feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-v/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715. - Part V.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo found it btw, it was http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/ << For somereason thought you wanted an older one and there were so many that came close
mircea_popescu: if you get it ready to testing, you can either talk with BingoBoingo to install it somewhere or install it yourself, i'll testrun and definitely let you know if anything broke my flow.
mircea_popescu: but the described methodology is sound.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:54 spyked: more generally: although I've been tempted to switch to mp-wp, I'm still hoping to grow the current thetarpit code base into a minimal cl-based mp-wp-like blogotron. I'ma also put a genesis on the todo list.
billymg: to describe my overall thinking/strategy with mp-wp, i would like to 1) rip out everything not absolutely necessary for the basic functions of blogging/moderating 2) after arriving at the bare minimum, fit what's left in my head to then evaluate ways to simplify/improve/rewrite
hanbot: mircea_popescu as far as i can tell image insertion dosen't actually rely on tinymce, though there may well be a snaggletooth of it in the php scripts therein somewhere. unhelpfully enough, "i don't think so, but i wouldn't wanna swear".
mircea_popescu: however -- i do use the image inserter. and afaik that is tinymce powered. hanbot ?
mircea_popescu: billymg i also edit in the raw html.
billymg: for example, the "wysiwyg" editor, tinymce, that is packaged with wordpress. do any of the current mp-wp users use this? i personally edit in the raw-html input for posts
billymg: i think there's another order of magnitude lines of LOC that can be removed similarly, but i thought i'd check and see what features should _not_ be removed
billymg: i was finally able to get back to some mp-wp work this weekend, with the focus of ripping out unnecessary LOC. after some time getting oriented again it took a few hours to remove ~5k lines just from some "google gears" thing and various "importers" for importing posts from other platforms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely too soon. i'm not convinced that we want the flaglessness, for instance (mips buys with it , the pipeline, but do we even want pipeline)
mircea_popescu: IMO it makes no sense adopting the VM, given that apparently mips.v7 will be the republican CPU architecture on ice40. << i very much not agree ; much too soon to standardize this.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/lets-look-at-the-mechanism-of-decay/ << Trilema -- Let's look at the mechanism of decay
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo found it btw, it was http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/
mircea_popescu: ile size. this would be the mode of son-mother, and guess what, it fails in its only promise, no diversity there. so... absent in practice.)
mircea_popescu: (this also explains why son-mother so rare : there's two manners of human accuplation, type 1 as in missionary sex, where the female tries to hold on to a dominant male for child support and type 2 as in she's walking side by side holding dominant male's hand but turns her ass so cadet male can fuck her on the quiet. type 2 maintains as a behaviour because it produces diversity -- it's for instance the principal driver of pen
mircea_popescu: yes there's a biological cost to endogamy. however, there's also a biological cost to eschewing the dominant male.
mircea_popescu: father-daughter is male driven. (son-mother is very much discussed but actually rarer than pixie dust)
mircea_popescu: sister-brother fucking is, to my knowledge, just about never male-driven.
mircea_popescu: i dunno it's ever done in anger ; afaik it's a process of wholy vegetable male, where cock gets hard but eyes stay vacant. the female will mount it eventually, because the female will mount what she has available.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema excavations, http://trilema.com/2010/rottencom/ << anyone remember the item ? sorta early www bbs
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of this exogenous porn. the whole trope of "blacks supremacy porn" is ~entirely white male interest item. no depiction of a female elf in a classic mmorpg was made to appeal to females. and so following.
mircea_popescu: considering there's more kids in india trying to get / having recently gotten into us colleges than there's kids in the us jacking off, one could readily explain pornhub elements on this cultural driver.
mircea_popescu: anyway, BingoBoingo 's theory can also be constructed into a third possible explanation : VHS america for a new generation, "they're so loose there, so '''freee''', sons even fuck their mothers!!!" thinks 19yo chowdry rasmadumberthanrockes while wanking it in glee.
mircea_popescu: (the important thing the amateur freudian is to keep in mind is that the "universal" quality pretended to the framework is not universal at all -- but very speciffic to the time and place, the setting, tired imperial vienna. in different conditions -- same breakage can take different forms)
mircea_popescu: i expect they'll succeed after the potheads and before the pedos, ~same chances as the dog-and-pony fuckers.
