ben_vulpes: so you claim.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is not the war you grew up idolizing. it's war, which means it's going to be horrible and unpleasant for all involved.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> what's wrong with enslaving yourself to someone better?, <asciilifeform> decimation: nothing - it's called army << do reconsider la serenissima in this light
ben_vulpes: !s 40k
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: is that *your* harem's burn rate?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> if someone sent me 100k (magically, tax-free) i'd do... what? take 3 mo. off, spend the next 9 looking for next gig ? << good grief your burn rate, man.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sets the tone, you know?
ben_vulpes: portland's a moderately kinky town.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: everyone.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and blondy in black dress over there's almost hawt. << reminds me of the intro line newcomers to pdx-burningman were subjected to without fail for years, presumably if the political correctness mob hasn't gotten to them yet still are: "are you hot?"
ben_vulpes: skinned counterstrike or some such?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: perianne.
ben_vulpes: oh and dealing with the output of people who "like it".
ben_vulpes: programming requires obscene mental contortions.
ben_vulpes: work requires only energy.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i appreciated your point about hating programming recently
ben_vulpes goes to buy a bottle of wine to fuel the ruby rage
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage << a good eighth of my time is spent talking smart young guys down out of a shartup-inspired rage attack
ben_vulpes checks to see if a > 1mb block is floating around
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: walk where? wants grant money for himself as a result of the discovery?
ben_vulpes: (people can't do "crosseye"?)
ben_vulpes: "failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children".
ben_vulpes: ?
ben_vulpes: see also kibbutz
ben_vulpes: yeah.
ben_vulpes: 'komunalki' < hm
ben_vulpes: aha.
ben_vulpes: i'm sure there's some fatalistic reasoning against buying property and renting it out in this scenario
ben_vulpes: 'chocolate'?
ben_vulpes: does the political power du jour really go so far as to entirely alienate the rentiers?
ben_vulpes: how do rentals fare in this model?
ben_vulpes: i shall
ben_vulpes: i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked.
ben_vulpes: 'reinventing collapse'?
ben_vulpes: is orlov's account of the soviet collapse halfway accurate?
ben_vulpes: tax credits for sales to favorite sons.
ben_vulpes: 'opportunity grants'
ben_vulpes: why go through the trouble of confiscating, when again, funds for disbursement to the 'blessed poor' can be routed to the homebuilders?
ben_vulpes: even then, there's miles of pressed shitboard that can yet be erected.
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: there are no ethnic minorities around here, and won't be for another decade easily.
ben_vulpes: what, then?
ben_vulpes: payroll*.
ben_vulpes: confiscation isn't likely to compare with taxes pulled in from payrol..
ben_vulpes: politically useful. see the routine audits of whoever's not in power.
ben_vulpes: why bother? just print more.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'porsche' << civil forfeiture, not terrism.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: harumph
ben_vulpes: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/nyregion/3-men-in-brooklyn-charged-supporting-isis.html?_r=0
ben_vulpes: it's an abysmal cycle.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [04:32] what does ben_vulpes do with his apple boxen? just throws them out when disk fills ? << generally, backup disk, format, give to pets and or repurpose as misc. computing devices around the house/office.
ben_vulpes: how was vaycay?
ben_vulpes: wine and sutff calls.
ben_vulpes: anyways, it's fri.
ben_vulpes: my point is that large fractions of a planet's worth of btc are already bet on btc.
ben_vulpes: perhaps talk to others who are risking 'a planet' worth of btc already on...extant btc.
ben_vulpes: the life insurance policies are dwarfed by the operational costs and value of the machine in question.
ben_vulpes: well bitcoin ain't an airplane.
ben_vulpes: i've not the planet.
ben_vulpes: thing works, what.
ben_vulpes: cannot be avoided?
ben_vulpes: paha.
ben_vulpes: excruciating subset doesn't hurt?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: when did you become a fan of provably anything software?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i really don't see what mpex has to do with freenode's swiss cheese.
ben_vulpes: anyways for the record, feel free to query me at any time for a signature.
ben_vulpes: http://lightning.network/lightning-network.pdf << scaling, sidechains, derpage.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: divorcing my bouncer.
ben_vulpes: whaddaya take me for, some kind of poofy oz?
ben_vulpes: oi mate i don't dick around with bounders
ben_vulpes read, noticed.
ben_vulpes: you're running some interesting experiments, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: "FDIC Insurance"
ben_vulpes: "who am i with my white cis-gendered privilege to pass judgement on such a masterpiece?"
ben_vulpes: dang.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'clojure' << lol how'd you get that level of hatred up?
ben_vulpes: i started with vim - i know somewhat whereof i speak.
ben_vulpes: granted, nothing that vim doesn't do (poorly)
ben_vulpes: tags browser...
ben_vulpes: text editor, debugger, grep wrapper, vcs wrapper, irc client...
ben_vulpes: that is the point of using emacs.
ben_vulpes: emacs in x11
ben_vulpes: os x
ben_vulpes: and progressively less as i sharpen my sword/till my garden.
