ascii_field: trinque: if it cannot compile emacs without building 'dbus', then it can GO TO HELL
ascii_field: trinque: i played with openbsd for a while and then got fed up with the dependency resolver retardation.
anton_osika: ascii_field: I just needed some clarification while the gentleman MP is gone.
trinque: shinohai: the handbook is a piece of shit
shinohai: Helped me wrap my head around the build steps.
shinohai: trinque is the man for making that script. It made more sense to me than the mountain of info from the official site.
ascii_field: notice that NOTHING stops anybody from going to the scrapyard, digging up a pentium-ii, and booting up, e.g., prehistoric slackware on it.
kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons)
ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk.
trinque: gives you what the livecd has
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, that is the rub; you have to have all modules built and an initrd that tries to load them all
ascii_field: trinque: thing is, if it doesn't do x11 on ARBITRARY DISPLAY then it WON'T be my workstation. but if it DOES do x11, then it is not shitgnomery-proof
trinque: the funny business is all in simple things like partitioning and installing the bootloader, pieces I bet could be lifted from debian's installer
ascii_field: trinque: one can build a working gentoo, yes. on certain hardware, and if the gods smile on you
trinque: you can still build a sane gentoo these days
ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:57:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'.
ascii_field: because else WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED IT
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273667 << if it addresses 128GB of ECC RAM, and drives my wall of 'eizo's, then i'm in.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:13; mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort.
thestringpuller: interesting side note: it makes it easy to erase technology from the face of the earth if constructed this way...i.e. sr-71
ascii_field: thestringpuller: not just production. OPERATION.
ascii_field: thing is, the kernel per se has cancer and leprosy
thestringpuller: yea that's prob why all the cool kids were using Arch Linux in school
ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti
ascii_field: rather than a special-purpose item like rotor
kakobrekla: it comes down to the question if the 'bitcoin distro' is suppose to handle blockchain (and thus be connected via dangerwire)
ascii_field: kakobrekla, thestringpuller: go buy pdp-11 on ebay, use.
kakobrekla: like in the olden days
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273661 << i personally won't work on anything which i can't use. and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate, AND simultaneously process blocks, etc. then I WON'T USE IT
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:52:47; mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all.
ascii_field: '"To address cyber-security concerns, we ensure that all your conversations are transmitted in encrypted form," he wrote. "The key is that we do this without compromising ease of use and content discovery." As we now know, at least part of that "content discovery" now includes investitgators' searching for evidence of malfeasance.'
thestringpuller: how goes the uranium mines mr. ascii_field
shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior.
shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ
thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe...
trinque: thestringpuller: in teh logz from yesterday
anton_osika: Well the only thing he wants to defend is his WoT - so the opinions of other is relevant in these kind of contracts.
trinque: anton_osika: I think those here are tired of the pleading; I didn't voice you for that. And no, we do not vote on mircea_popescu's actions.
anton_osika: If, hypothetically, people agree that I would have enough proof of being the long party, in this contract: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A
thestringpuller: i'm tempted to run a graph on the nicks in #bitcoin-XT and see which ones of them are connected to known scammers
shinohai: Or say, the keys to your apartment?
anton_osika: Well the "unprobabilistic" part was my strong belief that my keys were fail-safe recoverable.
shinohai: New tyoe of theft to me.
anton_osika: I tried to refer to the concept of 5 sigma, etc.
anton_osika: I do read. I also have a talent for getting into tip-of-the-tounge moments, in such cases I make up words...
shinohai: Also, if the anton_osika guy reads these logs, please note there is no such word in the English language as "unprobabilistically "
mircea_popescu: (isis has more "boots on the ground" in the immigrant wave than the us has in the entire middle east.)
funkenstein_: "luke, I am your father". "No it's not true, sign a statement with his key bitch"
funkenstein_: but we all learn from these things so I say thanks to all involved
funkenstein_: a signed statement from "enough" people in counterparty's WOT that the spirit of key A now resides in key B would be the only way
funkenstein_: the case of anton_osika reminds me of the post-resleeving identification ceremony from the takeshi kovacs novels.
