trinque: indeed; I'll put something on it to point the way in
mircea_popescu: trinque the requirement for people to be in the wot to use it ain't never going away. but the pressure to actually get in said wot is ever mounting.
asciilifeform: 'The FBIs theatrical professions of regret over Vickis death belied the fact that the battalion of combat-outfitted law enforcement personnel on the scene at Ruby Ridge celebrated the killing as a noble victory: With full knowledge that Mrs. Weaver was dead, they named their staging area Camp Vicki, and used a public address system to taunt Randy and his by pretending to speak on behalf of his dead wife.'
asciilifeform: 'Horiuchis comrades offered the same defense of the FBI snipers murderous actions at Ruby Ridge. By killing Vicki, he acted to save lives, insisted fellow FBI sniper Dale Monroe. Like the unnamed Iraqi woman, Vicki must be regarded as a hateful, irrational, marginally human creature who simply didnt understand that when the Empire makes a proprietary claim on you and your family, it is not only a crime but a sin
asciilifeform: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/william-norman-grigg/lon-horiuchi-american-sniper << for folks unfamiliar with the figure
mircea_popescu: it's there
trinque: mircea_popescu: it is sha256 of the bundle's deed joined by \n - which is used as a private key - from which the pubkey and address are produced
mircea_popescu: and to use the most apropriate expression for this, which happens to be in romanian, "atita le si trebe'"
mircea_popescu: other direction ? you kidding man, not shot as much as a bb round this way.
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, re midnightmagic's question, i don't recall the format. was it the deeds get concatenated with \n as aseparator, sha512'd and that's the pubkey for the spend ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at the moment the shoot-for-sport thing is entirely in the other direction.
asciilifeform: usa is, approximately, a safari preserve. yes, most of the inmates of the zoo will never be shot at, not directly. but every so often the keepers drive the jeep through the safari lands, shoot the most uppity beasts, sometimes invite friends for a sport hunt
asciilifeform: 'course it's not a crime! they won't, after all, riot
mircea_popescu: this may be the most outrageous perversion of justice yet.
mircea_popescu: "Perricones and later First United States Attorney and Chief of the Offices Criminal Division Jan Manns identities were uncovered by forensic comparison of their characteristic writing styles in the online comments and in court filings. The forensic expert in question had previously assisted the FBI in identifying the Unabomber."
asciilifeform: grew legs, they did.
asciilifeform: just as the 89 series did
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also learned that 'ti-92' is being sold by the bucketful on 'ebay', evidently it has fallen out of favour somewhere institutional
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are gigantic farms of folks toiling, reversing microshit's patches
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: microshit was never especially talkative re: exactly what was in the patches.
asciilifeform: i just finished the piece, it is a gem.
BingoBoingo: To be fair pete_dushenski Microsoft probably doesn't even know what they are ordered to put into patches anymore
asciilifeform: http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << again, for anyone who missed this, and is interested in 'derive' or 'mulisp'. this article was co-written by the authors of mulisp and derive! chock-full of implementation details and interesting lore. and yes, it is in pdf. and no, it cannot be represented in ascii. fuckyou buy a printer.
mircea_popescu: was not there.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 20:12:07; ascii_field: analmaster is my neighbour in the uranium minez
asciilifeform: the present-day turn of events was not dreamt of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the man who digs into an untenable position may be well intended, but he is still not a talented commander.
asciilifeform: given as things did not turn to shit while they were in his hands - i must say yes
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 19:40:08; ascii_field: 2011 trial "contributed to the mob mentality potentially inherent in instantaneous, unbridled, passionate online discourse," the court said. In light of that, the appellate court found a fair trial wasn't possible.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265515 << also, they discovered the victims were actually white.
asciilifeform: but rms is a man of much greater talent, and isn't really a snake the way esr is.
asciilifeform: rms, interestingly, did to emacs something much like esr tried to do to the things he sprayed his piss on
asciilifeform: just not in the sense he claimed.
asciilifeform: meet esr in the flesh - the gasbag won't ever shut up about how his fingers were 'on everything.' -- and they were.
mircea_popescu: he's not nearly the strategic mind he masturbares himself over.
