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cazalla: gets the empty toilet paper roll and goes around the skirting boards pretending to vacuum too
cazalla: yeah that's interesting eh, my son even copies the way i walk, gets behind me and tries to time the footsteps and all
diana_coman: and they do nothing else than watch; intently
trinque: the kid just got here; what does he know?
trinque: I think it's perfectly normal for the desires of the kid and parent to be completely at odds
diana_coman: at one point I got him to another room, told him to call me when he's done with it
trinque: and not as if this was all the time; I didn't like it, you see :P
diana_coman: there, trinque has it
trinque got a kick in the ass, and a conversation with a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me
diana_coman: so war face then, lol
diana_coman: if he likes honey, then I'd say so, yes
cazalla: and i've made the war face and had staring competition with the kid when having a tantrum, he doesn't budge so quickly
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:17:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272753 << so why should they survive then ?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273277 <<< i don't care if they do survive or not (beyond my own kid of course)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272786 << you're not really fat if you wear really tight clothes, and you're not reallty stupid if you never cease yakking. it's the new logic!
mircea_popescu: expecting "the citizenry" to "rebel" and "fix the politics" is not unlike expecting the bearing balls in your busted wheel to rebel and fix your planetary.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 21:04:22; cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272772 << it's very funny to me that all sorts of social media derps take total umbrage to my stating things like "your sexual parts are collectively owned by the otyher gender", but then the community-ownership oif the product thereof is fairly uncontroversial. this is best proof if one needs proof that no, people don't do anything because.
trinque: if they're wired for anything else how not that?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:47:22; cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272753 << so why should they survive then ?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:45:19; trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain
mircea_popescu: it was brutal, the last 20 or 40 or so
trinque will have to load the thing up in dosbox one day and finally defeat it
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:28:52; danielpbarron: level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways
mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.
mircea_popescu: official ideology is "belong to the people"
mircea_popescu: the secret police broke a dozen display windows down on the main street. that was most of it.
mircea_popescu: not in the sense you imagine.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that picture i had of the FOOTBALL FANS packed quietly and safely 10x in the stadium cca 80s
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:58:20; nubbins`: mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272650 << mp can relate no such tales. nor can the people that went through the us warcrimes in yugoslavia.
mircea_popescu: "people" don't do anything for any other reason than because "that's what's done".
thestringpuller: lol. or how black people responded to the Rodney King verdict (or the cops who beat him)
mircea_popescu: which is why the french strike every week and japanese never did. what treatment ?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:57:55; nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government
mircea_popescu: the people who immigrated into the us ~back when the us was a shithole~ made it great. the people who immigrated after it was great made it a shithole again.
mircea_popescu: they didn't go to fucking vienna.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:58; trinque: europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees.
mircea_popescu: anyway, 500k pakis in the uk over 20 years produced rotterham, 5mn pakis in eu over 20 weeks will produce...
trinque: I am the only guy in this apartment block that makes eye contact and says hello.
mircea_popescu: no. cuz white idiots are too fucking weird to even look at each other
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose the mexicans rule texas ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: as the concept of the WoT sunk in it occurred to me that we have very weak social connections here in american meatspace too
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:18; shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few.
mircea_popescu: i am genuinely expecting to see white teens on the open market in the sub-btc range as a result of all this, which is all the better.
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mircea_popescu: the russian mob took over with 1/100 that manpower.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:46:50; trinque: the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272628 << especially seeing how the 80mn country is made of white people, with very soft connections, and the 1mn is made of middle easteners, with the habit of strong connections.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her!
thestringpuller: whatever happened to that Julia Tourianski chick that was in the channel way back when
mircea_popescu: why is #20 making rules for the rest ?
anton_osika: But I'm not giving up just yet. As the real antonosika wherever he is does deserve his payment...
nubbins`: suppose there's 20 people trying to cross a river. 19 of them can't swim, the 20th is an olympic gold medallist and can lift 5x his own body weight, while swimming.
anton_osika: Thanks for the chat anyhow gentlemen.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "germany" in the sense of "not them", not germany in the sense of, "everyone in this perimeter".
nubbins`: trinque germany's the big economic powerhouse, yes?
mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?
nubbins`: i'm saying they'd be fucking idiots to (a) stay (b) go to tanzania
trinque: I don't have argument with that, only the idiocy of germany accepting
trinque: so you're just saying "why wouldn't they go to germany" ?
