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cazalla: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net?qcLocale=en_US is basically what a post at the top of /r/bitcoin gets you.. front page of the interwebs my ass
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9yNHd )
cazalla: damn them chicken wings were good.. 24 hours in a tub of soy and yellow box honey then smoked with mesquite.. i am snake full of chickun wingz
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Federal Reserve will raise federal funds rate October FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1201/federal-reserve-will-raise-federal-funds-rate-october/#b1
mircea_popescu: Quantified Directly Measured Data 42,348 US rank (quantcast) ; Global Rank 1,096,708 (down 546,035) Rank in United States 419,214 (alexa)
mircea_popescu: clearly there is something to these measures.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73941 @ 0.00074929 = 55.4033 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00074847 = 19.1983 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00074858 = 48.3957 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52452 @ 0.00074797 = 39.2325 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70866 @ 0.00075442 = 53.4627 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3182 @ 0.00076016 = 2.4188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00074898 = 14.6051 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Julian Bream - Granada - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDHAmJ )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 16.00000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b11
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00074801 = 26.1055 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: dat eth bet
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 10.04 B (19%) on Yes, 43.35 B (81%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 95`867 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7368 @ 0.00074797 = 5.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49432 @ 0.00076082 = 37.6089 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26956 @ 0.00074771 = 20.1553 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29964 @ 0.00074728 = 22.3915 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00074695 = 3.2119 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00075267 = 8.6933 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: That ETH bet is moving up awfully fast for a bet that only started with 1 BTC
mircea_popescu: 4:1 to go down 80% in a quarter.
mircea_popescu: kinda soft, imo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00075242 = 28.4791 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering how long it will stay 4:1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.0007479 = 45.1732 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40326 @ 0.00074615 = 30.0892 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4428 @ 0.00075362 = 3.337 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7716 @ 0.00074555 = 5.7527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00074555 = 9.3939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27549 @ 0.0007451 = 20.5268 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16937 @ 0.00074493 = 12.6169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13190 @ 0.00074471 = 9.8227 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00074463 = 9.494 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00074791 = 8.1522 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:42:57; mircea_popescu: in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not.
assbot: Supersonic breakthrough: Concorde could fly again within four years | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol4oEv )
mircea_popescu: "The organisation hopes to buy the Concorde currently on display at Le Bourget airport in Paris. If it is successful, the plane will be restored before resuming operation as a private heritage aircraft that will be flown at air displays as well as being available for charter. "
mircea_popescu: lol fuyll cargo cult.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28242 @ 0.00074463 = 21.0298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33547 @ 0.00074454 = 24.9771 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa < mno. what another lie to a liar?
kakobrekla: whats*
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 02:46:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278952 << is this meant as some kind of improvement on good ol' yacc ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00074514 = 6.52 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00074665 = 22.3995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00074782 = 24.1546 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10320 @ 0.00075066 = 7.7468 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78500 @ 0.00074268 = 58.3004 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11637 @ 0.00074776 = 8.7017 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37895 @ 0.00074194 = 28.1158 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6033 @ 0.00074171 = 4.4747 BTC [-]
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: Improved Digital Certificate Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1F85D78 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82448 @ 0.00074067 = 61.0668 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: "During our ongoing discussions with Symantec we determined that the issuance occurred during a Symantec-internal testing process." hah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16639 @ 0.00074009 = 12.3144 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: Trump: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. "
assbot: Scrap cash altogether, says Bank of England’s chief economist - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoxA7B )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00075066 = 15.4636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00074775 = 30.583 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00074775 = 27.4424 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00075064 = 45.2636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00075124 = 10.1042 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00075064 = 23.4575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74916 @ 0.00075158 = 56.3054 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18040 @ 0.00074942 = 13.5195 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0007412 = 5.8555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00074004 = 31.8217 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00073923 = 66.7525 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36046 @ 0.00073918 = 26.6445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00073906 = 29.3776 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00073859 = 7.2013 BTC [-] {4}
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279296 << me too! I visited a false church on the outskirts of Waco for their harvest festival, and they were telling me that Bush sometimes attended / was seen "praying" at the main musical event
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 03:13:14; trinque: I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00074313 = 26.7898 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00073785 = 13.3182 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:17:59; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPJyQFLUsAA1f2q.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279471 << yeah, because that's the point of government, to try and prevent people doing what they want to do.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. "
mircea_popescu: government by the aliens, for the aliens, with these people.
punkman: mircea_popescu: japanese parliament iirc
mircea_popescu: someone gotta explain to me on what basis the (mistaken, btw) proposition that "the UK" exists, or has a government or anything is even supposed to rest.
mircea_popescu: we might as well discuss the heavenly host. purely imaginary nonsense with no practical bearing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51012 @ 0.00074052 = 37.7754 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6828 @ 0.00075037 = 5.1235 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: vbuterinEthereum - Vitalik Buterin thehighfiveghostEthereum - George Hallam Blue-ChainEthereum - Ken Kappler avsaEthereum - Alex van de Sande crypto_jesusEthereum - Konstantin Kudryavtsev frozemanEthereum - Fabian Vogelsteller
mircea_popescu: justincase.
assbot: Ethercoin (ETC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1YnVVDP )
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00362294 * 15000
gribble: 54.3441
mircea_popescu: it actually dropped 50% in two weeks.
punkman: ethercoin is an altcoin, not ethereum
assbot: Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )
mircea_popescu: (the other one is around 0.001 last it traded, which is August)
mircea_popescu: this one STARTED in august, and it's gonna be 0 by november or whatever.
punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale"
punkman: oic
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe there's 40 btc on its survival.
mircea_popescu: https://www.ethereum.org/ << impressive they crossed out "safe". unimpressive they omit to mention "ethereum is blablabla JUST LIKE RIPPLE" and "its perspectives are nil, JUST LIKE RIPPLE'S WERE".
assbot: Ethereum Frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1YnX7aw )
mircea_popescu: "Social business founded to open up the world of how things are made"
mircea_popescu: really this thing should be preserved for future derps.
mircea_popescu: somehow.
mircea_popescu: the problem of making future derps digest history is un fucking solvable already.
mircea_popescu: like getting malnourished african children to eat beef jerky.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: "The foundation is currently in the phase of restructuring its communications activities. Several members of our current communications team in London are soon leaving or reducing their involvement in the Foundation in order to pursue for-profit ventures on top of the Ethereum ecosystem; we wish them the best of luck. And so, we have both the necessity and a unique opportunity to “reboot” that side of the organizat
mircea_popescu: ion and take another look at how the Ethereum foundation interacts with the community.
mircea_popescu: As some initial steps, we are going to do the following:
mircea_popescu: We will make an effort to de-emphasize Skype, and emphasize Gitter as a means of real-time communication for developers. Gitter has the advantages that (i) it’s easier to quickly jump in and participate,"
mircea_popescu: "We will continue our general direction of increasing permissiveness that we began with our recent changes to branding guidelines, and emphasis on maintaining norms of common sense and civility over strict rules. We are not following in the footsteps of /r/bitcoin‘s theymos. Discussion of EthereumXT (I suppose the closest equivalent we have is Expanse, with its 10x higher gas limit) is NOT banned.
mircea_popescu: We will de-emphasize the “ETH DEV” brand (with the exception of “DEVcon”) and focus attention on “Ethereum” going forward"
mircea_popescu: a) all the wrong fucking choices ; b) they actually believe this shit has some sort of meaning. god help me, "the eth dev brand" ? how the fuck is it a brand.
mircea_popescu: they actually sit around and pretend like this shit's a thing. i have so much trouble processing this...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00075242 = 20.6916 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: from fb : Ethereum September 7 at 8:02am · Executive Director Ming Chan (@mingchan88) posts on Ethereum's new updated branding guidelines https://www.reddit.com/…/…/new_ethereum_branding_guidelines/
assbot: Microsoft has developed its own Linux. Repeat. Microsoft has developed its own Linux • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUfJz )
mircea_popescu: srsly ? "executive director" ? branding guidelines ?
mircea_popescu: what the everloving treefortfuck!
mircea_popescu: shinohai nah, it's ok, ubuntu was there first.
shinohai: When you create your own money, you also get to make up a job title! How cool is dat?
mircea_popescu: very cool.
mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3143/is-there-a-way-to-send-all-ether-from-one-address-to-another << considering this is the most read/commented item on the thing's forum, and also the only one to get any comments / more than 5 views, and also the principal item in "protocol discussion" (a heading made to differentiate from NON TECHNICAL discussions)
assbot: Is there a way to send all Ether from one address to another? - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUtQX )
mircea_popescu: all i wanna know is what the fuck broken parenscript they use.
mircea_popescu: eth.sendTransaction({from:eth.accounts[1], to:eth.accounts[2], value:eth.getBalance(eth.accounts[0])-eth.gasPrice*21000, gas:21000})
mircea_popescu: Unlock account
mircea_popescu: Passphrase:
mircea_popescu: Negative value
mircea_popescu: at InvalidResponse (:-81076:-133)
mircea_popescu: at send (:-154580:-133)
mircea_popescu: at sendTransaction (:-131712:-133)
mircea_popescu: it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00073687 = 30.4696 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ?
assbot: Can't compile a contract - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yo0bU1 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, it seems like this thing aims to be ~ urbit. made by people of the same exact ilk ("got some usg payola") but who understand EVEN LESS of computing.
shinohai: I'm still rofl from the guy who sent all his coin to a contract the other day and now can't recover it.
mircea_popescu: so they're not even at discussing jets and immutability yet. so far we're doing "branding imperatives" and "How to call Serpent function from JAVA SCRIPT (including encoding of function arguments)"
mircea_popescu: mindboggling what the population of excel-educated project managers in obscure office space will do with their time if you let them loose.
mircea_popescu: i simply had no fucking idea, i imagined they'd go ineptly hit on girls or something. eat many cakes.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i'd be actually surprised if anyone managed to use this thing as intended to date.
mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously.
assbot: Mist preview discussion thread - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUW5v )
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. that was entertaining. thanks whoever threw away 10k on bitbet, for the morning lulz.
mircea_popescu: "Taylor Gerring @TaylorGerring · Sep 17 Taylor Gerring retweeted Vitalik Buterin The benefit of #Ethereum being defined by a spec, not an implementation "
mircea_popescu: o god almighty.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem.
shinohai: I decided not to bet on that one, I mean there are people that *still* believe in paycon despite Garza being what he was.
mircea_popescu: obviously. i'm sure there's somewhere some people secretly waiting for neobee "brick and mortar stores" to come out of hiding.
