ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is it intentional that v will not list the wot without root patches?
shinohai: I can see that. Death seems too simple a solution to deal with enemies, if your desire is to conquer them.
funkenstein_: perhaps we shouldn't try too hard to understand the actions of psychopaths, but rather - the inaction of those who could prevent this shit
funkenstein_: that's the one ;)
shinohai: Perhaps so. I have not the insights into such things myself. Though I cannot be accused of having inflated self-worth I can't rationalize how killing things makes me matter more.
funkenstein_: shinohai, the only thing I can come up with is such total insecurity and absence of self worth that the feeling of killing things makes one feel like they "matter" (to borrow from earlier convo)
shinohai: I have no clue. usg feels that if a region is unstable and retarded then 'muricans can swoop in save the day and keep it all under their control?
shinohai: It serves their interests more to keep the region unstable, and it has been far too long since Guatemala's civil war.
shinohai: Of course not, even though the US pressured his admin to end "corruption" lol
funkenstein_: but no, nyt won't mention that he is a cia asset, soa graduate, or name the ixil.
assbot: Army launches investigation after violence in West Point pillow fight - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLArj7 )
mod6: Well, one thing I don't want is a persistant store of the parents and children of a given patch. I want it to read it fresh everytime so ensure things aren't diddled or cosmic-ray'd or just stale or something. Not sure if that's what was changed on punkmans side. But I want the one that I use to do all of this in one shot.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263375 << catastrophically bad idea !!! << I don't want it to cache the stuff to disk each time either. I want it to do everything from start, ensures that everything is fresh and !stale.
shinohai: !up thestringpuller
btcdrak: <3 that was a pretty good score considering all the armchair lawyers who came out of the woodwork telling me I was wrong...
assbot: btcdrak comments on Bitcoin Foundation: "Today’s shoutout is to Blockstream, who has funded more core dev than anyone, including us. Their knowledge & depth is extraordinary." ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQRL0o )
punkman: ascii_modem, I understand this, but let's just say I have other project that won't be fun if it takes 6 weeks to recompute
jurov: sigh. i defo need a buddy for these times when my brain just shuts down (this time due to allergy)
assbot: 'El Chapo': Drug boss's son accidentally reveals fugitive's location on Twitter - Americas - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLdqg6 )
trinque: ben_vulpes | but srs, "don't leave valuables in the vehicle" around these parts. << yup, was packing.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 20:41:46; mircea_popescu: in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he.
lksakeye: Yo this is isaackl. For the record, I returned dear leader his 1 btc, one month before he accused me of theft. (https://blockchain.info/address/1Bum3oXxbCLUg54snyL6rmBz7vRBuPUr6G, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172722)
ben_vulpes: i, for instance, no longer shit in the kitchen
shinohai: Well *you* still have a trained one ben_vulpes. My gf is coming over to cookout later, though I rather enjoy the BBQ side of cooking.
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 21:55:02; trinque: my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 21:44:38; mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262756 << in other words, the perfect pressed-shit-carbide with which to carve up httptrons
funkenstein_: It's the total lack of intellectual curiosity - the fear of learning - and yes - that they drove off the fucking lorax.
funkenstein_: It's not Washington's orders to slit throats of women and children, nor Jackson's collection of noses and human skin leather that pisses me off so much.
funkenstein_: I'm also not going to celebrate the destruction of the library of Alexandria because "people".
shinohai: Is there a #bitcoin-assets app? (kek)
punkman: shinohai: that's why they raised $3.5mil to make an app
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkensein_ see http://trilema.com/2014/the-lorax/
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/aPfv6U8.gifv << dude decided moving the god damned vespa would not have been easier.
funkenstein_: perhaps, a hint for the future of North Tenochtitlan
punkman: "Is that a virus? Who cares. Run it. Let the Russian botmaster watch you dress through your webcam. Make sure your underwear matches. Lenovo."
asciilifeform: or my 'give thermonukes a chance'
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> "only good places are where people generally aren't" << ergo naggum's 'herd hither, me thither'
mircea_popescu: this is the reason early us was so great : it correctly identified the natives as the scum that they are, by virtue of being people, and massacred them wholesale.
asciilifeform: or the vermin just get fatter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is very reminiscent of the pesticide business
mircea_popescu: the only way to extract function out of the kicking-and-screaming pile of "human cultural & civilisational heritage" is to use things it doesn't know yet. unknown file extensions. unknown protocols. what have you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so muchg fopr the ~actual~ intended usecase, where idiot can be emailed with the ml cc'd.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150904/florianweimer_cfc8c951caf6f5369c6421759f0113527f5f5fa0.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie << worked also.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000164.html << congrats mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: otherwise my tar.gz-en would have been mangled
asciilifeform: triggers the mutilatron aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was the fucking extension.
mircea_popescu: mkay. so the important rule being : never use any sane file extension.
mircea_popescu: well no cause i can see the sigs no longer verify/stuff was mangled if download the attachments.
asciilifeform: mix the cement.