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean code work. intellectual work altogether.
asciilifeform: esr is ~the~ 'plowing fly' of linux.
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 19:28:02; ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impr
mircea_popescu: there's no neutrality in this matter.
asciilifeform: which he appropriated, slapped own name on the cover, and peppered with idiot invented words with no history
mircea_popescu: i dun know how to put it plainer than : the war is between smart people and stupid people.
asciilifeform: btw, perhaps the lightest, but still not forgotten, of esr's crimes is his theft of the 'hacker's dictionary'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't wait for this letter. after all, he still has a skin for them to take
mircea_popescu: and now ? where's the letter going "i was a fucking imbecile to sign with the usg!!11"
mircea_popescu: oh he knew so much better then, and "of course" this and that.
mircea_popescu: derp made a deal, sold out the thing, a decade later is out on his ass.
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql38iY )
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:20:59; pete_dushenski: " It’s not going to make much of a dent in (for example) medical insurance, thanks to the statist bastards who’ve driven health-care costs into the stratosphere through their incessant meddling. (They cost my wife her job, too – that’s been psychologically rough on her.)" << moar esr from punkman's link
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265470 <<< the only thing that goes with this is http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.0-123.37
mircea_popescu: just in case any of the friends of scammer&idiot club need to know after a few years why they're blacklisted.
mircea_popescu: dude check it out lmao. the hamplanet transgenderderpatron is investing in bitcoin nao
asciilifeform: trinque: you so much as entertained the notion that it is ~not~ a scam ?!!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "Ron Glantz"
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 01:35:19; trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266089 << if you 'often hear' this, you may be standing too close to the beast-who-digests-for-800-years
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265456 << this is actually how it goes. or to hear graham say it, "tech millionaires are savvy about how to make the ponzi grow."
trinque: but you can pick from one of the 8 state sanctioned personalities!
mircea_popescu: who is saving to blow up the fed.
mircea_popescu: and we want the fed to change regulations because they're getting in the way of paying our employee
mircea_popescu: what's never going to be good is hiring some inept crowd followrs. they're gay, don't you know, because they saw it on tv.
trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how you drive, for the record.
mircea_popescu: they're just numerous and don't give a fuck.
mircea_popescu: no, they are not.
asciilifeform: they are placed well.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: the real enabler is usg, of course, because not just anyone gets to harvest the chump armies.
mircea_popescu: the end of social media will come exactly like how nobody could have predicted it by reading a 2014 trilema article.
mircea_popescu: "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/#selection-3043.1-3043.123 being the controlling point there.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: "i saw this once when i was a rookie, nigger broke in and put up picture of his family everywhere. let's sprinkle some crack on him and get outta here."
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:29:28; pete_dushenski: apparently ashley madison was yet another mommy blogger/daddy investor 'make money while you sleep' scam
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:14:04; punkman: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-again
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265342 << except it's really a case of "how debian is not only stealing linux from the people who made it, but is attempting to steal their having been stolen from, too!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the dead want to eat pussy, surely.
asciilifeform: not the same as surrender.
asciilifeform: they want to rule without publicly sitting on a throne, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the quote.
mircea_popescu: he could have just accepted it then. but no, idiots gotta derp first.
mircea_popescu: This will be useful for the Bitcoin network first and foremost, because Gavin is, by and large, a mentally retarded doofus displaying a shocking amount of Dunning-Kruger syndrome in his assorted dabblings in economics and other hard fields."
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 16:12:33; pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8l11q9hsJM << “I don't think any of us—especially those five people—want to be the high priests of Bitcoin. We need to find a new way of governing—a new way of coming to decisions and have everyone be happy with the process and the decisions that are reached.”
