mircea_popescu: in fact they're just doing what they've always done : agreeing over their stale beer + pizza that the boss is dumb and the company doubleplusungood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "thinking they are fighting to [...]"/
assbot: Wouldn't it be great if the Bitcoin Community around the world were the source of "consensus" ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgnRTb )
asciilifeform: ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hcitl/wouldnt_it_be_great_if_the_bitcoin_community )
asciilifeform: the Beoble have sp0k3n!
asciilifeform: 'Instead we have programmers with literally zero financial education or training, fighting over which handful of them is going to decide the fate of the next worldwide financial system.'
trinque: dunno, depends on what the federation's like, I guess
trinque: mircea_popescu: could be, and if it survives the fight with them, maybe that experience helps it on the path to being an actual country
asciilifeform: viktor pelevin got there phirst.
mircea_popescu: tho it'll prolly be part of the mexican cartel federation.
trinque: BingoBoingo: haha, perhaps I still suffer under the delusion that Texas has a future
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ? << how the everloving fuck else !
mircea_popescu very much liked december texas weather
BingoBoingo: Nah there were non stupids earlier. I read this Trilema thing a few times.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ya, they're not ear-bitingly stupid, which is a non-qntra first
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october << This is what the pros do
BingoBoingo: Wouldn't surprise me in the least Virtual Mining News people could become qntra contributors before the Torpeys and other CoinTelophone people do.
pete_dushenski: and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october
mircea_popescu: incidentally, today's discussion of the 1% ratchet should, if nothing else, serve as a burning icon of how exactly consensus is sought.
pete_dushenski: "Ultimately, Szabo, Dushenski, Mircea Popescu and Garzik agree that tampering with the block size will only make the blockchain heavy and insecure. “The biggest challenge ahead isn’t “bringing Bitcoin to the people” or some such nonsense, it’s in maintaining a sufficient number of nodes to relay and verify transactions. This is challenging issue that has yet to be fully addressed,” explained Dushenski."
pete_dushenski: explained by Pete Dushenski, an author at Qntra and Contravex, the Bitcoin blockchain is like a city and the height of its walls is the network’s hashrate."
pete_dushenski: "Cryptographer and digital currency researcher Nick Szabo, who many believe to be the real identity behind Satoshi Nakamoto, has stated that a rapid block size increase is “a huge security risk” and “a reckless act to be performing on a $4 billion system.” Szabo made the remarks as part of the ongoing debate over the Bitcoin block size, which continues to draw in major players from across the community. As
trinque: I'm going to live among the lovers of capitalism for a while again, and I'll see whether the weather here was actually worth it
trinque: incidentally I'm moving the fuck back to texas in a couple weeks :D
mircea_popescu: The Progre stalks with hands on hips while drivel gushes from his lips."
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-progre/ << ahh this has been so nicely consecrated in the anal tears of gavin & co.
pete_dushenski: there's no virtue without risk
mircea_popescu: and yes, senna was maybe the best driver f1 ever had. top 10 for sure. it is bad that he died, it is WORSE that schumacher couldn't have died if he wanted to.
mircea_popescu: should be a biannual casualty. the russians did more to make f1 respectable than any english speaker since 1994.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/KevTs/status/626468523930468352 << british vs. russian engineering today. at least in f1. needless to say, the british team is out of business and the russian team, which killed driver jules bianchi in 2014, the first driver to die in the sport since ayrton senna in '94, continues under the 'manor marrusia' brand.
mircea_popescu: that the stupidity discounted as broken a century ago is still the state of the art for these people should concern them.
mircea_popescu: oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ?
mircea_popescu: really, "owned by all" ? so what, i go in there and edit stuff now ?