ben_vulpes: fine, you got me. not "never", but only under duress.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: stack?
ben_vulpes: do you take me for a menu-traverser?
ben_vulpes: i never take my hands off the keyboard.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: who said anything about mice?
ben_vulpes: cutting and pasting etc must fit within emacs text manipulation paradigms.
ben_vulpes: for instance, i hate weechat and irssi.
ben_vulpes: emacs - not.
ben_vulpes: htop - good
ben_vulpes: but for other things, it is not.
ben_vulpes: it's good for the things for which it is good
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: re tmux etc like alf, i pretty much refuse to work in a terminal
ben_vulpes: be stupid like me
ben_vulpes: x11 tunnel
ben_vulpes: put emacs on a remote host
ben_vulpes: give up
ben_vulpes: i've no idea what you mean...
ben_vulpes: hungry arrow keys?
ben_vulpes: all i really know is how to ask about what others do and run my own experiments.
ben_vulpes: i don't really know enough to laugh.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what typeface do you use?
ben_vulpes: the most obvious route to me at the time was to run emacs in a terminal on a remote host.
ben_vulpes: i like manipulating text in emacs, but wanted a persistent connection to b-a.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: novice's bouncer.
ben_vulpes: all for want of a workstation, i suppose.
ben_vulpes: followed by emacsclient crashing emacs --daemon every time the x11 frame disappeared
ben_vulpes: aquamacs -> railwaycat emacs port -> erc in a terminal on a remote host -> frustrations with tiling window managers in os x -> discovery of xmonad, ratpoison and friends -> x11 configuration -> stumpwm -> emacs on os x in x11 -> horrific bastard mode of "znc" on local machine with "znc" running on remote host -> emacs on remote host as bouncer displaying on a local x11 frame
ben_vulpes: the progression was
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes is baffled as to why guessing would be necessary
ben_vulpes: oh come now, don't be coy.
ben_vulpes: i've finally grown up a bit then i guess.
ben_vulpes: in a terminal.
ben_vulpes: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/32423?project=1 << emacs over x11. am i the only one who does this?
ben_vulpes: sure, the otp itself.
ben_vulpes: there an assbot persistent otp link per key?
ben_vulpes: ;;seen pigeons
ben_vulpes: jurov: "preemptively go down" << ftfy :P
ben_vulpes: it's a pun.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "diddlematics" << i never figured kako for a collaborator...
ben_vulpes: "An agile, distributed, and secure strategy for replacing Certificate Authorities" << agile, hah.
ben_vulpes: your cloak is applied after you join, fyi
ben_vulpes: !up yhwh_
ben_vulpes: if it's not one thing it's a dang nother.
ben_vulpes: i
ben_vulpes: the trick is (drumroll please)
ben_vulpes: decimation, lmk if you need a hand with erc and sasl.
ben_vulpes: just...testing in production.
ben_vulpes: thanks punkman.
ben_vulpes: harumph.
ben_vulpes: !up benkay
ben_vulpes: `emacs -daemon && emacsclient -c`...not so much.
ben_vulpes: `emacs` on remote server pops x11 frame locally
ben_vulpes: jurov, asciilifeform: as though "lisp" and "algol" even exist as actual things.
ben_vulpes: where's the anger?
ben_vulpes: "boring, world's going to hell in a handbasket."
ben_vulpes: this "snore" attitude is part and parcel of the decay.
ben_vulpes: no snore.
ben_vulpes: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: "Mindlessly Churn Out Crud Apps!"
ben_vulpes: "No Thinking Required!"™
ben_vulpes: (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community")
ben_vulpes back to the mines
ben_vulpes: and i speak not as a veteran here.
ben_vulpes: mostly, because it's so damn easy.
ben_vulpes: i'm always cautious about that line.
ben_vulpes: there's something about working in lisp that seems to reduce the speed at which entropy chews apart a webdev project.
ben_vulpes: (most wordprexen are cobbled together from plugins - not terrifically difficult to reason about)
ben_vulpes: rails, ibid.
ben_vulpes: miserable django shites made by novices rapidly become very expensive to reason about.
ben_vulpes: mike_c: keep in mind i'm approaching this from an empirical perspective.
ben_vulpes: but the surface area over which they can make mistakes is vastly limited.
ben_vulpes: a sword still cuts.
ben_vulpes: not at all.
ben_vulpes: ORM/wire?
ben_vulpes: the novice's desire to not learn how relational databases work and how to leverage their strengths is damaging to both themselves and anyone downhill of them.
ben_vulpes: while again it can be used well by people who can use it well (intentional tautology)
ben_vulpes: oh and let's not get into the ORM.
ben_vulpes: mike_c: ever touched a clojure ring app?
ben_vulpes: and in their experiments with object oriented programming create these insane class hierarchies that are impossible to fit into human working memory.
ben_vulpes: while they can all be used well by people who know what they're doing, most people using them categorically do not.
ben_vulpes: fuck django, fuck rails, and probably fuck turbogears too.