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265316 << "Part and parcel of the present dispute is to clearly make the point that Gavin Andresen does not have the authority to enact or create a hardfork of the Bitcoin network, nor any sort of significant clout, cachet, power to influence the matter etc.
asciilifeform: other than rapemeat
mircea_popescu: they don't just blindly go to where things are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, because they'd have gone to russia instead.
asciilifeform: 'like sledding, like pulling the sled' (tm)
mircea_popescu: re the "refugee problem" : so the us has been derping about "being a regional power" and sheriffing things and places for reasons.
asciilifeform: yes, it puts out bright light, other things almost impossible to see next to it.
asciilifeform: of the human compiler variety - yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, do you know what other field pretends like "career" exists while people mostly hiring teenagers ?
asciilifeform: (it is actually script, yes, there is a word for it, aha)
kdomanski: there's shops who hire code monkeys by the kilograms and there's shops where they _almost_ engineer
mircea_popescu: mats for the same money, there's still a sense of "t bills are worth something" still in place for a lot of americans.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i work with them
mats: its an uphill battle, sure. but there's also still a sense of 'meritocracy' in place for a lot of american engineers.
asciilifeform: sure there are
mircea_popescu: about how somewhere there are real programmers for real
kdomanski: then again, I'm not from US
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:37:10; mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265876 << the interesting part is that this is OPTIONAL. for everyone. even the lowest indian programmer, DOES NOT HAVE TO derpference.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:35:43; mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos.
kdomanski: exempli gratia: if you want to make software for aircraft or tanks, you need to be playing the "career" game for decades
mircea_popescu: it takes 30 years' worth of looking at fucking probes to spot the cells.
mircea_popescu: there are fields where careers exist. you can have a career as a surgeon. oncologist diagnosticians in particular are the fathers of all careerdom,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265863 << i associate the word with the army and little else
mircea_popescu: seems the us is only now catching on to this thing.
mircea_popescu has had his fill of retarded teenagers sitting around crediting each other's socioeconomicosexual-and-otherwise wholly imagined accomplishments sometime around the age of 15.
asciilifeform: as pictured in the very relevant mircea_popescu piece, 'this is not money that anyone had to work to earn and save, it is created with a button press'
mircea_popescu: but the notion that twitter's worth money...
asciilifeform: mainly afflicting the www 'industry' & co.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:30:31; mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265852 << re: this and the entire thread: it might surprise mircea_popescu, but i have never seen this idiocy alive up close, nor know anyone who will attest to having done so; it is really a west coast / sv thing as far as i can tell.
mircea_popescu: then again, /me has never been employed.
asciilifeform: trinque: IF YOU ARE THEM
trinque: I think the bums around here all know you can get "assistance"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the last us citizen that actually took out less than what he put in died sometime in the 80s.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:29:06; mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.)
pete_dushenski: trinque: hm. https://bitbet.us/rss/new/ << this part covers the new proposals. can't say i'm fully versed in how the >1 btc bets were teased out. best ask kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: better to explain what's to be done, let people work their own script
trinque: would probably be nice to stick on the website.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I was thinking of releasing a script that you hand a doc, and it farts out the address
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that happens because THEY HAVE NO CHOICE
asciilifeform: of becoming furnace stokers and night watchmen instead of engineers, as per the su example.
trinque: pete_dushenski: is that just another RSS feed?
mircea_popescu: trinque that part's not going away. but a faq page explaining how to construct the payout address would be helpful.
asciilifeform: the contribution of nonparticipation.
trinque: deedbot- isn't currently n00b friendly at all, no. And I'll always prefer that people are in good standing in the WoT to use it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but they have no contribution in that.
asciilifeform: there is ~failing to do~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all reichs always collapse because of the reich, and the outside enemies. never was it the case "the people" did anything relevant.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic a valid point, i don't think the whole thing's properly packaged for public consumption.
