mircea_popescu: "MegaIndex - powerfull analytics tool which allows to get comprehensive report about web-site's incoming and outgoing links." <, in other news, i am persuaded 50% or more of webtrafic is meta.
trinque: heh, sounds a lot like the human fuel gauge in Waterworld
asciilifeform: could simply mean a 300 baud link over 'diode' and optical fiber, to next room, with 24/7 eyes watching the text
asciilifeform: (including, imho most often, not doing the thing at all)
asciilifeform: if there is any way to avoid it.
asciilifeform: re: 'in the wild.'
asciilifeform: mike_c: the basic concept here is the same as in hygiene elsewhere. i, personally, do not know of anyone who has become ill from, e.g., eating rotting carcass. but i refrain nonetheless.
mircea_popescu: yeah amusingly i had the same problem lol
mircea_popescu: nah, mpex is "potemkins all the way down". i read it on reddit.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: you probably own one of the most valuable pgp/email lists going..
mike_c: i mean, what's it going to do? root the box? I guess that's worst case.
asciilifeform: mike_c: depends what you mean 'the wild'
mike_c: malformed ciphertext is just theoretical, no? never seen in wild?
asciilifeform: i'll let mircea_popescu answer this one (if he feels like..) - iirc there is also a 'diode' in there somewhere
asciilifeform: not to mention that there is no effective way to do this across airgap
asciilifeform: and don't have sensitive key material in the mix.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: my current understanding is that there is not, on this planet, a 'gpg library that actually works' - period, full-stop.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: please try to avoid referring to common lisp as 'clisp' in the interest of not confusing n00bz - clisp is a thing, it is a (pretty poor) free implementation of common lisp
mircea_popescu: hopefully we get a pgp implementation that's usable sometime this side of the decade.
williamdunne: +1 on auto-upping some nicks. I wanted to re-write Scoop in a language that doesn't use JIT and other such crap, but many languages lack GPG libraries that actually work.
mircea_popescu can readily envisage the situation where, being dirigiblewrecked on same lab, would prefer the company of mr x over pretty much everyone in the dept.
asciilifeform: dr y. wasn't dumb. merely entirely uninteresting, preoccupied with details of daily life as a not-especially-well-of d.c. resident, e.g., where the 'cheapest' petrol is to be had
mircea_popescu: i prefer the company of intelligent folks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not in the 'morals' business. but personally prefer the company of folks who wash, at least on occasion.
mircea_popescu: because you're not tough enough to, so there it goes.
mircea_popescu: just like the puritan view of a wife.
mircea_popescu: "now you chose it, it's yours, you gotta upkeep it" goes the taxation verbiage. just like... wait for it...
mircea_popescu: also the cui prodest analysis comes out very heavily charged. apparently the only people who'd benefit from you think "you chose" "your" "profession" are the people selling professions, and choice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, "choose this profession" thing might be the distillate of the issue. on one hand, the evidence that suchg a thinbg as "choosing your profession" even exuists in nature is slight at best. take the longstanding observation that "a young researcher will end up in that field where he encounters the first success".
trinque: anywho, I am just trying to keep the gears turning. I'm not "pissed"
trinque: seems the right way to me. fits using another means of communication at some later date, too
trinque: kakobrekla: at the time I wrote deedbot- there was an agreement that the thing should voice itself when I asked you to autovoice it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D
gribble: TheNewDeal was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <TheNewDeal> !down TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: ;;seen TheNewDeal
lobbes: the rest, I thought was williamdunne
trinque: notably the bitching about how someone else wants to do it comes after I've put work into bringing mine back online
trinque: so they don't waste my time
trinque: I don't want to spend another morning farting around with something as inconsequential as an RSS plugin
trinque: so why don't you set rules for everyone to be autovoiced when authed with nickserv
mircea_popescu: it's really no huge deal either way,
kakobrekla: the right amount being less in this particular case :)
trinque: no, the right amount of code is better
lobbes: <kakobrekla> usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler << so, in other words, no need for assbot voicing?
mircea_popescu: trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a
kakobrekla: well, i dont mind who runs rss bot - but - usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler
lobbes: well, I can't really say 'no.' If you've got a working solution, there's no need to wait for my derpage
trinque: alright, well, this is the 3rd time I've had to get feeds going on mine
lobbes: for some reason, the OTP from assbot doesn't get sent to the messages.log like it used to pre-limnoria
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-08-2015#1249978 << On the contrary. I was able to get the updated fork installed on my server Saturday, which contains the re-written RSS plugin.
asciilifeform: nah why do that when you can hang a man upside down and cut off his skin until have they key.