mircea_popescu: Mocky the only problem i see is that if this were true, it'd be the sisters, not the mothers. and there's actually an "unknown" (because pantsuit media ignores, so that matters, hurr) interest group pushing for raising the legal ban on this. they even have a whole rational argument, "since anticonceptionals..."
mircea_popescu: for lulz : i suppose everyone is aware that the word cretin is the byproduct of euphemism threadmill, dood was trying to introduce the word "christian" ("cretien") to discuss the deeply retarded inhabitants of small isolated villages up in the alps.
mircea_popescu: sounds more like laziness driven, but i guess this is also a perfectly workable scheme (and, anthropologically, the actual driver of actual incest in the sort of isolated communities where it happens, ozarks, switzerland & co.)
Mocky: mircea_popescu: seems to me that 1. the incest porn is anxiety fueled because 2. he is surounded by chix he'll never approach and he know's he never will 3. the fanasy porn where mom / sister seduces ~him~ lets him imagine getting laid without the burden of trying to be an agent
mircea_popescu: the one i had in mind specifically discusses the matter from the perspective of pantsuit attacking traditional system, by expanding the franchise thus lowering the average quality of the participant thus undermining the defensible functioning of traditional institutions.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do you happen to remember which trilema article explains the pantsuit attack on functioning systems, "1. expand franchise to include morons" ? << http://trilema.com/2018/incursion-in-classical-pantsuit-discourse/#selection-181.0-201.0
mircea_popescu: so far, the theory here articulates "1. the incest porn can't be odepian-fueled because 2. the only possible perception of his own mother is as a lesser teenage goat which 3. he can't be bothered with the better ones, why the fuck would he be interested in the lesser ones not to mention 4. if he actually was in the slightest interested, us suburban life would likely consist of the boys gangbanging the wives after schoo, "thur
Mocky: i'm generalizing from people i have met, and how they would shit themselves before walking up to a girl.
mircea_popescu: the devil himself knows not the mind of man, yet mocky can tell by some pixels ? WHAT PIXELS!!! is all i'm trying to get out of you, show me 'em.
Mocky: no, i agree it won't be worth putting it down. but it's not like they are fed up with chix and are now like, 'might as well porn.' they never had the chix and fantasize of the real thing
mircea_popescu: and don't fucking tell me that "but oh mp, among the vast fields of females under 25, there's a few parts per million for everyone!! you find yours, they find theirs" bs. i take ~anything that moves.
mircea_popescu: consider that my productivity is measured in the parts per MILLION, and these millions are already EXTREMELY heavily selected for unelective properties, and then think of the sophisitcation of the machinery working that conversion rate. you think joe-from-suburbia can match any of this ? how.
mircea_popescu: whatever rando teen can encounter on his own horsepower is not only not worth putting down the fap-pad, but is SO SHOCKINGLY BELOW that standard it overwhelms his (admittedly limited) mathematical powers. it's strictly irrepresentably bad.
mircea_popescu: this 1990s-era theory whereby "the poor onanist, missing out on cheese for chewing the rinds" was, perhaps, defensible then.
mircea_popescu: what'd the boy get, if he put down the fap-pad and talked to little miss sunshine two doors down ? less satisfying sex than his own hand can provide and mortgage payments, what else ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps there's a reason for the latter ? you want to propose people chew concrete, you gotta come up with ~SOME~ theory as to why it'd be good.
mircea_popescu: this is like asking me "how can there be a difference between chewing risotto and chewing concrete -- i never could bring myself to try chewing concrete"
Mocky: how can there be a difference for fap bois getting 'satisfaction' from porn, and the statisfaction from something which they can't bring themselves to do, ever?
mircea_popescu: ie, that exemplary boy would not be bothered to fuck his mother even if she were right there spreading an' begging for it (something we suspect her just about desperate enough to actually do, by now), on account of the much more interesting happenings on the screen. in which case, it's strictly impossible an oedipian complex is driving him.
mircea_popescu: 1. admitting there is such a thing as a "boy unable to talk to girls", 2. you are stuck admitting that this same boy can nevertheless look at any piece of ass he wants, as proven by the social media event known as "the fappening", 3. in which case you are left to somehow introduce a putative difference of satisfaction, between doing just that and talking to girls -- 4. because i tell you i don't see it.
mircea_popescu is of the belief that http://trilema.com/2014/ken-park/ is period-accurate ethnological notation as to family life and sexual mores in just-about-to-disappear america.