assbot: Paycoin (PYC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioVkRu )
mircea_popescu: 20 dollars guarantee!!11
shinohai: LOL at that mc now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00073617 = 19.6925 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: In that vein, TradeFortress is sure to give me back the coin I lost in coinlenders too.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279559 << i don't see any traces of lisp in this atrocity
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:41:47; mircea_popescu: it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json
mircea_popescu: im still puzzled as to why all the eth derps imagine they're competing with bitcoin, quoting all sorts of bitcoin news etc, when it's quite clear they're trying to eat the ever shrinking ripple pie.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:46:16; mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it suddenly makes sense when you realize that they are not competing with bitcoin, but with 'bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: but that'd be dogecoin
asciilifeform: as in, the thing usg universities, 'ngo' complex, etc. finance.
asciilifeform: nah dogecoin is the u.s. dept. of reddit's version.
mircea_popescu: technologically urbit, managerially dogecoin, practically ripple.
asciilifeform: these are (hard as it may be to believe) separate ministries
mircea_popescu: and within not so long, the only people left standing will have a very strong "opentransactions" flavour to it
mircea_popescu: (which is pure necrodearia style insanity-on-a-stick, for the people who haven
mircea_popescu: 't been watching the show back in 2012ish)
asciilifeform: the other thing is, i was briefly astonished at how broken the thing is, but then remembered an old mircea_popescu lemma which leads to 'it must necessarily be broken' - i haven't the link handy, but this was an article where 'usg dare not safely use a working bitcoin or even similar item, because it will begin to warp around it'
mircea_popescu: there's very faint traces of usg in all of this.
shinohai: meanwhile, thank you asciilifeform for giving us a bitcoind that isn't a horribly bloated p.o.s.
mircea_popescu: mostly because warm soup at maryland, but that's limited.
asciilifeform: shinohai: l0l it wasn't just my doing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the soup at md was poured by nsf (a good $2M worth iirc, straight from the crown)
asciilifeform: and that's merely the first parcel.
mircea_popescu: 2mn is not enough to take a piss.
asciilifeform: it is an appetizer. pays for two profs and a stable of arsewipes
mircea_popescu: yes, but the stable gets $20 a head.
asciilifeform: one of these days i'ma walk over to their sweatshop & count'em
asciilifeform: (yes, presently anybody can just waltz in)
mircea_popescu: or send pet.
mircea_popescu: she can pretend she's wymyn in tech, interested in ethereum for glory.
mircea_popescu: see what happens
mircea_popescu: (i do this sort of thing ALLLLL the time.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073611 = 7.2139 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279498 << i never quite understood why this has not happened yet in usa
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:16:03; assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. "
asciilifeform: popular explanations range from 'nah they can't ban it, with what will we pay the mexican strawberry pickers' to 'it will come any day now'
mircea_popescu: us cash is banned anyway.
mircea_popescu: think for a second : your largest bill is worth ~80 euros.
mircea_popescu: the eu still has 500 euro bills, which are about as useful as argentine 100 pesos.
mircea_popescu: for a functioning cash economy you'd need 10k bills.
mircea_popescu: stuff with two digits should be reminted as coins.
asciilifeform: this will come.
asciilifeform: as per zimbabwe.
mircea_popescu: "no inflation for a century" ==> "time to cut two zeros off the currency"
asciilifeform: as the ruble, under hruschev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00073494 = 16.9404 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: back to u.s. cash, i suspect that it remains a thing at least partly due to ease of extrajudicial confiscation
mircea_popescu: nobody that you know paid in cash for a house or even a car. think about that. what cash ?
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago you COULD NOT buy a house in romania other than for cash. no matter what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, if you are so much as seen publicly with a bag of cash big enough for a car (much less a house) - immediate jail, unless you have an alibi
mircea_popescu: so then what "will".
asciilifeform: and if you ~do~ have a 'good reason', you might still be dekulakized
mircea_popescu: it's banned.
asciilifeform: ah the 'will' is per 'shave two zeros'
mircea_popescu: the only incentive to do that is the loss of face over having to print wider bills to accomodate the increase in digits.
mircea_popescu: as the us is not printing new bills, the incentive is not present.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also suspect that one of the drivers of usg interest in demented pseudo-bitcoin contraptions ('permissioned blockchain technology!') is that these folks dream of a hybrid bulldog-rhinoceros, 'best of both', where usg can electronically steal everything you have, but without any bureaucratic snags - it will look precisely like a voluntary donation, from a mathematical standpoint
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone thinks this far ahead.
mircea_popescu: so far it's more like a "pack of wild dogs invaded your living room ? quick, drop some squaky toys on the floor!11"
mircea_popescu: "we'll figure it out later..."
mircea_popescu: so since i'm now looking at the table of "crypto currencies", as if that's a thing now (hey, why not you know, alternate centers of gravity - why not!!1), here's a table :
mircea_popescu: #Name"MKT CAP"unit priceM3Trade volumeChange
mircea_popescu: 1 Bitcoin $ 3,380,982,278 $ 231.09 14,630,650 BTC $ 14,104,800 -1.02 %
mircea_popescu: 2 Ripple $ 242,349,655 $ 0.007460 32,488,247,336 XRP $ 614,620 -0.87 %
mircea_popescu: 3 Litecoin $ 121,542,198 $ 2.87 42,357,610 LTC $ 811,946 -3.64 %
mircea_popescu: 4 Ethereum $ 61,476,700 $ 0.838699 73,300,075 ETH $ 426,907 -1.99 %
mircea_popescu: 5 BitShares $ 14,993,647 $ 0.005969 2,511,953,117 BTS $ 468,786 12.20 %
mircea_popescu: someone fucking explain to me what is the MEANING of "quarter billion mkt cap" over half a million trade volume.