HeySteve: having connection difficulties lately so I haven't been doing the manual sign in
cazalla: this time it's gonna be different! this guy we can count on to lead the country unlike 28 people before him
cazalla: well, Australia just got their 5th prime minister in 5 years - not that i expect anyone actually gives a fuck http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defeats-tony-abbott-in-liberal-leadership-spill-to-become-prime-minister-20150914-gjmhiu.html
shinohai: Well can't say danielpbarron hasn't done his part for the cult.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 05:06:53; thestringpuller: ^^^ danielpbarron
punkman: herp http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/business/dealbook/pitfalls-for-the-unwary-borrower-out-on-the-frontiers-of-banking.html
assbot: Nobody wants to go to the US Open anymore now that Serena is out ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNkx53 )
assbot: Anyone running a full node for their apps/websites? Where do you store it? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iplUuj )
mircea_popescu: apparently she's reading the logs.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller since you were asking, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVCZagJtj8&t=16m14s
mircea_popescu: (note the .asp for a lol.)
mircea_popescu: and "college graduates" earning 2k per month is bs, incidentally. that's what the living wage is.
thestringpuller: punkman: College loans maybe the greatest scam yet.
punkman: "The Department of Education calculated the percentage of students at each college who earned more than $25,000 per year, which is about what high school graduates earn. At hundreds of colleges, less than half of students met this threshold 10 years after enrolling"
assbot: Education is the big hurdle blocking Bitcoin growth in Africa - Memeburn ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9Y2Yz )
cazalla: either way - http://memeburn.com/2015/09/education-is-the-big-hurdle-blocking-bitcoin-growth-in-africa/
cazalla: fluffypony, do you know "Francois Harris the founder of Bitcoinzar"
ben_vulpes: it's great - a whole new world of indignities and hilarities to enjoy the spectacle of
thestringpuller: being on the male side of child bearing is the unappealing part i was referring to! lol
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "the whole point of the last month of pregnancy is to make the idea of childbearing very appealing"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. << What, rotor stopped making enough Linux?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:51:17; mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? << array of conveniences. your govt id includes your name aside from your number too.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273646 << algebra is easily the hardest part. not even just because the notion of number is easily the most complex abstraction we've invented to date.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that until and unless someone takes a serious byte out of making the damned thing, it's kind of hard to guess if and how the graph is actually summarizable, or w/e the term is.
mircea_popescu: maybe 1% or so is the best you can hope for, as a human.
mircea_popescu: wich strictly means that a) mathematics is not open to human beings and b) even ultraspecialised approaches are pushing the proposition.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study.
mircea_popescu: <gernika> I feared as much. << the objection is valid, and in no way different from "you can have a working os, i sort-of have one here, it's made out of 400 pieces and i could maybe remake it if i had a week off."
ben_vulpes: "the programmer's portable os"
mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort.
mircea_popescu: modern crypto useless for the reason stated
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all.
mircea_popescu: but for some reason either the histeresis is great or outright resistance to the notion is great.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272924 << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints?
ben_vulpes is enjoying the anton_osika thread
gernika: khan academy's knowledge map approximates what I seek but is tragically composed of video nodes, rather than book titles and page numbers: http://www.semko.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/khan-map-half-complete.jpg
gribble: Mathematics: its content, methods, and meaning - New Mexico ...: <http://www.ees.nmt.edu/outside/courses/hyd510/PDFs/SupplementaryReadings/Mathematics_its%20content,%20methods,%20and%20meaning.pdf>; algorithms in modern mathematics and computer science: <http://i.stanford.edu/pub/cstr/reports/cs/tr/80/786/CS-TR-80-786.pdf>; Mathematics Reference Books: (1 more message)
trinque: ;;google ext:pdf Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning
asciilifeform: if you want a pocket-sized 'tour guide', try 'Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning' (A. D. Aleksandrov, A. N. Kolmogorov, et al)
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't do you any good. there is not a standardized one that works on everybody.
asciilifeform: gernika: sure. this is a book, except that it is made of 1,001 others and they take up three bookcases.
gernika: asciilifeform a book that connects pythagoras to newton, with proofs for all the nodes in between?
nubbins`: but... the only way they can take it away from me is by rendering it useless throu... waitaminute
trinque: exactly what I meant about the right man's library index
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 20:29:47; mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species.