Mocky: sure but what's porn got to do with what contemporary mother will actually do?
mircea_popescu: (not that it's the only avenue, either. plenty available -- for one thing, contemporary mother will probably very much put out, even if maybe not for her own son, for amanda's two streets down. they could have the old airman's wife club, if they cared to. they do not care to.)
mircea_popescu: i don't know that it supports it ; i believe it entirely sinks any possibility of the alternative you present holding though.
Mocky: mircea_popescu: how does that idea support the daddy worship view?
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> it goes well, getting my blog moved over to mp-wp. finding a 2.7 compatible theme << The default chops up rather nicely
mircea_popescu: n other networks, and so fucxking following)
mircea_popescu: those boys who "can't talk to girls" could talk to girls just fine -- but they don't perceive it pays. correctly, because it doesn't. (much like the ~same boys come here refuse to talk to the outside, because they naively extend what worked for them irl -- except here, it doesn't, there's not gonna be a pizarro withou talking to the scary outside, nor is there gonna be a "trilema irc" other than by people federating servers i
mircea_popescu: it is, of course. da fuck does the kid care.
mircea_popescu: compete. which is why the plaintive whine of the fappened girls was that "they have to take naked pics, like it or not, it's the minimal bar to compete on the sexual market".
mircea_popescu: what exactly do you imagine is the difference of satisfaction between "boy unable to talk to girls" who gets to see any priss' naked ass whenever he can summon the interest looking at such ass and talking to a girl ? what, that he can make mortgage and alimony payments in the latter case ? let's not get ridiculous, porn thoroughly resolved any sexual interest of the young male, and much better than reality could ever hope to
mircea_popescu: Mocky i do not credit that theory.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-17#1902994 << I thought incest porn consisted mostly of boys unable to talk to girls fantasizing about fucking anything already stuck in the same house
Mocky: it goes well, getting my blog moved over to mp-wp. finding a 2.7 compatible theme
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to remember which trilema article explains the pantsuit attack on functioning systems, "1. expand franchise to include morons" ?
BingoBoingo: he HAD a firmer grip on the space than Erik did
mircea_popescu: he's telling me what "the thing about whores is". and it sounds just like the thing about girlfriends, the oneofwhich is away "at school".
BingoBoingo: Was back when Dooglus had taken over the gambling space with one of the few Honest forum investments
mircea_popescu: "KLYE: Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able. Hard to get them over (let alone all of them in one room) and an absolute bastard to get them to leave once they are here.. :P"
mircea_popescu: (douchebag there splattered STILL hasn't gotten over the simple fact that no, ~he~'s not good enough lels)
mircea_popescu: there's really not so much possibility of independent thought outside. manalone ain't got what it takes to compete.
BingoBoingo read NZ "ecofascist" thing last night. Very light reading. Other than the clash of cultures butthurt dude very much profiles as a Pantsuitist.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's this very strong "send us your fat, your old, your ugly women [with divorce settlements" blowqing all over arab lands, for 3decade+ by now.
BingoBoingo: The intense decoupling of ideas and reality opens up a lot of weirdspace
mircea_popescu: matches well that group of "transsexuals" who evidently enough are so preoccupied with cunt, they just want one of their own. about as "transsexual" as the compulsive gambler who buys himself a slot machine for his "den" is "transeconomic",
BingoBoingo: Could also be the Indian kids watching because they suspect an old blonde is easier to imagine themselves bagging.
BingoBoingo: Or the alienation angle. They want to REALLY by loved by a loving mom, and not have that cold bitch keeping them down
BingoBoingo: Maybe they don't understand what the fuck fucking is, and "just want to" really love mom?
BingoBoingo: Or a way of coping with daddy leaving by trying to be just as good without having the good sense to leave
mircea_popescu: i can't conceptualize pure oedipian complex of raw-raw-ima-fuck-ma without the other trappings. soft, female-emulating kids are NOT oedipian, because can not be.
mircea_popescu: or the psychological tension produced in their head by "please daddy, stay, i'll even suck your cock!!!" vs "what, are you a faggot ?!" gets them to scapegoat the evil dumb bitch whose whole fault he left it is in the first place.