mircea_popescu: in what sense does this make sense ? you don't even need to have finance experience to notice this nonsense.
asciilifeform: idk, how does 3B with 14M volume make sense ?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside "what the fuck is bitshares" etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't.
asciilifeform: no shit
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'
asciilifeform: there is this.
asciilifeform: but also, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, 'market cap' is a pseudoscientific measure to begin with.
mircea_popescu: General Motors Company (GM). volume : 17,957,300 (3 mo avg) , 1.58 Bn outstanding.
asciilifeform: it is possible that, e.g., 'market cap' for rembrandt canvases is $3B but this year's trading volume is $0
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is pushing it with its 0.005. but this 0.001 bs...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "possible" in what alt-universe ?
asciilifeform: if none had changed hands ?
asciilifeform: in the time period under consideration
mircea_popescu: dividing the mkt cap by the mkt volume roughly yields the "empty hopes" factor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00074329 = 24.6029 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why would that be the case, the less liquid a market is the more hope driven it is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to sum up : mkt cap / mkt volume factors. bitcoin 0.004171805 ; ripple 0.002536088 ; ltc 0.006680363 ; 0.006944208 ; "bitshares" 0.031265642 ; general motors, 0.01136538
mircea_popescu: or if you don't like gm, apple is 59,026,600/5.70 bn = 0.010355544
asciilifeform: how about physical gold ?
mircea_popescu: that's too cooked.
asciilifeform: suspected as much
mircea_popescu: but if you'd prefer minerals, how about shell. 1,583,440 / 3.16bn = 0.000501089
pete_dushenski: jpm : 16,534,400 / 3.70 bn = 0.00446875675676
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54158 @ 0.00073959 = 40.0547 BTC [-] {5}
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279569 << was augur fussing about bitbet ? i musta missed this and just figured they'd pretend like bb/mpex were never invented
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:50:33; mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously.
mircea_popescu: anyway, berkshire's 297/811760 = 0.000365872, better example in that vein
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:54:39; mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:51:38; mircea_popescu: because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven.
mircea_popescu: wait, i call scamminigans.
mircea_popescu: i was discussing women and blowjobs wasn't i.
pete_dushenski: my guess is bois thought that gender equality meant that they could be enthusiastic too
assbot: Is this a dream? : BitShares ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXOzmC )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they could! IF THEY WERE SUCKING COCK.
mircea_popescu: o wait. they also think wrinkly old usgfag qualifies huh.
pete_dushenski: discrimination
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 12.10078888 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b13
mircea_popescu: anyway, "bitshares" turns out to be yet another bitbet-killer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45595 @ 0.00074465 = 33.9523 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder that shit site's still around.
mircea_popescu: "BTS's consensus algorithm is DPOS, which is roughly that stakeholders vote on a relatively small set of block validators (~100). All stakeholders care about is "sufficient" decentralization - block validators are quick to replace. These validators can be high-performance servers."
mircea_popescu: "I read about interest on bitAssets. Tell me more!
mircea_popescu: If you tumbled over the term interest, you probably read an outdated posted. Sorry to tell you but there is no interest on your bitUSD ... for legal reasons ... thus the community decided to call it a yield :-). That yield is payed out every time you transfer bitUSD (that are older than 24h). This effectively is an interest, but has an other name. Check out the our info graphic about is:"
pete_dushenski: i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it
pete_dushenski: it was 2013's Great New Thing
pete_dushenski: 'ground floor' kinda stuff
mircea_popescu: dude that eth bet's a killer lol
pete_dushenski: tip o' the cap to whoever drafted it up
pete_dushenski: 'etc' notwithstanding
mircea_popescu: i suspect it was a deliberate jab
mircea_popescu: etc is an actual eth thing.
pete_dushenski: what's the relation between eth and etc ?
pete_dushenski: "Ethercoins are redeemable for Ether on a 1:1 basis."
pete_dushenski: "Please Note: We are in no way affiliated with the Official Ethereum project."
pete_dushenski: ^from ethercoin website
mircea_popescu: also above in log.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:26:49; punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale"
pete_dushenski: still makes no goddam sense but w/e
pete_dushenski: "President Barack Obama nominated Eric Fanning to become the next secretary of the Army, the White House said, paving the way for the first openly gay leader of a military service branch in U.S. history."
assbot: Arcadia-based company under investigation, councilman’s connections under scrutiny ... ( http://bit.ly/1WaoX7X )
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: the company ? which the guy called "a major breakthrough in finance" ?
mircea_popescu: i thought azn ppl were supposed to be throwing the curve.
mircea_popescu: "Former heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson has joined forces with a cryptocurrency firm to bring bitcoin ATMs to Las Vegas. The deal with Conexus and Bitcoin Direct is believed to be the first celebrity partnership in the bitcoin industry."
mircea_popescu: awww, twinklefenton's gonna be butt-hurt ? again
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXQffY )
pete_dushenski: there are probably a raft of 'polimedia' links on loper that do the same.
mircea_popescu: old chan thing that meanwhilke died.
mircea_popescu: hahahaha australia, that shithole where canaries are illegal ? lmao.
assbot: If Primecoin becomes international transferring instrument, the price versus USD will potentially hit 1,000! : primecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Waptmp )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00075242 = 5.2669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00075242 = 8.2014 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "CoinTelegraph Media Group is the largest international cryptocurrency-related marketing and advertising agency in the world. Our Ad opportunities provide our clients with wide-reaching penetration into the cryptocurrency-oriented community."
