gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: but it will have to do its duty until there is a fleet of serious iron, somewhere.
asciilifeform: battery back up, locked room with camera, come and get it motherfuckers
asciilifeform: 4GB RAM, SSD drive, the works.
cazalla: common malware story so not really qntra worthy but still lulzy http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/townsville-adult-store-blackmailedby-hackers/story-fnii5v6w-1227536627027 "We contacted the police and they told us there was nothing they could do. We contacted the Federal Police and they told us theres nothing they could do either"
BingoBoingo: Because they have to
cazalla: the fuck is the guardian recycling 3 week old stories for then? (you know, i also read about the ISIS dinar again this morning)
assbot: Teen prosecuted as adult for having naked images – of himself – on phone | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMC0L )
cazalla: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/20/teen-prosecuted-naked-images-himself-phone-selfies
cazalla: mircea_popescu, don't have a client to do so (nuked windows drive with the win ver)
adlai: (before the hourly commitment)
trinque: including a dangling header where the footer is chopped off
adlai has another idea...
adlai: trinque: this is rather weird now
adlai: those notions are uncontrovertial, neither is "forseen"
mircea_popescu: not like pgp has these notions.
mircea_popescu: adlai what is your notion of "never" and "another message" anyway.
adlai: you mean the quoted public key block getting interpreted as a valid one?
mircea_popescu: prolly the comments.
mircea_popescu: well that;s kinda people publish it rather than passing it along on a p2p basis. saves them the effort of evaluating everyone's antics.
assbot: You rated user trinque on 28-Apr-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: highly educational, taught me not to trust unsigned text: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280535.
mircea_popescu: trinque other than the silliness of trying to force people to do things, the more general problem with not publishing code is that it creates a world of perverse incentives for one,
mircea_popescu: people anmd their down jones fixation.
mircea_popescu: eh, forcing people do things isn't the best strategy anyway.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280502 <<< This is the perfect place for someone that perceives pgp as "silly".
trinque: OP thought over it in the meanwhile and decided to keep it to himself
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai open source in tmsr~ means a person can ask another person for a copy of the source, and might actually get it
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to -1 with note: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227768 STILL waiting for OP to deliver
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for deedbot- from 1 to 2 with note: works as described, not as desired
trinque: tenyks was used as the basis, though I've grown to dislike it and will eventually replace
trinque: er that's sha256 of bundle as the private key
adlai: (isn't this how you accomplish things in the Brave New Economy?)
trinque: eats pubkeys or clearsigned messages, farts bundles and transactions to the address derived from the sha256 of bundle as pubkey
trinque: aside that there's nothing that special going on here.
adlai would've had the foggiest notion of how to interact with the damn thing if its source were published
trinque: oh, that's what I thought, that it was missing the outermost message header
adlai: there's no pgp key block, it's quoted :P
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shinohai: http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/16/news/egypt-billionaire-refugee-island/ <<< novel approach to the refugee crisis.
assbot: Texas electricity goes negative: Wind power was so plentiful one night that producers paid the state to take it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1j0my1r )
kakobrekla: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2015/09/texas_electricity_goes_negative_wind_power_was_so_plentiful_one_night_that.html
asciilifeform: 'Chances are that your bank already forked C++ because they didn't like its open nature, and you now have to pay millions every year to the one guy who knows where all the libraries are.' << ahahahaha this is a thing of beauty
asciilifeform: 'We know that millions of transactions per second can be scary to some, especially banks who still call their customers and require them to fax in documents. In myBlockchain, you can limit the rate of transactions per second by requiring verification by a shamefully underpaid human being in your "back office" in the third world, just like you are used to.' << mega-win
assbot: myBlockchain is your private blockchain without the blocks or the chains. ... ( http://bit.ly/1j0iEWl )
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mircea_popescu: iirc the issue was nist, not "standards"
analmaster: im trying to do some work for the mines
asciilifeform: analmaster: and you, for some reason, are rowing the galley today ?
asciilifeform: i recall there was a thread where mircea_popescu unzipped and pissed on standards, but they are pretty much the only way you get to have (2) and (3)
asciilifeform: (a frag is not a useless thing, has its place where nothing else will do. but only there.)
asciilifeform: i'd include forth, but it has the 'safety' of a frag grenade.
asciilifeform: *them
asciilifeform: if your book didn't come with then, get yer money back
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280374 << recall how everything is 'oversold' in the cable modem sense ? where actually ~using~ all of what you paid for, will break it or use it up in record time? well, this.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, I've been hacking on the buy/sell board this morning over coffee
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: thx, I just rebooted and will connect to the one mp posted yesterday.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "The algorithm is memory hard, you'll need at least 1+GB of RAM on each GPU"
mircea_popescu: Codename Frontier, the initial live release of Ethereum consist of Geth, the Command Line Interface written in Go, and nothing else. At the moment, Geth only includes a CPU miner, and the team is testing a GPU miner branch, but this won't be part of Frontier."