BingoBoingo: Don't they have that wall thing to keep the Mongols lost and until they get found, but for internet
mircea_popescu: what, they dont have cable ?
mircea_popescu: adding to the amusement, the part that he wasn't aware that to the average romanian, the arab,gypsy difference seems slight. but i suspect you know in english russian, chinese, same deal.
mircea_popescu: well for sure us is very similar to ro, in the following amusing way : /me clearly recalls arab fellow living in romania explaining to me the problems with gypsies.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point is that china is different from ro, ar, usa, in several interesting ways which mircea_popescu appears to heavily discount the importance of. perhaps he has own reasons for this, but i couldn't possible know them..
mircea_popescu: that's what they did to th ewater engine too'!!11!11!
BingoBoingo: "However the discovery left medical regulators unimpressed. Using human medical waste to power vehicles (or indeed for any other commercial purpose) is largely illegal, and Dr Bittner's clinic has been raided by California Health Department officials."
assbot: Surgeon uses human fat to run his cars - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9IHyJ )
BingoBoingo: The biodiesel revolution has started http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/surgeon-uses-human-fat-to-run-his-cars-1211431.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whole orchestra of cn folks, many who did not even appear in the org chart but somehow had leverage, appeared out of nowhere, making a fuss
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps more on subject, the interesting and magic moment came when a middle-aged animal handler chick from cn was fired (over long-standing dispute over a paper's attribution) with the (.in) chief
assbot: Mining Difficulty Advances For The Fourth Consecutive Time | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kg2TFm )
deedbot-: [Qntra] Mining Difficulty Advances For The Fourth Consecutive Time - http://qntra.net/2015/08/mining-difficulty-advances-for-the-fourth-consecutive-time/
deedbot-: [Qntra] Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork - http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork/
mircea_popescu: he used to, but then we changed it's name
assbot: Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HhEz )
deedbot-: [Trilema] Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations - http://trilema.com/2015/oglaf-is-still-the-biggest-thing-happening-in-english-and-other-considerations/
assbot: I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HirT )
deedbot-: [Trilema] I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. - http://trilema.com/2015/i-killed-one-im-publishing-another-who-the-hell-knows-whats-going-on-anymore/
assbot: So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno what problem you see in there ?
trinque: k, turning on the feeds. each will barf top 5 when added.
asciilifeform: and so did the grandparents.
asciilifeform: perhaps completes the picture if i reveal that the man had wife, 2 y.o. son, back home. and they lived very well off his chickenfeed salary.
asciilifeform: and yes, this was one. there are moar
asciilifeform: me: 'your thesis reads just like a summary of dr. c's work'
asciilifeform: me: 'y., why do you read the 'times' all day?' y: 'i'm bored.'
asciilifeform: very well: dr y. y., biochemistry ph.d., age mid-30s (at the time); wasted perhaps $2mil of usg piggy, and everybody's time, for 5+ yrs.
asciilifeform: some of these are still (!) in ncbi db on www
asciilifeform: few years back, they shot (or perhaps made noises of threatening to?) a mega-crystallographer in uni of beijing. he faked structures for decades, and his subordinates too
asciilifeform: ask the chemistry ph.d. how he got the sheepskin. ask the next dozen, also. 'washed glass for advisor'
asciilifeform: other thing is that these fine folks have been perfecting organized fraud since before euro man climbed down from trees
asciilifeform: not related by blood or marriage ? then you're a barbarian, to be dealt with the way a teenager deals with a coke machine
asciilifeform: then, essentially, urbanized pashtuns, with tribal-familial wot hardcoded in firmware
asciilifeform: it isn't a 'couldn't do business,' but my current understanding is that the han chinese see white man sorta how the gypsies see european - as somebody to be scammed clean at the first opportunity.