BingoBoingo: Weak evidence, but apparently the people compiling the searches like mommy more than they like being daddy
BingoBoingo: Well It's first page results, the promoted stuff. Dunno there's a methodologically sound way to investigate an SV trap
mircea_popescu: ke it better than chocolate ? maybe they just think chocolate icecream fattens, so they DO NOT ORDER IT for that reason -- but also can't do w/o icecream, so... vanilla itis.)
mircea_popescu: in ordine sparso : you have no good reason to suspect the search works (and plenty of reason to suspect it does not) ; you have no good reason to suspect objects returned have any countable relation to anything (for all you know "12 clones of the same 1 momstory") ; and you have no reason to suspect the mental process discussed would produce countable objects (is a herd of dependopotami ordering vanilla icecream proof they li
mircea_popescu: i dunno that this is methodologically sound. so you've counted... online instances of statement of something on the basis of a serarch ?
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/SoP89 << The evidence (note "incest" returns no results. They term they respond to is "fauxcest")
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/febOU#selection-149.0-155.207 is precisely the example i was looking for in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900631
BingoBoingo: Of course the reasonable explanation is that incest porn's likely popular because of the mommy centric lives of the masses
BingoBoingo: Found in the wild: http://archive.is/KZuJL#selection-1943.83-1943.229 "Someone from PornHub said that they were sick of the accusations that incest porn was a Jewish plot and also the owners of PornHub weren’t Jewish."
mircea_popescu: bvt http://archive.is/febOU#selection-89.0-89.194 << are these people still active or is it basically ozymandias over there ?
mircea_popescu: "We wonder, and some Hunter may express wonder like ours, when through wilderness where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace he meets some fragment, huge, and there stops to guess. What powerful but unrecorded race once dwelt in that annihilated place ?"
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in thermometers: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Vazquez-saludo-el-aniversario-de-un-Batallon-de-Infanteria-y-nadie-aplaudio-su-discurso-uc712863
asciilifeform ate the quite compact log, back to writing room
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema is back to where comment section > article. only took a few years (though, tbh, i did kinda miss it).
mircea_popescu: not really been following the comments discussion huh.
mircea_popescu: did you get any of the networks to take your box ?
mod6: Update here: Got the irc server built with the proper nick/topic lengths, also ratbox-services configured with the same. Finally got the ratbox-services to connect successfully to the server, but I'm still doing minor config changes there.
BingoBoingo: Great moments in Trilema comment history http://trilema.com/2013/the-anatomy-of-a-scam/#comment-94243
mircea_popescu: trinque http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/ do anything for you ?
BingoBoingo: I remember being 3 or 4 in the grocery store produce section and being struck with the awareness that my awareness is stuck in my head alone. That I couldn't bounce my awareness from head to head. There were some very Bush I era fat people and I very much wanted to will them stop eating for a few months.
trinque: whoever said it first, the hypothesis rings true, that consciousness is an arrangement of language in the skull which is by no means human birthright.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm curious whether you're aware of Julian Jaynes. I'm not in a position to assign credit for who first said self-aware consciousness might not come naturally to humans, absent learning it from a parent at a critical age.
mircea_popescu: made slightly mroe interesting by it having been written before rather than after linus went dumb.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902942 -> still digesting it, thank you; I started answering here and realised it should probably better go in the comments section so it'll go there.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-31 06:24 asciilifeform: i always use the term 'calmed down' for these people. starting from having played 'half life', where there is a scene of an einsteinesque white coated figure who gets an alien 'headcrab' jump on his head. it takes roots, he struggles for a while, then 'calms down' and ambles on as zombie.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'The first in San Francisco was co-hosted by CDC member Adam O’Donnell, an entrepreneur and a security engineer at Cisco Systems, and Alex Stamos, then the chief security officer at Facebook ... Chris Wysopal, a L0pht veteran who founded tech company Veracode ... Seattle fundraiser for the Senate race ... ' etc
asciilifeform: that one afaik 100% 'defeated self', ~100% of the 'graduates' turned into yarvins of 1 kind or another
mircea_popescu: keks, empire still hard at work secreting imaginary effigies of the republic to "defeat" ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other 'graduates' of same derpublic : yarvin
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking thing was whether they get to follow the other sheep down the precipice or have to sit in the rancho.