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:25; punkman: "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these a
BingoBoingo: Not to mention the coinfire people who started a "premium" subscription deal and stopped posting
mircea_popescu: who, very far from being unrepentant shitsacks, are really nice and good and everything. just, whenevere they leav to make a new one, SOMEONE keeps bringing some sacked shit and throwing it everywhere.
mircea_popescu: but something else. dark and nefarious, outside of "the people"./
mircea_popescu: the solution to "We're stupid" is to make .... A NEW COUNTRY!!!!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra << Depends on the subject they try to tackle, but questions abound.
mircea_popescu: going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra
mircea_popescu: o hey, check out all the things that matter according to people who don't.
mircea_popescu: that'd be 8 dozens, then ?
BingoBoingo: CIA ate their soul
mircea_popescu remembers the early dasys past dot-com bubble, when people were like, genuinelky trying to get linux to work.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Shhhh.... don't spoil it
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes knocked up his wife and he still maintains thefoundation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it's not theirs, they prolly lifted it from one of the military texts of the 40s, and if you're a company selling colorizer glasses why the fuck would you want people NOT to "steal" your dumb diagnosios shit
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller not that i know of
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell thestringpuller replied :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 00:54:18; pete_dushenski: since scoopbot_revived seems to have been asleep at the wheel earlier today : http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/of-trumpets-and-trombones/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/the-user-and-the-rotor/
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238306 << just these i think. few days back.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif << the best part is the sexually aroused duck lordosis-ing before the animal
mircea_popescu: " We thank everybody for sharing their perception as together we will make new findings."
ascii_field: i can picture the conversation
mircea_popescu: well the enchroma website test does not work, becausew being "made in the usa" they gotta be all fucktarded and wrap it all in js and whatnot
assbot: I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect - Phoronix Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1flyxnX )
BingoBoingo: Because http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/817852-i-no-longer-have-any-trust-in-the-nest-protect?p=817871#post817871
kakobrekla: by the way to add to previous 1% increasement debate; http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed-2015-07-04-05-13-26.txt , http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed-2015-07-04-05-16-41.txt
assbot: Mike owns a little more than 100 BTC. What incentive do the other Bitcoin Core developers have to improve the system? : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoN4Nl )
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Or the reverse
BingoBoingo doesn't have the greatest hearing. Pretty sure tuba is too blame.
ascii_field: these 'muscles' are good for very little, sadly.
ascii_field: but i do suffer from sensory strange - e.g., can see flicker at 120hz display, dithering, etc
BingoBoingo would not be surprised if alf was the incredibly rate tetrochromat
ascii_field took the test, is pretty sure he hallucinated digits where there were none, but the only output was 'normal'
BingoBoingo: jurov: You are missing out. Great "Southern" dish. Pull up the peanut plant before the nuts brown and they cook delicious. Just don't keep well green so it a sort of necessarily local delicacy to places that can grow peanuts.
mircea_popescu: ever since kindergarten ppl thought i'm jus fucking with them
mircea_popescu: i am colorblind, but it's not exactly the common version.
BingoBoingo: jurov: If fried they better be green. If roasted, brown.
ascii_field: idk about this 'enchroma', but i got the opposite: my 'eizo' lcd panels have a button that selectably simulates two types of colour blindness...
jurov: just a check: what colors are peanuts? a) brown b) green c) other color
jurov: riiight, i dream of KYC-enablement all the time
mike_c: kakobrekla: j/k :) the pastels are beautiful.
punkman: trinque should make deedbot accept signed colours which assbot will use to colour the logs!
mircea_popescu: the sort that sat and fermented for a while ?
mike_c: i hatez all the colors
trinque: kakobrekla: thank you sir; I'll change the URL generation on my end to match the previous links
mike_c: yes, he is misguided. I didn't mean to criticize the room, just try to offer him an additional viewpoint.
mike_c: yeah, I just wanted to add the additional advice of - just because you *can* find an investor doesn't mean you should.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is this in the line of "whether you can find a woman or not shoul;d nopt be the determining factor in whether you start a family" ?
mircea_popescu: which, i wager, is 90% of the useful reaction you've received on it anyway
mike_c: do you have any reasonable plan for beating the umpteen existing exchanges? or any idea of what their problems are?
mike_c: williamdunne: whether or not you can find an investor shouldn't be the determining factor of whether or not you start the business.