mircea_popescu: !up crescendo
mircea_popescu: and in retrospective lulz, murdoch paid 5bn for dow jones in 2008. last summer ft sold (to nikkei) for 1.change bn.
mircea_popescu: the only question being wtf were the japs thinking.
mircea_popescu: it does maybe 20mn profit over half bn revenue. which half bn revenue dropped 80% over the decade and will drop 90% over the next decade.
pete_dushenski: japs were thinking 'not my bezzlars, don't care where they come from or where they're going, just that they're active rather than passive'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76549 @ 0.00075305 = 57.6452 BTC [+] {4}
pete_dushenski: "General Motors admitted wrongdoing and will pay a $900-million penalty, but will avoid federal prosecution for its mishandling of an ignition-switch defect in some of its older cars." << even 'chosen ones' have to pay their tithes/baksheesh.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ivananucar.jpg << the competition for 'best troll name' intensifies. this, from a local car dealer.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 << "Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive."
assbot: Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDt8Gj )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "Many economists believe that balance sheet losses are irrelevant for a central bank, so they should play no role in policy."
mircea_popescu: ahjahahaha
pete_dushenski: this is precisely what i mean by 'economists' of which noah smith is a prime example
pete_dushenski: 'many economist believe that inflation doesn't erode your savings'
pete_dushenski: sure, why not.
pete_dushenski: it's the most meaningless source in the universe for a journalist to cite
pete_dushenski: how many 'economists' exist ? tens of thousands ?
pete_dushenski: so 100 of them is 'many'
mircea_popescu: clearly they're shopping for many economists the same place gavin did
mircea_popescu: which may or may not be related to the toilet.
pete_dushenski: at walmart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104950 @ 0.00075475 = 79.211 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: Operating Partner, DFJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiUU9z )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00075223 = 28.4343 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: roizen is actually one of those actual women in, well, not tech, but anyway.
ben_vulpes pours out a drink for the memory of trinque in town
ben_vulpes: good morning, assett
ben_vulpes: assets*
mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
mircea_popescu: aka, graham's yahoo advertising ponzi scheme.
ben_vulpes: this is relevant to a question i've been mulling of late. say a new client shows up at my door, and i like their shit so much i want to buy a chunk of it. how would i navigate both owning a chunk of the new company and also my consulting company that would be building large swathes of the product? seems a bit ethically and incentive-alignmently fraught.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35962 @ 0.0007542 = 27.1225 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: the only problem with it is that it's a profession, and you don't have a clue how it works.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00075612 = 15.1224 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00075149 = 5.7113 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski off for a haircut and some exercise (fear not, the jewfro will survive)
ben_vulpes doesn't understand anything about how the world works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00075683 = 6.1629 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00075683 = 9.1955 BTC [+]
assbot: The Perl Jam: Exploiting a 20 Year-old Vulnerability [31c3] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp8Obx )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00075377 = 20.9548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00074793 = 42.7068 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform opens crate, says to pet, 'wanna learn some galois theory?' -- pet: 'not unless it will teach me how to die with honour in duel !'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54027 @ 0.00073781 = 39.8617 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279776 << this is about a tv series, 'silicon valley', which is a merciless parody of the whole idiot culture and actually worth seeing
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 17:06:23; mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
mircea_popescu: im writing it up as we speak.
asciilifeform barely watches film at all these days, but saw all of 'silicon..', at the instigation of phriendz, and l0lled
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00073334 = 7.3701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00073704 = 11.5428 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema article i been working for the past coupla hours now stands at 7.5k words
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00074621 = 2.5983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00073852 = 18.2045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00073658 = 30.9364 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00073594 = 14.5348 BTC [-] {2}
ag3nt_zer0: happy saturday all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00073374 = 17.6098 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Indoctrinate U - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gBi9A4 )
ag3nt_zer0: "An investigation of how political correctness has impinged on freedom of speech and intellectual diversity on college campuses."
shinohai: o/ ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph5LdzBE1V4 if anyones interested I like watching this kid fight
assbot: Ben Shapiro on indoctrination of America's youth in universities - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmafJz )
ag3nt_zer0: yo shinohai, how goes it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87641 @ 0.00073348 = 64.2829 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00073326 = 24.0143 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Another Government Shutdown Looms At The End Of The Month : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmbmJl )
shinohai: not bad ag3nt_zer0 having a glass or 8 of wine and you?
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: just watching that indoctrinate U movie haha
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279578 <<< nah, that's the first paycoin, this is garza's paycoin (was also first! ignore the 2 in the url) http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin2/ still, may as well be $1000
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 15:00:17; mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin/ << $ 1,343 MARKET CAP!!11
assbot: PayCoin (XPY) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmbSqL )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00073322 = 29.952 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20122 @ 0.0007331 = 14.7514 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Trilema] You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. - http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31354 @ 0.00074518 = 23.3644 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00074133 = 30.9876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074559 = 19.3853 BTC [+]
assbot: need someone familiar with finite field arithmetic to write whitepaper ... ( http://bit.ly/1FmZEv1 )
shinohai: tl;dr I don't know this shit but it is critical to get people to adopt my scamcoin. SO help plox, thx bye.
mircea_popescu: prolly tring to do rijndael something or the other
shinohai: btw excellent trilema post mircea_popescu. I don't have the greatest understanding of such things but that certainly makes sense.