mircea_popescu: in other obscura : meanwhile i located the clou of the issue. in april 1960, at cluj, gh gh dej stated the party recognizes the right of writers to express themselves "în limbajul epocii noastre" ("in the language of our times"). WHOLE fucking dispute is EXACTLY over whether the ro pantsuits get to the-dreamers or don't get to the-dreamers ; and protestations of unawareness and "vhs america" are suddewnly extrehehehehemely w
mircea_popescu: it looks like <feedbot> http://trilema.com/2019/so-why-cant-they-be-trained/#comment-128333 << Comments for Trilema -- Comment on So why can't they be trained ? by Stanislav Datskovskiy
mircea_popescu always answers comments (so will refrain from pointing this out on case by case basis) as well as sees new comments via feedbot rss (so there';s nothing gained by pointing one out to him)
asciilifeform could not resist to bite , http://trilema.com/2019/so-why-cant-they-be-trained/#comment-128333
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-why-cant-they-be-trained/ << Trilema -- So why can't they be trained ?
BingoBoingo: Policeman White see fellow on Nazi watchlist "I've killed those fuckers in xBawks game", Policeman Brown sees fellow on Obama is an animal watchlist "I ought to buy the man a beer and compare notes"
BingoBoingo: Well someone who wants a reich is easy to put on a USG.lolcow watchlist. Someone who identifies Obama as an animal risks getting sympathy from the folks employed reading USG watchlists.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902910 << bahahahaha. and pretty sure this is recent (relatively), usedtobe all sortsa folx had 4th, 5th, reiches, in there
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 13:20 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902744 -> I never understood why can't the new ones be *trained* ; esp since it's not like they are sososo busy that they can't use the time and learn something at work.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902841 << because their mental eh what the hell, ima write an article.
mircea_popescu: and this before we even discuss capacity factors (high drop like there necessarily has low capacity factors, low drop like here the opposite)
mircea_popescu: (at the time this was completed, early 70s, it was pretty much the largest hydro plant in the world). hoover dam, for instance, had <2MW installed capacity, vs the >2MW here.
mircea_popescu: it is down so much, overal productivity is nevertheless 10% lower.
mircea_popescu: whence the difference ? they're halves, aren't they ? here's the lulz : romania bought newer, nominally more efficient generating equipment.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, since hydro was mentioned yest : one of the largest hydro development in europe is the "iron gates" complex, partnership between romania and serbia, taking advantage of danube.
BingoBoingo: In the limited time I do remember it exists, I simply try to drive up crime and weapon ownership per capita
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo my interest didn't survive the hour. turns out it's yet another by-morons for-morons thingee.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> https://www.nationstates.net/nation=al-khadhulu << in other keks. << For a lawless wasteland they aren't even all that well armed https://www.nationstates.net/nation=bingotonia
mircea_popescu: speakinbg of which, anyone remember the set of "anti-bitcoin" tards grouped around usg.pantsuit office over at "something awful" going about talking of "bit-coin" as fucking if that did something ?
mircea_popescu: imagine these fucktards! i can't call my imaginary nation's imaginary animal the same as that other imaginary nation's equally imaginary animal!
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asciilifeform: ( moar spoilers : the other added item, other than 'registers' (discussed previously) is 'verdict'. all tapes produce a verdict, it is returned to calling process under unixlikes )
asciilifeform: to use ,/; as 'goto' is stylistically prohibited, if tape leaves control stack nonempty at the end of the life, operator gets a warning.
asciilifeform: the applicable traditional mathematical model for peh is 'turing with finite tapes'(tm)
asciilifeform: controlstack is over- and under-flow proof , similarly to the data stack from ch4-16.
asciilifeform: btw , crib sheet for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902386 -- ':' puts current position on control stack; ',' pops a fz from datastack , a tape pos from controlstack, and if the fz was nonzero, control is transferred to the popped pos. ';' simply pops the next pos from controlstack.
asciilifeform: anyway if neither mircea_popescu nor anyone else files an objection today, it'll be 256 ( at least for the next few chapters ) .