gribble: China Average Yearly Wages - Trading Economics: <http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/wages>; Wages and employment | China Labour Bulletin: <http://www.clb.org.hk/en/content/wages-china>; The average Chinese private-sector worker earns about the same ...: <http://qz.com/170363/the-average-chinese-private-sector-worker-earns-about-the-same-as-a-cleaner-in-thailand/>
mircea_popescu: yes, that's not a concern. nevertheless, whether i buy or i don't buy is still a decision.
mircea_popescu: the rent in romania article i linked coupla weeks ago was discussing "affordability" in terms of, "to people makinmg 400 euro per month as an avg salary".
asciilifeform: at any rate, this is not the class of problem which is a problem to mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: for the working class kids - no.
asciilifeform: they had fresh milk in detroit 1920 ?
trinque: shenzen is not the south pole lol
asciilifeform: like shipping to the south pole.
asciilifeform: to - another matter. but prolly just a question of cost
mircea_popescu: trinque why would they :)
trinque: I know for a fact they ship *from*
mircea_popescu: i have a dhl-in-the-desert pic from egypt
asciilifeform: trinque: y'know what houston and magnolia have in common? 'fedex' ships there.
mircea_popescu: i needed regular supply flights in my own fucking country, just for having moved to the outskirts of my home province.,
asciilifeform: the poles are habitable.
mircea_popescu: so you propose to me that a 10 mn sqkm surface inhabited by ~2bn people is ENTIRELY uninhabitable, on account of the fact that... RICE grows there ?
asciilifeform: trinque: neither i nor the sources can speak for 'all' of anything. but cn is a rice kingdom, yes.
asciilifeform: at any rate, who am i to say that mircea_popescu would not fit in cn. perhaps he has always wanted to eat roast dog, pay 90% of his revenue as bakshish to local party 'райком', and endure the stench of the most packed mass of beoble known...
mircea_popescu: who's the lame thin fuck of china again ? or i lost an antecedent, wut
trinque: I'm highly skeptical that a country building all the everything anyone uses on earth is anything like Pyongyang.
asciilifeform: and the means to make it stick
mircea_popescu: pretty much anyone but the north american fucktardry.
asciilifeform: and think they can run naked in pekin ?
mircea_popescu: how are the girls going to run around naked in siberia ? get locals ?
asciilifeform: i mean, if i had to give up something like eating Proper Food, i'd rather live on tree bark in siberia. nice, quiet, prolly could get a photovoltaic set and satellite horn running there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this worldview is how the south got its reputation for cousinfucking.
asciilifeform: looks more like 'chances on pluto' to me, but hey, not my dirigible. what's the thing for if not exploring worlds.
mircea_popescu: how's my chances on redheads ? what's the oracle say ?
asciilifeform: y'know, the place which makes ru look civilized, friendly, inviting in comparison
asciilifeform lacks the necessary lsd to fully digest the notion of mircea_popescu moving to the world's statally-strongest, taking-no-shit-from-the-white-man mega-ethnostate
asciilifeform: '...For the women whose jobs are to lead men astray Circe, Delilah, Morgan Le Fey.'
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000155.html << congrats pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did someone mail you these and asked 'sister of mircea_popescu ?'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190095 << old mircea_popescu-and-the-chinese thread, for extra lulz
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fbc9c18bebd247778726d7cd01c038f5/tumblr_ntc5xtHggA1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: that exe is still out there, somewhere. who wants a fairly simple student project !
asciilifeform: did early pgp just throw entirely unprocessed, raw sewage to generate the modulus ?!!
mircea_popescu: "yes hubba ment condition all the way!"
asciilifeform: but i do not know the word.
mircea_popescu: they prolly have a secret word for it too, like fags in 1950 ny.
asciilifeform: the one thing which may have been the boojum, other than straight laundry, is a secret dog-whistle via the price that the unit is modded
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i presumed they were chip-able in a certain manner.
asciilifeform: understand, there weren't vintage/rarity/mod-chipped units
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in the toy store
BingoBoingo: "Donelsons Land of Lincoln steer sold for a record $61,000 to the highest bidder, Governor Bruce Rauner."
mircea_popescu: yeah, like everything else the us does.
asciilifeform: (it is not altogether a waste of time to comb the site for items getting sold (not merely listed) for orders of magnitudes above any reasonable estimate of their worth. educational.)