mircea_popescu: *thumbsup*
shinohai: It's easy to see in comparison why most new ventures fail nowadays.
pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras
assbot: Searching for the "grey market" foods of New York City — Hopes&Fears — flow "Food" ... ( http://bit.ly/1YpbhIn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.00074624 = 29.2153 BTC [+] {2}
phf: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/amazon-tablet-casio-calculator/ << "the pricey calculator" section about new casio s100, which costs $220, about as much ebay hp-16c, but otherwise is a piece of shit
shinohai: Tablets are shit too, imho phf
phf: that goes without saying
phf: i wouldn't have posted otherwise, but for the recent calculator discussions. all the talk about "limited edition retro appeal" in stark contrast to b-a considerations
shinohai: b-a has the brightest minds in bitcoin finance, yet I never hear anyone here hawking the latest hardware.
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/7EgfHNf.jpg <<<dem shoulders though :/
mircea_popescu: they just did. casio ftw!
mircea_popescu: shit, i want two.
shinohai: To all reading the b-a logs: I wish to compile a list of realbitcoin nodes so if you have one I can list feel free to ping.
mircea_popescu: which do you have so far ?
shinohai: I got ascii's I think and danielpbarron 's
shinohai: I don't necessarily have to make them public, just wanted to put them somewhere so I could connect if need be.
phf: asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00073936 = 12.754 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: shinohai 188.68.240.159 is also on
phf: never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless.
shinohai: thx will add that, need to write a simple script that can show which are on/off etc
phf: if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279839 << i thought betel was banned in usa? or was that khat ?
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 21:56:32; pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00074574 = 26.8839 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279842 << lulzy. for comparison, i picked up a (turned out, virginal (!!!)) ti-92plus for 25 usd.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:12:54; phf: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/amazon-tablet-casio-calculator/ << "the pricey calculator" section about new casio s100, which costs $220, about as much ebay hp-16c, but otherwise is a piece of shit
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:40:54; phf: if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279859 << ever got mlton or smlnj, or mosml, to build glibc-less binaries ?
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:33:17; phf: never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless.
asciilifeform: (standalone ones. i will not use the threaded code ones for anything)
asciilifeform: static or nada.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:32:40; phf: asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees.
phf: i think it's actually called region-based memory management
phf: also no re glibc-less binaries
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279839 << i just came out of a shop near dc, it sold that same mimolette (as far as naked eye could tell)
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 21:56:32; pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras
phf: presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking"
phf: *didn't
phf: have you already dropped ocaml from your evaluation based on that article you posted couple of days ago?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279708 <<< was it not something like protoshares then bit X and proto X and about 5 other incarnations prior to it being bitshares?
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 15:58:44; pete_dushenski: i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21027 @ 0.00074622 = 15.6908 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279827 <<< this was a great sunday morning read
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 20:52:53; deedbot-: [Trilema] You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. - http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:57:48; phf: have you already dropped ocaml from your evaluation based on that article you posted couple of days ago?
cazalla: http://www.jewocity.com/blog/13-female-footballers-removed-from-federation-internationale-de-football-association-16-following-ncaa-warning/71799 "Athletes are paid in ‘an education, ‘ the only currency more hard to spend than bitcoin”, Oliver joked"
assbot: 13 female footballers removed from Federation Internationale de Football Association 16 following NCAA warning | Jewocity.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjkJGB )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279879 << actually as far as i can tell it is ~worse~. the 'small binaries' are bytecode-compiled that runs SLOW AS FUCK ~and~ REQUIRED RUNTIME INSTALLED
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:55:01; phf: presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking"
asciilifeform: the 'large binaries' are a 200kB helloworld ~and~ dynamically link libc.
asciilifeform: and what the fuck do people smoke that makes them release a compiler without tree shaking?
asciilifeform: what do we need the dead code for ???
asciilifeform: i just don't get it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35450 @ 0.00074862 = 26.5386 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19887 @ 0.00073781 = 14.6728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00074078 = 27.2607 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00074312 = 26.5294 BTC [+]
assbot: The Truth Behind AbbyBitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtsgPp )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279882 << 'protoshares' rings a bell, now that you mention it.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 23:00:00; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279708 <<< was it not something like protoshares then bit X and proto X and about 5 other incarnations prior to it being bitshares?
assbot: London Photographer Embarks on Bitcoin-Only Challenge ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ktsjuz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26906 @ 0.00074312 = 19.9944 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 23:47:30; cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMQxhBN-gUk lol
pete_dushenski: !s abbybitcoin
assbot: 0 results for 'abbybitcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abbybitcoin
pete_dushenski: figured as much
assbot: Publications - IC3: Initiative for CryptoCurrencies and Contracts ... ( http://bit.ly/1F8Lo9p )
pete_dushenski: with hot new titles such as "Nonoutsourceable Scratch-Off Puzzles to Discourage Bitcoin Mining Coalitions."