asciilifeform: as per the su example
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'because the people' so much as 'because not giving a fuck'
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'll re-read the logs.
asciilifeform: but instead, the teenage idiot who wants the car, the money, ~and~ to disobey father - is the mover of civilization.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'd like to start pointing people away from proofofexistence and other incompatible nonsense and IIRC, deedbot is careful/efficient in how it stores stuff in the blockchain. If that is so, I'd like to point newbs at.. like a website or something, if it exists.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:48; mircea_popescu: people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#718931 << the spec. iirc trinque's implementation is you concat the msgs and sha512 it for a key seed.
mircea_popescu: not that rms doesn't display plenty of it. myst be something in unix that makes people go "hey, i can just ignore the classes i don't want to use right now" or somesuch.
midnightmagic: Is there somewhere I can read more about how deedbot works under the hood and where I can find its proofs and such?
mircea_popescu: there's this borderline autistic hypocrisy behaviour that somehow's really represented in my head by the oss folks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the man is insufferable in person, also
mircea_popescu: "i was an integral part of the gnu sellout, and i feel kinda bad about it so i'll just pretend i didn't do anything and hey, the communitards are too dumb to know shit from their face."
pete_dushenski: that's the 3 bitcent question
mircea_popescu: still, it's not their god damned car. and so no, not rich. merely posing with opr.
kdomanski: trinque: money allows to exert influence on people regardless of their political stance
mircea_popescu: teenaged kids with whoremongering fathers often borrow the cars those drive in an attempt to cargo-cult the whores they bang into existence. perhaps they could be embodied out of their classmates or something.
mircea_popescu: the other important point is, "whether you get to actually hold it". riches subject to riders like "you may only use this to inflate real estate bubble" aren't much yours anyway.
trinque: kdomanski: since money is political, you might consider it a compass to the extent that you agree with the prevailing politics
mircea_popescu: but i'm not getting too far with alf on this line either, so.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 12:51:20; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264466 <-- absolutely positively the case, ty. What, do you think a starfaring person would travel light years, collect protons, return home?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265166 << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it.
mircea_popescu: proving once more that the fetish of wealth is a very poor compass for one's life.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: it does get them richer than anything else they could possibly do with their lives
mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos.
mircea_popescu: the lolcows. gavin and co, and it's a shitty career in unintentional comedy at that.
mircea_popescu: seinfeld ~had~ a career. it lasted a decade, and he quit while ahead. who the fuck in software has a career ?
mircea_popescu: kdomanski the deep reason is that you folk can't eat on your own. obviously there's going to be a code of conduct : he who lives in his parents house observes the fucking rules neh .
mircea_popescu: bubble's going out and everyone's out on their ass, career or no career. this isn't showbiz, it's computer slavery.
kdomanski: the actual long-lasting damage being done here is: now they're assembling an universal code of conduct or whatever
mircea_popescu: remember the guy who got shot by a cop on a bike, because the cop had inferiority complex for not having a car so he stuck his head and torso through the ghuy's window ?
kdomanski: they did get that one fired
trinque: kdomanski: I can say I've worked at software companies that did not police humor or politics in the slightest
mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids.
mircea_popescu: im sure sometimes the bugaboo got some kids. not in this case, nor in this neighbourhood, nor you know.
mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.)
mircea_popescu: if there's actual fallout, yes.
kdomanski: thus, the guy should have know better and STFU?
mircea_popescu: the mighty may be right, or then again may well be wrong. but the weak are always and unexcusably in the wrong.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265817 and the next coupla work as a standard i'd say.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:38; assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move
kdomanski: well I'm uncertain what in your mind qualifies as "backing them (opinions) up"
mircea_popescu: science isn't a present day version of "my older brother's in the navy seals" / "we are god's chosen people" where somehow it gives you a magic golen ticket to things.
kdomanski: many politically incorrect opinions about race vs intelligence and such have scientific grounds but are nevertheless successfully persecuted
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with "actors aren'ty human" and other avatars of medieval thoughtmire.
mircea_popescu: some people progress from there, some don't, and that's it.
mircea_popescu: people aren't born with the right to like and dislike and opine and so forth. people are born "women and children", which is to say with the obligation to adapt to others likes and dislikes. we call these others "their betters".
mircea_popescu: but it's deeper, really. "your impression you may have oppinions MUST be predicated on your certainty you can in fact back them up."