BingoBoingo: I see no other outcome. This isn't even artmarket altcoins which... Don't expire when the pig goes to slaughter.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but if you know what money laundering is, then no surprise
asciilifeform: 'The third part was triggering bans on proxies VPNs and tor exit nodes, making as many file requests as possible so that users will not be able to use them to safely access websites. It involved using or circumventing the .htaccess file I am not sure which. "The goal is to divert bandwidth strangle traffic and get them to block their own users."'
BingoBoingo: ^ Notice country grammar in the title
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla Apparently there is a bunny bubble nao http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article32102394.html
mircea_popescu: to the very common "but you gotta play", seen at work for instance by the people who think they HAVE to take a mortgage, or buy a diamond ring, or go to college, or so on.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, this is a very vast thing, it unites the mentioned "when hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest"
mircea_popescu: the alternative is "raising awareness"
mircea_popescu: my reading the magazine above is exactly in same degree and exactly the same kind, "recklessness".
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 19:46:44; asciilifeform: 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions
mircea_popescu: in this case, what thery did is not.
trinque: goes right to "nobody could've forseen" by way of "they did all they could" because they exhausted the rulebook
mircea_popescu: "because why not just improve the scriptbook instead"
mircea_popescu: also the notion that "anything's an option once all the scripts yield in predictable failure" is hard to maintain
trinque: my dad's a pilot; it's astounding how much scripted behavior they have to internalize
trinque: right, merely selecting one from the procedure book
mircea_popescu: but no... they "had to take off", because trained experts, and being trained means not thinking of all alternatives.
mircea_popescu: fuck it, so it runs out of runway, runs through the airport fence, runs out into the fucking street.
mircea_popescu: specifically, the correct move there would have been to cut all engines, engage all brakes (including the chute) and read a magazine.
mircea_popescu: trinque i am not an expert in airflight security, or a pilot or anything. nevertheless, it's my opinion that this is a fine example of what thinking in a box is and what it gets you.
mircea_popescu: previous flight lost an engine foil, concorde ran it over, it cut a wheel, wheel exploded, large fragment of tyre hit underwing, shockwave broke a fuel tanker, fuel gushed out and caught, engineer cut the engine next, at which point they had 2km worth of runway left and needed 3 to abort.
asciilifeform gets some exposure to the latter via ru
asciilifeform: i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers the cn mega-reddits
mircea_popescu: i lived a much better life of the spirit when i lived it among nude whores on sets, and plastic women making a point of being stupid
asciilifeform: it ends at the force field
mircea_popescu: you live in fucking reddit republic and pretend it ends at the door.
asciilifeform: and iirc mircea_popescu didn't either?
mircea_popescu: not the point AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: yes, the matchstick.
asciilifeform: aha the matchstick
asciilifeform: jp sounds like a better deal then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would much rather fuck a plastic cyborg created out of the desire of the short yellow people to fit in with white civilisation than an actual scion of the latter.
asciilifeform: and if this, then why not do it on island fortress or arctic circle, aha
mircea_popescu: heh dude wtshit already. nobody cares what "people in the community" etc. bitcoin is fucking money.
mircea_popescu: "They have made good public presentations that only serve to enhance Bitcoins image. Due to factors like these, various ppl within the community will take an interest in their POV."
mike_c: question I don't expect an answer to: how does mpex handle the gpg processing?
gribble: williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <williamdunne> mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators
trinque: I have a feeds module at the ready.
mircea_popescu: oh, is the scoop off ?
trinque: are we to the point where we give up on scoopbot yet?
mats: isn't that the outfit gavin worked for?