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this one's not entirely rotten. see logs.
asciilifeform: (not the specific paper, aha, but the concept)
asciilifeform: !s nonoutsourceable
assbot: 0 results for 'nonoutsourceable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nonoutsourceable
asciilifeform: !s non-outsourceable
assbot: 4 results for 'non-outsourceable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=non-outsourceable
pete_dushenski: oh hey, nifty
pete_dushenski: but i still need something to mock !
asciilifeform: as for why this general thing, see mr mold: 'The CS-research bureaucrat's main difficulty is that no one wants to fund bureaucrats. Therefore, he must pretend to be either a creative programmer or a mathematician, preferably both. Since this task is critical to his survival, he is extremely good at it. The bureaucrat has many strategies. But probably his best is to take an area of creative programming and devour it like a locu
asciilifeform: st, by turning it into a form of mathematics. Math outcompetes creative programming in the funding process, simply because it appears to be more rigorous. It is more rigorous, and it generates a longer, deeper river of more impressive publications. And, because its area is nominally applied, it doesn't have to compete with the real mathematicians over in "algorithms," who would clean the bureaucrats' clocks in five minutes.'
pete_dushenski: "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." << should do the trick :)
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: What's wrong with CS research ... ( http://bit.ly/1F8LwFV )
asciilifeform: '... Whatever their tactics, what CS bureaucrats always sacrifice is relevance. Of course everyone has a conscience, and everyone would like to be actually relevant. But, especially when the only people checking up are your own godfathers in the funding agencies, it's much easier to pretend to be relevant. Actual relevance is extremely difficult to achieve, and hardly rewarding at all. In fact it's embarrassing, because everyo
asciilifeform: ne who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you. Since CS research is quite competitive, evolution has its way, and relevance goes the way of the snake's legs.'
asciilifeform recommends whole thing
pete_dushenski: "Finally, we note that a node can send unsolicited ADDR
pete_dushenski: messages in two cases: first, upon receiving an incoming
pete_dushenski: connection from n, a node x sends an ADDR message, to a
pete_dushenski: randomly chosen peer, containing only x with the times-
pete_dushenski: tamp set to the current local time. Nodes keep state about
pete_dushenski: which addresses their neighbors know of (because they
pete_dushenski: receivedl sent information about these nodes from/to their
pete_dushenski: neighbor). When nodes receive a ADDR messages with
pete_dushenski: fewer than 10 entries, either as the result of a GETADDR
pete_dushenski: response or a new connection, they choose two peers at
pete_dushenski: random and relay the same ADDR information (without
pete_dushenski: updating any timestamps), as long as the node believes
pete_dushenski: the neighbors don’t already have this address. Nodes
pete_dushenski: purge all information about what addresses their neigh-
pete_dushenski: bors know every twenty-four hours. Thus when a node
pete_dushenski: with a hitherto unknown address joins the network, the
pete_dushenski: relay messages containing the node’s IP address eventu-
pete_dushenski: ally flood the entire network. Whenever an existing node
pete_dushenski: x makes a new connection, its address propagates in the
pete_dushenski: network; how far depends on how many nodes already
pete_dushenski: knew about x. Finally, a node will update addrMan upon
pete_dushenski: receiving an ADDR message with a newer timestamp for
pete_dushenski: an address. The two-hour aging penalty is applied to the
pete_dushenski: new timestamp learned."
cazalla: l2dpaste
asciilifeform: didja key that in on a telegraph or what
pete_dushenski: copypasta from that txt there
pete_dushenski: for a node network n00b, i found the aforejizzed quote quite interesting
punkman: that was patched in newer phoundation versions, should still work for realbtc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.0007425 = 46.5548 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski off to dinner. laters !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45607 @ 0.0007429 = 33.8814 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87079 @ 0.00074632 = 64.9888 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115947 @ 0.00075379 = 87.3997 BTC [+] {5}
asciilifeform: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
assbot: Lost sheep with overgrown coat found and shaved, yields enough wool to make 30 sweaters - Australasia - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHoesJ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82936 @ 0.00073519 = 60.9737 BTC [-]
punkman: for chrome users: http://a/%%30%30
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86050 @ 0.00075553 = 65.0134 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPSzb53U8AEd4rD.png "I'm not "phobic" of all of Islam, just the several hundred million Muslims who think "suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified.""
punkman: gotta wonder how "justified" translates to all those languages
punkman: or "I wonder what a survey of Jews and Christians would show re: justification of drone bombings."
mircea_popescu: i think suicide bombing not only can be but actually is perfectly justified.
mircea_popescu: what are you gonna do, pleabargain ?
punkman: aha
mircea_popescu: a dysfunctional legal system makes suicide bombing a necessity. you don't like that, fix the fucking legal system.
punkman: there is the question of who you suicidebomb though
mircea_popescu: no there isn't. that's the thing with suicide bombing : no more questions.
mircea_popescu: you like questions and shit, fix the fucking legal system.
mircea_popescu: that's the place for questions.
mircea_popescu: wait, old holland's banned in the us ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25904 @ 0.00075683 = 19.6049 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: for mp's castle ^
mircea_popescu: i thought alf was the anal afficcionado
punkman: it looked more like a cunt from that other angle
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 23:47:31; assbot: The Truth Behind AbbyBitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtsgPp )
mircea_popescu: "In fact it's embarrassing, because everyone who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you." <<< so ? the flailing is amusing.