trinque: this presumption that anywhere else must take them comes from what?
trinque: not the point at all
trinque: what are they going to do to anyone else's?
nubbins`: no, the syrian intellectuals are hanging out here: http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/files/2013/06/syria-top.jpg
mircea_popescu: i doubt it, they'd have emigrated to maryland.
mircea_popescu: wait, the refugees are also intellectuals ?
mircea_popescu: you can just be your fucktarded tribal shithead self, and will be ok.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's no bacalaureat anymore. and you don't need to know three languages. and so on.
mircea_popescu: what, these immigrants were born with a cow milking interdiciton ?
mircea_popescu: this is essentially the alf argument. "i can't do anything by myself"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so you can't take the family and go to tanzania. because why ?
anton_osika: I'm trying to make the system less reliant on one single part of failure, but I see I have failed.
mircea_popescu: the point of this entire thing is to make existence painful and difficult. not to continue the convenience of consumers.
nubbins`: they have jackets tho.
nubbins`: twodogs is too cold for the sudanese who live here
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not for them, too cold.
nubbins`: there's space in canada's north
nubbins`: mircea_popescu since when is "space" the primary consideration?
anton_osika: The meaning of GPG contracts are being defined as we speak, as of those being honoured and those who are not, and I think you might agree that it is a better contract if it can - as any other contract between to individuals - be honoured in good faith aka. when fulfilled beyond reasonable doubt.
mircea_popescu: the monkey quality.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but the important point remains : there IS SPACE for you here. and you dun wanna go here, you wanna go there. where you most pointedly don't belong, you want to go.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu do you suppose they'd still be holding the sign if tanzania was a first-world country that also happened to carpet bomb syria?
thestringpuller: cazalla: Seems all of the BIPers (Gavin Hearn Garzik et. al), talked about this.
mircea_popescu: so the solar flare isn't a problem to it.
mircea_popescu: however, this place is predicated on the converse : everyone MUST NOT make it.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika the main intellectual pivot here is the notion that "everyone must make it". this is what informs your "what if there's a solar flare" thing.
anton_osika: So I would say that a payment - if I deliver some sort of verification - would strengthen the credibility of MP. As well as bitcoin-assets as a whole.
mircea_popescu: how come they're on the kind of fire that can be put out by welfare checks and tightly packed stupiud white cunts,
cazalla: thestringpuller, yes they did but i thought the garzik slides are from the scaling bitcoin conference (ran the day after or something)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu well ya know. if i'm on fire, i'm heading for the water, not the gas station
mircea_popescu: anton_osika selection events are selection events. when the waters go out you see who had been swimming naked.
anton_osika: Say we are hit by a 1859 solar EMP or the like.
mircea_popescu: somehow they had a very clear vector loaded.
thestringpuller: cazalla: didn't coindesk put on the consensus conference?
anton_osika: My case is however that acting in from the perspective of probable doubt is good for the robustness of bitcoin-assets.
nubbins`: not sure that's the PM and minister of foreign affairs in picture
anton_osika: I understand those before me who weep - when there is ambigouity in settlements that they would need their non-negro identities with.
thestringpuller: from the Coindesk conference. wtf
thestringpuller: Started reading some of the slides
trinque: anton_osika: or should I still be drinking over the not-millions I made from that not-company
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you certainly can't because it being an equity thing, it impacts the patrimony of unknown shareholders.
mircea_popescu: no key = 1760 negro. not only no rights, but no human identity at all. st peter doesn't even keep track of yotur sins. you're like the beasts of the plains.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika really, figure out how to keep a safe key. it's not that hard, and it IS the only actual underpinning of humanity these days.
mircea_popescu: (ie, if the whole screen is white, the iris adapts and filters it down. if the screen is black, iris can not do that, you end up burning retina)
anton_osika: But I feel that I am no the only one that lost ones identity -little owing to ones own mistakes. And this community has honesty in honouring contracts in Good Faith.
mircea_popescu: it'd seem the lower power the better, but not so. because the tiny white specs are too shiny otherwise.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272608 << ironically, for the exact same reason ancient/inherited swords were valuable. they had already been debugged for faults.
trinque: anton_osika: supposedly gox "owes me" several btc to this day. and guess what, there's even a "legal system" invovled with that case. what do you think my odds are on receiving the btc back?
mircea_popescu: because it means he has some black ancestry over there.
mircea_popescu: the fact that they're actually pretty similar is probably more insulting to the arab than to the american.
nubbins`: also, both their sweaty foreheads shine under harsh light
mircea_popescu: trinque i actually won, and it was imo a worse outcome. i nigh on ended up believing in the shit.
trinque: I lost far more than 700 bucks in the stock market at that age
nubbins`: but there is literally nothing you can do about it without that key. full stop.
trinque: anton_osika: the lesson here is worth far more than a student's 600-700 bucks
mircea_popescu: "The implications are obviously enormous here. After going through this thread and being somewhat convinced, I picked a few photos (widely available from a google image search) and did my own (very basic) comparisons."
nubbins`: trinque oh there you go.