BingoBoingo: Why Shenzen and not the Democratic Congo of Ferguson?
mircea_popescu: in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not.
mircea_popescu: anyway - not my fault the concorde lapsed without replacement. imo THAT is the end point of white civilisation.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 15:42:43; mike_c: so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing?
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250167 << this is precisely the direction I'm going to go with deedbot, due to pain with python-gnupg; I've yet to try the one punkman suggested, so perhaps that one's better. I grow to believe this is the only way to do anything right on a *nix.
mircea_popescu: what, not like they don't let him in without conf invite lol
mike_c: only 17 hours in the air.
mircea_popescu: teen enjoys geeky show, decides to give herself tits. only thing uncommon is that she had the guts to take control. otherwise...
mircea_popescu: either that or skipping a year. i'm not doing another one in b-a. you've seen it all. literally.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 09:42:08; cazalla: punkman, from that post "Traditionally the wife controls family finance. Husband turns over paycheck and wife gives husband allowance." fuck that
mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony did the chick give you some ideas now ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250038 < uh what hint. the cpu has to do some math to ecdsa. that math happens talking to the cpu cache not disk or ram.
mircea_popescu: pdf is not the output of a --clearsign command.
thestringpuller: http://blog.blockchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Industry-Block-Size-letter-All-Signed.pdf << "Major Players" 4 of these have a DERP listing
mircea_popescu: that sort of large scale mismanagement is always the result of technical objects satisfying perceived imagological needs first and foremost. like the fortifications of the eternal city.
BingoBoingo: You know, this Chinese market mess is going to be hell on whatever's left of the US auto industry.
funkenstein_: perhaps "java" is too broad a descriptor with all the different compilers, VMs or not, etc. available
mircea_popescu: maybe some kids wanted to fuck but didn't know how to camp so they used the available pilar ?
BingoBoingo: There better not be any of those around here.
BingoBoingo: So, going out to pick up some chicken hearts to fry up for breakfast I saw the local much beloved microwave tower covered in a tent of some sort
mircea_popescu: dude there's two people with wy ? apologies for misdirection
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 04:44:57; asciilifeform: in fact, i saw these, as a boy, and they permanently defined what 'advertising' means in my head.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1249996 << they did that much of a public service.
wywialm: mike_c, we will not drop the python app
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis and the alternative is asm, obviously :))
wywialm: mircea_popescu, what is java most hated for - in particular, in client-side? and what is the recommended alternative for similar purposes?
mike_c: i was assuming he meant not using AES to encode the message
punkman: what's the difference of full rsa to current gpg?
asciilifeform: there was a specific algo used here
mircea_popescu: shit... dude i miss the drunken evening over a musama covered table with drunk people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and see, if they used hot gurlz, it wouldn't be 'common man !!11!!!111'
mircea_popescu: the shuba woiman lol.
mike_c: but I hear bandwidth is doubling every year for the next 10 years :)
wywialm: for "high touch" users, no, pyton-gnupg is more or less ok, but for algo and managing mulitple instruments the delays are noticeable
mircea_popescu: turns out in point of fact a good chunk of the internet "ponzi" subculture has to do with this schmuck promoting nonsense like it's his mission in life.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, is there something i miss? re bouncy castle: we'll most likely have to write a library to make it more usable
mike_c: i mean, unless you're supporting HFT, is it really a problem for the client app?
wywialm: that is very temporary, we'll be moving to java bouncy castle in the near future
mike_c: going to give gpgme a run around the block and see how that does.
wywialm: mike_c, from the client side, we have a python-gnupg wrapper app around our api
asciilifeform: if simply trying to verify sigs, the python-gpg crud sorta works.
mike_c: wywialm: what do the quedex guys use to talk to gpg?
mircea_popescu: looks like it'll be the first competing standard we end up writing.
mircea_popescu: mike_c another premature thing is a pgp implementation that's proper.
mike_c: so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing?
mike_c: a hacked together with band-aids and rubber bands shell callout
mircea_popescu: mike_c from what i've seen, the python-anything turns out that way
mircea_popescu: in other news, https://bitbet.us/bet/1167/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-september/ should be interesting.