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i know. i'm the user!
mircea_popescu: copiued everything exactly like i did there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did you do this one http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html ?
asciilifeform: too much yoga (in the soviet cartoon 'single nail, start small' sense) in it, for folks not accustomed to this yoga
asciilifeform: tbh i was a little surprised that suddenly mircea_popescu was bothering to use turdatron
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:32:22; asciilifeform: possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey
mircea_popescu: what i had in mind with the "accept encrypted only" thing
mircea_popescu: i will proceed to phase it out altogether.
mircea_popescu gags at the atrocious "dynamic" page
asciilifeform: prolly because your squirrelmail install treats the attachments as mime/txt or whatnot and decides 'eligible for genitalmutilation!!'
mircea_popescu: this is not the trailing.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 22:30:54; jurov: EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE
mircea_popescu: you had this problem, almost ot the letter, and i confess i thought you were being unreasonable.
asciilifeform: two variants 1) wait till i'm done writing the wwwtronic upload box thing (could be tomorrow night, i'm spending the morning pulling cable)
mircea_popescu: you tell me, what the fuck am i supposed to do. i got this thing here, i want it to be so and so. what now.
mircea_popescu: and then any reandom schmuck comes around and herp derp, s/x/y/ because hey, i read it in a coimputing cookbook once
asciilifeform: (the later never comes, we have ran out of universe)
asciilifeform: because otherwise, enemy can upload a petabyte of garbage, and the sig is not seen until later
asciilifeform: trivially, it is impossible to have a thing like what i am making now, where the sig is not uploaded first
asciilifeform: no, but the signature - can.
mircea_popescu: "the thing that was signed" can not stand on iuts own.
asciilifeform: it is the thing that was signed.
asciilifeform: and how the fuck is a sig to be attached to a binary ?
asciilifeform: how the fuck is more than one person supposed to sign something without detached sigs ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was all the more frustrating to me because 1) i suggested it 2) couldn't think of any genuine improvement
mircea_popescu no loinger has the energy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what of the message body ?
mircea_popescu: $ gpg --verify florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie.asc florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie
asciilifeform: (presumably to distract from the ones still whole ?)
asciilifeform: the one thing that i don't get is why mr schmuck is blowing a usgtron open
mircea_popescu: fairness is for peers not for the canaille.
pete_dushenski can hear the sweet sounds of keyboards being smashed in a furious rage all the way from arg.
mircea_popescu: the who the fuck line is caps and me holding shift at the same time. consider it double screaming.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck told you .txt is ok to fuck up omfg
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
trinque: kinda hilarious how everything in OSS starts breaking the moment you have hard requirements
trinque: in my case a deedbot- user would notice the rejected: 1 and complain to me
asciilifeform: rather than a cosmic-rayed superset
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all sv gasbags use the same 'clip art' with starving africans holding iPnohes - i could've toldya that
asciilifeform: (in the south, 3!!)
mircea_popescu: residents of northern tenochtitlan need to get over the idea that the "united states of america" matters
asciilifeform: so 1,275 is 1275 in the land of mordor.
asciilifeform: (american traditional floating point is the comma, e.g., a thousand and one nights, 1,001)
mircea_popescu: gee, i guess all this preoccupation with kids in africa must be pretty fucking novel. they didn't give a shit about africa throughout.
mircea_popescu: this is in my mind the new high point of "bitcoin core" power ranger retardation
mircea_popescu: in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation,
asciilifeform: i was just gonna have the thing eat tars.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd mean having keys on the serv end
mircea_popescu: punkman these are attachments. should go through untouched in ANY manner.
mircea_popescu: at this point, i find myself persuaded that email is the wrong thing, knuth was right, it should have died long ago.
punkman: squirrelmail ate the last newline in one of my files
mircea_popescu: and, much like insane notions of agency as defined legally ("guy spreading his legs is DOING something ; gal eating herself into a bus size is not specifically doing anything"), the quantitative approach favours female dumb.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online << this ironically is the first, and to date the most ample use of language. stupid women spreading their stupid whatever it is while pregnant and nursing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FHAYQK so i suppose the ATTACHEMENTS get mangled now ?
mircea_popescu: ah what the fuck.