mircea_popescu: "At Frontier, the first release of Ethereum, you'll just need a) a GPU and b) an Ethereum client, Geth. CPU mining will be possible but too inefficient to hold any value.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: If you can make any sense of this I *guess* it explains it: https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/197/how-to-help-secure-the-ethereum-network-faq
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.95068863 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b19
shinohai: heh ... "Hive wallet failing" Who wants another html5/js wallet?
mircea_popescu: (spoiler : boy meets girl at insane asylum. neither is a visitor. she "is an artist". he "is writing a book", about DSM, of course, because what better qualifies one as an expert in the field than being insane.)
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Mass amnesia in effect in/Bitcoin to downplay AbbyGate. No one remembers her...Who?"
mircea_popescu: your pincers is in another castle!
mircea_popescu: and from the retard files : http://upstart.bizjournals.com/entrepreneurs/hot-shots/2015/03/11/is-record-112m-investment-enough-to-turn-bitcoins.html
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 09:36:21; BingoBoingo: On OpenBSD (non-pogoable) the latest BDB locks fix added ~800MB of memory allocation for bitcoind
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mircea_popescu: dude everyone in english is a leader. apparently leadees not required. they lead lead.
mircea_popescu: "A Tough Day as Leaders" wait wut, who's symantec the leaders of.
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 04:58:26; asciilifeform: noez, he wanted genuine dead souls, not synthetic dead souls !!111111
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 04:56:57; asciilifeform: (yes, someone did half of it, a btc's worth, but the result is not yet something i can send off to the print house and get a wall poster)
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 04:34:28; asciilifeform: the scratch space used for the verification is allocated on the stack
BingoBoingo: On OpenBSD (non-pogoable) the latest BDB locks fix added ~800MB of memory allocation for bitcoind
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 04:09:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most dire flaw, per my current understanding, is that the thing is loathe to discard a peer
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280134 << Have you considered -addnode for a bunch of suspected chicom peers. The ones I ended up committing to bitcoin.conf are lovely
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 03:40:34; *: mircea_popescu foresees great cinematic drama, "the brainwallet". where guy gets shot in head, has to recoup his brainwallet.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280100 << Believe it of not this is actually the plot of "'Fallout": New Vegas'
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 03:11:39; mircea_popescu: very instructive comparison, https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ vs https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280082 << Turns out BIP 101 is less of a thing than huffing ether. No Surprise.
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 01:53:14; mircea_popescu: wait, old holland's banned in the us ?!
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279993 << No, but Mr. Holland's Opus was the worst film ever
BingoBoingo: What coach doesn't ask a player to give it their all in the game? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279985
BingoBoingo: Actually the part where there is no way for the hub node to be configured such that "hey this -connect node is cool to peer only with me" is a problem
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 00:29:16; pete_dushenski: for a node network n00b, i found the aforejizzed quote quite interesting
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279967 << Only AMAZING COMPANY ALA LABCOIN here is the retarded pace of UMD and friends. Like... The never jsut tried sending random messages at nodes to see what they do?
BingoBoingo: Both of them
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:17:04; punkman: "During our ongoing discussions with Symantec we determined that the issuance occurred during a Symantec-internal testing process." hah
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279465 << the reply couldn't be more lulzy if you tried https://archive.is/qXAPE
cazalla: i've heard "i needed the better camera" quite a few times
punkman: low-res probably helps with the cellulite too
punkman: I suppose 640pixels was all anyone had on their phones when instagram started
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Finstagram | Finstagram, finsta for short, is a mixture of Fake & Instagram. People, usually girls , get a second Instagram account along with their real instagrams, rinstagrams, ...
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cazalla: an anecdote but when i snoop the facebooks of the girls i wanted to bang in high school yet never did, their last posts are usually 2012-2013
asciilifeform: noez, he wanted genuine dead souls, not synthetic dead souls !!111111
asciilifeform: 'Recently, however, Brar has fallen out of love with Facebook. He discovered as Business Insider reported recently that his Facebook fanbase was becoming polluted with thousands of fake likes from bogus accounts. He can no longer tell the difference between his real fans and the fake ones. Many appear fake because the users have so few friends, are based in developing countries, or have generic profile pictures.' << oh
asciilifeform: he wrote some code which could, theoretically, be used to make this.
asciilifeform: (yes, someone did half of it, a btc's worth, but the result is not yet something i can send off to the print house and get a wall poster)
asciilifeform: esp. since nobody ever did the chore, yet, of making a usable wall-sized call graph like i asked for
asciilifeform: it doesn't hurt to have it. for the call graphs.
mod6: anyway, yeah, i agree. we'll have to get lxr setup for v0.5.4 for sure, and maybe at that time we just drop doxygen or just point at it for the call graphs.