asciilifeform: ( for n00bs/readers -- ffa has fully deterministic memory footprint, by design, and 100% of what it'll use, lives on the stack, e.g. under unixlikes, setbrk() is not invoked )
asciilifeform: at one time i was considering to make it adjustable on cmdline, but already have 4 params the user must give ( fz bitness, datastack height, max 'life' , and tapespace len ) and that's already much, calculating exact footprint for given invocation already requires thought
asciilifeform: recursion is incidentally prohibited, so there aint much point imho in gigantic controlstack
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think 256 is perfectly defensible. should be obvious what knob to twiddle for less or more anyway, admitting either one's trying to make ffa fit into tiny embed or use it for who knows what unforeseen purpose on large machines.
asciilifeform: ( ffa does not deal directly in octets , the smallest access to storage is in unit of bus width. hence endianism-free )
asciilifeform: would like to discuss before i sign the ch
asciilifeform: i'd like to request 5min of mircea_popescu wearing papal regalia . ch17 ffa , as perhaps was clear from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902386 , has a control-transfer stack ( for loops & subroutines . ) it, like errything else, is nonheapistic, therefore has a fixed size. currently set to 256. this constant gotta be nailed down. is 256 enuff? too small? too big ?
mircea_popescu: the west states << obv i mean east states, penn, ny, mass & co
mircea_popescu: who's to say it wouldn't have been better, tbh. note how the "equal to capitol" german colony they ended up ~is very much reverting~. they got the matriarchy back, they got the stupid-lazy-itsok back, hard to distinguish today's "american" from yesterday's cherokee.
mircea_popescu: aha. and french period mags for kids are fulla "indian-sympathy" pieces (the french had a very unique take to the gibbering nations among colonial powers, they wanted to make america a sorta africa, "continue traditions undisturbed")
mircea_popescu: this said, the french (and somewhat italian, hence all their lolwesterns) 50s/60s "wild west" fixation did in fact produce an abstract (and not much related to any reality) euro-cowboy, sure.
mircea_popescu: in ~this sense~ us cowboy started wearing ~a little~ denim as the west states textile industry developped. originally it was miner garb. then it was extended to make tent sheet for army. THEN it was taken by cowboy to replace the much more expensive LEATHER the spanish were wearing.
mircea_popescu: re the "cowboy stuff" : all the us "wild west" stuff is a cheap and quick daghuerotype after spanish traditions of the time. this is visible if one studies say the horse working (this is a term of art) as practiced in spanish-speaking lands comparatively to english-speaking lands. everything is visibly a model to scale, and to this day the cultural overwhelm of spanish lands in all fields related is overwhelming.
mircea_popescu: fuck, the exact process is visible both among a subset of trilema commenters during the romanian years and superset of other-romanian-bloggers, then as now.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 09:56 spyked: diana_coman, I suspect this was mostly a case of "revision is well-received, but don't change anything"; which is why iliescu/fsn had so much support and average derp saw the taranisti as "way too mean" (no idea precisely what "mean" means, that's what I've been told)
diana_coman: linking it back up, the breakup of the cosy place for the clever idler was I suspect precisely what they meant by "mean" in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902449
mircea_popescu: the important part, to my eyes, is to underscore that the "being clever" was NOT, as the "clever" in question silently ie implicitly misrepresent, a case of "choice", ie, "seeing how little i get paid i react thusly". the "clever" in question was very much what such "clever" ever is : "seeing what a fucktard i am, this is what i could pretend is '''really''' going on to not have to confront it".
mircea_popescu: well, not you, lol. just tryina put the implicit explicitly for the innocent reader.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, note that I worded it precisely in *that* order, starting with "noi ne" . I don't know what/who you are arguing there, lol.
mircea_popescu: so no, it's not "ei se X, noi ne Y". it's very much the other way around : noi ne Z (=ne cacam pe noi), ei fac ce pot sa se prefaca ca de fapt nu.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, instead of saying "the party is ~exactly truthful~ in what we ~falsely~ call propaganda, and we are making here WAY the fuck more than we could anywhere else, and without it we'd be exactly like zaire", they came up with bs.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, no argument there, lol.
mircea_popescu: this tendency perpetuated past the shooting, and is visible in eg http://trilema.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/#selection-35.0-47.232
mircea_popescu: in ACTUAL FACT, romanian worker of the 80s got ~120% the value of his labour, by an over-welfarist government, wrote himself hallucinated options to consider this "insufficient" to an entirely ridiculous standard, and proceeded from there with a web of lies.