mircea_popescu: wilbns the plantform choiuce is not a crime, i just am a very hateful soul.
jurov: kakobrekla: consider using few other bits to color a text slightly, too
wilbns: wow i'm really having a problem typing. i think the word and type something else.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You said as much when discussing BitBet colors and the gray side and the blue side
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually 6 btes from the nick hash -> color seems ideal to me.
mircea_popescu: and the problem with the children doing things they don't understand goes way deeper. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ proplly also interesting.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Gotta remember MP only sees about a third of all colors, but the colors he sees are pink
kakobrekla: right now it picks colors randomly each time, had also a variant of making color from hash of the nick. if that is preferred.
wilbns: re: medium, the reason i use that space is because hopefully something i write will be of some use to somehow who can do something positive with it later - if i just stick it on my blog it then i doubt anyone will ever seen it, barring a contextual keyword phrase match
mircea_popescu concludes that medium articles with b-a present authors, while not necessarily better, at least provide one the perhaps void feeling of having done something for the future.
mircea_popescu: it is the exact example case you wish for your argument, and it's a pity to not reference it (especially because it connotes not-done-homework for they in the actual know as to the topics you discuss re law and precedent etc)
wilbns: cool, i will - and check out the gpg contracts article
BingoBoingo: If ethereum ever entirely works as promised plan on x86 ring-0 exploits routinely becoming parts of "contracts"
mircea_popescu: you ever read the gpg contracts article on trilema ?
mircea_popescu: precedence is when one thing goes above another. precedent is when one thing goes before another. do not mix.
mircea_popescu: "The first dimension of this complexity is that the area of law, in itself, is generally based on legal precedence" << no. it is based on precedent.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing is exactly what the scammers involved want.
mircea_popescu: wilbns so outright i see the following problem : you discuss ethereum at the maximal outskirts of what its proponents presnet it as. this is not unlike taking a ponzi schemer's "idea" and pretending it would be a central bank, then discussing how "it regulates financial flows". rank nonsense.
wilbns: thinking about how 15 million in crowdfunding could get irradiated if not careful in determing market fit w/ ethereum
trinque: they're going to get plenty of reuse out of that headline
wilbns: mircea_popescu: it's regarding the idea of a hypothesis, theorem, manifesting it self later on down in the line the form of something else, not necessarily positive
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They don't need to other heroin addicts do that for them, until it is the next batches "turn"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they don't drag their lifeless, smelly corpses to a hole and pour anhudrous calcium carbonate on themselves. do they.
mircea_popescu: wilbns on what is this einstein reference based, other than "it'd be cool" ?
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:12; nubbins`: it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240652 << yueah they're going for that entire "we're the new doge - a currency for redditards" thing. which... is fine.
wilbns: ...in the event anyone would like to read.
assbot: Ethereum, Nuclear Research and Avoiding Decentralized Cancer — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrOu8 )
wilbns: Ethereum, Nuclear Research and Avoiding Decentralized Cancer: https://medium.com/@wilbns/ethereum-nuclear-research-and-avoiding-decentralized-cancer-abf8b69f1c9d
mircea_popescu: given that the alternative is "raise an army", and given that "iof you raise an army, might as well sell the captured women into slavery and cultivate poppies", people who don't particularly like the sight of moaning, chained women and heroin addicts have little choice.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:37:20; danielpbarron: the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle"
ascii_field: thestringpuller: try building on a computer ..?
mircea_popescu: it never found any utility, whcih is why you've not heard of either except in the way one hears of the once great hittite empire
trinque: hey, btw. if someone cnames deeds.bitcoin-assets.com to deedbot.org I'll make that link in the declaration work again.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240639 << yeah. a fascinatiuon with this is why every single file on any of the scene participants in the original warez flourish were .rar
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I was thinking about the declaration when I saw that.
mircea_popescu: not to even talk of the revolutionary.
mircea_popescu: need to creative more, these creative types.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: what were you building ~on~ ?