asciilifeform: i prolly ought to set the thing up on local disk
mod6: me too, if i even use it at all. most of the time i just use an editor.
asciilifeform: i use it every time i look at the thing at all.
asciilifeform: mod6: the lxr thing is indispensible
mod6: asciilifeform: maybe jurov can add another lxr for v0.5.4 when release is official? i actually never use the doxygen one either.
asciilifeform: the thing is graphically spiffy but entirely worthless in practice.
asciilifeform: and the file browser, always visible, is mega-annoying
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: this is btw a beautiful pun, often exploited, in ru: язык ада == 'the language of hell'
mircea_popescu: like they programmed nipples in life aha.
asciilifeform: they will program in ada, in hell
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> utterly illiterate << kids today are used to adding things together. "how many pears do you get adding six ducks to eight nails ?" "14!!!"
asciilifeform: i have the thing on screen as we speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think while the txn are verified serially maybe the memory for entire block is allocated somewhere ; haven't actually had someone dig into the code for this angle./
mircea_popescu: the instrumentation you need is userspace with specifiable available memory profile.
mircea_popescu: that's why i say someone who has the tools to reason deductively should look at it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no logic, just induction.
mircea_popescu: it's a complex set of required blocks of allocable memory, and the hope that kernel allocates them correctly.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw there are misleading figures circulating re: 'size of the mempool today is 5MB' etc. << word. not a scalar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am curious as to the logic of this inference.
mircea_popescu: im pretty certain 367851 is the best block to do it on.
mircea_popescu: the kernel thinks it has memory, the program thinks it was allocated memory, the verification fails and the process cycles indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can actually unwedge it. i am satisfied the problem here is a subtle memory issue (not directly related to the bdb locks thing). specifically, to verify block 367851 bitcoind needs a certain amount of CONTIGUOUS memory. but it doesn't know this.
asciilifeform: i must also remind people that, sadly, these days i do not have anything close to the amount of time and energy needed to properly nail this thing.
asciilifeform: punkman: what i ended up doing was manually combing the code for 'what gets eaten but never shat', and found the block index to be the obvious culprit.
asciilifeform: punkman: later i created a mechanism to measure only consumption from within the process proper, but i did not have time to turn this into a plot.
punkman: asciilifeform: why the sharp dropoff in that picture?
asciilifeform: btw there are misleading figures circulating re: 'size of the mempool today is 5MB' etc.
asciilifeform: for all the good it did, re: pogo...
asciilifeform: at one time there was a '3' - glibc-free, static, rom-burnable bitcoind. but we have it now.
asciilifeform: i put an obscene and prolly unjustifiable amount of sweat into narrowing down the causes of the misery to 1 and 2.
asciilifeform: (and then some)
asciilifeform: ('2' shows the behaviour of a deterministically-syncing (from disk: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html -- (!!!) node. the block index grows linearly, ~300 byte per block.) this is entirely undigestible on a pogo.
asciilifeform: 2) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/rss_d1746f76523316edcdc82326213f8953bf6f0d09.png
asciilifeform: realize that nobody but us (and the quasi-mythical 'smart miners') are running full nodes now.
mircea_popescu: at least part of the shitgnome objective ("make it impossible for random derp to run full node") will succeed within less than a year, if not actually successful enough already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most dire flaw, per my current understanding, is that the thing is loathe to discard a peer
asciilifeform: yes, nominally the thing is a p2p gadget, this oughta work, no? but in reality, yer cooking with gutter oil
mircea_popescu: the net.
asciilifeform: how long have you sat there ?
mircea_popescu: just like back in the day.
mircea_popescu: etc, the works.
mircea_popescu: i just managed to reproduce the wedge AGAIN
TomServo: All this ETH talk, I felt I should mention the waterfall had run dry: http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'll be something like the film 'memento'
mircea_popescu foresees great cinematic drama, "the brainwallet". where guy gets shot in head, has to recoup his brainwallet.
asciilifeform: (sorta like the old 'swag' for pascal !)
mircea_popescu: "according to bitbet, ethereum has two degrees of magnitude better odds at surviving 2015 than gavin's scamcoin."
mircea_popescu: same time frame, same substantial dispute (altcoin pretending importance). the gavin/hearn idiots have trouble going past 3:100 against them ; ethereum is so far 3:1 or some shit.