mircea_popescu: this "i could do work ~if i wanted to~" is the unconvincing bullshit spewing quite naturally out of any inept narcissist since before the invention of the word.
diana_coman: ftr in my experience it's not only a lack of practical experience but literally, they have no real idea re what they are supposedly selling, it's all the same to them, what.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:31 mircea_popescu: i have doubts it'll survive the passing of the current generation, the girlies in the shop are utterly confused at proceedings that seem only natural to her and me, but what can you do.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902744 -> I never understood why can't the new ones be *trained* ; esp since it's not like they are sososo busy that they can't use the time and learn something at work.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner; and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness; how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:00 mircea_popescu: yes, romanians thought "theyt're working". they were playing, 9 cases out of 10.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902641 -> "noi ne facem ca muncim, ei se fac ca ne platesc" (we pretend we work, they pretend they pay us); so I'd say it was more the case that there were a few actually working and all the rest being clever; just like now in a different socialism.
mircea_popescu: was it the prolegomene ? no such wonder there. was it then the kritik, ~only book anyone can even name anyway ? mnope. WHAT COULD IT BE!!!
mircea_popescu: plete annihilation of all these fanciful achievements could not possibly be as harmful as this fictitious science with its accursed fertility.") and have them source teh original german.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's installment of "how to fuck over internet scholars" : take the chunk popper attributes to kant ("I do not wish to hide the fact that I can only look with repugnance . . upon the puffed-up pretentiousness of all these volumes filled with wisdom, such as are fashionable nowadays. For I am fully satisfied that . . the accepted methods must endlessly increase these follies and blunders, and that even the com
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 23:42 mircea_popescu: ault. this is what the mass-romanian is and does, nobody is needed to "do it to him", much like nobody's needed to drag shit into lelea saveta's cunt. she does it, by herself, every time she wipes.
mircea_popescu shall finally offer http://trilema.com/2011/mircea-eliade/#selection-43.0-43.498 to round off the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902603 lulz.
mircea_popescu: auburndale << auburndale, queens, for the record.
asciilifeform bbl, ffaisms then bed
asciilifeform: 'but then what for!!'
mircea_popescu: in any case, the one thing contemporary tard is trained for, is to NOT make decisions and NOT decide investments.
asciilifeform: odd, for a chix, they're supposed to have good nose
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> somehow, have working taste buds, or seem to << The Peruana is much better at composing flavors into food than I am, but... her sense of smell just might be weaker than mine
BingoBoingo: There's a worse cut here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those were the better cut.
mircea_popescu: bout same. there's no substantial difference, catholics.
asciilifeform: moar than the ameri-sads ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're trained from childhood to atrophy own sense.
BingoBoingo: I don't think you've seen the crap Latinos eat when left to own devices
mircea_popescu: (and speaking of "luxury", romania's ex-minister woman that the hubbub was about recently, "Rumanas vivían entre lujos" lived in a pretty shitty apt in rohrmoser, which is a sort of... auburndale, i guess ?
asciilifeform: that really imho oughta do the trick
BingoBoingo: So, how is orc supposed to investigate Miama when they have at most two weeks?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he took iirc the 2 mo., as incidentally described by the 'ru argentina' d00d i linked to last mo. he wrote that ~100% of ru expats go from 'i want to be buried in recoleta' to 'burn it all' in ~2mo.
asciilifeform: so ok, they go to lolmart. and 'dazzled by variety'. but then at some point they gotta buy the 'food' and try put in mouth
asciilifeform: 1 enigma in asciilifeform's head : how the fuck does ~1~ trip to miamimecca not cure
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute there's the occasional tico with some dough. but i'm pretty sure they're saving it up and hitting the disneyworlkd mcdonalds.
asciilifeform: most of what i know re the other non-aboriginal folx in cr , comes from mircea_popescu's casino piece
asciilifeform: then i got nuffin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still said hi to evident top ticket items in the street.
mircea_popescu: but judging from the sorry state of bars / strip clubs / nightlife in general, i do not believe so.
asciilifeform: lol i wasn't thinking in the 'fuck sisters' vein but 'import own chix'. ( as iirc mircea_popescu wrote about doing in ro, 'locals unfuckable' or how went the piece )
mircea_popescu: human reproduction is precisely the ONE non closed-cycle. even "self-sufficient" rome invited the occasional sabine over for drinks
asciilifeform: maybe they run 'closed cycle'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if they are, they're well hidden. let alone i never ran into one -- wouldn't you expect they'd proposition one of my cunts at some point ?