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 01:59:36; punkman: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5006/5296624387_c98a68ff69_b.jpg same in wintertime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 375276 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1715 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 38 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37830 @ 0.00073476 = 27.796 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65970 @ 0.0007328 = 48.3428 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Xiaoxing Xi isn't a Chinese spy after all | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHsLLJ )
assbot: I used to work in the same research field as Xi. A very nice guy, did some very ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHsNn4 )
asciilifeform: l0l, ulbricht
asciilifeform: 'the history you didn't know' (tm)
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 18:45:27; ascii_field: the canonical 'two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87533 @ 0.00073809 = 64.6072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00074366 = 24.8382 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha fucktarded gestapo is iliterate so xi ended up with a giant step forward sorta deal ?
mircea_popescu: dude, this is so cool, getting to see the 50s first hand from atop a mountain of prime veal and home made black forest ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77550 @ 0.00075306 = 58.3998 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: i couldn't have it better if i planned it.
asciilifeform: hey it sure beats seeing them from inside !
asciilifeform: (inside the firebrick, with the gas on, where else)
mircea_popescu toasts for this.
asciilifeform: 'I saw a huge steam roller, / It blotted out the sun. / The people all lay down, lay down; / They did not try to run. / ... ...' - k. vonnegut
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00075727 = 14.3881 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em.
mircea_popescu: !rated slush
assbot: You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit.
mircea_popescu: !unrate slush
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/af7e9ebcf40eb27e
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.slush:c6ff2578e04e5100530f440a0ddf17701e43e87010b7eee8128b2c43deaf5233
assbot: Successfully unrated slush
mircea_popescu: sad that in 2015 you still gotta teach old hands sense with the hot poker.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: comment on the relative merits of -10 vs 'unrate'
asciilifeform: as in, what is the logic above
asciilifeform: (when does it make sense to unrate a fuckwit, vs keep -10)
asciilifeform: as i understood, a negrate is a kind of radioactive tomb, a warning to others
mircea_popescu: well, they stopped with the "bip 101" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the guy's toxic, just, acts the imbecile on occasion.
asciilifeform: but is he cured in any sense, or just removed from the opportunity to commit atrocities at the given moment ?
mircea_popescu: eh. tell you what, 4 years ago, when most of the current "experts" didn't know how to spell the name, the guy was hit by the first targetted attack, alongside some others.
mircea_popescu: guy at linode ran off with ~5k bitcoin or so. never prosecuted, slush covered out of pocket.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, being the reason why nobody uses linode to this day.
asciilifeform: but do we know whether this was the lion's share of his pocket, or just pocket lint ?
mircea_popescu: eh, at the time we're discussing nobody in bitcoin had enough money for a spare sandwich.
mircea_popescu: top tier ~= enthusiasts with a spare basement.
asciilifeform: but isn't this because a sandwich cost 100,000 btc at the time?
mircea_popescu: at the time bitcoin was ~4 usd.
mircea_popescu: so if memory serves he lost like 3.x k worth 10-20k or so.
mircea_popescu: whichy, as he said then and i believed then, set him back a few months of dayjob.
asciilifeform given that we had the thread re: 'market depths' today, cannot help but wonder whether a fella with, e.g., 10,000 btc in those times did ~not~ actually see himself as in possession of 40,000 usd
mircea_popescu: there's a difference, a major difference at work here.
asciilifeform: possibly this sounds batshit, but it could explain why the 'early adopt' folks were so eager to part with their coin in return for a song and a promise
mircea_popescu: stuff like ripple or ether is in the 0.05 range because NOBODY WISHES TO BUY.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is in that range because nobody wishes to sell.
mircea_popescu: huge fucking difference.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has a history coming up from 1 cent.
mircea_popescu: these shits, do not.
asciilifeform: but whenever someone seems willing to mass-sell, it tanks ?
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that treating price as a scalar is loony
asciilifeform: it isn't a scalar.
mircea_popescu: whenever "someone" aims to engineer faux sell pressure, "someone" gets raped.
asciilifeform: more of a tensor.
mircea_popescu: no price was ever a scalar.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99000 @ 0.00073809 = 73.0709 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: then again, no velocity was ever a scalar either, doesn't prevent cars from displaying odometers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94850 @ 0.00073556 = 69.7679 BTC [-] {5}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 12.31075552 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b17
mircea_popescu: curious if this means a further 60 btc on no, now.
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.91 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 91`180 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 22.83 B (29%) on Yes, 55.6 B (71%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 94`816 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
mircea_popescu: same time frame, same substantial dispute (altcoin pretending importance). the gavin/hearn idiots have trouble going past 3:100 against them ; ethereum is so far 3:1 or some shit.
mircea_popescu: "according to bitbet, ethereum has two degrees of magnitude better odds at surviving 2015 than gavin's scamcoin."
mircea_popescu: "a total of ~200 bitcoins were locked up for ~3 months to provide this determination"
mircea_popescu: and wait - not even same timeframe o.O
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233950 @ 0.00073183 = 171.2116 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21207 @ 0.00073102 = 15.5027 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61193 @ 0.00073097 = 44.7302 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: actually the topic of how to compare these two props is kinda interesting.
asciilifeform: (sorta like the old 'swag' for pascal !)
mircea_popescu: how goes TomServo
TomServo: Good! Relieved to know I'm still a person after having to refer to a backup.
asciilifeform: TomServo: bullet whistled by, took off your hat ?
TomServo: Almost as dramatic.
mircea_popescu foresees great cinematic drama, "the brainwallet". where guy gets shot in head, has to recoup his brainwallet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'll be something like the film 'memento'
mircea_popescu: mebbe so
asciilifeform: i can picture it.
mircea_popescu: maybe like "beautiful mind" only with better conflict.
TomServo: All this ETH talk, I felt I should mention the waterfall had run dry: http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00074635 = 36.5712 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: TomServo: for all we know, it just split into parcels
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you wedged at 367850 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170750 @ 0.00073226 = 125.0334 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i just managed to reproduce the wedge AGAIN
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