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271600 asciilifeform is there a book you can recommend that approximates this, or at least traces a few important branches?
trinque: asciilifeform: there we have no disagreement
trinque: as it stands I'd like to go back to an addressing system for flat text with the option of involving more code as I see fit
trinque: asciilifeform: if there could be hard constraints on what someone else's code could do on my computer, I'd be far more willing
asciilifeform: the physical difference is imaginary
asciilifeform: the preoccupation with 'i will read your data but not run your code' is voodoo.
trinque: asciilifeform: we all use the web all day; I'd have to be persuaded that it's useless
trinque: and maybe the data source proposes to me that my system fetch some new presentations it needs, but that the act of browing around does not *at all* involve running someone else's code
asciilifeform: can take ~whatever~ on the machine and have it sanely typeset.
trinque: seems entirely clear to me that a better web would be nothing more than something like a CLIM listener here, and a network of data sources out there
nubbins`: i did some typesetting with LaTeX in uni, the math dept required it
asciilifeform: concordia even typeset books (including the manuals, which i have here on my shelf)
trinque: obviously I'm searching for the latter
trinque: node over there has data; I want to view it with presentations over here
trinque: had a thread with gabriel_laddel recently on whether hypertext was even valuable; I hold that it is
trinque: asciilifeform: better question might be whether there are existing hypertext system implementations from that era
nubbins`: "Assays of GD bars are determined by the refiner at the point of manufacture. An assay is likely only to be checked again when a bar is used as raw material in a refinery, for example, for the manufacture of small bars or in a plant manufacturing products like jewellery."
asciilifeform: where it takes actual fucking work to transform one to another
asciilifeform: this preoccupation with format is a disease of the non-cl world, aha
asciilifeform: trinque: you can make them look like whatever, and it'll still be one line.
trinque: asciilifeform: seems to me the right way is simply to barf sexps that look like function calls over the wire
asciilifeform: n encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption)....'
asciilifeform: 'From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hats deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasnt been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used watered-dow
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 00:30:34; shinohai: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
asciilifeform: trinque: the very fact of having asked the question is indicative of needing detox from years of using shitlangs
trinque: fine answer; I've developed the habit of at least trying to look for prior art before reinventing something
nubbins`: they're still forever tho, right?
asciilifeform: trinque: why the fuck do you need a library for this
trinque: asciilifeform: that guy has a function I wanna get the result of via a socket
nubbins`: what ever became of all that perfect synthetic diamond hype?
asciilifeform: commercially available, and, unlike the gold thing, costs pennies
trinque: asciilifeform: is there something respectable to look at in the CL world in regards to RPC?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. this is btw the only reliable test for diamond.
nubbins`: you can play the whole 2p game yourself if you're good in battle mode
mircea_popescu: (very similar to the nazi watering to look for buried stuff thing)
mircea_popescu: there's also a heat diffusion pattern method
asciilifeform: (iirc the ultrasound thing is used for spot-checks)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: things-that-are involve either melt-and-assay or that $50k ultrasound box
mircea_popescu: the gold blockchain, as is, has ~10kbps bw.
nubbins`: too scary to actually look in the crystal ball
cazalla: danielpbarron, i hate 2 player mode - always used to ensure console time is evenly shared amongst brothers :\
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i think the cart alone goes for 120-140ish now. Full gets up (box et. al) is probably double that maybe 300-400 range.
mircea_popescu: if all the gold in the world changed hands right now it would take ~12 years to clear it all.
mircea_popescu: tbh, the gold delivery process is not large enough. the only way to do it currently is to send delegates to observe assays. takes 7-10 days.
thestringpuller: I didn't get to play Chrono Trigger till the PSX era when they rereleased it. It's a great game. Just so many different endings.
asciilifeform: notably, the tungsten-cored bars are ~trivial~ to detect, and their very existence is predicated on ~nobody wanting to detect~. this was discussed here iirc.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273291 << these have been turning up since at least 2008
mircea_popescu: much like "IP" had little meaning in the minstrel era.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: You ever play Secret of Evermore? That cartridge is worth quite a bit these days iirc.
thestringpuller: the one good thing from canada
thestringpuller: mix tapes are for the A&R people
nubbins`: you'd listen to their mixtape?
trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free
thestringpuller: trinque: i'd listen to their music tho
trinque: I think the point about data vs code is key, that I might be willing to encounter someone else's data without a WoT relationship, but I'll be damned if I want to run their code
assbot: The Wizard - I love the Power Glove... it's so bad (Full Scene) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHZoww )
trinque: be they ROMs or books
trinque: the last one got more shares
gribble: MS St. Louis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis>; Voyage of the St. Louis - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267>; The Tragedy of S.S. St. Louis | Jewish Virtual Library: <https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/stlouis.html>
mircea_popescu: because seriously, nobody needs them nobody wants them and they shouldn't even be here in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i would hope they did.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the euro jews who refused, collectively, to go to south america ?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else << no. my argument is that if you're refugeeing, where you go to refugee discriminates you. if you go to the eu, you're a scumbag. if you go to tanzania, you're somebody.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:06:04; mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:47:27; mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273175 << this is not hard. mine fields, flame thrower tanks, etc. some countries selectively refuse to enforce them, yes. but not because the tech does not exist.