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 20:19:44; BingoBoingo: http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet
pete_dushenski: and the comments themselves are exceedingly close to being relevant and don't contain a single outbound link
pete_dushenski: the craftiest spam commenters i've yet seen are all pointing to this guy : http://handyortenmein.com/
asciilifeform: my observation was that he neglected to mention what was meant by 'accidental factors of a corrupted public key', and the most prominent prior art.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i think he was talking about an ssl turd, rather than anything from phuctor ?
asciilifeform: neither sig verifies.
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 21:58:42; mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case.
trinque: asciilifeform | <trinque> maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one. << cool!
pete_dushenski: shinohai: well no one's born knowing these things, but there are worse places to learn about the world and yourself than b-a
shinohai: I don't mind the inquiry, sometimes I think perhaps I am too uneducated to even know the answer to that lol/
pete_dushenski: cazalla: terrible logic and you know it. there's dozens of 'tech/poli/bitcoin newz sites'. none are qntra.
cazalla: in other news, should be a bumper crop of broad beans in 6-8 weeks http://i.imgur.com/cWCLM61.jpg
cazalla: pete_dushenski, they're a dime a dozen so i never pursued it further than regging a domain name
pete_dushenski: shinohai: leaving aside 'normal american' notions, how do ~you~ want to matter ? if you don't mind the inquiry
shinohai: I was told I didn't need my physical keyboard either, only a touchscreen. yeah.
shinohai: Nearly everyone *wants* to matter in some way, pete_dushenski. I'm not sure I want to matter in the preconceived notions that American culture *wants* you to matter in.
pete_dushenski: https://stronglang.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/new-voice-transcription-feature-in-google-docs-censors-some-swearwords/ << the future of voice recognition software. "oh, we don't need keyboards, we just need next-gen ai so we can mommy blog while we're changing diapers."
cazalla: well, not really, gave me the idea to do.. daddy blogging lol
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 00:53:44; pete_dushenski: their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s'
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262962 <<< i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online
shinohai: I find it rther liberating to know I don't matter and no one gives a shit what I say.
pete_dushenski: they're not actually heard, of course, no functional system could handle that much noise, but they are lent a convincing simulacrum of importance
pete_dushenski: so that's exactly what they get
pete_dushenski: shinohai: they want to 'feel heard'
shinohai: People don't know "what they want"
pete_dushenski: of course, behind the scenes, is proctor and gamble, which is to say, that senile old limp-dick from omaha
pete_dushenski: why learn anything or do anything when you can just dick around until the cows come home ?
pete_dushenski: their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s'
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 00:45:55; mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ?
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262950 <<< Likely the same ppl that bitch about mpex having that 90's coded website when it works perfectly fine *for what it was designed to do*
pete_dushenski: "Deniss Calovskis, 30, pleaded guilty in federal court in Manhattan to conspiring to commit computer intrusion, admitting that he had been hired to write some of the computer code that made the so-called Gozi virus so effective."
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha thanks. gonna try redoing this for the 7th or so time
pete_dushenski: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.674381 << lulzy example of israeli tech leading the way
asciilifeform: one possible variant would be to permit l1 folks to deedbot arbitrary detached signatures, and then accept via mail any document that matches the signature (one per, or we get dosed)
asciilifeform: ftr i happen to think that the turdatron is an abomination, but presently i have no idea what could be used instead. in fact, iirc i was the one to suggest the current scheme.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000145.html << good example of how to use turdatron. click on the links to see each of the three attachments verbatim.
kakobrekla: >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work!
asciilifeform: <trinque> maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one.
asciilifeform: because SOME FUCKTARDATION MUTILATES THE ASCII
asciilifeform: in fact, if i do it any other way, it dies
asciilifeform: body can also consist of attachment, in the form: 1st attach: body.txt (clearsigned text)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo
trinque: or do you mean replacing mailman with another mail thing that works better
trinque: maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ?
mircea_popescu: the "with clearsigned body and .sig signature" version is exact replica of the single email i successfully sent to date, back in the days of the V patch.
trinque: huh, maybe the ML's just busted
mircea_popescu: ok, for the record : sent it with no body, and with a clearsigned body ; the latter with .asc armored signature and with .sig binary signature. still nothing there.
mircea_popescu: trinque hm it might have been the armored detached sig o.O
mircea_popescu: the logs remember.
xinxiwang: the market is calm.
mircea_popescu: to doubleckeck here : email to the address, had a plaintext as 1st attachment and detached sig as 2nd attachment/
mircea_popescu: the friability of this thing, whereby i did something, i didn't observe the expected result, and don't know what to do is driving me fucking bonkers.