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:24:30; shinohai: The XT constitution LOL >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240619 << they are both uninteresting and late. the actual thing is old, and at http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
ascii_field: thestringpuller: looks like an oomkill to me
BingoBoingo: In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz
ascii_field: there is this whole fiction called 'n-factor authentication' (various values of n, typically 2)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "natura" in there is "the immediately observable", not the subatomic. there's a reason cardano rng uses electrons not whores moaning.
mircea_popescu: life exists exactly because they aren't passwords.
mircea_popescu: the fact that life exists on earth is, to me, proof that "fuzzy passwords" are a crock.
ascii_field: (you will ~never~ get exactly same waveform into the microphone, etc)
ascii_field: which is to say, either it is so 'fuzzy' that bruteforce is trivial, or it is narrow enough to make it non-repeatable
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:40:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240528 << in that it's the same idea ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241062 << one of the things i know with great certainty, but cannot formally prove, is that 'fuzzy' passwords are a crock of shit
mircea_popescu: shinohai the writer's head does.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240586 << and just in case any criminals want to submit the same documents, they can have access too!
shinohai: Somewhere today I saw it written "There is no killer app for bitcoin yet" ... why does bitcoin need an app?
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 16:13:57; thestringpuller: maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240528 << in that it's the same idea ?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: gotta post whole log !
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
ascii_field: but the overall theme of thread from my pov was 'just because you can't quantify a cost worth shit, doesn't make it zero'
thestringpuller: make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thestringpuller/real_bitcoin/rotor/buildroot-2015.05/output/build/host-gcc-initial-4.9.2/build/gcc'
mircea_popescu: but once we get a sane allocator for pool, like discussed here, you can add the hash.
ascii_field: as the one previously checked in mempool
ascii_field: BUT you still gotta verify that it is the same!
shinohai: well, most people will just blindly execute scripts they download from teh interwebz
mircea_popescu: ianae, but i think the lemon could be squeezed by an actual expert.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for instance : blocks come from the mempool, mostly. when a new block is presented, the thing checks all sigs. but it had already checked most of them for mempool.
trinque: you're supposed to open the thing and say oh, I want to change the make.conf/lilo.conf/whatever
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:31:58; thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
trinque: sorry I ever linked the thing, christ
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah. not stellar sales iethe.r
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. << The do it on cable, call it Univision.
trinque: I apologize for interrupting, but just for posterity: the gentoo guide and my script were not so people could like, you know, be cool without having to learn anything. my script for example *IS MEANT TO BE READ AND EDITED*
mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
mircea_popescu: but sure, could be. just like there could be useful cpu that's passive cooled. sometime.
jurov: there's gigabyte antifuse prom?
mircea_popescu: i don't either. was not discussing the present day politics of it at all. merely, the principle of the matter.
ascii_field: thing is, i don't get the whole concept of having any sympathy whatsoever for 'needs moar room' when 100% of everyone making this argument is either usg shill or their useful idiots
mircea_popescu: if your train goes through "brain worm" alien land, you want the bomb.
mircea_popescu: if this were the case, trains without an emergency brake would be worth more than trains with.
nubbins`: a few people stand around a sack on the ground, figuring out what to do with it. one fatso says "i want to put so many things inside that only i can carry it around!"
ascii_field: ergo a blockchain without the button is inescapably worth more than one with
mircea_popescu: and the sum total of what i said is, of all the approaches considered i've seen, none includes a fucking cap over that button.
nubbins`: just as likely it'll push smallies out of the picture
ascii_field: my contention was that just having this creates a demolition button for the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: because of the network effects it can in point of fact be the case that each byte in the 1.3 thing is worth more than in the 1.0 thing.
mircea_popescu: but it is certainly possible, and byu some analyses likely, that your option is either a) you sell 1 mb at 1 per byte, or else b) you sell 1.3 mb at 1.1 per byte.
ascii_field might be thick, isn't certain how this theorem applies here
mircea_popescu: the sword of "socialistatron" cuts many ways.
ascii_field: aha, that is where the bug is
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 20, will sell 1, and make a profit of 20, and the remaindert will be worth 20k.