mircea_popescu: i never saw anyone else there, besides as i said, 40yo middle class wife buying a present or else a ranchero dood (looking just like maduro, most of the time in canadian workshirt and jeans) buying "occasion"
asciilifeform: i thought there were at least a coupla platoons' worth of mircea_popescus in mircea_popescustan
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu single-handedly feeds the tailor tho, situation moar dire than i thought
mircea_popescu: anyway, all this is a great advantage to me (while the fuel lasts, i guess). i'm always the only one in the shop, everyone's always got all the time in the world, "we love to serve", the taylor doesn't even need to measure me because ~he remembers~.
asciilifeform: ( y'know, ~that~ hat, the 'bolix' hat, from old mircea_popescu piece , 'last loom broke' )
mircea_popescu: so, they end up buying plastic pret a porter sacks for whatever they wanna spend, and me an' my remnant friend can discuss sartreria.
asciilifeform: they'll pay the 5k for sticker yes. and then 50k for plastic bmw to sit in while drink.
mircea_popescu: ie, there's a whole lotta aspirational buying and scant else besides.
asciilifeform: picture e.g. cat who prefers that dried liquishit the ameritards feed the poor animals, to tuna
mircea_popescu: that's not even it. whole bunch of tards, "oh, this bottle of champagne is great, $5000". as a factual matter no bottle of fizzy is genuinely worth that much. not anything you'd drink, anyway. what';s worse, if i pour that and random bottom shelf stuff they couldn't tell them apart. half the time can't tell bicarb fizz apart.
asciilifeform: that's the thing you can't buy on 'market' -- sumthing resembling taste. ameri-food seems like a deal to folx who have nfi what even edible means
mircea_popescu: what do the idiots know.
asciilifeform: apparently the miami's working
mircea_popescu: i hope she gets to die with it ; honestly other than me the only other customers are pretentious middle aged women buying 20 bux worth of presents with credit cards and the occasional ranchero getting a funeral suit or w/e.
mircea_popescu: i have doubts it'll survive the passing of the current generation, the girlies in the shop are utterly confused at proceedings that seem only natural to her and me, but what can you do.
mircea_popescu: nah, old networks survive here. egyptian cotton still exists, peruvian cotton still exists, there's a lot going on in the real world, ie, outside us concentration camp.
asciilifeform: afaik aint no way to fool the lit match litmus.
mircea_popescu: somehow, however, this isn't "acoso callejero". dudes poking them to "hey, my dick's here", that never happens. confusion reigns.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they do this weird thing where they poke (literally, with finger) girl walking by me to get her attention then "omg your purse is open!!!". fucking weird as all hell.
mircea_popescu: or the brick better.
mircea_popescu: but no, i dun own any jeans. actually, hit up the local specialist in gentleman items (run by this very nice old lady, whom, when she dies, that is IT for dressing in costa rica). two suits, four extra pairs of pants, four shirts, a tie, a dozen socks and a pair of pijamas. all natural fiber, look fetching on me too. took like a fucking hour, and a brick of cash, but honestly i can't think of a way i could have spent the hour
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'femherd pester', iirc you had a piece where 'see, like chicken, they gotta send SYN, get ACK, coo-coo, how else to know that fox hasn't yet eaten'
asciilifeform: the bois will buy even less tangible brooklyn bridges, e.g. maffs phd
mircea_popescu: (indistinctly, same applies to teh bois. in fact, they have it worse, lotta difficulty involved in securing a cunt you know is there but can't even see)
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's some kind of psychological comfort somewhere. the same kind of femherd cowsies keep pestering my slaves about how "they gotta get jeans" as pester them about "omg your purse is open"
asciilifeform: i dun even know if the chix 'want to feel like miner', i suspect the higher nervous system aint even involved in the sense where they 'want' anyffin but to look-like-neighbour
asciilifeform: q is re the 'feeling like a trader'(tm)(r)(ballas) simulacrum
mircea_popescu: there's this "stealing nose" kiddy interaction trope from the period, adults pretending to steal kids' noses.
asciilifeform: the beads -- were hollow.