nubbins`: combine those two videos somehow and you're close to the real thing
nubbins`: ^ this is maybe the second-most accurate depiction of LSD i've seen in video format
cazalla: thestringpuller, have not played recently so won't be any time soon
thestringpuller: lol cazalla back to the cel shading
nubbins`: or at least that's the outer layer of it, i can't be fucked to peel all of his onions for him
nubbins`: syrians didn't either
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not the point
nubbins`: so you find yourself in the mud and what, lie down?
cazalla: thestringpuller, link has changed tremendously, he's a girl now
asciilifeform: it isn't about heroes either
trinque: great granddaddy got the silver star
trinque: plenty actually, and they survived
thestringpuller: trinque: star fox is a lot like link. doesn't really change. (i'm under the notion windwaker was a throwback)
asciilifeform: ask the japanese
nubbins`: is this an ethereum joke?
asciilifeform: but that's beside the point.
nubbins`: in the narrow context of your current employment, i should qualify
asciilifeform: the implication is that man does not live by bread alone (tm)
nubbins`: implication is that while you're a smart guy, you rely on other things to make your smartness useful
asciilifeform: 'if you fall overboard, have the decency to drown like a gentleman.'
asciilifeform: know what the english said ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273136 << the implication, unless i am mistaken, is that i ought to go to tanzania, mongolia, wherever, to avoid being shot in the head. but what do i need not-being-shot-in-the-head for, in tanzania ?
trinque: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/353/b/3/the_star_fox_evolution_by_shadowtoast102-d4jlp9c.jpg << they didn't mess up star fox too bad
nubbins`: there's one ad spot where kid is playing and dad says HEY CAN I TRY and then converts level to smb1 skin
thestringpuller: can't make this dumb up: "surprise surprise. This was already brought up here about 3 months ago. Unfortunately with the Coinwallet Stress Test the other Altcoin businesses will use the results as a casestudy when they pitch their own blockchain to Fidelity, Citibank ,etc etc."
trinque: the new animation style Nintendo's gone with is obnoxious, though
nubbins`: i'm dying to play the new super mario maker
nubbins`: man, the final level in this captain toad is a worthy challenge
nubbins`: i back'd up the backups
assbot: The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ny9YmP )
mircea_popescu: also, dja know you made trilema ? http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/
mircea_popescu: it's what threw me the first time.
mircea_popescu: it's like, soviet citizen goes to paris, ahs a decent meal, then is like... "ima sneak these steaks back into leningrad"
nubbins`: modern smugglers: middle-aged women sneaking sealskin tennis shoes back home in their luggage
nubbins`: "One lady, she bought a pair of the sealskin sneakers. She said, 'I'm taking my chance. I really want them and I'm going to take my chance.'"
nubbins`: "Most tourists from the United States have no idea they're not permitted to take sealskin products back into their country. When Prince explains the situation, she said they're flabbergasted."
mircea_popescu: the rest... fuck it, you got your own life to fuck up.
mircea_popescu: trinque imo it's much better to let kids play their little mmorpg of reality. just explain to them how to level, and how to distinguish paladins from necromancers and lower level from high
trinque: mircea_popescu: hm yeah, even that is euphemistically skirting the issue of "was commanded A, did B"
nubbins`: altho tbf the north eats kimchi too.
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck decided you even GET to have "expectations". and if you do, why can't it ? it expects the government to fix his bed wetting now!
mircea_popescu: suppose your wife dies in a car crash next year. which can happen, as it happens thousands of times each year. was it the kid's failurew that did it ? no ? how do you know ?
mircea_popescu: and then b) supposing the kid is dumb enough to actually buy it, how the fuck is it going to balance anxiety throughout his life ?
mircea_popescu: * trinque [...] a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me << for the record, i don't think very much of this entire "expectations" verbiage/bs. if you think a little about it, so would you. a) what sort of fucking powerless vulnerable schmuck lets himself get into the position of DEPENDING on a kid ? that's what you're saying. don't say that, not only is it not true it's also very stupid.