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nubbins`: as you are not in the correct place
mircea_popescu: actually the obsolete system standard is "preponderence of evidence". you're thinking criminal proceedings, and it's "reasonable" there.
nubbins`: because you can't prove it's you by signing something with the key.
nubbins`: there is 100% probable doubt that you are not the person who signed the contract last year.
mircea_popescu: THAT was it's #1 thing, for they in the know. "omfg dude it doesn't even needs parans)"
nubbins`: maybe the real anton is on vacation?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 16:54:14; asciilifeform: e to attempting to match the TI-89's level of automation. The fact that Mathematica, Sage, etc. also will not perform these simplifications without a 'hint' makes me feel a little better, but the question remains: How on earth did the TI engineers manage to do this with literally a tiny, tiny fraction of the computing power a desktop has?'
anton_osika: My case is that there is only one individual calming to be me.
nubbins`: anton_osika it's the same thing i've been saying all along, just in reverse.
mircea_popescu: holy shit google. i had it to the word!
nubbins`: antonosika here's another thing: suppose you show us a passport that says "anton osika" on it. how do we know you, today, are the same anton osika from last year?
mircea_popescu: and in the space so freed, we have constructed much safer ids.
mircea_popescu: but here, because we are quite specifically dedicated to the non survival of the unfit, there isn't.
nubbins`: antonosika i think it's fair to say that you understand 100% that you fucked up and you're just trying to "reason" your way into changing the terms of the original
mircea_popescu: anton_osika just, irl, because irl is dedicated to the survival of the least fit, if you lose your id there's a mechanism to get another one.
anton_osika: If it did in an ordinary contract, it would have to include an address (which takes care of the all probable doubt) :)
nubbins`: how is anyone to know which john smith? there must be millions.
nubbins`: suppose the contract didn't say
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=1222&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=730&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& << for the lulz.
anton_osika: nubbins`: What have I been missing regarding GPG contracts then? :)
mircea_popescu: tyhe contract also states the word "and". maybne that's a name.
anton_osika: Before I continue the venture of my identity tomorrow: Since the contract states my name - what is it that says that it is not enough as long as it is uniquely identifiable beyond all probable doubts?
mircea_popescu: oh if all the dead losers could speak. oh if the wails of the meanwhile defeated stupid could be heard by the still living
nubbins`: ah, "the swede"
mircea_popescu: dude check out the historical spam I found! http://trilema.com/2013/but-please-allow-me-to-rub-it-in/
nubbins`: order book looks condusive to another bitbet hedge
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hasdn't traded in the past month, which is so fucking weird.
trinque: I even dropped out of the shitty college to get those shares
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anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I have to say that I do agree with you regarding ETH not being the best of bets though.
mircea_popescu: i was trying to aim for you know, 3-6 months after release, little did i imagine their "xmas" will be august
anton_osika: more in the equivalent of around 15'000 $
trinque: yeah but that was the upside back to him, right? he only put in 3btc
mircea_popescu: trinque well no, since the eth was WAY later than what they originally promised, the short lived launch bubble happened right around now.
mircea_popescu: the assignment of a negotiable can only be a contract.
nubbins`: "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant by or among third parties. The administration of any such contracts remains the sole responsibility of the respective parties involved."
mircea_popescu: anton_osika i would propose you're not experienced enough to crypto to make it the repository of your life savings.
nubbins`: but if i'm the sort of person who loses keys, i'm also the sort of person who loses signed statements.
nubbins`: if i were the sort of jackass who went around losing keys, i'd probably sign some messages preemptively to take care of things in case that happened
mircea_popescu: don';t get the wrong idea, anton_osika : i actually like you.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if there was an address i'd have sent teh eth already.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and fwiw "world of nubbins" is a world in which contracts are entered and people retain their keys
nubbins`: there is no cryptographic equivalent of this.
