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(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is *wrong* with people
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i just got a 400 redirect
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dude what the shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tbf i'm more likely to get fucked into quiescence than vice versa
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lady v returns from travels tomorrow noon pst, so i'll likely be unavailable though the pm.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyone who has other ideas re: muntzing cazalla's system please chime in
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you find that this is *not* a ram issue, i'll provide you ssh access to a thing on which you can run a bitcoind.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that'll have to come from my heirs legacy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: you'll not be on the hook for b/w.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unlike some people i'm willing to train male slaves.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: when i'm done with you you'll be downright valuable.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "teach a man to fish".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i will not accept 'may have'.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well i have non pogo tasks for you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aws bill was insane for last three months
(trilema) ben_vulpes: please don't make me build and test more bitcoinds
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: ok well are you game for some foundation support?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Are you going to argue with Bruce Schneier? I didn't think so. << amazing pedigree
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 132587 << fresh sync i'm betting
(trilema) ben_vulpes: was that a fresh sync or using an old blockchain?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: try to preserve charcount.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: OMIT any potentially sensitive data there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and you're certain you know the contents of that logline?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: twould be real funny if there were privkeys in that log statement.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nonstd transaction?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 00000000000001909813d3f692378c41ffa9c21e444ebac220a33137d94948c5 << point at which pasted log kicks into "orphan frenzy"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jesus fuck the qa.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eg does it wedge reproducibly, etc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nailgun for the shitgnomes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: this needs proving and reproduction.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well codified, thank you mircea_popescu.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is the obvious solution, yes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not the hardcoded list, but the list of candidates constructed at/during runtime from which a node may consider downloading blocks.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and to tag this with the 'block download' thread: nodes that misbehave like this must be booted from the dl candidate list.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 67.70.13.210 << in 10* seeds?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you have 0.8.6 available for inquiry.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: please run 'getblockhash 233764' and report
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hm wait wrong construction
(trilema) ben_vulpes: /s/considering/consider
(trilema) ben_vulpes is not opening up cpp tonight, will run from flawed meatram
(trilema) ben_vulpes: although is that the hash of the existing block or the incoming block and are they even the same?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: << considering running 'getblockhash 233764' and seeing if it returns the same hash
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 233764 00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472
(trilema) ben_vulpes: although hard to tell if its getting blocks it already has or just 'heights' it already has
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 234015 << so your remote node is misbehaving
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good god they're all like 35
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the movie...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as a side note, it's lovely to see pastebin die the good death.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mission impossible!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways cazalla your mission should you choose to accept it is to run down some useful debug information from a 0.8.6 that refuses to sync. i suggest booting your bitcoind with the -debug flag.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well you have places to hunt now don't you? and a foundation to whom to report shitgnomery in the wild?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: cazalla? new?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and then THEN you need to point the thing at a known-good node and see if you get the same results.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: general symptoms of shitgnomery
(trilema) ben_vulpes: block number
(trilema) ben_vulpes: like ~/.bitcoin/debug.log files from block where it wedges
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <cazalla> ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying << dude i need more than this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fiat hedge against fiat failure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gemini being the replacement-in-the-wings
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who's the fractional reserve this time?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: new noobs, gorgeous weather, summer runup must be impending.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <bagehot> [04:12] Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors << it's called thermodynamics
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagehot "normative statement" << actually now i'm not so sure i want to be around you at all even
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagehot lmk if you want a hand with setting up networks off of the mainchain
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <bagehot> [02:58] the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are. << wat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "do as i say, or i slay."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation, mircea_popescu: ksr, "We could be intruding on alien life." << isn't colonialism about coopting local structure if not eradicating them entirely?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: take comfort that bitcoin exists.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dispense with dream of 'compute'. c'est la guerre.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd. << it's over. eat a strategic banana, let them have the abandoned fortresses, move to the hills and build batteries of cheapish ground and air control devices to hold no mans land, lick wounds, regroup.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <trinque> heh we're fucking children << trinque confirmed for gulagdestiny
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p-p-plz no bully
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who knows what got snipped and sewn in place during recombination.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lineage, then.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and gypsies (so family legend goes) who assimilated into the local joomunity.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jews who escaped
(trilema) ben_vulpes: french mercs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if i might be so bold i bear an excellent subset of excellent american genes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: like gypsies, but according to the people in question, 'smarter'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the glib retort is "we're not immigrants, we're jooz!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: attempt to mutate the state and you tempt him
(trilema) ben_vulpes: his baleful glare burning into your soul
(trilema) ben_vulpes: state is von neumann peeking through the curtain
(trilema) ben_vulpes: never update your bitcoin device
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is this a real thing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh, well. then what?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'international cattle demarcation line' does not refer to israel?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: umpteen fucking centuries of having the bottom 90% snipped off of your ethnic group is much more pertinent
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be << oh come now the israel thing is totally orthogonal to the 'everyone else is cattle' attitude
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm well aware that this is how Things Are Done™
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mod6> ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html << once we have a source tree in the wild and some sort of provenance chain for it we can start talking about dvcs over email
(trilema) ben_vulpes: saifedean: it's the Alps on the Riviera << oh god that sounds amazong
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be handy to have a thing that could watch the output of n different 'bitcoin's running in real time?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: new 0.8.6 chains blow up during initial sync?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: your 0.8.6 all of a sudden refuses to sync further?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: what's the full story here?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is still worth enumerating.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> said.... everyone ever ? << nah. babes in haus is totally the way to go.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that set of assertions has me in knots.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's your line.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but on the other hand "you're a parent now - you must sacrifice your whole life for the new life"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle. << myup.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 600 lines of log