mircea_popescu falls into an alf-style rage over the ml thing.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry
mircea_popescu: <mats> european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft << nato is basically european-wide greece for military issues. specifically this : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259766
mircea_popescu: jurov sent an email to the ml ~5 mins ago, i don't see it on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/thread.html any idea why ?
mircea_popescu: <mats> bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' << the first point is true in the objective. it is however "relatively deflationary" in the sense that to the rocket, all things seem to be sinking ; 2 is an obscure point of the future but seems likely correct ; 3. is outright false. willingness to hold === value
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 22:09:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms.
shinohai: Music is the ambrosia of the soul and all that. When one is drunk, one rarely cares if it is fine wine or swag.
mircea_popescu: nothing about womenz and panties in there whatsoever. i'm sure.
trinque: yeah I'm total shit on the guitar
trinque: just commenting on the scum about
mircea_popescu: and im lioke what and he's like it's fixed and then is like "oooooh"
trinque: shinohai: yeah I have pictures of the relevant stickers with all that, but don't give a siht
ascii_modem: in usa - both jail. but there is a difference.
mircea_popescu: as a kid, /me fambly had a neighbour. one day mom's cooking and i'm computing in other room. door was unlocked (most of my life i lived in a world where locks were not really useful). neighbour blasts in, goes past mom, into room, has a wrench, approaches heating element decidedly
mircea_popescu: but in the us of today this is not feasible, for the same reason email spam is a thing
mircea_popescu: and yes, much like the "don't thermite" thing, this worked fine in a world 1/50 as small and very deeply patriarchical.
trinque: eh can't just come out blasting; say the guy's looking for his dumb toddler that wandered onto your porch
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms.
mircea_popescu: at the time this was a lot more likely than today.
mircea_popescu: (but in the original context it made a lot of sense. you really don't want to lose an arm because you innocently wandered into what you thought was a shop. because the patrimonial dispute thereby ensuing can be fixed, but the arm can not be reattached.)
trinque: reasonable's you smash a man's car and that's the end of you
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if they break into his car and thereby lose a hand in the explosion he's going to jail.
trinque: ahaha, well if they plug anything in... I have my ways
trinque: on the plus side, less to unpack later; I wasn't going to bring furniture anyway, so these were mostly toys stolen
trinque: hope the 4u fell on someone, fucker was heavy
ascii_modem: usually they steal first, ask questions later
trinque: wtf are they going to do with a storage server anyway
trinque: shinohai: the acoustic had sentimental value, dad bought it for me.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect pretty strongly that the interest in romanian such as it is is because ~I~ speak it, here as well as in my harem and anywhere else genuine interest exists for this particular item in the "crappy language pack".
mircea_popescu: i never ever spoke any russian, with anyone, pre b-a, because no, russian is not "the vocabulary", but principally the set of historical russians. between tolstoy and hruschev not so much to pick.
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem for the maybe related tinfoilhat category : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-09-04.log.html#t21:22:17
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem kinda why the venezuela bank story is so lulzy. look at this picture worth 1k words : http://50noticias.com/portal/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Banco_de_Venezuela_Punto_Fijo_0011.jpg
trinque: my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc
mircea_popescu: them rays are strong today, better do less global warming for bitcoin mining!
mircea_popescu: t we use ecc ? or pki ? they're "perfectly functional solutions" that "other people" have "come to expect" blablabla.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike using ripple. you'r
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: \o/ now if i only had btc to trade with the mermaids!
assbot: Another Neurodegenerative Disease Linked To Prion Mechanism | September 7, 2015 Issue - Vol. 93 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUrNb )
BingoBoingo: http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet
mats: from the foreword: 'In short, at a time when the United States needs the most help, the prospects for receiving it, with the exception of a few allies, look more worrisome than at any point since perhaps the immediate aftermath of World War II.' - COL (Ret.) Lovelace
mats: european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft
assbot: A Hard Look at Hard Power: Assessing the Defense Capabilities of Key U.S. Allies and Security Partners ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrlpjp )
mats: afaik usn/usaf programs are the ones that kill people via rc
mats: as far as i know the army only operates drones to surveill and recon
ascii_field: *with the pin out
ascii_field: or perhaps a little cup in which to stuff a frag with the spoon out
ascii_field: one example of 'military' feature would be, say, guidance via laser (or something else the opponent can't jam with $5 of components)
mats: what qualifies as 'military'? i don't believe the army operates any uas with arms