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 22.83 B (29%) on Yes, 55.6 B (71%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 94`816 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.91 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 91`180 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )
mircea_popescu: very instructive comparison, https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ vs https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/
mircea_popescu: curious if this means a further 60 btc on no, now.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 12.31075552 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b17
mircea_popescu: then again, no velocity was ever a scalar either, doesn't prevent cars from displaying odometers.
mircea_popescu: these shits, do not.
asciilifeform: possibly this sounds batshit, but it could explain why the 'early adopt' folks were so eager to part with their coin in return for a song and a promise
mircea_popescu: there's a difference, a major difference at work here.
asciilifeform given that we had the thread re: 'market depths' today, cannot help but wonder whether a fella with, e.g., 10,000 btc in those times did ~not~ actually see himself as in possession of 40,000 usd
mircea_popescu: at the time bitcoin was ~4 usd.
asciilifeform: but isn't this because a sandwich cost 100,000 btc at the time?
mircea_popescu: eh, at the time we're discussing nobody in bitcoin had enough money for a spare sandwich.
asciilifeform: but do we know whether this was the lion's share of his pocket, or just pocket lint ?
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, being the reason why nobody uses linode to this day.
mircea_popescu: eh. tell you what, 4 years ago, when most of the current "experts" didn't know how to spell the name, the guy was hit by the first targetted attack, alongside some others.
asciilifeform: but is he cured in any sense, or just removed from the opportunity to commit atrocities at the given moment ?
asciilifeform: as i understood, a negrate is a kind of radioactive tomb, a warning to others
asciilifeform: as in, what is the logic above
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: comment on the relative merits of -10 vs 'unrate'
mircea_popescu: sad that in 2015 you still gotta teach old hands sense with the hot poker.
assbot: You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit.
asciilifeform: 'I saw a huge steam roller, / It blotted out the sun. / The people all lay down, lay down; / They did not try to run. / ... ...' - k. vonnegut
asciilifeform: hey it sure beats seeing them from inside !
mircea_popescu: dude, this is so cool, getting to see the 50s first hand from atop a mountain of prime veal and home made black forest ...
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 18:45:27; ascii_field: the canonical 'two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner'
asciilifeform: 'the history you didn't know' (tm)
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mircea_popescu: "In fact it's embarrassing, because everyone who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you." <<< so ? the flailing is amusing.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 23:47:31; assbot: The Truth Behind AbbyBitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtsgPp )
punkman: it looked more like a cunt from that other angle
mircea_popescu: i thought alf was the anal afficcionado
mircea_popescu: wait, old holland's banned in the us ?!
mircea_popescu: that's the place for questions.
mircea_popescu: you like questions and shit, fix the fucking legal system.
mircea_popescu: a dysfunctional legal system makes suicide bombing a necessity. you don't like that, fix the fucking legal system.
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPSzb53U8AEd4rD.png "I'm not "phobic" of all of Islam, just the several hundred million Muslims who think "suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified.""
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punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/chris-the-overgrown-australian-sheep-breaks-unofficial-world-record-following-shearing-10483977.html
pete_dushenski: for a node network n00b, i found the aforejizzed quote quite interesting
pete_dushenski: copypasta from that txt there
pete_dushenski: x makes a new connection, its address propagates in the
pete_dushenski: ally flood the entire network. Whenever an existing node
pete_dushenski: relay messages containing the node’s IP address eventu-
pete_dushenski: purge all information about what addresses their neigh-
pete_dushenski: the neighbors don’t already have this address. Nodes
pete_dushenski: updating any timestamps), as long as the node believes
pete_dushenski: random and relay the same ADDR information (without
pete_dushenski: response or a new connection, they choose two peers at
pete_dushenski: tamp set to the current local time. Nodes keep state about
pete_dushenski: randomly chosen peer, containing only x with the times-
asciilifeform: ne who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you. Since CS research is quite competitive, evolution has its way, and relevance goes the way of the snake's legs.'
asciilifeform: '... Whatever their tactics, what CS bureaucrats always sacrifice is relevance. Of course everyone has a conscience, and everyone would like to be actually relevant. But, especially when the only people checking up are your own godfathers in the funding agencies, it's much easier to pretend to be relevant. Actual relevance is extremely difficult to achieve, and hardly rewarding at all. In fact it's embarrassing, because everyo
asciilifeform: (from the mega-classic http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html )
asciilifeform: st, by turning it into a form of mathematics. Math outcompetes creative programming in the funding process, simply because it appears to be more rigorous. It is more rigorous, and it generates a longer, deeper river of more impressive publications. And, because its area is nominally applied, it doesn't have to compete with the real mathematicians over in "algorithms," who would clean the bureaucrats' clocks in five minutes.'
asciilifeform: as for why this general thing, see mr mold: 'The CS-research bureaucrat's main difficulty is that no one wants to fund bureaucrats. Therefore, he must pretend to be either a creative programmer or a mathematician, preferably both. Since this task is critical to his survival, he is extremely good at it. The bureaucrat has many strategies. But probably his best is to take an area of creative programming and devour it like a locu
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 23:00:00; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279708 <<< was it not something like protoshares then bit X and proto X and about 5 other incarnations prior to it being bitshares?