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: aha i see patches!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is the /context/ for that, man?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 's how i did it in 'skool'.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but the planet's not choking under human smog or anything
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is the most unbelievably gorgeous spring i've ever seen here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: until the jews start crawling out of my skin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: i'm no mircea_popescu, i have to tweak and derp and derp and tweak
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i had my first relational algebra dream two nights ago
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s secret service agents
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <cazalla> [13:29] you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent << jesus shit if you go *with* the status quo you're a bad parent
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <gabriel_laddel> [13:15] the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. << and furthermore, the #b-a creed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla, gabriel_laddel: it's totarry the jooz.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sweet dreams unicodecoporeality
(trilema) ben_vulpes: see you shortly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 's no recoleta, but it serves my needs adequately
(trilema) ben_vulpes: righto, let's stroll through the cemetary
(trilema) ben_vulpes: then i will as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one last smoke
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: smokes?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i see where i went wrong vis-a-vis ibid/idem now.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if bulky, idem.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if slow, i guess fine.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: optimal for me is always going to be somewhere around "gives me leverage on data"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i really have no interest in optimized for min storage or max whatever the fuck
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: blockchain queries are a business logic concern!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree << i want to say "select * from outputs where output.spent_transaction is null;"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not pure "fast as fuck" compute problems.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: applying software to business problems.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i want data i can query with a 'sane' language
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: should i be concerned with these pure performance issues?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> but in reality you want structure << this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll have no truck with unstructured languages that don't support querying
(trilema) ben_vulpes: particularly when woods are full of wolves.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: particularly then.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eventually boy who cries wolf is ignored, even when wolf is coming
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your objections to things suffer from the "boy who cried wolf" problem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this postgres as fs idea may actually have legs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: 'large objects' << no, tell me more
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: terrorist teknologees!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fuckuppy.jpg << asciilifeform ah i've found your problem they put the resistors on backwards on one of the boards
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up NewLiberty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: happy to spend thousands on worthless arcana tho :P
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you're not siemens, you don't swing 500m in legal fees every quarter, you don't get to go over the bills with a fine toothed comb etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if you're spending 75 dollars, you didn't need them at all sheesh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: NewLiberty: who now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i grow more and more tempted every day to use postgres as a filesystem.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but a *queryable* blockchain is something else entirely.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the storage on disk is a thing of import, no doubt.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i want it in a database, though.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (it'll be done in two weeks, i swear)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (project is relational modeling of blockchain, for the curious)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque's already helped with it, but i'm looking for more eyes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: do any of you know anything about relational schema design? i'm derping on a thing and would like to run an early early early schema draft by someone who actually understands relational dbs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what l33t deelz did you find? the best i'm offered is ~1.3k rt
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ssn and passport number no doubt lifted en route
(trilema) ben_vulpes: std us mail envelope
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: lol no.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: by 'condom' i assume you mean faraday cage?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol no plain book
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no you see, the lizard shitgnomes got to it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but my *other* documents.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have the *passport*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that part was unnecessary, and risks putting one in the 'extra scrutiny' bin as i see it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm aware.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: despite! claims all over forms that supporting docs will be returned with issued passport.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fuckers declined to send me back my court papers and expired passport.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll admit to shitting more than a single brix over its issuance, given my presence here and name change froofraw.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so i just received my new passport
(trilema) ben_vulpes: purchased direct?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey noisy chump what travel bezzle are you using to procure tickets to con3?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, it should be easy, decimation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shouldn't be, really.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: glhf. not happening.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: outrageous claims are outrageous.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and their tacos are clocking in at .75 per, to extend the metaphor.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: extra cilantro get out of here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's like i tell the boys
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you didn't need to burn that current anyways
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they're more efficient
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s transisto from ben_vulpes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: i hm what when?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: i don't know a transisto, no.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation, asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: what does it mean for openssl to load files in from disk as discussed last night? is it compiling .txts into machine code? loading precompiled stuff?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, sleep doth conquer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Adlai: more along the lines of piggybacking messages on the btc txn relay network.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but i suppose that's what gossipd's for
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'd actually like to see relay rules opened up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i kind of have to assume that any hardware i touch these days is wholly compromised
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049856 << another reason why 0.5.3 needs getblock functionality. i can't trust anything out there, and the best way to handle bitcoins safely is to be able to canvass a mess of bitcoinds and make some decisions about how to squirt txns into the network
(trilema) ben_vulpes knows nothing about external libs and safety in c
(trilema) ben_vulpes: surely that's a paranoid jump too far.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: knowing c it's probably just like hell breaks loose in the operating system
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so basically pwn the vm layer, pwn txn validation possibly?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049735 << pastebin *specifically*. i've seen this again and again, eventually diddled something in my environment to keep it from happening.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thick ass logs today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: you know it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049682 << hah i ran into this as well, thought it was due to mounting the working dir in from the host machine
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049268 << cardano-like thinger over serial someday, one hopes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wtshit linux
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bail on *error*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049633 << oh just extreme naivte in thinking things like the bail on exit flag would be set the same way on other platforms
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some mixture of all the above
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sour grapes re youth wasted on the young
(trilema) ben_vulpes: elbow in ribs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: re: 'mit' - feeder college for northrup grumman and loyal derpy armsmiths
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