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: I understand is is colorful metaphor for "if you can't take the fallout, STFU and keep your opinions to yourself"?
mircea_popescu: no "little o' tis, little o' that" on the table.
mircea_popescu: if the people you talk about may have opinions, then this doesn't affect them. if it does, then they should have gotten their head out of their ass, understood their situation as slaves and put more effort into massaging the cock of their owners more betterer.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: then again, you aren't most people
mircea_popescu has lost count of the angry mobs by now.
mircea_popescu: moreover, software "employees" should be fired. if they're any good that's the best thing that could ever happen to them, and if they suck why would anyone keep em.
davout: kdomanski: maybe in the us... but not anywhere else
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: the problem is, they actually manage to impact relevant stuff with their bullshit
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's an "airforce expert pilots" club somewhere in djbouti, made out of people who agree among themselves on djbotardit and twidji. meanwhile djbouti's only airplane is a boat.
mircea_popescu: <kdomanski> popcorn advised << nobody really gives a shit. the countless fucktards trying to parlay their "issues" and "political awareness" and so forth into actual subject matter relevancy only succeed in their own estimation.
shinohai: til you really don't need anything special to perform a DoS attack on reddit besides a script that constantly f5's the page.
kdomanski: "unless @elia is removed from the project, I cannot learn Ruby, and thus can't get a job in Ruby development"
trinque: it's still there.
davout: ugh, transgender people either have something to contribute, or they don't, like the fucking rest of us
davout: "Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing?"
trinque: davout: the whimsy, which I blame on that "Why" guy, bleh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is to be backed up, for the last time, over the next couplea days.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: the SJWs can have Ruby; it's a steaming pile of shit
kdomanski: I cound 7 occurences of the word "privilege"
trinque: kdomanski: yeah, the ruby thing? not that I don't expect this has happened many times
kdomanski: have you guys heard about the whole opensource LGBT drama where a bunch of people wanted a guy out of and OSS project 'cause he said something politically incorrect on twitter?
mircea_popescu: as jurov's not actually said anything re his theoretically present but upon examination inexistent connection or w/e it was, this leaves the problem of where to host open.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alrighty, so i won't continue it then.
pete_dushenski: "McNamara’s brilliant swindle was deliciously simple. It was based on one undeniable truth he learned from his years of owning a Buick-Pontiac-GMC dealership on Long Island: General Motors and GMAC were too incompetent and too bureaucratic to figure out that they were being scammed."
pete_dushenski: in other car news, http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/dealer-swindled-6-billion-general-motors/
pete_dushenski: "Lexus this month will begin offering a service through its Enform telematics system that will enable dealers to remotely look into a customer's check-engine light or other warning on the instrument panel. The service, Enform Service Connect, will be offered on all 2016 Lexus models" << what could possibly go wrong ? not like this'll be hacked six ways to sunday a la jeep uconnect.
trinque: I get the sense that guy could've put an eyeball in orbit if he wanted.
analmaster: i happen to the the last remaining american to chop down > 1/4 acre with an axe in 2014.
ascii_field: it's the one i learned.
analmaster: blacks commit like 50% of violent crimes in the states
analmaster: listen a white lady clinching to their purse when a black person walks by is only natrual
pete_dushenski: did he score all the goals ?
analmaster: i played soccer with a black kid at the bounce house
gribble: The operation succeeded.
analmaster: but since its labor day, your anus is going to be doing all the work
analmaster: i am now shinohai's anal master for the next 29 minutes