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 10, i will sell 10, and make a profit of 100, and the remainder 90 will be worth 9k.
mircea_popescu: you run into the following (purely saccounting, and thus purely psychogenic) problem :
punkman: bang some sluts along the way
mircea_popescu: you understand how science is done yes williamdunne ? you form a theory to test. you go test it. systematically. you either come to a conclusion which precludes further testing, FOR REASONS, or you keep on going.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators
mircea_popescu: mno, iot' a cost inflicted on the network, at a possible benefit to it
ascii_field: removing this is a COST and is inflicted on node operators for no benefit to them.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the other thing is, with 1MB btcfs, can ~rationally plan~ construction of buried node for the future
mircea_popescu: then write a blogpost to defray your mental costs with it.
mircea_popescu: you either go to ALL or you're not a man.
williamdunne: Probably more. It was at one of the incubators we got our last investor.. sour taste in my mouth
williamdunne: Initially they were all pretty hostile
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this, as a principle, is in no way argued against. it is exactly true. the proposal is that as restrained, it would not be harmful.
williamdunne: Ofc.. but none of them were looking to make friends afaik. There was one person from #b-a interested but that's from a different angle
relaxedman: nubbins`: like gnome or xfce. punkman yea I know. using the foundations guide and it stops before I can get anything installed.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne your main enemy is this crowd of people who agree and encourage to make friends. they can be very damaging.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get it. but i was trying to illustrate how allowing anyone to make the sphincter permanently dilate by spending a fixed cost gets you into 'amplification vulnerability'
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mostly the speculating crowd. Not people from #b-a or anything
mircea_popescu: btcdrak ya it was i nthe logs.
punkman: relaxedman: you know, there are linux channels/forums for such questions
mircea_popescu: williamdunne any of them senior regulators / senior officials / anything other than people you met at a conference that hadn't got there on a first class ticket they bought and with two personal cocksuckers and a chef ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if objective is 'make a river of meat' then sure. if trying to accomplish something more interesting? not so much
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Eh, while you might think that a fair number of the people I spoke to disagreed.
relaxedman: Still trying to get this gentoo install going(openbsd wouldn't support my gfx card no money to buy a new one) its n6, varia, but stuck on getting a window manager all the guides want me to change profiles. also not sure how wayland fits in any ideas?
mircea_popescu: more successful than the pyramids.
mircea_popescu: the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo.
ascii_field: mike_c: i very much see the ratcheting increase as an 'enemy-can-spend-fixing to cost-me-fixint-multipled-by-forever'
mircea_popescu: oh come the fuck on.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more. << interesting idea, but unless *we* want to see it grow I don't see point of writing it up yet.
punkman: williamdunne: well tell us what it is then
jurov: the rape can be KYC-unrelated
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:07:29; williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240864 << ~= >> 'there is an existing market that is missing a few areas, such as anal-rape-with-hedgehog, even within the section that is willing to undergo anal-rape-with-cactus'
mircea_popescu: you get some backup, they die out, end up with some money invested in you written off.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: We'd already spent a bunch of their money. It's left them with no equity so slightly stranger
mircea_popescu: trinque there's tons of people who coudl demo a trade engine. including a bunch of people actually in the business, providing all the fx doods etc.
trinque: but if he doesn't have the money to provide for the financial aspects, kinda leads to "why bother"
mircea_popescu: williamdunne don't be too hard on self. it's unlikley they'd have signed for actual deal.
trinque: mircea_popescu: figured he could write his trade engine thing and then demo that, but sure, it's probably the smallest part
williamdunne: punkman: Had funding, one of the other companies they invested in when tits up and so they decided to withdraw support from all financial services companies they invested in. 10/10. My fault for not securing a deal where that wouldn't happen
jurov: lol let him talk about the missing tits
jurov: punkman: that's actually the only way
mircea_popescu: women also miss tits on their shoulderblades. it impedes proper tango, but it might have good reasons behind it.
williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC