10, instead of an alternative where he earns 90, when everyone else earns 100, indifferent to the fact that 90 is still, significantly above 11. This, in the language, is called "the neighbour's goat problem".' << but this is rational !
scoopbot_revived: The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/
mircea_popescu: "teh shield of teh usg was strong in the 50s car industree"
mircea_popescu: do you know how many us car makers were all over japan in the 50s ?
mircea_popescu: like, say, at the time they were butchering around the don. how many hungarian dudes came over to ask questions ? dja know ?
mircea_popescu: before wearing the hungarians as cock decorations ?
mircea_popescu: do you know how many inquiries the mongols got from hungarians ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still i find it interesting how impenetrable the usg 'never happened because we say so' shield is
asciilifeform: so far the only thing i can turn up as 'satoshi's pubkey' is his coin addrs' privkeys
mircea_popescu: in that case, in the positive, me.
asciilifeform: for all we know, original key is shared by the 1,001 nsa contractors who wrote the turd
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key. << not acceptable, been shared.
assbot: The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxugJO )
BingoBoingo too busy loading up the gallblader
asciilifeform: somebody cook up a key with that fp as seen in idiot winblows pgp, and sign, for the lulz
asciilifeform: esp re: the 32-bit fp
asciilifeform: or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key.
BingoBoingo: He signed enough that his signature could attest he wrote it or was rectotherm'd
BingoBoingo: bitstein: Well can't use the @gmx.whatever email anymore because haxxed. Curiously not signed
asciilifeform: on other hand - no signature.
bitstein: Didn't see this in the logs. Someone claiming to be Satoshi posted on the bitcoin-dev list: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html
bitstein: Yea, mostly lurkin these days.
mod6: asciilifeform: I have successfully reproduced the rel1.patch on my own now with the same matching antecedent/new hashes. I have script that reproduces this all the way up through v0.5.3.1 -- will continue on and do the same for up through v0.5.4 before let everyone see. But, so far, so good.
BingoBoingo: After research Phils does not seem like a destination to linger long when exit comes, if it even still makes the list by the time I get out.
mircea_popescu: more of the "lowest common denominator is representatives for groups" ideology crashing on the jagged shores of reality.
assbot: I Would Rather Go Hungry Than Eat Filipino Street Food Again! - eTramping.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITJZzC )
mircea_popescu: shorting instrument my foot. it can't be shorted for the same reason you can't short random idiot's imaginary girlfriend.
BingoBoingo suggest shorting instrument be refered to a TexasCoin or TXCoin for the phillipino's lulz and dyslexia
mircea_popescu: it will be absolutely great if they scam any exchange into accepting their shit as bitcoin, or otherwise if any retards pay money for xtc.
asciilifeform can't wait for the first tard block
mircea_popescu: not so much can be said about the anglos.
mircea_popescu: they do learn.
mircea_popescu: even if they have to be beaten with a nailed plank first
mircea_popescu: the chinese do learn.
mircea_popescu: or any other place where the bar to entry is not as high as to exclude the urban poor.
asciilifeform: as suggested by the july 4 incident
mircea_popescu: count the eth mining power.
asciilifeform: hey, no shortage of the latter
assbot: Mike Hearn is saying Fork might ignore the longest chain! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiUp0Y )
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r03i/mike_hearn_is_saying_fork_might_ignore_the << linked, lulzy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Idea of it was, then he released some binaries earlier this week for turd platforms. Now declaration of forking.
BingoBoingo actually kinda surprised Hearn didn't wait until the first weekend of September to drop his trousers for a fencing contest. Shitgnommery was starting to get a pattern.
asciilifeform has a separate display panel for the nodez, if anyone wondered, yes
mircea_popescu: the daydreaming children of insufficient parents.
mircea_popescu: it's just buying into this "being civilised means inhabiting the world of dreams"
mircea_popescu: being a vegetable is unrelated to any other measurable quality.
mircea_popescu: they're all vegetal. the smart and the dumb, the tall and the short, the ones with tits and the ones without
mircea_popescu: the vegetable quality is a thing apart.
asciilifeform: mr orr doesn't look like the usual vegetable to me
asciilifeform: somehow i suspect that most of these people would give more of a fuck if the city phonebook (which no one i'm aware of uses for anything but kindling...) were to list a nigerian spammer's phone # instead of their own
asciilifeform: at some point one of them will read this log and write in
asciilifeform: unlike mircea_popescu, i do not presently believe that ~all~ of these folks have been shot with the stupid-cannon
asciilifeform: ^ exactly typical for the 'magic 98'
asciilifeform: his other modulus will pop up soon, also
asciilifeform: (the latter pretty much never gets more than a dozen connections at one time)
asciilifeform: then no.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 18:01:27; *: mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.
BingoBoingo though MP may have been doing math related to producing a lucite cast of Obola's recutm to place in the Hearnia's urinary bladder
asciilifeform: my link has the w4r3z iirc
asciilifeform: jurov: the de one appears to be different item ?
asciilifeform: witch, vaguely babayaga-like, walks around collecting clues re: where to find ingredients for revenge potion against the king (who banished her). most of the dialogue is in rhyme
asciilifeform: speaking of czech language, has jurov ever played the most famous msdos adventure game of his country, 'edna' ?
mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.
mircea_popescu: fear the power of the cult. the deepest errors can survive all of five minutes in the charged atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: which also happens to be the right thing, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: whereas i for a very long time have held the firm "fuck you, the text i write, i write with no consideration as to what you might misunderstand of it"
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#comment-115043 << see, now i can't see this in any other terms than, "ended up caring about insides"
asciilifeform: this one's a '3-pipe case', in the words of sherlock holms
mircea_popescu: but it is apparent, from the apoplectic reactions, and glaring when you look at the shards together, that the same jerking around is both behind the openbsd story and the pgp story.
asciilifeform: jurov: now i have to solve the problem. like i solved others before. but this one's gonna take some time, it isn't a nice clean shot in the head, but more of a slow isis beheading
asciilifeform: now you have to CARE ABOUT THE INSIDES
asciilifeform: the pgp signature thing is fucktarded, can't believe for how long we've put up with it