nubbins`: the illiterate used to draw an X. you could do that with your mouth.
nubbins`: anton_osika you're asking me if i would reach the same conclusion if the situation were entirely different?
anton_osika: nubbins`: Would you say the same thing to someone that Lost his right hand for signing documents and is looking you dead in the face?
mircea_popescu: there exists no suych thing as "physical credibility".
nubbins`: since you can't prove you're you, nothing can be agreed upon thence
anton_osika: My aim was to settle this with as much of my physical credibility at stake as possible. Which is why Anton Osika is my real username, with everything publicaly available on me (I'm in the phonebook). If ones physical identity can be a backup for WoT then it might strengthen WoT.
nubbins`: specifically, this snipped sealed your fate: "in a manner to be agreed upon thence"
trinque: nubbins`: yeah, just that some guy with a particular gpg key would receive the eth
phf: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that could easily be the last remaining such machine, the nvidia ball grid plague killed them all, i thought. << have one of those, you can manually switch with some hacks which video card is used at all times, i have it running on integrated, which prevents real 3d from happening, but hopefully extends life
anton_osika: Well the power of WoT lies in how large it will scale.
mircea_popescu: why should they not be affraid ?
mircea_popescu: that's the very point.
nubbins`: lel. maybe you shoulda worded the contract such.
mircea_popescu: this way, it's inspirational of the people i actually like.
mircea_popescu: the way i see it, it would be inspirational of undesirables.
mircea_popescu: mnop. cuz i don't want to encourage the world of nubins and anton_osika. i want to encourage the world of wot and signatures.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hey since I read your first draft of the contract between you and me I have learnt a lot.
nubbins`: anton_osika not my contract so i have NFI. but i don't see anything in there that requires you to take any further action
anton_osika: nubbins`: You mean the BTC payout address is enough?
trinque: anton_osika: it specifies your key fingerprints right there
anton_osika: I see it as fingerprints as a tool for simplifying proofs of physical identities, not replacing them. Might be good for the sake of lowering worries when entering contracts to be able to specify point of delivery, if unquestioned, with an alternative identification?
trinque: the idea that the contract is tied to the gpg identity is inherent to the very fact that the fucking thing's signed by that gpg key
BingoBoingo: Well, you've not only lost your hands, you've lsot the idea of having hands
anton_osika: Comparing it to a non-digital situation it would seem that there was another solution of delivering as stated here: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A
anton_osika: Right, the way I see it is just that I had a business deal regarding delivery but I lost my hands so I can sign no more documents.
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: There really anything I can advise other than working to develop a time machine so you could have made better backups.
nubbins`: if you sent aliens an accurate picture of the current state of affairs, they'd turn us into space dust
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nubbins`: BET THERE'S A STORY WE'LL NEVER HEAR BEHIND THAT
cazalla: run more windows, raised more kids in the western world type deal eh
cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead
cazalla: so perhaps you're right and it's just the dosage
cazalla: of course, was more than a kick in the ass
cazalla: trinque, i copped it from a young age too and these are the only memories I have around the ages of 4-5 , not convinced it would actually do my son any benefit
trinque: cazalla: I'd say by about 2 or 3 you could encounter a mild pop on the ass in my family for screaming fits and other carrying on
trinque: or more specifically allowing them to think that the world is something which brings you what you want when you scream
trinque: but when they start developing a personality, that's where I think you can do great damage by not teaching them self-restraint
trinque: ah sure that young, they're going to scream and do all sorts of nonsensical things
cazalla: at least that is what i've observed with my own son.. telling him no does seem to encourage the behaviour more, so we usually ignore or draw as little attention to it as possible
cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction
nubbins`: so all this is "other people's problems"
cazalla: i don't think dishing out some old fashioned discipline to the toddler is really going to help either
trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain
nubbins`: nevermind that his brain won't work like that for another half-decade at best
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:51:08; trinque: really, no one says there has to be any sane solution
cazalla: you'd have no shortage of do-gooders running to the kid's rescue.. difficult to raise kids properly in the welfare state because big daddy comes and clips you one too
cazalla: of course now, the parents don't respond by hitting back but by taking the kid through a circus of doctors
cazalla: not sure, but i think that is pretty normal for kids to lash out at their parents
trinque: like my oft-mentioned case of seeing the kid punching his mother in the tit at the grocery store
trinque: and I think on the other side, without that, you leave the child without the ability to exercise self-restraint at all