ben_vulpes: fuck it
ben_vulpes is a baffle
ben_vulpes: ho ho
ben_vulpes: hee hee
ben_vulpes: <plonky> [] the most wtf of today http://presschain.com/decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain/ << don't use bitcoin it's dangewous!
ben_vulpes: db entries pulled via curl
ben_vulpes: life is educational if you keep your eyes open, what can i say.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lol i do now.
ben_vulpes: but a patent for that thing?
ben_vulpes: granted, hardware in the wild that did the same thing cost ~1000x what i built, didn't work nearly as well.
ben_vulpes: 'twas an "innovative" ground plane.
ben_vulpes: "but i don't really know that--" "fill out these papers, kid. we'll send you a check and something for your home office wall."
ben_vulpes: hounded me *incessantly* for patent paper work after that point.
ben_vulpes: because i asked them to put an nda together for a vendor i wanted to communicate some things to
ben_vulpes: legal caught wind of what i was doing
ben_vulpes: actually a funny story related
ben_vulpes: decimation: probably some of my earliest introductions to the bezzle.
ben_vulpes: actually now that i think of it the bulk of my career has been blessed by sages of various stripes who didn't particularly mind my derping around, or at least found me entertaining enough to tolerate.
ben_vulpes: also the sage american me.
ben_vulpes: i learned much from the sage japanese ee in that shop.
ben_vulpes had papers and dollars allocated from the semi testing company for "research and development" that largely consisted of stapling together existing systems and handing the whole package off (with specs and partlists) to the production line engineers
ben_vulpes: decimation: oh yes? this i'm not quite familiar with.
ben_vulpes: oh, and let us not forget the "research and development" tax credits.
ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated.
ben_vulpes: apparently they expect one to buy a bit of research and put it on the books.
ben_vulpes: i saw a company offering to "create research equity" for other companies.
ben_vulpes: plus all of the 'support'
ben_vulpes: demand side is huge from ford, intel et al
ben_vulpes: they're not terribly hard to get into.
ben_vulpes: yeah, 's always been my attitude.
ben_vulpes: it's not you, it's the americans.
ben_vulpes: to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area?
ben_vulpes: to poke the bear?
ben_vulpes: so it seems a good exercise would be to release that list of recipients anyways.
ben_vulpes: because abandonware.
ben_vulpes: end up ripping the fixture out of the wall and soldering things together.
ben_vulpes: i generally know the thing needs plugging in but frequently find myself unable to line up the right pins with the right sockets
ben_vulpes: neat trick, that
ben_vulpes: i can sorta read -assets logs backwards now
ben_vulpes: sometimes april 1st
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> cuz you liked teh woman, foo. << i see this coming
ben_vulpes: more software. just what the world needs.
ben_vulpes: is it one of those "virulent" licenses? that nominally made things into which their licensed source was rolled also "open" source?
ben_vulpes rereads *again*
ben_vulpes: on the face of it (and granted, i'm tired and slow), it seems this license would only ever prevent folks from using anything so licensed.
ben_vulpes: while i'm up and it's quiet, what is the point of this new 'license' of yours?
ben_vulpes: (little, late and only with others' light)
ben_vulpes: i see, i see.
ben_vulpes rereads the article in question
ben_vulpes: i am simply low on brain and reading comprehension this evening.
ben_vulpes: ah no
ben_vulpes: wasn't he just wrong?
ben_vulpes: some bitcointalk.org person who shuttered their own operation preemptively.
ben_vulpes: well i can't find it.
ben_vulpes: recently, i might add.
ben_vulpes: you wrote about him at one point.
ben_vulpes: it's war, there's no winning.
ben_vulpes: show me some that don't, eh?
ben_vulpes: makes me wonder what those of us desperately milking the bezzle of what drops it yields will be castigated with.
ben_vulpes: shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima. play with the feds: get exiled. exile yourself from the us, wither on the vine of unprofitability.
ben_vulpes: can't win for losing
ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093147 << sure thing shill
ben_vulpes: ahaha and then ruby ecosystem just falls over en masse without libreadline6-dev on the machine. no warnings at compile or until i go to actually run this hellspawn rails app
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you at least understand the toolchain with which you grapple.
ben_vulpes: muntz on, good sir.
ben_vulpes: can i say something dramatic yet?
ben_vulpes: okay i lost a weekend to ruby dependency hell
ben_vulpes: bitbet volume up this month?
ben_vulpes: damned if i can remember it.
ben_vulpes: there's a particularly good sci fi story about people who lease their wetware out during the day, are monitored for minute reactions.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it also runs davout's thing
ben_vulpes: everything in the ruby world is abandonware
ben_vulpes: dude
ben_vulpes: unbalanced: the term is "asshat"
ben_vulpes: sounds par for your experiences down south.
ben_vulpes: was there anything interesting on display at all?
ben_vulpes: what's the point?
ben_vulpes: haw
ben_vulpes: good find, BingoBoingo.
ben_vulpes: poor people opining about champagne.
ben_vulpes: decimation: the person in question wouldn't know the difference.
ben_vulpes: bourbon? self-disqualified.